downgrade:COMPLETE!!!

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Looks great, can't wait. Still looks crap compared to to KZ2 though.kcpp2b

Sure pal sure.

I'm deadly serious, its light years ahead.

i never saw a thread with pics showing the downgrade, bungie said the first pic was in game, that means the actual game should look pretty damn closeStall0wn3d

[QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"]i never saw a thread with pics showing the downgrade, bungie said the first pic was in game, that means the actual game should look pretty damn closekodex1717

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"][QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"][QUOTE="coolviper2003"]

OMG, his armor lacks bump mapping, now he looks so last gen -end sarcasm-. You'll be playing in the first person perspective most of the time anyway, so big freaking deal TC.:roll: Besides, I don't see a downgrade in the enviroments or anything else for that matter, and the last time I checked it's still a pretty looking game. And how do you know the reasons for this "downgrade"? Did you help make the game? Also, bump mapping and normal mapping aren't a huge resource hogs, heck Star Wars Rouge leader for the Gamecube had Bump mapping everywhere, and it was a launch game... :?

Stall0wn3d

Assuming the marines had the same armor as the chief, which they don't... Metal armor is supposed to be smooth, not looking like jagged sandstone, hence why bump mapping isn't NEEDED. You believe whatever you want to and pretend you know why it's downgraded :roll:

Looks great to me! And yes, the first Picture does look more shiny, and more deatailed, but the others are close to it.

i never saw a thread with pics showing the downgrade, bungie said the first pic was in game, that means the actual game should look pretty damn close, maybe half the framerate, less AA, and some other effects taken out. but the gameplay looks nothing like the in engine trailer sorry. killzone 2 got closer to the CGI trailer than halo 3 got to the in engine trailer, and thats sad.Stall0wn3d

[QUOTE="kodex1717"][QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"]i never saw a thread with pics showing the downgrade, bungie said the first pic was in game, that means the actual game should look pretty damn close-JayWong-

[QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"][QUOTE="coolviper2003"][QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"][QUOTE="coolviper2003"]

OMG, his armor lacks bump mapping, now he looks so last gen -end sarcasm-. You'll be playing in the first person perspective most of the time anyway, so big freaking deal TC.:roll: Besides, I don't see a downgrade in the enviroments or anything else for that matter, and the last time I checked it's still a pretty looking game. And how do you know the reasons for this "downgrade"? Did you help make the game? Also, bump mapping and normal mapping aren't a huge resource hogs, heck Star Wars Rouge leader for the Gamecube had Bump mapping everywhere, and it was a launch game... :?

coolviper2003

Assuming the marines had the same armor as the chief, which they don't... Metal armor is supposed to be smooth, not looking like jagged sandstone, hence why bump mapping isn't NEEDED. You believe whatever you want to and pretend you know why it's downgraded :roll:

and people where laughing at killzone cgi movie

this is even worse

legalize3

This has nothing to do with Killzone. It has everything to do with the "gameplay" let alone realtime claims people were getting from lems at the time of the H3 trailer.

according to who, you? or bungie with their excuses? im sorry, but if only thechief had the bump mapped armor, we all know it would look retarded to say the least, i remember the black marine dudes had pretty much the same armor in halo 2, besides the difference in color, if all the armors didnt have bump mapping similar to the chiefs, then the game would look stupid, and bungie knew this, and they dont have enough powa to add it to everyone, so its easier to just remove it all together. it makes more sense than your, non theory...Stall0wn3d

[QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"]

according to who, you? or bungie with their excuses? im sorry, but if only thechief had the bump mapped armor, we all know it would look retarded to say the least, i remember the black marine dudes had pretty much the same armor in halo 2, besides the difference in color, if all the armors didnt have bump mapping similar to the chiefs, then the game would look stupid, and bungie knew this, and they dont have enough powa to add it to everyone, so its easier to just remove it all together. it makes more sense than your, non theory...coolviper2003

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"][QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"]

according to who, you? or bungie with their excuses? im sorry, but if only thechief had the bump mapped armor, we all know it would look retarded to say the least, i remember the black marine dudes had pretty much the same armor in halo 2, besides the difference in color, if all the armors didnt have bump mapping similar to the chiefs, then the game would look stupid, and bungie knew this, and they dont have enough powa to add it to everyone, so its easier to just remove it all together. it makes more sense than your, non theory...Stall0wn3d

and people where laughing at killzone cgi movie

this is even worse

legalize3

Except Killzone's going to suck compared to this game.

