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#201 Jankarcop
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[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] No its overrated, Neverwinter Nights 2 was far better, and it came out two years before DAO did. And Mask of the Betrayer destroys DAO. So if I want to play a spiritual successor to BG2, I play NWN2.texasgoldrush

DAO is not overrated. Atlast its an RPG, unlike Mass Deffect.

 

Mass Effect, all three games, are better overall games. And its by far the superior overall franchise.

The rpg DOA is superior to all 3 Mass-Effect third person shooters.

 

Hopefully DAIII is nothing like ME, DA2, or ToR. DAO was Bioware's last real RPG.

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#202 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Never said DA2 doesn't have its problems. It was undercooked while DAO was overcooked. Well balanced, are you kidding me? The mage in DAO is OP and she is so OP that Bioware in the expansion crudely tried to balance the other two classes. Hell, parts of the Rogue were OP as well. The game is not well balanced at all. Some skills are OP as hell, while others are useless. Hell, DA2 has a more balanced combat system than DAO and that's not saying much. The problem with DAO is its so busy with the exposition and world building, the central PLOT was lacking. Its the same story in ME2. Why are the four major mid quests so divorced from the main plot with only a plot coupon to earn by doing them? And why does no party character truly matter outside Alistair (or Loghain if you want to count him)? The problem with the game is that the side stories are poorly integrated with the plot, and so were the characters. And really, the Darkspawn are absolutely yawn worthy, as are the Grey Wardens, who are basically a Bioware recycle of their past tropes. Which is another problem, DAO is heavily recycled from past Bioware plots and so are the characters, without enough divergence. Desmonic

 

Yes well balanced. Playing it in hard or nighmare and the mage OP skills are worthless since they will also f*ck up your party. Personally speaking I always went with the rogue which could have been nerfed I agree, but when I had to control the party mage(s) they didn't feelt that OP since area attacks could be deadly for me. For the most part I tended to abuse them as healers. 

I feel that the rogue in DA2 (again, only played the rogue) was actually made stronger and faster which made the mages and warriors in the party almost useless with exception of a few situations. For me DA2's combat felt way more unbalanced that DA:O.

That's what they were aiming with DA:O though. All those other plot points just needed to be set and they did so with conversations in missions, with characters, journals and the such. Sure it could have probably been handled much better but it did it's job nicely. It was subtle, it created the atmosphere that while the Blight was a major concern for Ferelden and the rest of the world there were actually other latent issues active, which is what one would expect in a real situation. It was clearly done and exposed with the purpose of the following games/DLC's exploring and solving those questions. DA2 followed one plot point and it kinda dropped the ball on the others (the Qunari part had the potential to be epic but it was meh, hopefully they'll play a big part in DA:I).

Loghain mattered? Only as the first main enemy (or as the "filler" before the Archdemon even), as a party member he was completely useless given that he only entered absurdly near the end. And as we have now learned (and previously been hinted to with Which Hunt and the start of DA2) Morrigan (and Flemeth) is actually more important than Alistair was. Leliana as well. But yes, for the main plot only Alistair was really critical per say, but the others are great in the sense that it's through may of them that you learn or understand more of the other plot points.

For all the parts that one can accuse it of being generic there are other which make it a great game. Easily one of the best Bioware games since the start of the 7th gen IMO.

Mana Clash doesn't...that OP skill basically removes enemy mages, easily the most dangerous enemies, from the game. Nevermind its been done where mages could actually solo. Who cares about party when there isn't one..... No, warriors are great in DA2, and Aveline is fantastic. And really the rogue becomes deadly with other classes do to cross class combos. Nevermind they balanced the combat through patches. The only thing DAO did well, outside Leliana's and Wynne's characters, who are actually deep and three dimensional (as well as the treatment of the Chantry), were its world building and some of the side stories, like the Dalish quests (Dalish Elf origin IS official canon, by the way). Everything else, was lacking. The plot was clichéd and unoriginal, and not at all interesting, the characters for the most part, are one dimensional that really lacked development. And the entire thing lacks focus, perhaps worse than DA2. It wa sjust like ME2, where the side stories and the world building were better than the plot, but here is the deal. ME2 characters were far better than DAO's and their development is SHOWN not just TOLD. Yes Morrigan and Leliana are more important in the storyline, but that's because after DAO they made it so, not because of DAO. And both characters had their deaths retconned.
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#203 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

DAO is not overrated. Atlast its an RPG, unlike Mass Deffect.

 

Jankarcop

Mass Effect, all three games, are better overall games. And its by far the superior overall franchise.

The rpg DOA is superior to all 3 Mass-Effect third person shooters.

 

Hopefully DAIII is nothing like ME, DA2, or ToR. DAO was Bioware's last real RPG.

Rather have a better overall GAME than a better overall RPG.
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#205 Jankarcop
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[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Mass Effect, all three games, are better overall games. And its by far the superior overall franchise.

texasgoldrush

The rpg DOA is superior to all 3 Mass-Effect third person shooters.

