Don't bother with Demons Souls.....

In my opinion, a cheap game is a game that breaks its own rules; one in which the game design takes the control of the challenge away from you (bad camera, obscuring your vision, bad controls); one that gives you no tools to rise to the challenge; or otherwise hinders you from accomplishing what must be acomplished.

Demon's Souls is, generally, not cheap. The combat system is methodical but consistent. There are no missing animations, so you cannot say that an enemy attacked you in a way you could not prepare for. The collision detection, aside from being able to slice and be sliced through prison bars in 3-1, is nigh on perfect. The enemies will surprise you, each type of enemy possess the same combat skills. Yes, it is a surprise when you step on a plate and suddenly arrows shoot down the hall. But if you take a moment and think, you will succeed. Why is there a pressure plate there? Not just for the fun of it, chances are. And you know that player note you ignored? I bet it might have told you something about that!

Activate every blood stain. Read every note. Remember what you have learned. Pay attention to player ghosts. Leave notes for others. Drop your soul mark and join someone else so you can get a lay of the land before conquering it on your own. If you are in human form, invite someone to join you so you can stay fully human as long as possible. These are some of the many tools that Demon's Souls offers to you.

There are a few moments that really are cheap. A ragdoll once knocked me off a suspended walkway in 3-2. The targeting is weird, and I fell to my doom once because of it, and failed a few times to lock on when I needed to most, and the enemy was right in front of me. But this kind of thing does not define the Demon's Souls challenge. I admit it takes a different approach than you might be used to, but I am the first reviewer to call out a game for being cheap. And in my opinion, Demon's Souls is rarely cheap--just tough.

Kevin-V

Too late, already picked up my copy.

Too late, already picked up my copy.

-Oath

At least Demon Soul's wont have day one DLC. They are actually more generous with their bonuses. This game is probably more complete than Dragon Age.

[QUOTE="-Oath"]

Too late, already picked up my copy.

DaViD_99

I preorder Uncharted 2 as well, maybe a couple of months after? :P

Apparently TC didn't believe the 2 dozen reviews in the last month that pointed out exactly what he finds unacceptable. Next time pay more attention and you'll save yourself the cash.

I'm having a blast. Sure, I occasionally want to put the controller through the picture window (donwside to wireless controllers? you can fling them FAR), but then again, I knew what I was getting into. It's the very reason I bought the game.

In my opinion, a cheap game is a game that breaks its own rules; one in which the game design takes the control of the challenge away from you (bad camera, obscuring your vision, bad controls); one that gives you no tools to rise to the challenge; or otherwise hinders you from accomplishing what must be acomplished.

Demon's Souls is, generally, not cheap. The combat system is methodical but consistent. There are no missing animations, so you cannot say that an enemy attacked you in a way you could not prepare for. The collision detection, aside from being able to slice and be sliced through prison bars in 3-1, is nigh on perfect. The enemies will surprise you, each type of enemy possess the same combat skills. Yes, it is a surprise when you step on a plate and suddenly arrows shoot down the hall. But if you take a moment and think, you will succeed. Why is there a pressure plate there? Not just for the fun of it, chances are. And you know that player note you ignored? I bet it might have told you something about that!

Activate every blood stain. Read every note. Remember what you have learned. Pay attention to player ghosts. Leave notes for others. Drop your soul mark and join someone else so you can get a lay of the land before conquering it on your own. If you are in human form, invite someone to join you so you can stay fully human as long as possible. These are some of the many tools that Demon's Souls offers to you.

There are a few moments that really are cheap. A ragdoll once knocked me off a suspended walkway in 3-2. The targeting is weird, and I fell to my doom once because of it, and failed a few times to lock on when I needed to most, and the enemy was right in front of me. But this kind of thing does not define the Demon's Souls challenge. I admit it takes a different approach than you might be used to, but I am the first reviewer to call out a game for being cheap. And in my opinion, Demon's Souls is rarely cheap--just tough.

