[QUOTE="locopatho"] Perhaps eventually :)locopatho
No "perhaps" about it, you know the games are comming. Why would you wear a Link avatar if you didn't have faith in Nintendo? It's their first HD console. Am a little unsure how that'll affect their time, quantity and quality. It'll prob be worth getting sooner or later but I think it's very premature to be slotting it in next to PS4 is all :)I understand that the PS4 has had a ton of positive hype, but nothing concrete has been released about the system as of yet. PS4 might also put up a pay wall for used games and online multiplayer and be in the same situation as X1 is now, for all we know.
my copy of persona 4 (PS2) arrived literally 3 hours ago. so that's one game that i'd have never played if my PS3 model wasn't old enough to have backwards compatibility.BrunoBRS
I fully agree with MS on this one TBH Each company would have to include extra drives, parts etc to make new consoles backwards compatible, hence pushing up the prices. Everyone wants it due to the PS2 having it which was a fortunate accident with the infrastructure being so similar Sooner or later, people are going to have to deal with the fact that new consoles wont be backwards compatable in terms of physical copies
[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]my copy of persona 4 (PS2) arrived literally 3 hours ago. so that's one game that i'd have never played if my PS3 model wasn't old enough to have backwards compatibility.Bigboi500
Well you're in for a real treat. i assume so, half the reason i got it was interest in the game (generated by 999 of all games lol), the other half was peer pressure from just about every person that played the game :P
[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]No "perhaps" about it, you know the games are comming. Why would you wear a Link avatar if you didn't have faith in Nintendo?
Bigboi500
It's their first HD console. Am a little unsure how that'll affect their time, quantity and quality. It'll prob be worth getting sooner or later but I think it's very premature to be slotting it in next to PS4 is all :)I understand that the PS4 has had a ton of positive hype, but nothing concrete has been released about the system as of yet. PS4 might also put up a pay wall for used games and online multiplayer and be in the same situation as X1 is now, for all we know. My impression is it doesn't have those things. If it does, chuck it on the heap with Xbawks One. (god it's gonna be annoying to try and refer to 2001 Xbox from now on...)
[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]No "perhaps" about it, you know the games are comming. Why would you wear a Link avatar if you didn't have faith in Nintendo?
Bigboi500
It's their first HD console. Am a little unsure how that'll affect their time, quantity and quality. It'll prob be worth getting sooner or later but I think it's very premature to be slotting it in next to PS4 is all :)I understand that the PS4 has had a ton of positive hype, but nothing concrete has been released about the system as of yet. PS4 might also put up a pay wall for used games and online multiplayer and be in the same situation as X1 is now, for all we know. well but here's the thing, the features sony announced for the PS4 were mostly centered on games, and sony actually showed games (and not just yearly releases being glorified as a surprise), whereas microsoft spent 90% of the show ignoring the fact that xbox was originally intended to play games.
[QUOTE="locopatho"] It's their first HD console. Am a little unsure how that'll affect their time, quantity and quality. It'll prob be worth getting sooner or later but I think it's very premature to be slotting it in next to PS4 is all :)locopatho
I understand that the PS4 has had a ton of positive hype, but nothing concrete has been released about the system as of yet. PS4 might also put up a pay wall for used games and online multiplayer and be in the same situation as X1 is now, for all we know. My impression is it doesn't have those things. If it does, chuck it on the heap with Xbawks One. (god it's gonna be annoying to try and refer to 2001 Xbox from now on...) call it the Xbone. laugh every time you say it. it'll soothe the pain.
[QUOTE="locopatho"] It's their first HD console. Am a little unsure how that'll affect their time, quantity and quality. It'll prob be worth getting sooner or later but I think it's very premature to be slotting it in next to PS4 is all :)BrunoBRS
I understand that the PS4 has had a ton of positive hype, but nothing concrete has been released about the system as of yet. PS4 might also put up a pay wall for used games and online multiplayer and be in the same situation as X1 is now, for all we know. well but here's the thing, the features sony announced for the PS4 were mostly centered on games, and sony actually showed games (and not just yearly releases being glorified as a surprise), whereas microsoft spent 90% of the show ignoring the fact that xbox was originally intended to play games.So very true. No doubt about it, PS4 certainly has the edge on X1 in teh games. I'll be heart-broken if Sony decides to charge for online, though.
