downgrade:COMPLETE!!!

[QUOTE="EPaul"][QUOTE="cyprus646"]

2007

2005

wow talk about a downgrade :lol:

-wii60-

Dude that isnt a huge downgrade

[QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]When it comes to Halo it's about gameplay, but any other game on any other system it's about graphics. Killzone 2 will flop because the texture is not next gen...MikeE21286

that comment is ridiculous....you talk about gameplay and then you say another game will flop because of it's textures. :?

haha

self ownage is priceless

2007

2005

wow talk about a downgrade :lol:

cyprus646

even the snes could support more than 5 colors!

Oh my God, this is the worst news I've heard all year!

I mean, with the amount of time we spend looking at the Chief himsself while playing the game, how could any of us possibly go on with graphics this bad?!

Oh wait, it's an FPS, and you never see the Chief outside of cutscenes.

The character and the gun look great! But the lighting and environment could use some work... How come barley any games can make awesome looking trees?!wallpaper42

Because tree's are made with sprites and require you to make them look and move realisticly which is very hard since they arent individual leaves.

[QUOTE="wallpaper42"]The character and the gun look great! But the lighting and environment could use some work... How come barley any games can make awesome looking trees?!justforlotr2004

Because tree's are made with sprites and require you to make them look and move realisticly which is very hard since they arent individual leaves.

They arnt sprites they are alphas. And oblivion still owns evrything when it comes to foliage.

[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"]

[QUOTE="wallpaper42"]The character and the gun look great! But the lighting and environment could use some work... How come barley any games can make awesome looking trees?!dracolich666

Because tree's are made with sprites and require you to make them look and move realisticly which is very hard since they arent individual leaves.

They arnt sprites they are alphas. And oblivion still owns evrything when it comes to foliage.

[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"]

[QUOTE="wallpaper42"]The character and the gun look great! But the lighting and environment could use some work... How come barley any games can make awesome looking trees?!dracolich666

Because tree's are made with sprites and require you to make them look and move realisticly which is very hard since they arent individual leaves.

They arnt sprites they are alphas. And oblivion still owns evrything when it comes to foliage.

No they are sprites, all the foilage are sprites.

As for oblivion the foilage isnt that great, the tree's are a bit more full than most games but the grass texture's and the other foilage isnt that wide spread across the map.

[QUOTE="dracolich666"][QUOTE="justforlotr2004"]

[QUOTE="wallpaper42"]The character and the gun look great! But the lighting and environment could use some work... How come barley any games can make awesome looking trees?!justforlotr2004

Because tree's are made with sprites and require you to make them look and move realisticly which is very hard since they arent individual leaves.

They arnt sprites they are alphas. And oblivion still owns evrything when it comes to foliage.

No they are sprites, all the foilage are sprites.

As for oblivion the foilage isnt that great, the tree's are a bit more full than most games but the grass texture's and the other foilage isnt that wide spread across the map.

Read up on it and stop trying to act smart. They are alpha textures. And yes the textures arnt that great but the amount on screen and the movement rapes GPUs. with 6xCF addaptive AA looks amazing.

[QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"]may 9th 2006 its artistic reasons alright, as in they didnt have enough ram to bump map everyone and put decent AI in all the enemies otherwise only the master chief would be bump mapped and all the marines would lool like crap. have fun guys :DDivergeUnify

how??? I like the first pic better why not make the armor like the first and the 2nd if everyone thinks it looks better...

What downgrade? :(

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="Stall0wn3d"]may 9th 2006 its artistic reasons alright, as in they didnt have enough ram to bump map everyone and put decent AI in all the enemies otherwise only the master chief would be bump mapped and all the marines would lool like crap. have fun guys :Dshootingscore

how??? I like the first pic better why not make the armor like the first and the 2nd if everyone thinks it looks better...

The sandpaper type normal mapping doesnt look the way it should, thats why he looks better now IMHO.

You people need to educate yourselves. Seriously.

Go watch the making of the trailer video.

You clearly see that the "golden" chief only accures in the lone " god ray" ie. the sunlight.

However you look at that trailer you see the chief in different lighting and they all look different.

Please fanboys just educate yourselves about what it is your talking about before you own yourself.

Edit:Here is the making of. Please educate yourself;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92SDphAiI5s

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And KZ looks like poo, look at this gameplay trailer;

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748475/vids_1.html

Cows need higher standards seriously.

HPPL3

I already made thistopic irrelevant.

i know what you mean, theres only 100+ enemies on screen, with a measly 10 mile draw distance. ew.

stop grasping for straws, Halo > you

[QUOTE="HPPL3"]

You people need to educate yourselves. Seriously.

Go watch the making of the trailer video.

You clearly see that the "golden" chief only accures in the lone " god ray" ie. the sunlight.