Kevin-V

*Applauds* Now you see why this guy makes the big bucks. :lol:

Demon's Souls doesn't have EXP - actually play the game instead of making comments based on what random fanboys on the internet are dumping.

Well, with everything I've heard for over a year was it was hard.

So I wouldn't pick a Thief my first run through on such a hard game, who knows.

SolidTy

In my opinion, a cheap game is a game that breaks its own rules; one in which the game design takes the control of the challenge away from you (bad camera, obscuring your vision, bad controls); one that gives you no tools to rise to the challenge; or otherwise hinders you from accomplishing what must be acomplished.

Demon's Souls is, generally, not cheap. The combat system is methodical but consistent. There are no missing animations, so you cannot say that an enemy attacked you in a way you could not prepare for. The collision detection, aside from being able to slice and be sliced through prison bars in 3-1, is nigh on perfect. The enemies will surprise you, each type of enemy possess the same combat skills. Yes, it is a surprise when you step on a plate and suddenly arrows shoot down the hall. But if you take a moment and think, you will succeed. Why is there a pressure plate there? Not just for the fun of it, chances are. And you know that player note you ignored? I bet it might have told you something about that!

Activate every blood stain. Read every note. Remember what you have learned. Pay attention to player ghosts. Leave notes for others. Drop your soul mark and join someone else so you can get a lay of the land before conquering it on your own. If you are in human form, invite someone to join you so you can stay fully human as long as possible. These are some of the many tools that Demon's Souls offers to you.

There are a few moments that really are cheap. A ragdoll once knocked me off a suspended walkway in 3-2. The targeting is weird, and I fell to my doom once because of it, and failed a few times to lock on when I needed to most, and the enemy was right in front of me. But this kind of thing does not define the Demon's Souls challenge. I admit it takes a different approach than you might be used to, but I am the first reviewer to call out a game for being cheap. And in my opinion, Demon's Souls is rarely cheap--just tough.

Kevin-V

In my opinion, a cheap game is a game that breaks its own rules; one in which the game design takes the control of the challenge away from you (bad camera, obscuring your vision, bad controls); one that gives you no tools to rise to the challenge; or otherwise hinders you from accomplishing what must be acomplished.

Demon's Souls is, generally, not cheap. The combat system is methodical but consistent. There are no missing animations, so you cannot say that an enemy attacked you in a way you could not prepare for. The collision detection, aside from being able to slice and be sliced through prison bars in 3-1, is nigh on perfect. The enemies will surprise you, each type of enemy possess the same combat skills. Yes, it is a surprise when you step on a plate and suddenly arrows shoot down the hall. But if you take a moment and think, you will succeed. Why is there a pressure plate there? Not just for the fun of it, chances are. And you know that player note you ignored? I bet it might have told you something about that!

Activate every blood stain. Read every note. Remember what you have learned. Pay attention to player ghosts. Leave notes for others. Drop your soul mark and join someone else so you can get a lay of the land before conquering it on your own. If you are in human form, invite someone to join you so you can stay fully human as long as possible. These are some of the many tools that Demon's Souls offers to you.

There are a few moments that really are cheap. A ragdoll once knocked me off a suspended walkway in 3-2. The targeting is weird, and I fell to my doom once because of it, and failed a few times to lock on when I needed to most, and the enemy was right in front of me. But this kind of thing does not define the Demon's Souls challenge. I admit it takes a different approach than you might be used to, but I am the first reviewer to call out a game for being cheap. And in my opinion, Demon's Souls is rarely cheap--just tough.

Kevin-V

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] Hey jand can you tell me what the Swedish are famous for? Ohh wait I'm cheating.Animal-Mother

DIablo 2 enemies don't respawn when you die, and you don't lose the XP or Gold you got from them if you die either.... did you even play Diablo2?

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]chocolate? neutrality? babes? awesome people? banks?whatisazerg

DIablo 2 enemies don't respawn when you die, and you don't lose the XP or Gold you got from them if you die either.... did you even play Diablo2?

