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#1 Stall0wn3d
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may 9th 2006  November 9th 2006  z july 5th 2006  july 12th 2007  today  its artistic reasons alright, as in they didnt have enough ram to bump map everyone and put decent AI in all the enemies otherwise only the master chief would be bump mapped and all the marines would look like crap. have fun guys :D *waits for someone to post the cgi trailer of killzone*
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#4 legalize3
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and people where laughing at killzone cgi movie

this is even worse

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may 9th 2006 its artistic reasons alright, as in they didnt have enough ram to bump map everyone and put decent AI in all the enemies otherwise only the master chief would be bump mapped and all the marines would lool like crap. have fun guys :DStall0wn3d
Its the shade of the armor, really that makes it look downgraded. Although you can clearly see the lighting looks terrible, in comparison to the first pic( on the armor, I mean). But yes, for their "artistic" purposes, keeping the Master Chieft looking green is the best choice.
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#6 DivergeUnify
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may 9th 2006 its artistic reasons alright, as in they didnt have enough ram to bump map everyone and put decent AI in all the enemies otherwise only the master chief would be bump mapped and all the marines would lool like crap. have fun guys :DStall0wn3d
Its the shade of the armor, really that makes it look downgraded. Although you can clearly see the lighting looks terrible, in comparison to the first pic( on the armor, I mean). But yes, for their "artistic" purposes, keeping the Master Chieft looking green is the best choice.
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may 9th 2006 its artistic reasons alright, as in they didnt have enough ram to bump map everyone and put decent AI in all the enemies otherwise only the master chief would be bump mapped and all the marines would lool like crap. have fun guys :DStall0wn3d
Its the shade of the armor, really that makes it look downgraded. Although you can clearly see the lighting looks terrible, in comparison to the first pic( on the armor, I mean). But yes, for their "artistic" purposes, keeping the Master Chieft looking green is the best choice.
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#8 Galantina
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Oh no, what about real time weapon changes???? Wilz flop-box 360 hav teh pow3r 2 pu7 them in 7h3re??!?!?! rofl teh uba cell pwnz M$.hongkingkong

ok i admit hes abit of an idiot bringing this up because lets face it, its not going to make the game any less fun.

But did you really have to act like a 5 year old when replying to him?

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#9 Stall0wn3d
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I'm not a fan of Halo, but even I can tell you are grasping for straws.Svarthek
sorry im, a fan of halo, i still think it will get a 9.0, but the downgrade is there, there is no denying it.
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#11 Shusty_lives
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When it comes to Halo it's about gameplay, but any other game on any other system it's about graphics. Killzone 2 will flop because the texture is not next gen...
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#12 Stall0wn3d
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When it comes to Halo it's about gameplay, but any other game on any other system it's about graphics. Killzone 2 will flop because the texture is not next gen...Shusty_lives
and these textures are nex gen, are you serious?
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#13 Svarthek
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[QUOTE="Svarthek"]I'm not a fan of Halo, but even I can tell you are grasping for straws.Stall0wn3d
sorry im, a fan of halo, i still think it will get a 9.0, but the downgrade is there, there is no denying it.


To be quite honest I could only see the first 3 pictures when you first posted.  Not sure if you accidentily left out the most recent screen, but I deleted my post once I saw it.  I personally wouldnt be surprised if it was a gamespot glitch that kept me from seeing your whole post.
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#14 Stall0wn3d
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[QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"][QUOTE="Svarthek"]I'm not a fan of Halo, but even I can tell you are grasping for straws.Svarthek
sorry im, a fan of halo, i still think it will get a 9.0, but the downgrade is there, there is no denying it.


To be quite honest I could only see the first 3 pictures when you first posted.  Not sure if you accidentily left out the most recent screen, but I deleted my post once I saw it.  I personally wouldnt be surprised if it was a gamespot glitch that kept me from seeing your whole post.

it must be a glitch, cus the 2nd to last one is mindblowng.
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[QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]When it comes to Halo it's about gameplay, but any other game on any other system it's about graphics. Killzone 2 will flop because the texture is not next gen...Stall0wn3d
and these textures are nex gen, are you serious?

Halo is not about graphics, it's about gameplay. Who cares what it looks like? It's all about fun.