 

Hopefully DAIII is nothing like ME, DA2, or ToR. DAO was Bioware's last real RPG.

Rather have a better overall GAME than a better overall RPG.

 

DAO is a better overall game too.  And an actual RPG.

 

only ME1 comes close. The other two are movies with homosexual cut scenes.

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[QUOTE="Desmonic"]Side note, I just learned that Bioware will make an effort to have your old saves with all the decisions you've made in both previous games be usable for DA:I. Hopefully this will manifest in actual story, quest and even world changes rather than just "Oh hey! Remember this dude from the previous game? Well here he is! Now move on..." This is already a bit old (it's from the 7th of August) but it has the potential to be great news should they make proper use of it! :P Also, they are planning on making at least 5 games...so uh...yeah..kinda strange they decided to put that out as well lol

It will be very tough......they need to take DAO out of the save import. Its transfer into DA2 as well as DAA was disastrous, Nevermind retcons of many of the characters fates. They need to use official canon for DAO and have DA2 transfer over, especially if Hawke becomes a party member. The official canon is follows. The Warden's origin canonically was a Dalish Elf, gender not mentioned. He or she was killed when the Archdemon was killed and Alistair becomes king. All party members survive except Loghain. As for DA2, Hawke was a female mage who lost both siblings, but kept all party members but Sebastian after she sided with the mages and spared Anders. In outside of the games, Leliana became the Divine's left hand, Morrigan joins the court of Orlais, Sten becomes Arishok, Isabela and Varric journeyed with Alistair, and Wynne dies.
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#207 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

The rpg DOA is superior to all 3 Mass-Effect third person shooters.

 

Hopefully DAIII is nothing like ME, DA2, or ToR. DAO was Bioware's last real RPG.

Jankarcop

Rather have a better overall GAME than a better overall RPG.

 

DAO is a better overall game too.  And an actual RPG.

 

only ME1 comes close. The other two are movies with homosexual cut scenes.

No it wasn't...the gameplay in all three games was better and so was the narrative. The themes and characters were way more complex in ME series than they are in DAO....and unlike DAO, ME1 managed to build a world and have a strong plot to go with that (while ME1 was weak when it comes to character development).
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#209 Jankarcop
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[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Rather have a better overall GAME than a better overall RPG.texasgoldrush

 

DAO is a better overall game too.  And an actual RPG.

 

only ME1 comes close. The other two are movies with homosexual cut scenes.

No it wasn't...the gameplay in all three games was better and so was the narrative. The themes and characters were way more complex in ME series than they are in DAO....and unlike DAO, ME1 managed to build a world and have a strong plot to go with that (while ME1 was weak when it comes to character development).

 

Nope, I'm afraid DOA is a better game.  The tactical combat and rpg systems are far superior.   I guess Me has better story/characters, but DOA has better game.

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] No its overrated, Neverwinter Nights 2 was far better, and it came out two years before DAO did. And Mask of the Betrayer destroys DAO. So if I want to play a spiritual successor to BG2, I play NWN2.texasgoldrush

I thought you didn't like Obsidian but now you're praising KOTOR2 and NWN2?

Obsidian Fallout New Vegas, KOTOR II (modded with TSLRCM), and Mask of the Betrayer are awesome. NWN2 is OK. Alpha Protocol, Storm of Zehir, and Dungeon Siege III are terrible. They are hit and miss.

I enjoyed Alpha Protocol a lot. It was just short enough that you could bear through the shitty combat and annoying mini games to get to the hilarious dialogue. I loved how usually two out of three responses was Michael being a complete asshole.

And it has one of my favorite moments from any video game, the boss fight with Brayko. So over the top and silly. But I love games that don't take themselves seriously like Alpha Protocol, Saint's Row series, Poker Night at the Inventory, etc.

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#211 cain006
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

The rpg DOA is superior to all 3 Mass-Effect third person shooters.

 

Hopefully DAIII is nothing like ME, DA2, or ToR. DAO was Bioware's last real RPG.

Jankarcop

Rather have a better overall GAME than a better overall RPG.

 

DAO is a better overall game too.  And an actual RPG.

 

only ME1 comes close. The other two are movies with homosexual cut scenes.

Why the hell does it bother you that you can have gay relationships in Mass Effect 2/3? I never did them, but they're there if you want them. Nothing wrong with that.

Cortez's romance was terrible although pretty much all the romances have cheesy as hell dialogue.

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#212 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="cain006"]I thought you didn't like Obsidian but now you're praising KOTOR2 and NWN2?

cain006

Obsidian Fallout New Vegas, KOTOR II (modded with TSLRCM), and Mask of the Betrayer are awesome. NWN2 is OK. Alpha Protocol, Storm of Zehir, and Dungeon Siege III are terrible. They are hit and miss.

I enjoyed Alpha Protocol a lot. It was just short enough that you could bear through the shitty combat and annoying mini games to get to the hilarious dialogue. I loved how usually two out of three responses was Michael being a complete asshole.

