DS is revolutionary for FPS says Gamespot.

@ConanTheStoner: just curious, what do you think about the triggers changing resistance depending on your action and the gun you're using? You find that just to be an incremental change? Have you played Cold War with the PS5 controller?

There is no secret sauce unlike you Lemming i never was on board with DX12 or your cloud YOU WERE and played blind to gaps as big as 720p vs 1080p.

Now if the gap in the 120FPS as big as 68% YES or NO?

Yeah i guess DF is also wrong on the PS5 punching above its weight but you say shit about that, because well it doesn't serve your argument like Ronvalencia so many times did you quote a source and believe only what you like from it.

The PS4 didn't need 1 year to show its gap it was there on launch palpable and visible were is the 30 to 40% you claim would be the advantage?

Is not my fault that the series X is underperforming neither is sony's fault just like it wasn't MS one when sony fu** up the PS3 by making it powerful but difficult to work with.

No i am a cow i am incapable of seeing good on any other controller other than the PS.

Now would you be quoting lemming if they claim their controller was revolutionary? a simple Yes or NO will do.

Thanks. 😂

Yes, absolutely, without a doubt.

If any Nintendo, Xbox, or PC gamer called a standard controller revolutionary, or said it's the best thing to happen to gaming without even trying one, I would give them the exact same ridicule.

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You always go straight for the "lem" card, stating to think you've confused me with another user. Thedork_knight uses the same avy as me and hates on all things PS. That's not me.

My current platform preference is PC>>>>Nintendo>Sony>>>>>>>>I literally have no interest in Xbox.

Oh, definitely not. Haven't bought a CoD game in over a decade, likely never will.

But yeah man, the standard controller design has been locked in for forever at this point. We see incremental additions and improvements over time, but I don't consider the stuff to be revolutionary or "the best thing to happen in gaming".

Even when I got the Elite 2, instantly thought it was the best standard controller I've ever used. The high end quality, the customization options, the 4 paddles allowing for extra input in games with busy control schemes. Still, I never considered it earth shattering stuff, just incremental improvements. And that's my favorite controller lol.

I'm not dunking on the Dualsense here, it's a great controller. I'm just dunking on Tormos ridiculous fanboy nonsense and hyperbole.

The Dualsense + better framerates and faster loading times makes PS5 the best place to play multiplats.

No bro i am not confuse with YOU i remember you and the james earl jones avatar you use to carry on the 360 days very well.😊

I just call it like i see it.

So yeah i stand by what i said, and just so you know is not only gamespot who thinks the controller is great but then again you TRY it right and you are the definition of totally impartial person right?😊

Just like you thought RDR2 would load in 5 seconds or less on PS5 after watching that fake video.

Soooo, then you remember that PS3 was my favorite console that gen? Not sure I follow.

I mean, I also think it's a great controller. What are you on about lol.

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Yeah, pretty much impartial when it comes to this forums shit. I can get fanboyish over specific games for sure, but systems and controllers? Nah, not into the brand loyalty shit. No weird commitments to hardware.

Within my reach right now, I see a Dualsense, two DS4s, a 360 controller, an Xbone controller, an Elite 2, pair of Joycons, Switch Pro controller, Hori Joycons, and a USB Sega Saturn pad. Over on the stand, a Hori RAP4 and Etoki Omni arcade sticks. Boxed up in the closet probably find a Steam controller, Hori Fighting Commander, and a bunch of other older controllers.

I just like video games and I try all kinds of controllers. Never know when I'll find my next new fav.

@tormentos: why do you still ignore the other 3 modes? Thats only because doesn't fit your narrative. What's higher 3 or 1?

@BassMan said:

@tormentos said:

@ConanTheStoner said:

@tormentos said:

NO but why should i know the thread is not based on MY OPINION, is based on GAMESPOT opinion.

@tormentos said:

I think the DS is the best thing to happen to gaming in a long long time.

Weird.

Yes and that is not based on my opinion is based on what gamespot say about the controller.

So based on what gamespot say i think is the best thing to happen to gaming in a long time.😊

Just like you thought RDR2 would load in 5 seconds or less on PS5 after watching that fake video.

Wasn't it 2.5 seconds?

Remember when you were calling the latest CoD game an exclusive to Playstation because it has an extra mode, well it exclusively has lower frame rates as well, enjoy that exclusivity, and the "best place to play multiplats" moniker however short lived.

Man you cows do it to yourselves all the time lol.

@Pedro said:

@BassMan said:

@tormentos said:

@ConanTheStoner said:

@tormentos said:

NO but why should i know the thread is not based on MY OPINION, is based on GAMESPOT opinion.

@tormentos said:

I think the DS is the best thing to happen to gaming in a long long time.

Weird.

Yes and that is not based on my opinion is based on what gamespot say about the controller.