[QUOTE="locopatho"] It's their first HD console. Am a little unsure how that'll affect their time, quantity and quality. It'll prob be worth getting sooner or later but I think it's very premature to be slotting it in next to PS4 is all :)locopatho
I understand that the PS4 has had a ton of positive hype, but nothing concrete has been released about the system as of yet. PS4 might also put up a pay wall for used games and online multiplayer and be in the same situation as X1 is now, for all we know. My impression is it doesn't have those things. If it does, chuck it on the heap with Xbawks One. (god it's gonna be annoying to try and refer to 2001 Xbox from now on...) Sony have said there is something there in the form of a used games block on the consoles but its going to be the publishers choice And I dont think PSN pricing has been spoken about
[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]I understand that the PS4 has had a ton of positive hype, but nothing concrete has been released about the system as of yet. PS4 might also put up a pay wall for used games and online multiplayer and be in the same situation as X1 is now, for all we know.BrunoBRS
My impression is it doesn't have those things. If it does, chuck it on the heap with Xbawks One. (god it's gonna be annoying to try and refer to 2001 Xbox from now on...) call it the Xbone. laugh every time you say it. it'll soothe the pain. Haha Xbone. Brilliant. Well as some have said, at least MS are giving us a hell of a lot of entertainment :D
These console makers need to stop changing the architecture in their consoles every generation. seriously, backwards compatibility is now more important than ever before with the introduction of digital distribution.
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I know people like to argue and say "keep your old console", I don't want my games only tied to the original console. Want to know why? Because the original console will eventually break. To me, not including BC makes console games disposable because those games will basically only last as long as the original console itself lasts. Sorry, but if consoles continue not being backwards compatible then console gaming deserves to die...
[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]Thank you Nintendo for BC, it's a shame that your Wii U doesn't have any games atm to reason a purchase. zeroyaoi
It's not as bad as some are making it out to be. It's got a lot of games coming out soon too. Oh I know :) But I have so many games I need to save up for this year. Buying any of theses consoles are not on my priority list. But seriously, Nintendo proves they are the most consumer friendly in the market.
[QUOTE="zeroyaoi"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"]Thank you Nintendo for BC, it's a shame that your Wii U doesn't have any games atm to reason a purchase. bbkkristian
It's not as bad as some are making it out to be. It's got a lot of games coming out soon too. Oh I know :) But I have so many games I need to save up for this year. Buying any of theses consoles are not on my priority list. But seriously, Nintendo proves they are the most consumer friendly in the market. Sony are more so I think. Nintendo have that dumb "account locked to console" thing, region locked hardware, and issues with localising games and worldwide releases.
In previous gens not a big deal because i didnt have a huge backlog, or a bunch of xbox live arcade games. But going into this next gen, all this is gonna do is prevent me from buying a next gen console until i finish the games i already have.
[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="zeroyaoi"] It's not as bad as some are making it out to be. It's got a lot of games coming out soon too.locopatho
Oh I know :) But I have so many games I need to save up for this year. Buying any of theses consoles are not on my priority list. But seriously, Nintendo proves they are the most consumer friendly in the market. Sony are more so I think. Nintendo have that dumb "account locked to console" thing, region locked hardware, and issues with localising games and worldwide releases.That is dumb. They say it'll change later on, but it remains to be seen. Sony and their restrictions on DD games isn't much better though, they limit usage of a game you've bought digitally to just two Vitas and/or three PS3 systems.
[QUOTE="locopatho"] It's their first HD console. Am a little unsure how that'll affect their time, quantity and quality. It'll prob be worth getting sooner or later but I think it's very premature to be slotting it in next to PS4 is all :)BrunoBRS
I understand that the PS4 has had a ton of positive hype, but nothing concrete has been released about the system as of yet. PS4 might also put up a pay wall for used games and online multiplayer and be in the same situation as X1 is now, for all we know. well but here's the thing, the features sony announced for the PS4 were mostly centered on games, and sony actually showed games (and not just yearly releases being glorified as a surprise), whereas microsoft spent 90% of the show ignoring the fact that xbox was originally intended to play games.
Microsoft's event also took place 3 weeks prior to E3; not 4 months.