And it has one of my favorite moments from any video game, the boss fight with Brayko. So over the top and silly. But I love games that don't take themselves seriously like Alpha Protocol, Saint's Row series, Poker Night at the Inventory, etc.

Brayko was one of the worst boss fights ever. However, AP as a whole is shockingly poorly written for a guy who did Planescape Torment. Maybe because the game went into dev hell and maybe the attention was more put on New Vegas. The real problem with AP is that its irrelevant and failed to capture the humanity of the story and its characters. Just because you are over the top doesn't mean you can't do this. Its no Mother series and its no Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragons Keep.
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#213 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Rather have a better overall GAME than a better overall RPG.cain006

 

DAO is a better overall game too.  And an actual RPG.

 

only ME1 comes close. The other two are movies with homosexual cut scenes.

Why the hell does it bother you that you can have gay relationships in Mass Effect 2/3? I never did them, but they're there if you want them. Nothing wrong with that.

Cortez's romance was terrible although pretty much all the romances have cheesy as hell dialogue.

No, most of ME3 romances are well done as are some of ME2's. They are not only for the most part, well written, but develop the characters even more. And I think most Bioware romances are crap, but ME2 and ME3 nails them. Some are cheesy, like Traynor and Garrus, while others are not, like Kaiden or Thane. It goes with the characters.
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#214 Jankarcop
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[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Rather have a better overall GAME than a better overall RPG.cain006

 

DAO is a better overall game too.  And an actual RPG.

 

only ME1 comes close. The other two are movies with homosexual cut scenes.

Why the hell does it bother you that you can have gay relationships in Mass Effect 2/3? I never did them, but they're there if you want them. Nothing wrong with that.

Cortez's romance was terrible although pretty much all the romances have cheesy as hell dialogue.

The homosexual nature doesn't bother me, its the forced nature and cheesy story/dialogue.

 

ME games are not as good as DAO nor as good RPGs.

 

Texasgoldrush has to understand hes not changing anyones opinion and his  opinion are not facts.

 

Gladly DA3 seems like a real RPG, unlike ME2/3 which are pure shooters.

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#215 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

 

DAO is a better overall game too.  And an actual RPG.

 

only ME1 comes close. The other two are movies with homosexual cut scenes.

Jankarcop

No it wasn't...the gameplay in all three games was better and so was the narrative. The themes and characters were way more complex in ME series than they are in DAO....and unlike DAO, ME1 managed to build a world and have a strong plot to go with that (while ME1 was weak when it comes to character development).

 

Nope, I'm afraid DOA is a better game.  The tactical combat and rpg systems are far superior.   I guess Me has better story/characters, but DOA has better game.

No, they are not. They are unbalanced as all hell. Hell, ME3 does tactics better than DAO does. For all its RPGness, DAO is shallow through lack of balance.
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#216 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

 

DAO is a better overall game too.  And an actual RPG.

 

only ME1 comes close. The other two are movies with homosexual cut scenes.

Jankarcop

Why the hell does it bother you that you can have gay relationships in Mass Effect 2/3? I never did them, but they're there if you want them. Nothing wrong with that.

Cortez's romance was terrible although pretty much all the romances have cheesy as hell dialogue.

The homosexual nature doesn't bother me, its the forced nature and cheesy story/dialogue.

 

ME games are not as good as DAO nor as good RPGs.

 

Texasgoldrush has to understand hes not changing anyones opinion and his  opinion are not facts.

 

Gladly DA3 seems like a real RPG, unlike ME2/3 which are pure shooters.

oh and ME2 and ME3 outsold and out did DAO critically...get over it. Those games are bigger landmarks to the gaming industry than DAO. DAO and the DA series will always be Bioware's secondary franchise.
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WWW.gamespot.com

Dragon Age Origins : 9.5

Mass Effect : 9.0

Mass Effect 2: 9.0

Mass Effect 3: 9.0

 

 

1. Texas, you suck at SW.

2. DA3 is now their main franchise now that ME is basically over and no new game is currently in production.  They know people hated ME3, TOR, and DAII. They are using it to redeem the company.

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#218 texasgoldrush
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WWW.gamespot.com

Dragon Age Origins : 9.5

Mass Effect : 9.0

Mass Effect 2: 9.0

Mass Effect 3: 9.0

 

 

1. Texas, you suck at SW.

2. DA3 is now their main franchise now that ME is basically over and no new game is currently in production.  They know people hated ME3, TOR, and DAII. They are using it to redeem the company.

Jankarcop
Haha...love the way you lack grasp of the facts. ME2 and ME3 have higher MC averages and higher sales. Both ME2 and ME3 are Biowares best selling games. So much for ME3 hate.... Oh, and news flash, the next Mass Effect game is currently in production with an all new story. But I guess you weren't paying attention.
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[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="cain006"]Why the hell does it bother you that you can have gay relationships in Mass Effect 2/3? I never did them, but they're there if you want them. Nothing wrong with that.