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]chocolate? neutrality? babes? awesome people? banks?whatisazerg

DIablo 2 enemies don't respawn when you die, and you don't lose the XP or Gold you got from them if you die either.... did you even play Diablo2?

Did YOU even play diablo 2? Because the diablo 2 that i played in HELL or nightmare not only you lose your body and items if you die, you lose gold and exp too. The original poster is right actually.

I dont need to remind you how punishing DIABLO was.

How far did you get TC? I was just playing for about 2 hours and beat the first stage(yup, took that long) and i am a theif as well. It was tough at first, but i got the hang of it, plus there are checkpoint type things, whenever you open a gate it will stay open, so that cuts the travel time down a lot when you die.

Scott Tenorman= whatisazerg

Cartman = ATLUS

Homemade chili= Demon's Souls

hehe.. look at ps3 fans defending it... this game is turning ps3 fans to little masochists :P (j/k)

LOL i knew someone would complain on its unforgiving difficulty.. well give it more time i assure you its not that hard.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]chocolate? neutrality? babes? awesome people? banks?whatisazerg

DIablo 2 enemies don't respawn when you die, and you don't lose the XP or Gold you got from them if you die either.... did you even play Diablo2?

I take it you never played Hardcore. :twisted:

[QUOTE="whatisazerg"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] ZOMG the cheating going on in this thread is epic!!!!!!!!!!!! Also TC "Making you kill the same enemies over again, just to get back to where you were b4, is NOT HARD.... it's a waste of time." by this quote I take it you don't like RPG's very much so then or Diablo 2Zoso-8

DIablo 2 enemies don't respawn when you die, and you don't lose the XP or Gold you got from them if you die either.... did you even play Diablo2?

I take it you never played Hardcore. :twisted:

In my opinion, a cheap game is a game that breaks its own rules; one in which the game design takes the control of the challenge away from you (bad camera, obscuring your vision, bad controls); one that gives you no tools to rise to the challenge; or otherwise hinders you from accomplishing what must be acomplished.

Demon's Souls is, generally, not cheap. The combat system is methodical but consistent. There are no missing animations, so you cannot say that an enemy attacked you in a way you could not prepare for. The collision detection, aside from being able to slice and be sliced through prison bars in 3-1, is nigh on perfect. The enemies will surprise you, each type of enemy possess the same combat skills. Yes, it is a surprise when you step on a plate and suddenly arrows shoot down the hall. But if you take a moment and think, you will succeed. Why is there a pressure plate there? Not just for the fun of it, chances are. And you know that player note you ignored? I bet it might have told you something about that!

Activate every blood stain. Read every note. Remember what you have learned. Pay attention to player ghosts. Leave notes for others. Drop your soul mark and join someone else so you can get a lay of the land before conquering it on your own. If you are in human form, invite someone to join you so you can stay fully human as long as possible. These are some of the many tools that Demon's Souls offers to you.

There are a few moments that really are cheap. A ragdoll once knocked me off a suspended walkway in 3-2. The targeting is weird, and I fell to my doom once because of it, and failed a few times to lock on when I needed to most, and the enemy was right in front of me. But this kind of thing does not define the Demon's Souls challenge. I admit it takes a different approach than you might be used to, but I am the first reviewer to call out a game for being cheap. And in my opinion, Demon's Souls is rarely cheap--just tough.

Kevin-V

In my opinion, a cheap game is a game that breaks its own rules; one in which the game design takes the control of the challenge away from you (bad camera, obscuring your vision, bad controls); one that gives you no tools to rise to the challenge; or otherwise hinders you from accomplishing what must be acomplished.