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[QUOTE="hongkingkong"]Oh no, what about real time weapon changes???? Wilz flop-box 360 hav teh pow3r 2 pu7 them in 7h3re??!?!?! rofl teh uba cell pwnz M$.Galantina

ok i admit hes abit of an idiot bringing this up because lets face it, its not going to make the game any less fun.

But did you really have to act like a 5 year old when replying to him?

noez i juzt can't ge7 teh h4ng ov thiz sp3llin9 ting.

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#17 hot114
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Thats why you never EVER believe a CG preview of a game.
How people can be dumb enough to ever fall for CG-trailers is beyond me.
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#18 Subcritical
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As a PC gamer, all I will say is that the game graphically looks pretty damn good to me. Anyone complaining that the graphics aren't good enough is just being ridiculous.
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#19 Stall0wn3d
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[QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"][QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]When it comes to Halo it's about gameplay, but any other game on any other system it's about graphics. Killzone 2 will flop because the texture is not next gen...Shusty_lives

and these textures are nex gen, are you serious?

Halo is not about graphics, it's about gameplay. Who cares what it looks like? It's all about fun.

lemmings said the single player would look like that us it was in-engine after the multiplayer looked like crap. i agree the game has decent gameplay for a console FPS but downgrade:complete...
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#20 -Montauk-
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zomg no armor shine = suxxors. Now that that's taken care of, people mistake a lot of these trailers for games as actual gameplay. If my memory serves me correctly, I don't recall Bungie ever saying the trailer from E3 2006 was in game. They said it was USING THE ENGINE. Not playing the game, but only a trailer of the engine running a cutscene. And I'm pretty sure they never said that was their target (of course they could hope for it, but realistically it could never happen). If you think otherwise, provide a link.
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#21 legol1
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first thing first in the first picture bungie sayit was a cgi not like killzone trailer jack tretton say its all gameplay.
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#22 Stall0wn3d
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first thing first in the first picture bungie sayit was a cgi not like killzone trailer jack tretton say its all gameplay.legol1
actually they said it was all in-engine leading the lemmings to belive the single player would look like that
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#23 Shusty_lives
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lemmings said the single player would look like that us it was in-engine after the multiplayer looked like crap. i agree the game has decent gameplay for a console FPS but downgrade:complete...Stall0wn3d

Who cares what lemmings say? Let a game let Halo have its day. We all know it the screaming and joy of online play of Halo 3 that 360 fans been waiting for. Halo could have looked like a Wii game, and still be hyped.

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#24 -Montauk-
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[QUOTE="legol1"]first thing first in the first picture bungie sayit was a cgi not like killzone trailer jack tretton say its all gameplay.Stall0wn3d
actually they said it was all in-engine leading the lemmings to belive the single player would look like that

In engine does not mean the same thing as gameplay. Maybe some diehard fanboys thought it would look that good, but that's to be expected. I never thought it would look as good as that trailer, but if you ask me, they are pretty close. The major differences are only in the reduced reflections and more matte colored textures used on the armor.
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And yet it'll be better than any PS3 game and sell more - Amen
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Lets look at Killzone (current) vs Killzone E3'05, then compare Halo3 (current) vs Halo E3'06 vid..... which do you think is closer to what was promised??? K, thx, bye Cows.
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[QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]When it comes to Halo it's about gameplay, but any other game on any other system it's about graphics. Killzone 2 will flop because the texture is not next gen...Stall0wn3d
and these textures are nex gen, are you serious?

Halo 3's textures destroy Killzone 2's textures

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[QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"][QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]When it comes to Halo it's about gameplay, but any other game on any other system it's about graphics. Killzone 2 will flop because the texture is not next gen...Juggernaut140

and these textures are nex gen, are you serious?

