Does the Wii U still have the best console lineup?

Yes, they are some of the worst exclusives, up there with Ryse: Son of Rome and The Order: 1886.

Everything else is pretty good though. Super Mario 3D World, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, and Pikmin 3 are some of the best games out in awhile.

Because I'm not making a point, I'm asking a question.

And outside of arguably Kirby and Mario Party, which games are crappy, exactly?

Not for me, only 2 Nintendo IP's i do care about is Zelda and Metroid and WiiU still got nothing of that...yes i dont count remakes/ports of old games.

I'll never buy a Wii U if Bayonetta 2 gets ported. Only game i'm interested in WiiU :P

Zelda? Xenoblade? Splatoon? Smash?

@charizard1605: it's how it works. Regarding exclusives isn't MK8 the highest selling exclusive this gen?

Yeah. All the highest selling ones are either Wii U or 3DS exclusives actually.

Its one of the top selling games on a single console period. I think only a couple have sold more this gen.

In exclusives, yeah. I still think Nintendo's exclusives bring me more joy than any other platform's (or hell, all of them combined).

Still though, due to lacking multiplats, and multiplats being the biggest part of each year's lineup of games, I'm gonna vote no.

Aside from pc, im inclined to agree.

The wii u has been my favorite console thus far this gen.

The problem with the multiplat argument is that it doesn't take into consideration that most of those titles are also available on PS3 and 360. I wish that 3rd party support for the Wii U would have kept up (playing me3 on it right now.) but I really think if you're looking for a gen 8 console and already have a 7 gen console the Wii U makes the most sense.

Yes it does

As bad as EA, Ubi, Bethesda might seem - as far as their business practices - they actually do make many of the best original games.

EA for instance, published Lollipop Chainsaw, Shadows of the Damned, Syndicate, The Saboteur, Mirror's Edge, Dead Space, Alice: Madness Returns, Brutal Legend among others last gen. That's before we get into the "franchises" they created like Dragon Age or Mass Effect. There's definitely some under-appreciated games in there. They weren't just about Battlefield and sports - and I personally don't have a problem with Battlefield or sports - I play every Battlefield, am loving the new Star Wars: Battlefront... and every once in awhile I'll even throw in a sports game (though I haven't bought one this gen yet).

Now it doesn't seem like EA (or major publishers in general) are creating many NEW franchises this gen - but then again... neither does Nintendo. Nintendo pretty much rehashes 2D Donkey Kong. Rehashed "NEW" Super Mario Bros Wii into a Wii-U version. Rehashed the 3DS Mario Land to make a Wii-U iteration. Remastered a bunch of N64 games for 3DS. Remastered a couple of older Zelda games for Wii-U. Now they are making a half-assed looking Star Fox game. Nintendo fanboys accuse other developers of doing 'annual franchises', and then list a bunch of unoriginal Mario games LOL that release annually. I still love Mario and Nintendo, but to me there is as much franchise fatigue here as there are in other areas of gaming.

So much willful ignorance. And a poor argument, nonetheless.

For my tastes it's no contest right now. The Wii U has the best library. Of the 7 standout games i've played this gen, 6 are exclusive to Wii U. These games bost high polish, smart design, quality gameplay, and incredible longevity. However, it looks like my PS4 will really start fighting back next year.

Well we are starting to see multiplats not appear on PS3/360 anymore (Witcher III, Mad Max, Star Wars Battlefront, Mortal Kombat X, Assassin's Creed Syndicate, etc), - or in case of Black Ops III it is a gimped version. I pretty much swore off of playing multiplats on my PS3/360 in about 2013. I think many of the ones that weren't "gimped", weren't optimized as well as they used to be (with developers instead trying to focus on the PS4/Xb1 iteration).

The PS3/360 at this point should basically not be used to play multiplats IMO - unless it was a multiplat only between PS3/360. I actually got rid of my 360, but I still have my PS3/Wii to clean up a bunch of exclusives.

So a better argument is to post a list from wikipedia that lists Infamous First Light as an exclusive?

Using that list, listing actual exclusives not available on other systems, or remakes of older games I come up with the following:

Killzone

Knack

Resogun

Infamous

Basement Crawl

Driveclub

The Order

Bloodborne

Godzilla

N++

DIsgaea 5

But sure...that lineup is better the Wii U's exclusive lineup /s

Nintendo fans dont accuse others of rehashing games even though they rehash them the worst. At least Nintendo changes the gameplay up and makes it fresh. Even their remasters get major changes. We defend our games when people try to claim all Nintendo does is Mario games. We dont care that in just 6 years we have had bout 6 Souls games. Nor do we care we get a rehash Nintendo game every gen. We love them so called rehashed games.

Xenoblade perhaps. Zelda too maybe. Then again i've never played these games before, so no idea if i'll like em or not :)

@VERTIGO47:

Yeah it's better. But it's not like there isn't complete vomit in that list either.

@indzman: Considering the kinds of games you like, I can guarantee you'd like Xenoblade and Zelda.

Mario Kart 8's attach rate is crazy. Like 6 million sales on a console with 11 million sold. Saying Nintendo's exclusives don't sell is completely fucked.

@charizard1605: I dont know if i would say the wiiu had the "best" console lineup, but it does have 5ish 9-10/10 games (imo).

Its a boutique, niche system. For long time Nintendo fans looking for some of that Nintendo magic, its worth the price of admission. For everyone else, the twins have superior games lineups.