Cortez's romance was terrible although pretty much all the romances have cheesy as hell dialogue.

texasgoldrush

The homosexual nature doesn't bother me, its the forced nature and cheesy story/dialogue.

 

ME games are not as good as DAO nor as good RPGs.

 

Texasgoldrush has to understand hes not changing anyones opinion and his  opinion are not facts.

 

Gladly DA3 seems like a real RPG, unlike ME2/3 which are pure shooters.

oh and ME2 and ME3 outsold and out did DAO critically...get over it. Those games are bigger landmarks to the gaming industry than DAO. DAO and the DA series will always be Bioware's secondary franchise.

COD outsold ME3, does that make it a better game?

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[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

WWW.gamespot.com

Dragon Age Origins : 9.5

Mass Effect : 9.0

Mass Effect 2: 9.0

Mass Effect 3: 9.0

 

 

1. Texas, you suck at SW.

2. DA3 is now their main franchise now that ME is basically over and no new game is currently in production.  They know people hated ME3, TOR, and DAII. They are using it to redeem the company.

texasgoldrush

Haha...love the way you lack grasp of the facts. ME2 and ME3 have higher MC averages and higher sales. Both ME2 and ME3 are Biowares best selling games. So much for ME3 hate.... Oh, and news flash, the next Mass Effect game is currently in production with an all new story. But I guess you weren't paying attention.

DAO outscored every ME game. 

What are you even trying to argue? Its better.  DA3 is their main focus atm. End of discussion.  ME3 was hated by everyone.

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#221 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

WWW.gamespot.com

Dragon Age Origins : 9.5

Mass Effect : 9.0

Mass Effect 2: 9.0

Mass Effect 3: 9.0

1. Texas, you suck at SW.

2. DA3 is now their main franchise now that ME is basically over and no new game is currently in production. They know people hated ME3, TOR, and DAII. They are using it to redeem the company.

Jankarcop

Haha...love the way you lack grasp of the facts. ME2 and ME3 have higher MC averages and higher sales. Both ME2 and ME3 are Biowares best selling games. So much for ME3 hate.... Oh, and news flash, the next Mass Effect game is currently in production with an all new story. But I guess you weren't paying attention.

DAO outscored every ME game.

What are you even trying to argue? Its better. DA3 is their main focus atm. End of discussion. ME3 was hated by everyone.

Metacritic > Gamespot

And no, its not...they have the next ME game, but also a brand new IP that the MAIN studio is doing.

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#222 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

The homosexual nature doesn't bother me, its the forced nature and cheesy story/dialogue.

 

ME games are not as good as DAO nor as good RPGs.

 

Texasgoldrush has to understand hes not changing anyones opinion and his  opinion are not facts.

 

Gladly DA3 seems like a real RPG, unlike ME2/3 which are pure shooters.

CARNAGES41

oh and ME2 and ME3 outsold and out did DAO critically...get over it. Those games are bigger landmarks to the gaming industry than DAO. DAO and the DA series will always be Bioware's secondary franchise.

COD outsold ME3, does that make it a better game?

No, but it matters if you are going to call a game a failure. DAII was a commercial failure compared to other Bioware games, ME3 isn't.....and not only that, it is on pace to becoming the company's best selling game.
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#223 Jankarcop
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 Metacritic > Gamespot

 

texasgoldrush

You started the scores discussion, and only GS scores count here.

Its even part of the official rules.

 

 

DOA>ME1/2/3. Fact. Post at Metacritic forums if you want to discuss scores and then use scores from another site.

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#224 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

 Metacritic > Gamespot

 

Jankarcop

You started the scores discussion, and only GS scores count here.

Its even part of the official rules.

 

 

DOA>ME1/2/3. Fact. Post at Metacritic forums if you want to discuss scores and then use scores from another site.

Some arbitrary rule that doesn't matter in reality. If you go by GS, Last of Us is an average 8.0 game, while in the greater gaming community, GOTY front runner is more like it. Gamespot SW logic fails here.
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#225 Jankarcop
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So we'll use Metacritic instead because you said so? That seems just as arbitrary...

 

Since you brought up scores...How about we use the official rule stickied on this very forum? Lmao......:lol:

 

 

 

 

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Some arbitrary rule that doesn't matter in reality. If you go by GS, Last of Us is an average 8.0 game, while in the greater gaming community, GOTY front runner is more like it. Gamespot SW logic fails here.texasgoldrush

Durrrr last I heard the 2009 GotY here was Demon's Souls, not Uncharted 2

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[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

 

DAO is a better overall game too.  And an actual RPG.

 

only ME1 comes close. The other two are movies with homosexual cut scenes.

Jankarcop

Why the hell does it bother you that you can have gay relationships in Mass Effect 2/3? I never did them, but they're there if you want them. Nothing wrong with that.

Cortez's romance was terrible although pretty much all the romances have cheesy as hell dialogue.

The homosexual nature doesn't bother me, its the forced nature and cheesy story/dialogue.

 

ME games are not as good as DAO nor as good RPGs.