Halo 3's textures destroy Killzone 2's textures

And crysis textures own both killzone 2 and halo 3. TC

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[QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"]lemmings said the single player would look like that us it was in-engine after the multiplayer looked like crap. i agree the game has decent gameplay for a console FPS but downgrade:complete...Shusty_lives

Who cares what lemmings say? Let a game let Halo have its day. We all know it the screaming and joy of online play of Halo 3 that 360 fans been waiting for. Halo could have looked like a Wii game, and still be hyped.

thats the sad part, they hyped it to look as good as the trailer, and now they are dodging this topic.
Lets look at Killzone (current) vs Killzone E3'05, then compare Halo3 (current) vs Halo E3'06 vid..... which do you think is closer to what was promised??? K, thx, bye Cows.Zandeus
wow, pass the crack pipe, and post the videos while you are at it so you can selfown. killzone 2 got closer to the CGI trailer than halo 3 got the the in engine trailer. its kinda sad.
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#30 Zandeus
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[QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]

[QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"]lemmings said the single player would look like that us it was in-engine after the multiplayer looked like crap. i agree the game has decent gameplay for a console FPS but downgrade:complete...Stall0wn3d

Who cares what lemmings say? Let a game let Halo have its day. We all know it the screaming and joy of online play of Halo 3 that 360 fans been waiting for. Halo could have looked like a Wii game, and still be hyped.

thats the sad part, they hyped it to look as good as the trailer, and now they are dodging this topic.
Lets look at Killzone (current) vs Killzone E3'05, then compare Halo3 (current) vs Halo E3'06 vid..... which do you think is closer to what was promised??? K, thx, bye Cows.Zandeus
wow, pass the crack pipe, and post the videos while you are at it so you can selfown. killzone 2 got closer to the CGI trailer than halo 3 got the the in engine trailer. its kinda sad.

Wow.... I'm sorry.... I didn't mean to question your authority.... oh hey, do you have a monitor that displays in brail?? Oh, dang I think its time to go feed your seeing eye dog.

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[QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]

[QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"]lemmings said the single player would look like that us it was in-engine after the multiplayer looked like crap. i agree the game has decent gameplay for a console FPS but downgrade:complete...Stall0wn3d

Who cares what lemmings say? Let a game let Halo have its day. We all know it the screaming and joy of online play of Halo 3 that 360 fans been waiting for. Halo could have looked like a Wii game, and still be hyped.

thats the sad part, they hyped it to look as good as the trailer, and now they are dodging this topic.
Lets look at Killzone (current) vs Killzone E3'05, then compare Halo3 (current) vs Halo E3'06 vid..... which do you think is closer to what was promised??? K, thx, bye Cows.Zandeus
wow, pass the crack pipe, and post the videos while you are at it so you can selfown. killzone 2 got closer to the CGI trailer than halo 3 got the the in engine trailer. its kinda sad.

he's right Zandeus..let it go

lemmings really really need to find something else to criticise. imo its not really wise to attack a game that looks that polished, and it's still in alpha. The game is probably about a year from release.

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[QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"][QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]

[QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"]lemmings said the single player would look like that us it was in-engine after the multiplayer looked like crap. i agree the game has decent gameplay for a console FPS but downgrade:complete...Zandeus

Who cares what lemmings say? Let a game let Halo have its day. We all know it the screaming and joy of online play of Halo 3 that 360 fans been waiting for. Halo could have looked like a Wii game, and still be hyped.

thats the sad part, they hyped it to look as good as the trailer, and now they are dodging this topic.
Lets look at Killzone (current) vs Killzone E3'05, then compare Halo3 (current) vs Halo E3'06 vid..... which do you think is closer to what was promised??? K, thx, bye Cows.Zandeus
wow, pass the crack pipe, and post the videos while you are at it so you can selfown. killzone 2 got closer to the CGI trailer than halo 3 got the the in engine trailer. its kinda sad.

Wow.... I'm sorry.... I didn't mean to question your authority.... oh hey, do you have a monitor that displays in brail?? Oh, dang I think its time to go feed your seeing eye dog.

its even 10x funnier cus you didnt post any vids:lol: you must have a seeing eye rodent, seeing as you are a lemming, and you obviously cant see right, you cant even find the vids to post to own yourslef.
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#33 5th_element
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Yeah i Wondered the same thing !!!!

But still it does not lok UGLY!!!it just dosent look as good as they made us think!!!

it will still be a great game!

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have fun guys :DStall0wn3d

Of course I will have fun... it's not like I'm a graphic-whore like you or anything :|

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#35 squallff8_fan
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The halo 3 game may not be as good as we all thought it would be, comparing it to gears of war level, but to be honest I kind of think the halo 3 graphics we seen so far in the single player looks good enough. I know the game will be alot of fun and sell like crazy, and gamespot will prolly overrate the score like always but the game looks good enough in my opinion.
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[QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"]have fun guys :Dbobby_king

Of course I will have fun... it's not like I'm a graphic-whore like you or anything :|

im not a graphics whore, i just want the lemmings to admit the downgrade:D
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#38 SpaceMatt
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Hey, I know! Let's listen to people who've actually played the game!

