dude I play halo and and I can tell you this.... Killzone 3 8.5> Halo ODST 9.

LOL at people who agree with OTHER people's opinions without even touching the game :D

Long live PS3 and Shapshooter Killzone 3

dude i know maths and I can tell you this... 9 > 8.5.

it's obviously about opinion, but here in SW, gamespot scores are the law. atleast that's what it looks like.

I think most people agree that ODST's 9.0 is an atrocity. Killzone 3's 8.5 seems justified to me

I think most people agree that ODST's 9.0 is an atrocity. Killzone 3's 8.5 seems justified to me

BPoole96

For all i know KZ3 could have deserved an 8.5, but ODST DEFINITELY didn't deserve a 9

I think most people agree that ODST's 9.0 is an atrocity. Killzone 3's 8.5 seems justified to me

BPoole96

Honestly, ODST is probably the most over rated game of this generation on Gamespot. Thats not to say the game is bad, it's great fun, but it wasn't a 9 and it wasn't worth sixty dollars. Still, it's at least a solid 8 or 7.5.

Lemme tell ya... being better than ODST doesn't take much effort. It was only an expansion after all.

Why doesn't ODST deserve a 9.0? The campaign was excellent & different, firefight was superb (much better than Reach), & it came with the Halo 3 multiplayer, which is my favourite multiplayer shooter on any platform, plus all the map packs. Was a pretty easy 9.0 to me.

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I think most people agree that ODST's 9.0 is an atrocity. Killzone 3's 8.5 seems justified to me

WilliamRLBaker

ok now a couple poeple... LOL! Killzone is different than reach.... Killzone 3 came out early this year and took a hard hit because of it due to reviewers reserving those scores for another milked franchise like CoD.... KZ3 is original and a breath of fresh air in the first person genre!

I thought even most 360 owners agreed that ODST wasn't deserving of a 9. Personally, I'd compare KZ3 against Reach. DethSkematik

Saying you play Halo doesn't hide your obvious Cow fanboyism. A lot of people seem pretty butthurt that the halo killer flopped again.

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I think most people agree that ODST's 9.0 is an atrocity. Killzone 3's 8.5 seems justified to me

dabigsiebowski

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I think most people agree that ODST's 9.0 is an atrocity. Killzone 3's 8.5 seems justified to me

dabigsiebowski

I'll defend it as well. I really don't get the hate. I've always thought people bought into the expansion rumour before its release. For what it's worth, I'm no fanboy.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I think most people agree that ODST's 9.0 is an atrocity. Killzone 3's 8.5 seems justified to me

WilliamRLBaker

Yeah that's why I said most people instead of everyone...

[QUOTE="dabigsiebowski"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I think most people agree that ODST's 9.0 is an atrocity. Killzone 3's 8.5 seems justified to me

BPoole96

[QUOTE="DethSkematik"]I thought even most 360 owners agreed that ODST wasn't deserving of a 9. Personally, I'd compare KZ3 against Reach. worknow222

I think most people agree that ODST's 9.0 is an atrocity. Killzone 3's 8.5 seems justified to me

BPoole96

Wrong. People freaking out over ODST's 9.0 are the multiplayer-centric crowd. ODST has a quality campaign with some beautiful atmospheric touches that just hasn't been seen in Halo before. And Firefight presented an awesome new way to play cooperatively in Halo.

Trust me, it deserved a 9. Any fan of singleplayer shooters will tell you that. The fact that it is an expansion to Halo 3 and uses the same graphics engine is basically what ticked people off. But it's a gem and it goes unappreciated because kids these days only want to run forward in a straight line shooting angry looking targets instead of trying to sidestep around enemies, avoid danger and scavenge the limited supplies available to them as they find the clues to their teammates and see the story of the city unfold through the various audio logs. It was an expansion, didn't have multiplayer of its own and people over-reacted, but ODST is a case of quality over quantity.

And while an 8.5 isn't much different than a 9.0,Killzone 3's 8.5 probably stems from the fact it more than likely involves running in a straight line shooting angry targets and that's what the kids love these days. Oh and it has a new multiplayer component. The kids love that too.

I think games are judged based on how well they use the modes they have, not the quantity of modes, and ODST used each of its modesreally well.