 

Texasgoldrush has to understand hes not changing anyones opinion and his  opinion are not facts.

 

Gladly DA3 seems like a real RPG, unlike ME2/3 which are pure shooters.

1. Forced? Cortez is a guy who a person wou;d not know is gay unless he told you. And nothing foces you into it. Someone telling you they are gay is not a forced gay anything.

2.DAO is a classic rpg.

ME is an action rpg.

This is like compering oranges to apples.

3. How is what happens with Cortez forcing homosexual nature worse then Zartheren in DAO hitting on the male main character? You're being biest.

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#228 dreman999
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So we'll use Metacritic instead because you said so? That seems just as arbitrary...

 

Since you brought up scores...How about we use the official rule stickied on this very forum? Lmao......:lol:

 

 

 

 

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1. Bw does nor care what game scores better or sells the most. If both do well, they are happy. 2. Apples to oranges. It's great that you like apples. I like oranges. Let's agree to disagree.
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Texas said DAO scored lower. When infact DAO scored higher than any ME.

 

This is a fact. Its not a debate. 

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WWW.gamespot.com

Dragon Age Origins : 9.5

Mass Effect : 9.0

Mass Effect 2: 9.0

Mass Effect 3: 9.0

 

 

1. Texas, you suck at SW.

2. DA3 is now their main franchise now that ME is basically over and no new game is currently in production.  They know people hated ME3, TOR, and DAII. They are using it to redeem the company.

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Not to defend Texasnutjob but any site that gave ME 3 a 9.0 has no credibility left and yes that includes FailSpot.
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#232 Vaasman
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Aaaaand thread ruined.

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I can't go into IGN forums and bring up game scores expecting everyone to think I was talking about a giantbomb score.

 

Texas is truley a fool. DAO > ME series.

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Texas said DAO scored lower. When infact DAO scored higher than any ME.

 

This is a fact. Its not a debate. 

Jankarcop
It did, on critic averages...taking an AVERAGE of a bunch of reviews. And DAO has a lower average than ME2 and ME3...and that's a FACT.
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#235 Jankarcop
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[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

Texas said DAO scored lower. When infact DAO scored higher than any ME.

 

This is a fact. Its not a debate. 

texasgoldrush

It did, on critic averages...taking an AVERAGE of a bunch of reviews. And DAO has a lower average than ME2 and ME3...and that's a FACT.

 

DAO scored higher than ME1/2/3.  9.5>9.0

 

This is an undeniable fact. You'd have to alter reality to chance this.  We don't use metacritic, and any pc gamer will laugh at average sites because pc games tend not to have nearly the review padding.

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Texas said DAO scored lower. When infact DAO scored higher than any ME.

 

This is a fact. Its not a debate. 

Jankarcop

'k. And the winner is still bw for getting those scores on those game and having sold so many copies.

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[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

WWW.gamespot.com

Dragon Age Origins : 9.5

Mass Effect : 9.0

Mass Effect 2: 9.0

Mass Effect 3: 9.0

 

 

1. Texas, you suck at SW.

2. DA3 is now their main franchise now that ME is basically over and no new game is currently in production.  They know people hated ME3, TOR, and DAII. They are using it to redeem the company.

Shielder7
Not to defend Texasnutjob but any site that gave ME 3 a 9.0 has no credibility left and yes that includes FailSpot.

The person who Game ME1,2 and 3 gave DRAGON AGE ORIGINS a 9.5. Truth be told nearly every site game the ME game a great score.
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#238 Shielder7
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I can't go into IGN forums and bring up game scores expecting everyone to think I was talking about a giantbomb score.

 

Texas is truley a fool. DAO > ME series.

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IMO DAO was extremely overrated and ME started out good stumbled and than completely dropped the ball. I don't expect much from DA 3 as Bioware is a mere shell of it's former self. I fully expect DA 3 to apply the EA formula i.e. Micro-transactions, Multiplayer and broader appeal. If you didn't like Dragon Effect I'm sure you'll all love Call Of Dragon.
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[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

 

DAO is a better overall game too.  And an actual RPG.

 

only ME1 comes close. The other two are movies with homosexual cut scenes.

texasgoldrush

Why the hell does it bother you that you can have gay relationships in Mass Effect 2/3? I never did them, but they're there if you want them. Nothing wrong with that.

Cortez's romance was terrible although pretty much all the romances have cheesy as hell dialogue.

No, most of ME3 romances are well done as are some of ME2's. They are not only for the most part, well written, but develop the characters even more. And I think most Bioware romances are crap, but ME2 and ME3 nails them. Some are cheesy, like Traynor and Garrus, while others are not, like Kaiden or Thane. It goes with the characters.

I disagree. My second playthrough of ME3 I was contemplating not doing a romance with Kaiden because it was so cringe inducing. But I did it with him in ME and did nothing in ME2 so I stuck through it.

Really all of the romances felt weird to me because I felt there should have been more dialogue. It's just like three conversations on the subject and then you're in bed. They should've been more fleshed out or just gone the hardly there route like in KOTOR.