[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"] Oh I know :) But I have so many games I need to save up for this year. Buying any of theses consoles are not on my priority list. But seriously, Nintendo proves they are the most consumer friendly in the market.Bigboi500
Sony are more so I think. Nintendo have that dumb "account locked to console" thing, region locked hardware, and issues with localising games and worldwide releases.That is dumb. They say it'll change later on, but it remains to be seen. Sony and their restrictions on DD games isn't much better though, they limit usage of a game you've bought digitally to just two Vitas and/or three PS3 systems. That's pretty good to me. Peace of mind knowing you won't lose anything if your console breaks/gets robbed
[QUOTE="locopatho"] Sony are more so I think. Nintendo have that dumb "account locked to console" thing, region locked hardware, and issues with localising games and worldwide releases.locopatho
That is dumb. They say it'll change later on, but it remains to be seen. Sony and their restrictions on DD games isn't much better though, they limit usage of a game you've bought digitally to just two Vitas and/or three PS3 systems. That's pretty good to me. Peace of mind knowing you won't lose anything if your console breaks/gets robbed Still trying to get over the fact that the ps4 does not have BC, that's why I rank Ninty higher.
[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]I understand that the PS4 has had a ton of positive hype, but nothing concrete has been released about the system as of yet. PS4 might also put up a pay wall for used games and online multiplayer and be in the same situation as X1 is now, for all we know.
Ly_the_Fairy
well but here's the thing, the features sony announced for the PS4 were mostly centered on games, and sony actually showed games (and not just yearly releases being glorified as a surprise), whereas microsoft spent 90% of the show ignoring the fact that xbox was originally intended to play games.
Microsoft's event also took place 3 weeks prior to E3; not 4 months.
You shouldn't write them off yet.
going by what MS has shown us in 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012, i wouldn't hold my breath.
[QUOTE="RR360DD"]The Xbox mini rumour working with the new Xbox to offer BC may come true. Theres exciting Xbox 360 news around the corner apparently :Pzeroyaoi
Great! pay over $100 to get access to all your previous games. Nintendo is the only one thinking straight.You'd have to pay more to have x1 play 360 games natively anyway.... Having the people who want that feature paying extra is preferable to forcing everyone to. Or they could be a slave to old architecture that directly affects new games like Nintendo did with wii and wii-u....
[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]That is dumb. They say it'll change later on, but it remains to be seen. Sony and their restrictions on DD games isn't much better though, they limit usage of a game you've bought digitally to just two Vitas and/or three PS3 systems.bbkkristian
That's pretty good to me. Peace of mind knowing you won't lose anything if your console breaks/gets robbed Still trying to get over the fact that the ps4 does not have BC, that's why I rank Ninty higher. Eh BC is nice but I think new games have the priority. That operation rainfall crap is annouying. Plus I STILL haven't played Trauma Team. Gonna have to move to goddam America to play it :P
[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] well but here's the thing, the features sony announced for the PS4 were mostly centered on games, and sony actually showed games (and not just yearly releases being glorified as a surprise), whereas microsoft spent 90% of the show ignoring the fact that xbox was originally intended to play games.BrunoBRS
Microsoft's event also took place 3 weeks prior to E3; not 4 months.
You shouldn't write them off yet.
going by what MS has shown us in 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012, i wouldn't hold my breath. Well they do have 15 exclusives in the first year. That sounds at least interesting. They set up some studios in the past years that haven't made anything yet (no not even Kinect games). So E3 could have some surprises.
MS is deserving of this punchbag treatment for the lack of communication and some seemingly foolish mistakes. Things aren't looking good at the moment, but I'm sure things will look a lot better once more of these 15 1st year exclusives are shown off. I wont support console that has used games fees though.
Microsoft's event also took place 3 weeks prior to E3; not 4 months.
You shouldn't write them off yet.
locopatho
going by what MS has shown us in 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012, i wouldn't hold my breath. Well they do have 15 exclusives in the first year. That sounds at least interesting. They set up some studios in the past years that haven't made anything yet (no not even Kinect games). So E3 could have some surprises.It does not matter what they show in e3. With everything wrong going on with the way they are managing the system it not worth the hoop jumps. Play on the xbone is like eating cake while someone drills a hole in your head without giving you pain killers.