[QUOTE="worknow222"][QUOTE="DethSkematik"]I thought even most 360 owners agreed that ODST wasn't deserving of a 9. Personally, I'd compare KZ3 against Reach. DethSkematik

Such as? elaborate plzzz

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I think most people agree that ODST's 9.0 is an atrocity. Killzone 3's 8.5 seems justified to me

NeonNinja

Wrong. People freaking out over ODST's 9.0 are the multiplayer-centric crowd. ODST has a quality campaign with some beautiful atmospheric touches that just hasn't been seen in Halo before. And Firefight presented an awesome new way to play cooperatively in Halo.

Trust me, it deserved a 9. Any fan of singleplayer shooters will tell you that. The fact that it is an expansion to Halo 3 and uses the same graphics engine is basically what ticked people off. But it's a gem and it goes unappreciated because kids these days only want to run forward in a straight line shooting angry looking targets instead of trying to sidestep around enemies, avoid danger and scavenge the limited supplies available to them as they find the clues to their teammates and see the story of the city unfold through the various audio logs. It was an expansion, didn't have multiplayer of its own and people over-reacted, but ODST is a case of quality over quantity.

And while an 8.5 isn't much different than a 9.0,Killzone 3's 8.5 probably stems from the fact it more than likely involves running in a straight line shooting angry targets and that's what the kids love these days. Oh and it has a new multiplayer component. The kids love that too.

I think games are judged based on how well they use the modes they have, not the quantity of modes, and ODST used each of its modesreally well.

Figured I would be wrong when I base the game off of things I've learned about it in SWs

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I think most people agree that ODST's 9.0 is an atrocity. Killzone 3's 8.5 seems justified to me

NeonNinja

Wrong. People freaking out over ODST's 9.0 are the multiplayer-centric crowd. ODST has a quality campaign with some beautiful atmospheric touches that just hasn't been seen in Halo before. And Firefight presented an awesome new way to play cooperatively in Halo.

Trust me, it deserved a 9. Any fan of singleplayer shooters will tell you that. The fact that it is an expansion to Halo 3 and uses the same graphics engine is basically what ticked people off. But it's a gem and it goes unappreciated because kids these days only want to run forward in a straight line shooting angry looking targets instead of trying to sidestep around enemies, avoid danger and scavenge the limited supplies available to them as they find the clues to their teammates and see the story of the city unfold through the various audio logs. It was an expansion, didn't have multiplayer of its own and people over-reacted, but ODST is a case of quality over quantity.

And while an 8.5 isn't much different than a 9.0,Killzone 3's 8.5 probably stems from the fact it more than likely involves running in a straight line shooting angry targets and that's what the kids love these days. Oh and it has a new multiplayer component. The kids love that too.

I think games are judged based on how well they use the modes they have, not the quantity of modes, and ODST used each of its modesreally well.

This is what I was too lazy to type out, so I'll quote it. I can't decide if the ODST campaign is my favourite in the series, probably because it's so different from the rest.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I think most people agree that ODST's 9.0 is an atrocity. Killzone 3's 8.5 seems justified to me

NeonNinja

Wrong. People freaking out over ODST's 9.0 are the multiplayer-centric crowd. ODST has a quality campaign with some beautiful atmospheric touches that just hasn't been seen in Halo before. And Firefight presented an awesome new way to play cooperatively in Halo.

Trust me, it deserved a 9. Any fan of singleplayer shooters will tell you that. The fact that it is an expansion to Halo 3 and uses the same graphics engine is basically what ticked people off. But it's a gem and it goes unappreciated because kids these days only want to run forward in a straight line shooting angry looking targets instead of trying to sidestep around enemies, avoid danger and scavenge the limited supplies available to them as they find the clues to their teammates and see the story of the city unfold through the various audio logs. It was an expansion, didn't have multiplayer of its own and people over-reacted, but ODST is a case of quality over quantity.

And while an 8.5 isn't much different than a 9.0,Killzone 3's 8.5 probably stems from the fact it more than likely involves running in a straight line shooting angry targets and that's what the kids love these days. Oh and it has a new multiplayer component. The kids love that too.

I think games are judged based on how well they use the modes they have, not the quantity of modes, and ODST used each of its modesreally well.

whoa dude.... I'm gonna say this but Halo's story is B-movie quality compared to a lot of games out there. Hl2 and Deus Ex did a better job years ago and even before halo was dropped to the masses.... You walk around a nearly deserted city that's dark and you have flash backs of mediocre action scenes filled with done before halo gameplay.dabigsiebowski

I thought you were comparing ODST with Flopzone 3? Now you're hiding behind Deus Ex and HL2. So predictable..