And Brayko was an awesome boss fight, I was laughing the whole time. I didn't play Alpha Protocol for any serious reasons, it was just for cheap laughs and changing up the story. You can't approach every game as a serious thing in my opinion. I mean hell the game has you making jokes about a guy drinking bleach, you can shoot up CIA people for no reason whatsoever, a boss fight with cheesy 80s (?) music playing while he does cocaine, etc.

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

Texas said DAO scored lower. When infact DAO scored higher than any ME.

 

This is a fact. Its not a debate. 

Jankarcop

It did, on critic averages...taking an AVERAGE of a bunch of reviews. And DAO has a lower average than ME2 and ME3...and that's a FACT.

 

DAO scored higher than ME1/2/3.  9.5>9.0

 

This is an undeniable fact. You'd have to alter reality to chance this.  We don't use metacritic, and any pc gamer will laugh at average sites because pc games tend not to have nearly the review padding.

96 and 93 Metacritic that ME2 and ME3 got > 91 DAO got That is an undeniable fact, ME2 and ME3 have better critical acclaim than DAO.
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#241 Shielder7
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[QUOTE="Shielder7"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

WWW.gamespot.com

Dragon Age Origins : 9.5

Mass Effect : 9.0

Mass Effect 2: 9.0

Mass Effect 3: 9.0

 

 

1. Texas, you suck at SW.

2. DA3 is now their main franchise now that ME is basically over and no new game is currently in production.  They know people hated ME3, TOR, and DAII. They are using it to redeem the company.

dreman999
Not to defend Texasnutjob but any site that gave ME 3 a 9.0 has no credibility left and yes that includes FailSpot.

The person who Game ME1,2 and 3 gave DRAGON AGE ORIGINS a 9.5. Truth be told nearly every site game the ME game a great score.

I know the facts I simply don't know the Why or what drugs they were sent when reviewing ME 3.
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#242 Jankarcop
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9.5 > 9.0

 

We can both use whatever site we want, but in the end GS is the only one that counts or matters here. Sadly you lose this arguement.

 

 

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="cain006"]Why the hell does it bother you that you can have gay relationships in Mass Effect 2/3? I never did them, but they're there if you want them. Nothing wrong with that.

Cortez's romance was terrible although pretty much all the romances have cheesy as hell dialogue.

cain006

No, most of ME3 romances are well done as are some of ME2's. They are not only for the most part, well written, but develop the characters even more. And I think most Bioware romances are crap, but ME2 and ME3 nails them. Some are cheesy, like Traynor and Garrus, while others are not, like Kaiden or Thane. It goes with the characters.

I disagree. My second playthrough of ME3 I was contemplating not doing a romance with Kaiden because it was so cringe inducing. But I did it with him in ME and did nothing in ME2 so I stuck through it.

Really all of the romances felt weird to me because I felt there should have been more dialogue. It's just like three conversations on the subject and then you're in bed. They should've been more fleshed out or just gone the hardly there route like in KOTOR.

And Brayko was an awesome boss fight, I was laughing the whole time. I didn't play Alpha Protocol for any serious reasons, it was just for cheap laughs and changing up the story. You can't approach every game as a serious thing in my opinion. I mean hell the game has you making jokes about a guy drinking bleach, you can shoot up CIA people for no reason whatsoever, a boss fight with cheesy 80s (?) music playing while he does cocaine, etc.

No, there is a lot more dialogue, but really, they had a couple games worth of romance, you don't need a whole lot to do a lot. And the romances extended past the sex scene. Nevermind many romances can only be continued in ME3, not started. ME3 is the crescendo, the build up happened in the first two games. However, for characters like Jack and Thane, until the Citadel DLC, they were underdeveloped. But ME3 main cast members get 8 conversation opportunities and romances go into the DLC.
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Same ol shit, different thread...

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Desmonic"]Side note, I just learned that Bioware will make an effort to have your old saves with all the decisions you've made in both previous games be usable for DA:I. Hopefully this will manifest in actual story, quest and even world changes rather than just "Oh hey! Remember this dude from the previous game? Well here he is! Now move on..." This is already a bit old (it's from the 7th of August) but it has the potential to be great news should they make proper use of it! :P Also, they are planning on making at least 5 games...so uh...yeah..kinda strange they decided to put that out as well lolDesmonic

It will be very tough......they need to take DAO out of the save import. Its transfer into DA2 as well as DAA was disastrous, Nevermind retcons of many of the characters fates. They need to use official canon for DAO and have DA2 transfer over, especially if Hawke becomes a party member. The official canon is follows. The Warden's origin canonically was a Dalish Elf, gender not mentioned. He or she was killed when the Archdemon was killed and Alistair becomes king. All party members survive except Loghain. As for DA2, Hawke was a female mage who lost both siblings, but kept all party members but Sebastian after she sided with the mages and spared Anders. In outside of the games, Leliana became the Divine's left hand, Morrigan joins the court of Orlais, Sten becomes Arishok, Isabela and Varric journeyed with Alistair, and Wynne dies.