"bu bu teh grafix!!!!! :cry:"

[QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"][QUOTE="coolviper2003"][QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"]

according to who, you? or bungie with their excuses? im sorry, but if only thechief had the bump mapped armor, we all know it would look retarded to say the least, i remember the black marine dudes had pretty much the same armor in halo 2, besides the difference in color, if all the armors didnt have bump mapping similar to the chiefs, then the game would look stupid, and bungie knew this, and they dont have enough powa to add it to everyone, so its easier to just remove it all together. it makes more sense than your, non theory...coolviper2003

Look at the haters: crying over graphics as if they where the single most important aspect of the game. Let's face it, Halo looks really good, if not fantastic, and it will deliver. At the end of this year, the haters are going to realize, once again, that the most fun console shooter out on the market is Halo.

Haze will not compare. Killzone will not compare. Call of Duty 4....well, it's Call of Duty, and it won't compare. But unfortunately, reviewers won't be able to grasp the reality of "graphics =/= gameplay", and they'll be too floored to notice that everyone won't be playing those titles two years from now while Halo 3's online base will still be going strong, and for good reason.

[QUOTE="Svarthek"]I'm not a fan of Halo, but even I can tell you are grasping for straws.Stall0wn3d

The first 3 is from the trailers, the last one is from gameplay. Compare gameplay shots to show downgrade.

You people need to educate yourselves. Seriously.

Go watch the making of the trailer video.

You clearly see that the "golden" chief only accures in the lone " god ray" ie. the sunlight.

However you look at that trailer you see the chief in different lighting and they all look different.

Please fanboys just educate yourselves about what it is your talking about before you own yourself.

Edit:Here is the making of. Please educate yourself;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92SDphAiI5s

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And KZ looks like poo, look at this gameplay trailer;

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748475/vids_1.html

Cows need higher standards seriously.

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"][QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"][QUOTE="coolviper2003"][QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"]

according to who, you? or bungie with their excuses? im sorry, but if only thechief had the bump mapped armor, we all know it would look retarded to say the least, i remember the black marine dudes had pretty much the same armor in halo 2, besides the difference in color, if all the armors didnt have bump mapping similar to the chiefs, then the game would look stupid, and bungie knew this, and they dont have enough powa to add it to everyone, so its easier to just remove it all together. it makes more sense than your, non theory...Stall0wn3d

and people where laughing at killzone cgi movie

this is even worse

legalize3

Theres a different shade of lighting.Wow....its not that hard to notice.

hmm, nowhere did i even mention 360 in my post, so how could i assume you are a 360 fanboy, maybe a halo fanboy, or a FPS fanboy? i dunno, thats why i never got specific. talk about assuming :lol: and xbox did normal mapping on riddick, as in the put high quality textures on low polygons.bump mapping is more of a resource hog especially with the higher polygon counts this gen. some environments even on multiplayer feature bump mapping, and maybe thats the reason they didnt include it on the players, plus tweaking the lighting to look good with non static objects would be a pain, environments dont move, players do.

also i like bungie, i liked oni when everyone else hated it, i thought it as a decent game. but i can admit, killzone 2 got blew more minds than halo 3 did. xbox 360 is the platform that is easier to develop on right? the system with the embedded edram, the system that can do AA and HDR with no hit on the resources, the system that produces better textures with the unified ram, yet as a pc gamer, i can see through the BS cus i am looking from the outside in.Stall0wn3d

You're going to get modded for quoting six posts :lol: Hmmm, let's see, Halo 3 is on the 360 and only the 360. You said that anyone who denies the downgrade is a fanboy. Usually only lemmings would get butt hurt about that so logically speaking it was safe for me to say that statment. You do know normal mapping > bump mapping right?Yeah, amazing how the xbox could produce a game where almost every texture was normal or bumped map, yet for some reason the 360 is incapable of putting bump maps on the cheif and some marines.

You still have no idea how normal mapping and bump mapping work -sigh-They really aren't resource hogs. That's why devs opt to gowith making low poly count objects and implement bump/normal maps instead of making higher poly count objects. Well, I have better things to do so to save you some time don't bother replying as I won't read it, unless you have to have the last word, then by all means go for it if it makes you feel better. Heh

[QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"] hmm, nowhere did i even mention 360 in my post, so how could i assume you are a 360 fanboy, maybe a halo fanboy, or a FPS fanboy? i dunno, thats why i never got specific. talk about assuming :lol: and xbox did normal mapping on riddick, as in the put high quality textures on low polygons.bump mapping is more of a resource hog especially with the higher polygon counts this gen. some environments even on multiplayer feature bump mapping, and maybe thats the reason they didnt include it on the players, plus tweaking the lighting to look good with non static objects would be a pain, environments dont move, players do.

also i like bungie, i liked oni when everyone else hated it, i thought it as a decent game. but i can admit, killzone 2 got blew more minds than halo 3 did. xbox 360 is the platform that is easier to develop on right? the system with the embedded edram, the system that can do AA and HDR with no hit on the resources, the system that produces better textures with the unified ram, yet as a pc gamer, i can see through the BS cus i am looking from the outside in.coolviper2003

You're going to get modded for quoting six posts :lol: Hmmm, let's see, Halo 3 is on the 360 and only the 360. You said that anyone who denies the downgrade is a fanboy. Usually only lemmings would get butt hurt about that so logically speaking it was safe for me to say that statment. You do know normal mapping > bump mapping right?Yeah, amazing how the xbox could produce a game where almost every texture was normal or bumped map, yet for some reason the 360 is incapable of putting bump maps on the cheif and some marines.