Doesn't matter what you like, their hardware is suffering because they aren't delivering 95% of the games released in a given year. I wouldn't care if the WiiU had many must have games, but it doesn't.

And what a sad list that is indeed. Barely any of them can go against Halo 5 or Mario 3D World. I don't know what AMAZING PS4 EXCLUSIVE they're playing but the rest of us would like access to their TARDIS please, thanks.

Definitely some games there I'd love to play... wish I could pick up a Wii U really cheap somewhere. They're still quite expensive here :(

Sweet :)

@indzman: Throw me a PM some time

Considering that I prefer games with an actual story, no not to me.

@nethernova:

I love stories too, very relaxing.

Sure :)

Well, if I'm putting together a list of consoles with the best library, it does matter what I like. In fact, that is the only thing that matters.

yes if you like nintendos games.

if i didnt have a current gaming console (and no PC, for the sake of discussion) and was looking to get one then the wiiu wouldnt even be on my radar.

however if i did have one and was looking for a second then the wiiu is a dam fine choice......if you like nintendo games.

As someone who just bought a Wii U because of the exclusives, I can attest to this. The console itself is extremely impractical everything from the underutilized tablet controller which for the majority of games is just there to mirror what is on the large TV screen in front of you (really, the console is just a glorified tethered handheld as I've played almost exclusively from the tablet since I've bought it) to a minuscule HDD that can barely hold any digital content.

Nintendo tells us they focus primarily on video games which seems why the Wii U (and even 3DS) is fairly limited in what it can do beyond playing games. People not buying this system is a referendum on the quality of the games. A large percentage of people do not find these games appeal to warrant a console purchase.

If you own a PC... Nintendo is the only console you need to get. IF you do not own a PC the WiiU lineup falls short, and you will be missing out on quite a few nice titles.

According to my current gen library? Yes. PS4 is catching up while XB1 is still far behind.

Yep, the hardware is just very poorly thought out. The games on it are great in spite of the hardware, not because of it.

I also think this whole "if you like Nintendo games" argument is BS

There's a huge variety of games up there.

You have racers, fighters, rpgs, platformers, puzzle games, adventure games, beat em ups, strategy games, party games and shooters all represented yet they're all put under the umbrella of "Nintendo games". What a crock of shit

Yeah, EA puts out the occasional good game, but they haven't done that this gen, and they didn't do it in the last few years of last gen, either. In the end, it comes down to personal preference. Sure, Nintendo milks their franchises, but they really don't do that within each system's lifetime. For instance, the Wii only had 2 Zelda games, 1 Donkey Kong game, 1 3D Metroid, 1 2D Mario, 2 3D Marios, etc. Ubisoft made 7 main entry Assassin's Creed games on last gen consoles. Frequency matters a great deal when it comes to milking. Nobody called for Rockstar to stop making GTA when GTA 5 came out. When AC 2 came out, I would have said Nintendo gamers are missing a great deal by not having that series on their console. Now I don't feel like they are missing anything at all by not getting Unity and Syndicate. They already have Black Flag and they already have 1 or 2 CODs. All they are missing are the annual reiterations of the same game.

Again, I agree that occasionally a terrific third party comes along that Nintendo only gamers miss out on. I just don't think they come along any more frequently than terrific 1st party Nintendo games. I think you miss out on just as much by not owning a Nintendo console as you do by only owning one. Ideally, you would own a second console or PC to go along with the Nintendo console, though.

I never thought it had the best line up, which is why I don't own one. It does have the best exclusives.

I just picked up a Wii U a couple weeks ago, I need more to play.

Exclusives yes overall no

Agreed. People making excuses not to give these games a chance. Who cares what character is in the game when it's got stellar gameplay and tons of hours of fun? Mario kart could be Turd kart with each kart being driven by a different kind of poop and it would still be amazing.

People putting drive club as a essential game on the PS4.... LAWLZ.

In terms of exclusives? Absolutely. Nintendo's first party is so much better than everyone else's at this point that the comparison is laughable.

Overall? No. This year moved it over the top. Not having MGSV, Rocket League, Ori and the Blind Forest, Halo 5, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Bloodbourne, The Witcher 3, etc has hurt it.

I don't have time nor the desire to make his argument for him. Providing the list was an opportunity for him to indicate why he disagrees. Instead, I got "PS4 has nothing this year, indies aren't real games, and not exclusive because it's on PC." I have better things to do with my time than spend it running the same race.

Make a comparative list eliminating remakes/re-releases/remasters from both X1 and Wii U and then compare and then another that includes them. And if you want to, go ahead and include BC games. Then another list that includes "console" and "timed" exclusives. And do we begin to debate whether PC technically has all the games thanks to piracy/streaming? This merry-go-round analysis just goes around and around and around. The question becomes so convoluted based on establishing the measuring criteria that it's not worth the time investment it takes to push against the boulder that is anonymous internet person X when his argument relies on disqualifying games rather than measuring them on their own merits (which then is likely to devolve into "didn't play X, don't have to to know it's shit.").

If there is a genuine desire to discuss games themselves rather than go through the same ritual of measuring each console's dick size, I'll meaningfully entertain it. Otherwise, the response provided was warranted.

Yep, by far, especially for my personal taste. My two favorite types of games to play are party games to play with friends and platformers, and the Wii U excels at those two types of games more than any other console since the N64. I absolutely love the Wii U's library of games.