From a programming perspective it can be simple should they have made it in such a way that the new engine would only need to reach a bunch of "flags" from the previous saves (Aka, the engine would pose questions of "yes" or "no" answers and the flags in the saves would signal the answer as either yes or no). However the way they said it indicates this will not be the case, since they didn't really think that far into the future. They will have to do a more tedious and expensive save analyzis method but they basically confirmed that they will pull no stops to make it happen.

Now the other issue is what cannon to follow. The Dalish elf is the one that makes 100% due to the Eluvian being present in the start and Witch Hunt DLC. Since Morrigan is back it's obvious the Eluvian will have to "exist". Other than that I can see them making "small" adjustments as they go. It's a shame they didn't really plan the franchise from day one. They set it up in the hopes of that happening but didn't really go into the detail level they did with ME for example.

Also, are the books and such worth reading? Or is it knowledge one can easily enjoy and get from a quick google search?

The video in particular where they say it is this one: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2013/08/07/a-look-inside-dragon-age-inquisition-39-s-development.aspx

Another reason why the Dalish Elf origin is canon is because of Merrill and her story continuing in DA2 (she was introduced in Origins) and her time with the Eluvian. Although Human Noble could have worked because Hawke has lineage in that family. But if demons and the mirror are going to matter, than Dalish is the best canonical choice. Also using this canon, you don't have to worry about the Warden anymore, because he or she is dead. Focus more on Hawke in DAI. I do think they need to return Merrill in DAI, the story could easily go her direction with the demons as antagonists. But as for Hawke, making her a mage is a mistake. First off, as a mage DA2 is a lot worse when it comes to writing consistency than it was with a warrior or rogue. In fact, the story is actually pretty well written for those classes. Its the mage that has the writing issues, with Templars not recognizing her, for instance. Also, there was a lot of cut content for mages in Act I including an alternate storyline where she couldn't do many of the quests, and she would of had her own exclusive quests. Act I as a mage was supposed to be vastly different. Also, Bethany is killed, easily the more liked of the two siblings, but Carver is killed in canon as well (dies in the Deep Roads) so it doesn't matter. But really, they should have left DA2 open canon, but DAO had to have canon.
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[QUOTE="Shielder7"][QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Shielder7"] Not to defend Texasnutjob but any site that gave ME 3 a 9.0 has no credibility left and yes that includes FailSpot.

The person who Game ME1,2 and 3 gave DRAGON AGE ORIGINS a 9.5. Truth be told nearly every site game the ME game a great score.

I know the facts I simply don't know the Why or what drugs they were sent when reviewing ME 3.

It's called "It's a great game and not everyone nor majority has your taste."
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[QUOTE="Desmonic"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] It will be very tough......they need to take DAO out of the save import. Its transfer into DA2 as well as DAA was disastrous, Nevermind retcons of many of the characters fates. They need to use official canon for DAO and have DA2 transfer over, especially if Hawke becomes a party member. The official canon is follows. The Warden's origin canonically was a Dalish Elf, gender not mentioned. He or she was killed when the Archdemon was killed and Alistair becomes king. All party members survive except Loghain. As for DA2, Hawke was a female mage who lost both siblings, but kept all party members but Sebastian after she sided with the mages and spared Anders. In outside of the games, Leliana became the Divine's left hand, Morrigan joins the court of Orlais, Sten becomes Arishok, Isabela and Varric journeyed with Alistair, and Wynne dies.texasgoldrush

From a programming perspective it can be simple should they have made it in such a way that the new engine would only need to reach a bunch of "flags" from the previous saves (Aka, the engine would pose questions of "yes" or "no" answers and the flags in the saves would signal the answer as either yes or no). However the way they said it indicates this will not be the case, since they didn't really think that far into the future. They will have to do a more tedious and expensive save analyzis method but they basically confirmed that they will pull no stops to make it happen.

Now the other issue is what cannon to follow. The Dalish elf is the one that makes 100% due to the Eluvian being present in the start and Witch Hunt DLC. Since Morrigan is back it's obvious the Eluvian will have to "exist". Other than that I can see them making "small" adjustments as they go. It's a shame they didn't really plan the franchise from day one. They set it up in the hopes of that happening but didn't really go into the detail level they did with ME for example.

Also, are the books and such worth reading? Or is it knowledge one can easily enjoy and get from a quick google search?