You still have no idea how normal mapping and bump mapping work -sigh-They really aren't resource hogs. That's why devs opt to gowith making low poly count objects and implement bump/normal maps instead of making higher poly count objects. Well, I have better things to do so to save you some time don't bother replying as I won't read it, unless you have to have the last word, then by all means go for it if it makes you feel better. Heh

downgrade? yea right. They already stated that they wanted to change the texture on the armor. get over yourself.

People really should stop hoping for games to fail and bashing them for things that dont effect HOW GOOD THE GAME WILL BE in any way.

To people who disagree :

Don't you understand that downgrade =/= bad graphics. The greatest-looking game on Earth can be a downgrade if target renders showed even better graphics. Halo 3 was downgraded. It's obvious. It's almost a fact. Get over it already.

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The first image is a known CGI screenshot, Bungie even said that trailer was CGI.... The others look the same to me.subyman

No Bungie said it was real-time and apparently they even showed it behind closed doors.

ok...it still looks great

9.5.

When it comes to Halo it's about gameplay, but any other game on any other system it's about graphics. Killzone 2 will flop because the texture is not next gen...Shusty_lives

that comment is ridiculous....you talk about gameplay and then you say another game will flop because of it's textures. :?

2007

2005

wow talk about a downgrade :lol:

2007

2005

wow talk about a downgrade :lol:

cyprus646

Dude that isnt a huge downgrade

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"][QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"][QUOTE="coolviper2003"][QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"][QUOTE="coolviper2003"]

OMG, his armor lacks bump mapping, now he looks so last gen -end sarcasm-. You'll be playing in the first person perspective most of the time anyway, so big freaking deal TC.:roll: Besides, I don't see a downgrade in the enviroments or anything else for that matter, and the last time I checked it's still a pretty looking game. And how do you know the reasons for this "downgrade"? Did you help make the game? Also, bump mapping and normal mapping aren't a huge resource hogs, heck Star Wars Rouge leader for the Gamecube had Bump mapping everywhere, and it was a launch game... :?

Stall0wn3d

Assuming the marines had the same armor as the chief, which they don't... Metal armor is supposed to be smooth, not looking like jagged sandstone, hence why bump mapping isn't NEEDED. You believe whatever you want to and pretend you know why it's downgraded :roll:

dude, bungie stated that the reason they took out the bump-mapping in the armor is because that future metal armor will be smooth to provide camoflauge. why the hell would a futuristic metal suit be shiny and sandpaperish like that? he would be spotted in an instant. besides, we all know u are trying to bash halo 3 because it is not coming on your console. i own both a 360 and PS3 and i can even admit that Killzone 2 looked ridiculous in the graphics department. the textures looked like it came from a ps2.. but it wont stop me from buying the game.

I usually don't argue about graphics, but:

July 31, 2007

Looks pretty good to me.

[QUOTE="Svarthek"][QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"][QUOTE="Svarthek"]I'm not a fan of Halo, but even I can tell you are grasping for straws.Stall0wn3d

whats so sad about this is that the last pic and the 2nd to last pic is EXACTLY the same, the chief is just in different lighting. that is how good the lighting is in Halo 3. wait till you can see the game in motion then u can bash it all you want.

[QUOTE="cyprus646"]

2007

2005

wow talk about a downgrade :lol:

EPaul

Dude that isnt a huge downgrade

may 9th 2006 its artistic reasons alright, as in they didnt have enough ram to bump map everyone and put decent AI in all the enemies otherwise only the master chief would be bump mapped and all the marines would look like crap. have fun guys :D *waits for someone to post the cgi trailer of killzone*Stall0wn3d

You do realize that your second picture (the glossy one) proves why the removed the sandpaper texture. It looked nothing like what MC use to look like so they removed it and now he looks like what hes supose to.

[QUOTE="cyprus646"]

2007

2005

wow talk about a downgrade :lol:

EPaul

Dude that isnt a huge downgrade

Yeah sure :roll:, At least Halo 3 has good looking textures and AI, and we can't say the same thing about killzone 2 :lol: .-wii60-

Really I am a fan of halo but 1 was great then 2 was good and now 3 is looking alright bungie has fallen off. With all the power of the 360 and years in the makingI expected alot better. Halo 3 is just not looking like bungie is pushing the hardware imo I was playing halo 2 on my hdtv in 1080p upconverted and halo 3 does not look that much better.