So based on what gamespot say i think is the best thing to happen to gaming in a long time.😊

Just like you thought RDR2 would load in 5 seconds or less on PS5 after watching that fake video.

Wasn't it 2.5 seconds?

Something silly like that.

Yes just like many of you believe the PS5 would over heat and sound like a jet engine.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

At least i had the decency to admit i was wrong.

No your not.

@tormentos: I don't make silly assumptions or believe fanboy bullshit. I also don't hype shit that doesn't deserve hyping. I tell it like it is and shit on anything that deserves shitting on. Straight shooter all the way.

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Ok my friend, good talk.

Well if you must fit me into your weird fanboy fiction, at least put me in a camp that makes more sense. Calling me a lem when I have zero interest in Xbox, a bit strange right?

Shit, aside from a bit of Killer Instinct a few years back, I don't even play "Xbox games" on PC lol.

The poor guy has lost his shit, with PS5 being weaker, the SSD not being the magic drive and the myth of PC bottlenecks exploding in his face. Now, he thinks everyone is a lem.

I can say from first hand experience that it's definitely not. I thought I wouldn't like it and would turn it off by now, but not a chance that will happen. It really ties into the game and adds to the immersion.

It does and that is absolute trash.. anyone playing on m/kb on console that doesn't have a legitimate is a complete joke. They only use it to try and get an upper hand on controller users. Too bad that we can control out FOV on consoles now though... so the playing field is a LOT more even. I've been smacking PC and mouse users since the game dropped... it's pretty satisfying.

@the6millionlies: link showing cold War looking better on XSX? You can't just fling garbage and hope it sticks. Where's the link bruh?

I've literally put millions of rounds collectively through just about every firearm system most people can possibly imagine. I was a foreign weapons instructor and did two combat tours in Iraq while serving in the USMC. I say that because when you are using the trigger tension coupled with the haptic feedback and speaker in the controller it is about as close as a lot of people will probably ever get, especially in a controller. Sure, it's not the same and it isn't hard to tell for obvious reasons to those that are experienced with firearms or just using some common sense, but it is pretty convincing for what it is and easily adds a world of immersion that I didn't even realize was so sorely missing.
The break point of the triggers is amazing... Multiple shots on pistols in Cold War is something else. It really feels close to what pulling a trigger rapidly actually feels like (again within reason for obvious reasons ) coupled with the feedback on the fingers and hands. At full intensity it is pretty trippy. Obviously the recoil isn't there, but the sound and feel is really good. I went from thinking I would use it once and turn it off to being truly amazed at how good they actually did with the feature. I find myself wishing that all the games I own used the feature and not just Astro Bot and Cold War to this point. I will not be turning it off to say the least. The 3D audio and the controller put together and mixed with 4k and 120htz is truly next gen and that's not even adding the fact that loading is much faster.

There's his thread on the SW page.

It's pretty damned cool man.. not sure if it is revolutionizing gaming or not, but I went from thinking I wouldn't like the feature to feeling cheated when I play games that don't have it. I think it's one of those things you have to actually experience to appreciate.

The responsiveness is on point. I don't even usually like things like this and it isn't throwing me off at all. It actually gets me more in the zone if you will.

You are absolutely correct. There is no way they will be able to simulate recoil without lawsuits though.. lol
That said every single gun feels different on the controller. You can even look that up and read about it directly from the devs if you are doubting that. It's actually crazy how each gun feels different and even different levels of trigger resistance and feedback.

The thing I find the funniest is that all the people talking shit about the feature haven't even tried it yet. Kind of pointless arguing with people that have no horse in the race.

Bingo.. and in that sense it is damned good. Not the same, but in the heat of the moment it really draws you in with way more immersion than I've ever felt in a shooter. This coming from someone who didn't even like Cold Wars beta on the PS4. The PS5 controller makes the game WAY better.

The controller feels a lot closer to the real thing than an airsoft gun. Not the same by any means, but a good attempt none the less. Adding the amount of recoil a real firearm would produce would easily lead to people filing lawsuits.. lol.

That you do. It's more like an arcade experience with added tension. Kind of the like the difference between driving a real car and playing Forza if you will.

Of course lol It's their job to.

Still claiming the difference between consoles is 68% and ignoring experts reasoning for it being odd and likely to be abnormality rather than the norm.

Just like you constantly claimed 720p/1080p for the whole generation while ignoring the fact every other COD game from ghosts was not 720p/1080p.

But thats ok like I said I'll look forward to seeing this 68% YOU claimed was the difference in future games.

Unless of course you have changed your mind and its not an accurate representation of the difference and likely due to be API which could be fixed. Was it there yes it was just, just like there was big differences the other way (55/42 in RT for example). Its funny how your happy to take an image and claim what DF is saying/showing as fact but ignore the FACT they said dont take anything away from this game.