Demon's Souls is, generally, not cheap. The combat system is methodical but consistent. There are no missing animations, so you cannot say that an enemy attacked you in a way you could not prepare for. The collision detection, aside from being able to slice and be sliced through prison bars in 3-1, is nigh on perfect. The enemies will surprise you, each type of enemy possess the same combat skills. Yes, it is a surprise when you step on a plate and suddenly arrows shoot down the hall. But if you take a moment and think, you will succeed. Why is there a pressure plate there? Not just for the fun of it, chances are. And you know that player note you ignored? I bet it might have told you something about that!

Activate every blood stain. Read every note. Remember what you have learned. Pay attention to player ghosts. Leave notes for others. Drop your soul mark and join someone else so you can get a lay of the land before conquering it on your own. If you are in human form, invite someone to join you so you can stay fully human as long as possible. These are some of the many tools that Demon's Souls offers to you.

There are a few moments that really are cheap. A ragdoll once knocked me off a suspended walkway in 3-2. The targeting is weird, and I fell to my doom once because of it, and failed a few times to lock on when I needed to most, and the enemy was right in front of me. But this kind of thing does not define the Demon's Souls challenge. I admit it takes a different approach than you might be used to, but I am the first reviewer to call out a game for being cheap. And in my opinion, Demon's Souls is rarely cheap--just tough.

Kevin-V

In my opinion, a cheap game is a game that breaks its own rules; one in which the game design takes the control of the challenge away from you (bad camera, obscuring your vision, bad controls); one that gives you no tools to rise to the challenge; or otherwise hinders you from accomplishing what must be acomplished.

Demon's Souls is, generally, not cheap. The combat system is methodical but consistent. There are no missing animations, so you cannot say that an enemy attacked you in a way you could not prepare for. The collision detection, aside from being able to slice and be sliced through prison bars in 3-1, is nigh on perfect. The enemies will surprise you, each type of enemy possess the same combat skills. Yes, it is a surprise when you step on a plate and suddenly arrows shoot down the hall. But if you take a moment and think, you will succeed. Why is there a pressure plate there? Not just for the fun of it, chances are. And you know that player note you ignored? I bet it might have told you something about that!

Activate every blood stain. Read every note. Remember what you have learned. Pay attention to player ghosts. Leave notes for others. Drop your soul mark and join someone else so you can get a lay of the land before conquering it on your own. If you are in human form, invite someone to join you so you can stay fully human as long as possible. These are some of the many tools that Demon's Souls offers to you.

There are a few moments that really are cheap. A ragdoll once knocked me off a suspended walkway in 3-2. The targeting is weird, and I fell to my doom once because of it, and failed a few times to lock on when I needed to most, and the enemy was right in front of me. But this kind of thing does not define the Demon's Souls challenge. I admit it takes a different approach than you might be used to, but I am the first reviewer to call out a game for being cheap. And in my opinion, Demon's Souls is rarely cheap--just tough.

Kevin-V

i knew you would score this one right. :P have you already platimun DS?!? this IMO by far the hardest to achieve platinum.

I agree. Ninja Gaiden 2....Rocket launcher ninjas you cant see? Cheap. Makes me want to smash everything in sight. I actually know two people who have snapped Ninja Gaiden disks they were so pissed.h575309

I like it how people just seem to forget ninja gaiden 1 was also plenty cheap. Projectile enimies, rockets, explosive shuriken, double boss fights, enclosed boss fights. I really don't see the difference between the two. Be a better ninja next time with the overpowered Ryu and you won't get owned, if you call that cheap...

[QUOTE="h575309"]I agree. Ninja Gaiden 2....Rocket launcher ninjas you cant see? Cheap. Makes me want to smash everything in sight. I actually know two people who have snapped Ninja Gaiden disks they were so pissed.bad_fur_day

I like it how people just seem to forget ninja gaiden 1 was also plenty cheap. Projectile enimies, rockets, explosive shuriken, double boss fights, enclosed boss fights. I really don't see the difference between the two. Be a better ninja next time with the overpowered Ryu and you won't get owned, if you call that cheap...