MS is deserving of this punchbag treatment for the lack of communication and some seemingly foolish mistakes. Things aren't looking good at the moment, but I'm sure things will look a lot better once more of these 15 1st year exclusives are shown off. I wont support console that has used games fees though.
I don't think many people will support it. They're gonna have to be pretty damn amazing exclusives to win over anyone who's not a die hard fanboy of the Xbox
[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] going by what MS has shown us in 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012, i wouldn't hold my breath. Well they do have 15 exclusives in the first year. That sounds at least interesting. They set up some studios in the past years that haven't made anything yet (no not even Kinect games). So E3 could have some surprises.It does not matter what they show in e3. With everything wrong going on with the way they are managing the system it not worth the hoop jumps. Play on the xbone is like eating cake while someone drills a whole in your head without giving you pain killers. O agree it's not enough to make the console appealing. But I'm not gonna completely write them off yet either.
He's just telling the truth. I doubt there's MS engineers in here, it's probably too much work and not worth it. The 360 did have BC and I don't know anyone who uses it.
Not being BC is not a huge deal. But the way Mattrick answered was plain lulz worthy. Now please someone help me with this one. Is it really the One architecture so different from the 360 that they couldn't make it BC? Like the PS4? Or they just said: **** it, don't want it so #dealwithit?
He's just telling the truth. I doubt there's MS engineers in here, it's probably too much work and not worth it. The 360 did have BC and I don't know anyone who uses it. LustForSoul
At launch plenty of people did. It just that the first xbox did not have that many games for it. When the ps2 came out it had bc and that lasted because of the library the ps1 had. The 360 has the same quality library as the ps1 in comparison. BC is a tool of transition. It get people to want to get a new system with out compromising. Why get a system that does not have much to play? You play your old games on it while the new games come out later on.
He's just telling the truth. I doubt there's MS engineers in here, it's probably too much work and not worth it. The 360 did have BC and I don't know anyone who uses it. LustForSoul
The 360 had very limited and horribly flawed BC. That's probably why no one used it except when there was no other choice.
It's fine if BC is impracticable, and I don't doubt that it is, but for MS to act like it's unreasonable to even expect BC is shitty.
[QUOTE="Giancar"]Not being BC is not a huge deal. But the way Mattrick answered was plain lulz worthy. Now please someone help me with this one. Is it really the One architecture so different from the 360 that they couldn't make it BC? Like the PS4? Or they just said: **** it, don't want it so #dealwithit? They are money grubbers...What do you think?
[QUOTE="Giancar"]Not being BC is not a huge deal. But the way Mattrick answered was plain lulz worthy. Now please someone help me with this one. Is it really the One architecture so different from the 360 that they couldn't make it BC? Like the PS4? Or they just said: **** it, don't want it so #dealwithit?dreman999
[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Giancar"]Not being BC is not a huge deal. But the way Mattrick answered was plain lulz worthy. Now please someone help me with this one. Is it really the One architecture so different from the 360 that they couldn't make it BC? Like the PS4? Or they just said: **** it, don't want it so #dealwithit? They are money grubbers...What do you think? I am giving the benefit of the doubt. Only after some serious tech analysis I can come to a conclusion for this issue. Like the PS4 not being BC.
Is it really the One architecture so different from the 360 that they couldn't make it BC? Like the PS4? Or they just said: **** it, don't want it so #dealwithit?Giancar
If it costs any resources at all (which it obviously does, as even a "similar" architecture is still a different architecture), they have to weigh the benefits against that. We have no reason to infer that BC could have made sense from a business perspective.
[QUOTE="LustForSoul"]He's just telling the truth. I doubt there's MS engineers in here, it's probably too much work and not worth it. The 360 did have BC and I don't know anyone who uses it. Cherokee_Jack
The 360 had very limited and horribly flawed BC. That's probably why no one used it except when there was no other choice.
It's fine if BC is impracticable, and I don't doubt that it is, but for MS to act like it's unreasonable to even expect BC is shitty.
I actually prefer 360's emulated BC over native bc found in the wii-u. Xbox games operated at a higher resolution(720p) and had AA applied to them on 360. Wii games on wii-u run at 480p and even though it's native it still messes up surround sound for many games. Wii games look like crap on HD sets and because of that dolphin(pc) will remain my go to platform, when I want to revisit wii games.
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