So you can keep claiming 68% as difference.

or

accept what DF said about taking nothing from the comparison.

I always turn rumble off, but i'm curious about these Dualsense effects. I has got nothing but praise! It must be super immersive in VR games.

Wow. That's really dumb.

If anything, gyro makes FPS better on consoles. Still shit compared to PC though.

1-The gaps is up to 75% on that game in performance mode, if you have a problem with math thats on you.

Does it hold in all the game? No it doesn't but it is there non the less.

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Meanwhile, in many of the gameplay areas we tested, PS5 is significantly faster and more consistent that Series X overall. It's conjecture on our part, but there is the sense that there's a graphics API bottleneck here that impacts performance on the Xbox side in some scenarios, while PS5 simply powers on.

Is not a FACT what they claim in fact they are very clear and call it a CONJECTURE on their part.

They believe is an API problem that doesn't = that it is.

Ray Tracing Quality Mode: This ramps resolution back up to 3840x2160, but it's using the same image reconstruction technique used in the high frame-rate mode in order to boost performance. The impact of RT is pretty large, however, and much of the experience plays out beneath 60 frames per second. On paper, Xbox has a lead - but it is vanishingly small - and in matched like-for-like content, PS5 actually manages to match Xbox performance for much of the duration, while in other scenes it's just 2-3fps behind. However, while difficult to pinpoint exactly owing to the lack of exact like-for-like gameplay, Xbox's gameplay performance advantage seems to open up here.

This is the more demanding mode and the gap between both is nothing basically 2 to 3 frames, which is funny because i used the RX5700 vs RX5700XT gap that was like 5FPS in some demanding games as proof that 1.8TF was nothing and you people didn't believe me, just like you didn't believe me either when i claimed the gap between the PS4 and xbox one would not be 3 to 5 frames more like some lemmings claimed.

In terms of correlating on-paper specs to the actual experience on-screen, PlayStation 5 is either punching above its weight, or Xbox Series X isn't delivering on the full potential promised by a bigger silicon investment and a much more substantial memory interface.

Or sony's fast and narrow + cache scrubber eliminate as many bottlenecks as possible sony's strategy is paying more than the series X way, same way the 360 pay off for MS for been dev friendly.

You simply give credit to what you like, and while they don't point at the % they say it is significantly faster on PS5 on that more.

Definition of significant

1: having meaningespecially : SUGGESTIVEa significant glance

2a: having or likely to have influence or effect : IMPORTANTa significant piece of legislationalso : of a noticeably or measurably large amount a significant number of layoffs producing significant profits

3-The PS4 had several games that were 1080p while been 720p on xbox one, no where on this forum did i claim all games were like that, unlike you.

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Take all your images and videos put them on 50" screen, sit 10 feet away and honestly say there is a difference that would make you choose a console over another. Even sat 6 feet away the differences wont be enough.

According to your sorry self if i seat 6 feet from my TV i would not be able to tell any difference, not that i need to since the xbox series X is so wonderfully under performing vs the PS5.

Remember it was you people who claimed 30 to 40%.

So 40% gap in hardware in 2013 was enough to produce a 100+% pixel gap, the same was true for the xbox one X in 2017, but now i don't see that 40% the 2 games we have seen are a total mix, one is better in a mode on PS5 considerably the other are better on xbox from normal gap to almost identical, while ACV has steadier frames from what have see until now and drop less in resolution side as well apparently.

So unlike 2017 and 2013 were we would see the gap on 2020 we hardly can, just like i predicted the gap is relatively small to a point were the PS5 is able to keep up resolution wise and even beat the series X.😂

Will that happen all generation long? NO i don't think so i think the series X will probably have a few more pixels or frames when the generation kicks in, but for now enjoy my prediction becoming reality.😎

To be honest, that's the first time I ever seen anyone thinking that you are Thedork_knight even though you both use the same avi but Thedork_knight is a little different compare to yours Conan.

I never thought he was thedork_knight, i know who conan is here for a long time.

He actually thought that i confuse him with other poster.

@tormentos: Yeah? You sure could've fooled me lol.

So easy to get you to create an essay, but its more easy for you to agree with df when it suits, argue against when it doesn't and totally ignore the fact they said "take nothing from this comparison".

Your prediction evident by the constant posting is it will be 68%-75% difference. Otherwise why not say that in all the posts you put.

Which is way more stupid than 40% you claim people said.

So again the PS5 punching over its weight or the xbox underperforming have the same effect, both consoles are super close to the point were the PS5 can beat the series X.

That wasn't what you people have been selling since the PS5 was confirm to be 10TF.

No that is what you want to ride because well you have NOTHING to beat my argument, feel free to quote me saying all games will be 68% to 75% faster on PS5.