[QUOTE="bad_fur_day"]

[QUOTE="h575309"]I agree. Ninja Gaiden 2....Rocket launcher ninjas you cant see? Cheap. Makes me want to smash everything in sight. I actually know two people who have snapped Ninja Gaiden disks they were so pissed.h575309

I like it how people just seem to forget ninja gaiden 1 was also plenty cheap. Projectile enimies, rockets, explosive shuriken, double boss fights, enclosed boss fights. I really don't see the difference between the two. Be a better ninja next time with the overpowered Ryu and you won't get owned, if you call that cheap...

[QUOTE="bad_fur_day"]

[QUOTE="h575309"]I agree. Ninja Gaiden 2....Rocket launcher ninjas you cant see? Cheap. Makes me want to smash everything in sight. I actually know two people who have snapped Ninja Gaiden disks they were so pissed.h575309

I like it how people just seem to forget ninja gaiden 1 was also plenty cheap. Projectile enimies, rockets, explosive shuriken, double boss fights, enclosed boss fights. I really don't see the difference between the two. Be a better ninja next time with the overpowered Ryu and you won't get owned, if you call that cheap...

[QUOTE="h575309"][QUOTE="bad_fur_day"]

I like it how people just seem to forget ninja gaiden 1 was also plenty cheap. Projectile enimies, rockets, explosive shuriken, double boss fights, enclosed boss fights. I really don't see the difference between the two. Be a better ninja next time with the overpowered Ryu and you won't get owned, if you call that cheap...

110million

Yes but at least in close quarters combat theres no splash damage.

This game is so addictive, I cant get enough.

And you seriously need to use every resource available to you, it can only help you. Patience is the key to mastering this game, lots of patience.

So I rented this game and screwed around with it a bit.. died a couple times to the Red Eye Knight. Initial observations are.. it's pretty much a waste of time if you die and can't retrieve your souls. If the whole game is like that, well that's just a lot of time wasted. And for a game that's pretty much all combat, I dunno if I like the combat THAT much.

I'll obviously have to play it more to understand the game, but so far I just don't get it. You have to hack and slash your way through a whole bunch of crappy enemies if you die just to get a chance to fight some of the tougher guys again. End up memorizing the level in the process. Lots of trial and error stuff, and the only thing I seem to retain are my items.

[QUOTE="bad_fur_day"]

[QUOTE="h575309"]I agree. Ninja Gaiden 2....Rocket launcher ninjas you cant see? Cheap. Makes me want to smash everything in sight. I actually know two people who have snapped Ninja Gaiden disks they were so pissed.h575309

I like it how people just seem to forget ninja gaiden 1 was also plenty cheap. Projectile enimies, rockets, explosive shuriken, double boss fights, enclosed boss fights. I really don't see the difference between the two. Be a better ninja next time with the overpowered Ryu and you won't get owned, if you call that cheap...

just go with Royality class, and use the demon soul arrow. it's like cake walk.

Now I want to play it more.

KG86

ahahhahahahaha !!!! Thats the attitude buddy !

In my opinion, a cheap game is a game that breaks its own rules; one in which the game design takes the control of the challenge away from you (bad camera, obscuring your vision, bad controls); one that gives you no tools to rise to the challenge; or otherwise hinders you from accomplishing what must be acomplished.

Demon's Souls is, generally, not cheap. The combat system is methodical but consistent. There are no missing animations, so you cannot say that an enemy attacked you in a way you could not prepare for. The collision detection, aside from being able to slice and be sliced through prison bars in 3-1, is nigh on perfect. The enemies will surprise you, each type of enemy possess the same combat skills. Yes, it is a surprise when you step on a plate and suddenly arrows shoot down the hall. But if you take a moment and think, you will succeed. Why is there a pressure plate there? Not just for the fun of it, chances are. And you know that player note you ignored? I bet it might have told you something about that!

Activate every blood stain. Read every note. Remember what you have learned. Pay attention to player ghosts. Leave notes for others. Drop your soul mark and join someone else so you can get a lay of the land before conquering it on your own. If you are in human form, invite someone to join you so you can stay fully human as long as possible. These are some of the many tools that Demon's Souls offers to you.