In the gloom of the base, Halo 3 doesn't actually look all that different from its predecessors -- sure, the Marines are a lot less blocky, but it's difficult to appreciate the game's visual enhancements in pitch darkness. Outside, though, it's a different story, and there's no question that Bungie is pushing the 360 hardware to create a damn good looking game. The fears left by the beta are clearly unfounded.1Up

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3161662

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[QUOTE="bobby_king"]

[QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"]have fun guys :DStall0wn3d

Of course I will have fun... it's not like I'm a graphic-whore like you or anything :|

im not a graphics whore, i just want the lemmings to admit the downgrade:D

OMG, his armor lacks bump mapping, now he looks so last gen -end sarcasm-. You'll be playing in the first person perspective most of the time anyway, so big freaking deal TC.:roll: Besides, I don't see a downgrade in the enviroments or anything else for that matter, and the last time I checked it's still a pretty looking game. And how do you know the reasons for this "downgrade"? Did you help make the game? Also, bump mapping and normal mapping aren't a huge resource hogs, heck Star Wars Rouge leader for the Gamecube had Bump mapping everywhere, and it was a launch game... :?

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zomg no armor shine = suxxors. Now that that's taken care of, people mistake a lot of these trailers for games as actual gameplay. If my memory serves me correctly, I don't recall Bungie ever saying the trailer from E3 2006 was in game. They said it was USING THE ENGINE. Not playing the game, but only a trailer of the engine running a cutscene. And I'm pretty sure they never said that was their target (of course they could hope for it, but realistically it could never happen). If you think otherwise, provide a link.-Montauk-

I can't provide a link, but one of the bungie team did say that "This is how Halo 3 will look" in the very first ViDoc. And quite frankly, it does. If you see the canyon part of the E3 07 trailer the only difference is the colour of the Chief's armour.

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[QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"][QUOTE="bobby_king"]

[QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"]have fun guys :Dcoolviper2003

Of course I will have fun... it's not like I'm a graphic-whore like you or anything :|

im not a graphics whore, i just want the lemmings to admit the downgrade:D

OMG, his armor lacks bump mapping, now he looks so last gen -end sarcasm-. You'll be playing in the first person perspective most of the time anyway, so big freaking deal TC.:roll: Besides, I don't see a downgrade in the enviroments or anything else for that matter, and the last time I checked it's still a pretty looking game. And how do you know the reasons for this "downgrade"? Did you help make the game? Also, bump mapping and normal mapping aren't a huge resource hogs, heck Star Wars Rouge leader for the Gamecube had Bump mapping everywhere, and it was a launch game... :?

wait, you dont see those trees in the last halo 3 pic? and if there is no downgrade, why are the lemmings avoiding this thread? there is a downgrade, im sorry, the game will be an awesome console FPS, but the downgrade is undeniable.
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#43 tomarlyn
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Looks great, can't wait. Still looks crap compared to to KZ2 though.
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#44 kodex1717
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Oh em gee, they changed the color of his armor! Downgrade! Downgrade!
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#45 coolviper2003
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[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]

OMG, his armor lacks bump mapping, now he looks so last gen -end sarcasm-. You'll be playing in the first person perspective most of the time anyway, so big freaking deal TC.:roll: Besides, I don't see a downgrade in the enviroments or anything else for that matter, and the last time I checked it's still a pretty looking game. And how do you know the reasons for this "downgrade"? Did you help make the game? Also, bump mapping and normal mapping aren't a huge resource hogs, heck Star Wars Rouge leader for the Gamecube had Bump mapping everywhere, and it was a launch game... :?

Stall0wn3d
wait, you dont see those trees in the last halo 3 pic? and if there is no downgrade, why are the lemmings avoiding this thread? there is a downgrade, im sorry, the game will be an awesome console FPS, but the downgrade is undeniable.