However you look at that trailer you see the chief in different lighting and they all look different.

Please fanboys just educate yourselves about what it is your talking about before you own yourself.

Edit:Here is the making of. Please educate yourself;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92SDphAiI5s

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And KZ looks like poo, look at this gameplay trailer;

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748475/vids_1.html

Cows need higher standards seriously.

HPPL3

I already made thistopic irrelevant.

You can't honestly think Halo looks better then KillZone2? I'm sorry, but I'm sure just about every one on this board would disagree with you. Halo has never been known for it's graphics.

[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="dracolich666"][QUOTE="justforlotr2004"]

[QUOTE="wallpaper42"]The character and the gun look great! But the lighting and environment could use some work... How come barley any games can make awesome looking trees?!dracolich666

Because tree's are made with sprites and require you to make them look and move realisticly which is very hard since they arent individual leaves.

They arnt sprites they are alphas. And oblivion still owns evrything when it comes to foliage.

No they are sprites, all the foilage are sprites.

As for oblivion the foilage isnt that great, the tree's are a bit more full than most games but the grass texture's and the other foilage isnt that wide spread across the map.

Read up on it and stop trying to act smart. They are alpha textures. And yes the textures arnt that great but the amount on screen and the movement rapes GPUs. with 6xCF addaptive AA looks amazing.

lol Alpha texture mapping is used on the sprites (2d image) to make them have transparent holes or spaces so to look like individual leaves or blades of grass.

What downgrade? :(

silentobi

self-owned. The downgrade is OBVIOUS. Look at the armor, lightingand environment textures

So how can you say it looks bad ? It looks a litle less gritty then Killzone but you can't say it looks far worse then Killzone. Also I think they downgraded it for a reason. I am for one HAPPY they downgraded it, the framerate will be better, the worlds I expect will be big and the amount of enemy's will be larger. This will be awsom, I believe they will do somuch more in Halo 3 then Halo 2 in world design and size, and ofcours gameplay. Don't worry even with downgraded graphic's the game will be GREATH, you definetly can't say it looks bad.

But yhea I was tricked, when looking at Mass Effect I tought the graphic's where possible to do... stupid me... :(

Thats why you never EVER believe a CG preview of a game.
How people can be dumb enough to ever fall for CG-trailers is beyond me.hot114

i know what you mean, theres only 100+ enemies on screen, with a measly 10 mile draw distance. ew.

stop grasping for straws, Halo > you

Rob2223

I agree.

[QUOTE="silentobi"]

What downgrade? :(

Timesplitter14

self-owned. The downgrade is OBVIOUS. Look at the armor, lightingand environment textures

Jaggies....................

And those trees aren't next-gen.

and people where laughing at killzone cgi movie

this is even worse

legalize3

no......no its actually not at all.

Jaggies....................

And those trees aren't next-gen.

ffx2warrior

The trees aren't nextGen? I guess you're not a GranTurismo fan at all, then, huh? I saw better trees on my PS2.

People clutching at straws 'bu bu they changed teh artstyle.' HAHAHAHA

Look Halo 3 looks decent graphically but clearly it has been downgraded from the original E3 trailer. People make up a bunch of excuses just because its Halo and they have a natural bias for the game because they love the gameplay. It's understandable, but if people were to try and look past their love for the gameplay they'd see that graphically it isn't anything special (although I wouldn't say it looks bad.)

On the other side of the coin Killzone2 looks absolutely phenomenal graphically but peoples natural hatred for the franchise clouds their judgement and they try and complain about the games textures (which aren't even that bad) and ignore the amazing character models, environments, physics, lighting, and animation. Halo fans (or fans of any franchise) need to realise that when somebody makes a thread attacking a games graphics they aren't necessarily attacking the game as a whole, just the graphics. Try and look past your love, or hatred, of the particular games gameplay, and try to focus on discussing it's graphics when in a thread such as this.

P.S. (Graphically)

Crysis>>>>>Killzone2>>UT3>>Halo3 (try to remember that graphics=/=character models+textures. Physics, animation, lighting, frame rate etc. are also highly important.)

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="silentobi"]

What downgrade? :(

silentobi

self-owned. The downgrade is OBVIOUS. Look at the armor, lightingand environment textures

Are you serious? Personally I always wondered why there was a double standard with MS and Sony. Everyone always claimed Sony lied about Killzone and blah blah blah, but low and behold they delivered on their promise--the game looks amazing and has been praised out the waazoo by game critics for meeting its target render.