The video in particular where they say it is this one: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2013/08/07/a-look-inside-dragon-age-inquisition-39-s-development.aspx

Another reason why the Dalish Elf origin is canon is because of Merrill and her story continuing in DA2 (she was introduced in Origins) and her time with the Eluvian. Although Human Noble could have worked because Hawke has lineage in that family. But if demons and the mirror are going to matter, than Dalish is the best canonical choice. Also using this canon, you don't have to worry about the Warden anymore, because he or she is dead. Focus more on Hawke in DAI. I do think they need to return Merrill in DAI, the story could easily go her direction with the demons as antagonists. But as for Hawke, making her a mage is a mistake. First off, as a mage DA2 is a lot worse when it comes to writing consistency than it was with a warrior or rogue. In fact, the story is actually pretty well written for those classes. Its the mage that has the writing issues, with Templars not recognizing her, for instance. Also, there was a lot of cut content for mages in Act I including an alternate storyline where she couldn't do many of the quests, and she would of had her own exclusive quests. Act I as a mage was supposed to be vastly different. Also, Bethany is killed, easily the more liked of the two siblings, but Carver is killed in canon as well (dies in the Deep Roads) so it doesn't matter. But really, they should have left DA2 open canon, but DAO had to have canon.

Hawke has lineage in the family mage wardens family , not the nobles. Added, Liliana's song has links to the city elf.
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Desmonic"]

From a programming perspective it can be simple should they have made it in such a way that the new engine would only need to reach a bunch of "flags" from the previous saves (Aka, the engine would pose questions of "yes" or "no" answers and the flags in the saves would signal the answer as either yes or no). However the way they said it indicates this will not be the case, since they didn't really think that far into the future. They will have to do a more tedious and expensive save analyzis method but they basically confirmed that they will pull no stops to make it happen.

Now the other issue is what cannon to follow. The Dalish elf is the one that makes 100% due to the Eluvian being present in the start and Witch Hunt DLC. Since Morrigan is back it's obvious the Eluvian will have to "exist". Other than that I can see them making "small" adjustments as they go. It's a shame they didn't really plan the franchise from day one. They set it up in the hopes of that happening but didn't really go into the detail level they did with ME for example.

Also, are the books and such worth reading? Or is it knowledge one can easily enjoy and get from a quick google search?

The video in particular where they say it is this one: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2013/08/07/a-look-inside-dragon-age-inquisition-39-s-development.aspx

dreman999
Another reason why the Dalish Elf origin is canon is because of Merrill and her story continuing in DA2 (she was introduced in Origins) and her time with the Eluvian. Although Human Noble could have worked because Hawke has lineage in that family. But if demons and the mirror are going to matter, than Dalish is the best canonical choice. Also using this canon, you don't have to worry about the Warden anymore, because he or she is dead. Focus more on Hawke in DAI. I do think they need to return Merrill in DAI, the story could easily go her direction with the demons as antagonists. But as for Hawke, making her a mage is a mistake. First off, as a mage DA2 is a lot worse when it comes to writing consistency than it was with a warrior or rogue. In fact, the story is actually pretty well written for those classes. Its the mage that has the writing issues, with Templars not recognizing her, for instance. Also, there was a lot of cut content for mages in Act I including an alternate storyline where she couldn't do many of the quests, and she would of had her own exclusive quests. Act I as a mage was supposed to be vastly different. Also, Bethany is killed, easily the more liked of the two siblings, but Carver is killed in canon as well (dies in the Deep Roads) so it doesn't matter. But really, they should have left DA2 open canon, but DAO had to have canon.

Hawke has lineage in the family mage wardens family , not the nobles. Added, Liliana's song has links to the city elf.

And the nobles as an Amell. But the Dalish storyline is by far the strongest link.
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Another reason why the Dalish Elf origin is canon is because of Merrill and her story continuing in DA2 (she was introduced in Origins) and her time with the Eluvian. Although Human Noble could have worked because Hawke has lineage in that family. But if demons and the mirror are going to matter, than Dalish is the best canonical choice. Also using this canon, you don't have to worry about the Warden anymore, because he or she is dead. Focus more on Hawke in DAI. I do think they need to return Merrill in DAI, the story could easily go her direction with the demons as antagonists. But as for Hawke, making her a mage is a mistake. First off, as a mage DA2 is a lot worse when it comes to writing consistency than it was with a warrior or rogue. In fact, the story is actually pretty well written for those classes. Its the mage that has the writing issues, with Templars not recognizing her, for instance. Also, there was a lot of cut content for mages in Act I including an alternate storyline where she couldn't do many of the quests, and she would of had her own exclusive quests. Act I as a mage was supposed to be vastly different. Also, Bethany is killed, easily the more liked of the two siblings, but Carver is killed in canon as well (dies in the Deep Roads) so it doesn't matter. But really, they should have left DA2 open canon, but DAO had to have canon.

Hawke has lineage in the family mage wardens family , not the nobles. Added, Liliana's song has links to the city elf.

And the nobles as an Amell. But the Dalish storyline is by far the strongest link.

No, the noble is Cousland. http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Human_Noble_Origin
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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Shielder7"] Not to defend Texasnutjob but any site that gave ME 3 a 9.0 has no credibility left and yes that includes FailSpot. Shielder7
The person who Game ME1,2 and 3 gave DRAGON AGE ORIGINS a 9.5. Truth be told nearly every site game the ME game a great score.

I know the facts I simply don't know the Why or what drugs they were sent when reviewing ME 3.

You know your opinion. Completely different thing from the "facts" ;)