Well, do you think armor should look like sandpaper or should it be smooth? If you want smooth armor then you don't need bump mapping, am I right? I'm sure the 360 could easily render some bump mapping on his armor since you'd really only see it in cutscenes, and in cutscenes their is no AI or physics since everything is scripted leaving a lot of resources to spare. Bungie could have left in the sandpaper armor if they wanted to, it was a design choice not this downgrade. Now whether or nothis current armor looks better or worse is personal preference.
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[QUOTE="bobby_king"]

[QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"]have fun guys :DStall0wn3d

Of course I will have fun... it's not like I'm a graphic-whore like you or anything :|

im not a graphics whore, i just want the lemmings to admit the downgrade:D

what downgrade? We already had a thread about this where many were owned. And ur first pic was never said to be gameplay only in engine or whatever so not sure how you can use that as a comparison to in game shots.

Halo 3 actually looks better and people just can't admit it is the deal. People are trying their best to say it's downgraded.

And they confuse shiny and an upgrade when it's just lighting and Bungie said themselves they could have had that shiny look but decided not to and stay more true to Halo's art style.

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#47 kcpp2b
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Looks great, can't wait. Still looks crap compared to to KZ2 though.tomarlyn

Sure pal sure.

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#48 kcpp2b
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[QUOTE="coolviper2003"][QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"][QUOTE="bobby_king"]

[QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"]have fun guys :DStall0wn3d

Of course I will have fun... it's not like I'm a graphic-whore like you or anything :|

im not a graphics whore, i just want the lemmings to admit the downgrade:D

OMG, his armor lacks bump mapping, now he looks so last gen -end sarcasm-. You'll be playing in the first person perspective most of the time anyway, so big freaking deal TC.:roll: Besides, I don't see a downgrade in the enviroments or anything else for that matter, and the last time I checked it's still a pretty looking game. And how do you know the reasons for this "downgrade"? Did you help make the game? Also, bump mapping and normal mapping aren't a huge resource hogs, heck Star Wars Rouge leader for the Gamecube had Bump mapping everywhere, and it was a launch game... :?

wait, you dont see those trees in the last halo 3 pic? and if there is no downgrade, why are the lemmings avoiding this thread? there is a downgrade, im sorry, the game will be an awesome console FPS, but the downgrade is undeniable.

Stop being blind. And btw you should research thread topics before you post it. This crap has had so many threads about this it's not funny. Maybe that's why people are avoiding this cause it's the same crap we've seen a million times. People trying to claim it's a downgrade. It got ugly last time with all the cows getting owned by trying to lie about the first stuff being in game

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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Looks great, can't wait. Still looks crap compared to to KZ2 though.kcpp2b

Sure pal sure.

I know calling it crap was harsh, but KZ2 does look miles better than Halo 3. I was defending Halo, so I'm not hating for no reason.

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#50 Stall0wn3d
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[QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"][QUOTE="coolviper2003"]

OMG, his armor lacks bump mapping, now he looks so last gen -end sarcasm-. You'll be playing in the first person perspective most of the time anyway, so big freaking deal TC.:roll: Besides, I don't see a downgrade in the enviroments or anything else for that matter, and the last time I checked it's still a pretty looking game. And how do you know the reasons for this "downgrade"? Did you help make the game? Also, bump mapping and normal mapping aren't a huge resource hogs, heck Star Wars Rouge leader for the Gamecube had Bump mapping everywhere, and it was a launch game... :?

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wait, you dont see those trees in the last halo 3 pic? and if there is no downgrade, why are the lemmings avoiding this thread? there is a downgrade, im sorry, the game will be an awesome console FPS, but the downgrade is undeniable.

Well, do you think armor should look like sandpaper or should it be smooth? If you want smooth armor then you don't need bump mapping, am I right? I'm sure the 360 could easily render some bump mapping on his armor since you'd really only see it in cutscenes, and in cutscenes their is no AI or physics since everything is scripted leaving a lot of resources to spare. Bungie could have left in the sandpaper armor if they wanted to, it was a design choice not this downgrade. Now whether or nothis current armor looks better or worse is personal preference.

only in the cutscenes, are you serious? i remember the marines fighting alongside the chief in halo 2, i bet there will be even more fighting alongside the chief in halo 3. that has to be damage controle. if they had the chief bump mapped like that, they would have to do the same for all the armor that is similar, as in the marines and maybe even the enemies as well, i think its pretty obvious they dont have the ram for that, and if only the chief looked like that, the game would look retarded. so... downgrade:COMPLETE!!!