Now Halo 3 on the other hand--man come on, its not even close. I am in no way saying Halo 3 won't still rock, but the graphics have been dumbed way down. Look at the texture and bump mapping used on the original trailer--it looks loads better and more realistic than the shot your are showing in this quote. Please don't use "change in art ****" as an excuse. It is a cop out. They downgraded it and did not deliver on the graphics. Admit it and move on. It will still be a great game, but people need to quit making excuses and trying to show that there is no downgrade in graphics--when clearly there is.

[QUOTE="silentobi"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="silentobi"]

What downgrade? :(

HuhJustaBox

self-owned. The downgrade is OBVIOUS. Look at the armor, lightingand environment textures

Are you serious? Personally I always wondered why there was a double standard with MS and Sony. Everyone always claimed Sony lied about Killzone and blah blah blah, but low and behold they delivered on their promise--the game looks amazing and has been praised out the waazoo by game critics for meeting its target render.

Now Halo 3 on the other hand--man come on, its not even close. I am in no way saying Halo 3 won't still rock, but the graphics have been dumbed way down. Look at the texture and bump mapping used on the original trailer--it looks loads better and more realistic than the shot your are showing in this quote. Please don't use "change in art ****" as an excuse. It is a cop out. They downgraded it and did not deliver on the graphics. Admit it and move on. It will still be a great game, but people need to quit making excuses and trying to show that there is no downgrade in graphics--when clearly there is.

If you look at the second screenshot you will see why they removed the sandpaper texture. The lighting hit it made it look way too glossy and didnt match the previous MC's in the other halo's.

The halo 3 game may not be as good as we all thought it would be, comparing it to gears of war level, but to be honest I kind of think the halo 3 graphics we seen so far in the single player looks good enough. I know the game will be alot of fun and sell like crazy, and gamespot will prolly overrate the score like always but the game looks good enough in my opinion.squallff8_fan

god i hate this gears of war, the graphics never looked that good i don't see what everyone sees in that game

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="silentobi"]

What downgrade? :(

silentobi

self-owned. The downgrade is OBVIOUS. Look at the armor, lightingand environment textures

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="silentobi"]

What downgrade? :(

silentobi

self-owned. The downgrade is OBVIOUS. Look at the armor, lightingand environment textures

Change of art!? LMAO this wins the #1 spot for the most desperate excuse ever in SW. Congrats.

[QUOTE="silentobi"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="silentobi"]

What downgrade? :(

Timesplitter14

self-owned. The downgrade is OBVIOUS. Look at the armor, lightingand environment textures

Change of art!? LMAO this wins the #1 spot for the most desperate excuse ever in SW. Congrats.

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="silentobi"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="silentobi"]

What downgrade? :(

htekemerald

self-owned. The downgrade is OBVIOUS. Look at the armor, lightingand environment textures

Change of art!? LMAO this wins the #1 spot for the most desperate excuse ever in SW. Congrats.

I don't care what they said or what excuses they used. It doesn't look as good

I just don't understand it, because when the hell in the game are you going to be looking at MC? It's an FPS. And I don't care that much about cutscreens.

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="silentobi"]

What downgrade? :(

silentobi

self-owned. The downgrade is OBVIOUS. Look at the armor, lightingand environment textures

Ohh? I'm starting to look forward to Halo bu lets not kid ourselves here; art? (sorry... gamespots killer sensoring system is trying to blank the word styl* :roll: ) The textures have been massively downgraded, and the game is more jaggy than before. Look at the spartans shoulder pad.

[QUOTE="silentobi"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="silentobi"]

What downgrade? :(

leejohnson7

self-owned. The downgrade is OBVIOUS. Look at the armor, lightingand environment textures

Ohh? I'm starting to look forward to Halo bu lets not kid ourselves here; art **** The textures have been massively downgraded, and the game is more jaggy than before. Look at the spartans shoulder pad.

They looks worse than GT4 trees.ffx2warrior

k now your just being stupid...

The game looks fine...

And if any of you had technical know-how if you comparied this model in this pic to the one used in the "in-engine" shot, you'd notice the geometry and textures are VERY similar. HDR and lighting has a whole effects bump mapping and how it's visable on the surface. Seriously put the two together in this pictures...very identical if you take the HDR effect off the armor....

It's not the best looking game in the world, but it still looks damn good.

[QUOTE="leejohnson7"][QUOTE="silentobi"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="silentobi"]

What downgrade? :(

-wii60-

self-owned. The downgrade is OBVIOUS. Look at the armor, lightingand environment textures

Ohh? I'm starting to look forward to Halo bu lets not kid ourselves here; art **** The textures have been massively downgraded, and the game is more jaggy than before. Look at the spartans shoulder pad.

Those 1up pictures are crap. Bungie.net ones are better.

B.net:

1up:

dang it, i wish mc's armor was as shiny as the ps3...

i cant wait for some ps3 owner to make a thread saying his girlfriend dumped him when she saw his giant, shiny, tank of a ps3