Now does DNC5 runs up to 75% faster on PS5 on performance mode? Yes it does and is killing you.

No is not you make a 30 to 40% claim which hasn't materialize, and mind you 40% more power on PS4 materialized since launch, 900p vs 1080p was 45% already without taking into notice faster frames on PS4 as well.

720p vs 1080p was 100%+ pixel gap so that 40% on paper gap produced 100%+ delta in some games.

Other like BF4 had 40% resolution on top of 10FPS faster.

The same could be say about the xbox one X vs the Pro were resolution gaps as big as 100+% were recorded as well from 45% gpu gap.

Here we haven't see anything but a few frames.

So if you actually think (back tracking now I see) the difference wont be 68% Why

Did you immediately post claiming it was

excluded the fact DF thought it was an API issue.

So big boy answer this

If a bit of time was spent on the series X to fix the API issue (according to df) you think that 68% difference would still be there?

You know the delusion has gone to a whole new level when @conanthestoner is being called biased. That's like blaming the Netherlands for WW2.

Thank you Steam Controller.

The ps5 controller is amazing. Its weaker system than the XSX, and weaker graphics and frames, but they did such an amazing job on the controller it makes up for everything else. I dont know about fps games. I did try the cod on ps5 and felt that the controller was actually really good accuracy but I doubt it will ever come close to a mouse. With that said, I dont think it needs to either

You mean the auto aim/aim assist has been smacking PC mouse users. Are you even playing the game bro? hehe :)

I like to actually be in control of my aim and do so in the most efficient and precise way possible. M+KB is always the best way to play FPS games.

Regardless of input device, COD MP is trash.

You can't spin it the PS5 version is up to 75% faster in performance mode.

DF THINK is the API and they are clear about it, just like they think the PS5 is punching over its weight you can't have it both ways.

Either DF is right about everything or nothing pick one.

So again by DF own claims the gap in favor of the xbox is SMALL to almost identical the gap in favor of the PS5 is significant.

So again pick one either all they say is true or isn't.

punching over its weight - meaning its performing better than expected or the combining of its resources allows it perform better than the individual components.

Doesn't make sense and in their expert opinion has to be something wrong that isnt hardware and likely API

Dont take anything from this comparison

All stated by DF and I agree with them all.

As I said before you would have to more respect saying PS5 is a lot closer in this game than people thought. Instead of claiming its 68% difference, now you just look stupid.

Now answer my question

If a bit of time was spent on the series X to fix the API issue (according to df) you think that 68% difference would still be there?

So again you try to discredit one of the part they say while at the same time trying to validate another and you end up looking like a total fool.

So It doesn't make sense that sony approach is paying off and the PS5 is punching above its weight, but it make sense that it is an API problem.

You don't get it do you the gap is as big as 75% on that mode period, is not sustained but it is as big the xbox drops to the 60's while the PS5 remains over 100 frames that is a SIGNIFICANT gap which DF state as well.

So 3 mods are either almost a tie and 2 small wins for the xbox and 1 mode is significantly faster on PS5.

This is what DF conclusion is.

If the xbox has an api issue how come it doesn't affect all modes, just the one with higher frames?

From what i read and it is total speculation at this point but we may find out soon, the PS5 CPU actually has better cache than the series X one, which is resulting better performance in CPU intensive task, this would truly be lol worthy considering the series X CPU is faster.

Is may be the reason why ACV you see drops on series X when entering village and there is lots of people.

We have 2 games with 2 scenarios that could be linked to CPU problem, as good as DX12 is it never was more efficient than Sony's tool which only targe 1 console unlike DX12.

Maybe the problem here is related to the abstraction found on DX rather than been just a bad APi as well as better cache on the PS5 CPU side.

I think it will be more interesting for racing games.

...because using a controller to play an FPS is very silly

I can see how you mixed that up so let me clarify

punching over its weight - meaning its performing better than expected or the combining of its resources allows it perform better than the individual components. - meaning they are pointing out the PS5 is better than they expected.

Doesn't make sense and in their expert opinion has to be something wrong that isnt hardware and likely API - meaning they think while the PS5 is close in other settings this wasn't expected and there is most likely a reason behind it and could be solved.

and the last time of saying they also said

"Dont take anything from this comparison"

I agree with all, the PS5 is doing better than I thought and the combination must be paying off.

I agree even with that in their mind there suggestion something is affecting one mode and not the others (they only said it for one mode). Its impossible for the hardware difference to create that big a difference without software playing a part. I also believe it could be fixed.

I also agree with them saying take nothing wait for more.

I am agreeing wtih what DF said

Now if you cant answer a simply question then be gone with you, your just repeating the same shit when there is no point as I agree with DF.

If a bit of time was spent on the series X to fix the API issue (according to df) you think that 68% difference would still be there?