There are a few moments that really are cheap. A ragdoll once knocked me off a suspended walkway in 3-2. The targeting is weird, and I fell to my doom once because of it, and failed a few times to lock on when I needed to most, and the enemy was right in front of me. But this kind of thing does not define the Demon's Souls challenge. I admit it takes a different approach than you might be used to, but I am the first reviewer to call out a game for being cheap. And in my opinion, Demon's Souls is rarely cheap--just tough.

Wooo I finally beat the first boss. Man he is easy with magic, I wonder how I would do with no magic but anyways anyone know how to get the treasures guarded by the red dragon? Everytime I get close I die

I would like to thank the mainstream media along with all the forumers for making me really paranoid when I started this game. :P Now that I've got the hang of it, I enjoy it more.

Wooo I finally beat the first boss. Man he is easy with magic, I wonder how I would do with no magic but anyways anyone know how to get the treasures guarded by the red dragon? Everytime I get close I die

Memoryitis

Wooo I finally beat the first boss. Man he is easy with magic, I wonder how I would do with no magic but anyways anyone know how to get the treasures guarded by the red dragon? Everytime I get close I die

Memoryitis

on pure white tendency both the blue and red dragon will not appear on its nest, theres another trick go to the bridge and when you see him leaves his nest go run on the area with the treasures.. be careful not to get too closed on the blue dragon that thing will stomp you.. :P

I would like to thank the mainstream media along with all the forumers for making me really paranoid when I started this game. :P Now that I've got the hang of it, I enjoy it more.

dual_boot

[QUOTE="Memoryitis"]

Wooo I finally beat the first boss. Man he is easy with magic, I wonder how I would do with no magic but anyways anyone know how to get the treasures guarded by the red dragon? Everytime I get close I die

Isnt he a boss in the future? So if you kill him now, would you be killing him for good?MJ4040

Isnt he a boss in the future? So if you kill him now, would you be killing him for good?MJ4040

He's a mini-boss that's optional you get 10k souls if you use it's demon's soul and like 15k souls from actually killing it, it takes 100 arrows to kill him on the first playthrough.

There's a flaming purple shield in 1-1 where the 2 dragons are roosting and other loot. The flaming purple shield will last you a good while in the game. You can get it by quickly running in and looting then jump off the cliff to the pass below it (you won't die) to avoid the fire. However you can just go in there get the loot and suicide if souls isn't a factor for you.

For more Demon's Souls help look here.

It's a wiki dedicated to the game.

[QUOTE="MJ4040"]Isnt he a boss in the future? So if you kill him now, would you be killing him for good?zarshack

lol

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] lulz, the thing is enemy's respawn, and when you go to your place of death you usually die, again and a lot.Animal-Mother

Also I recommend everyone to get high endurance ASAP. You can carry heavy armor and weapons while not experiencing movement penalties which occur if your equipped weight is over 50% of your total weight possible. Being able to move fast is a huge lifesaver and timesaver as well.

My main complaint is that they didn't put an option to spawn closer to a boss if you die in a boss fight. In each level there consists of a boss that sometimes takes a while to get to, then you have to fight the boss without dieing. It's just too much. At least make another 1- or 2 dash something where we can get back to a boss fight. This goes beyond hard or challenging, it's just a bad game design decision imo. Being nervous of dieing, especially with lots of souls, can take you a bit out to the game. Otherwise, I love everything else about it.

Diablo 1 was like that where if you died you dropped all your stuff and had to go back to retrieve. Sure you could have a high level summon you there but i actually liked it that way. It was hardcore and added tension to the game. GAmes these days cater too much to making it easy on the dumbasses.

I would like to thank the mainstream media along with all the forumers for making me really paranoid when I started this game. :P Now that I've got the hang of it, I enjoy it more.

dual_boot