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I think most people agree that ODST's 9.0 is an atrocity. Killzone 3's 8.5 seems justified to me

BPoole96

Wrong. People freaking out over ODST's 9.0 are the multiplayer-centric crowd. ODST has a quality campaign with some beautiful atmospheric touches that just hasn't been seen in Halo before. And Firefight presented an awesome new way to play cooperatively in Halo.

Trust me, it deserved a 9. Any fan of singleplayer shooters will tell you that. The fact that it is an expansion to Halo 3 and uses the same graphics engine is basically what ticked people off. But it's a gem and it goes unappreciated because kids these days only want to run forward in a straight line shooting angry looking targets instead of trying to sidestep around enemies, avoid danger and scavenge the limited supplies available to them as they find the clues to their teammates and see the story of the city unfold through the various audio logs. It was an expansion, didn't have multiplayer of its own and people over-reacted, but ODST is a case of quality over quantity.

And while an 8.5 isn't much different than a 9.0,Killzone 3's 8.5 probably stems from the fact it more than likely involves running in a straight line shooting angry targets and that's what the kids love these days. Oh and it has a new multiplayer component. The kids love that too.

I think games are judged based on how well they use the modes they have, not the quantity of modes, and ODST used each of its modesreally well.

Figured I would be wrong when I base the game off of things I've learned about it in SWs

Oh. I thought you had played it. :P

If someone is looking for a quality campaign, ODST provides it. It has some flaws, but that's bound to happen when you make an experimental expansion. It doesn't follow the traditional Halo formula, those who search will find that the game mirrors Dante's Inferno, at first through audio logs and then through the game world itself as you fight to the end. It's an intelligent shooter, but much of it will be lost to the typical Call of Duty crowd that like explosions in the established military genre. :P

[QUOTE="DethSkematik"][QUOTE="worknow222"] I bet it was because the graphics wernt new just halo 3 with a few new textures, but who cares ODST WAS BRILLIANT!!!!alfredooo

Such as? elaborate plzzz

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I think most people agree that ODST's 9.0 is an atrocity. Killzone 3's 8.5 seems justified to me

dabigsiebowski

Wrong. People freaking out over ODST's 9.0 are the multiplayer-centric crowd. ODST has a quality campaign with some beautiful atmospheric touches that just hasn't been seen in Halo before. And Firefight presented an awesome new way to play cooperatively in Halo.

Trust me, it deserved a 9. Any fan of singleplayer shooters will tell you that. The fact that it is an expansion to Halo 3 and uses the same graphics engine is basically what ticked people off. But it's a gem and it goes unappreciated because kids these days only want to run forward in a straight line shooting angry looking targets instead of trying to sidestep around enemies, avoid danger and scavenge the limited supplies available to them as they find the clues to their teammates and see the story of the city unfold through the various audio logs. It was an expansion, didn't have multiplayer of its own and people over-reacted, but ODST is a case of quality over quantity.

And while an 8.5 isn't much different than a 9.0,Killzone 3's 8.5 probably stems from the fact it more than likely involves running in a straight line shooting angry targets and that's what the kids love these days. Oh and it has a new multiplayer component. The kids love that too.

I think games are judged based on how well they use the modes they have, not the quantity of modes, and ODST used each of its modesreally well.

Yes. Because I was talking about the game's story as the major reason to play through it. :roll: Not only are you focusing on something trivial, but you misunderstood the sentence where I mentioned the "story of the city" which is the audio logs.

I don't need to hear about Deus Ex or Half-Life. They have nothing to do with this conversation.

I think games are judged based on how well they use the modes they have, not the quantity of modes, and ODST used each of its modesreally well.

NeonNinja

whoa dude.... I'm gonna say this but Halo's story is B-movie quality compared to a lot of games out there. Hl2 and Deus Ex did a better job years ago and even before halo was dropped to the masses.... You walk around a nearly deserted city that's dark and you have flash backs of mediocre action scenes filled with done before halo gameplay.dabigsiebowski

There are two types of Halo fans. I've thought about this, so hear me out. Halo will always be outclassed in terms of storytelling when put up against Half Life. The folks that love Halo (myself included) have loved the story since Combat Evolved. It's a fairly good, simple story and our love for it is more nostalgia driven than anything. Halo 2 and 3 were a little lacking, but the damage was already done. We like the Halo lore so completely, and that's what brings us back. Anyone else jumping into the series won't get it the way we do. And regarding the hop-ons, that's fan number 2. These guys are mostly multiplayer-driven, and it's something Halo excels at totally so that love is completely justified. Halo's multiplayer (almost sandboxy now) is still more unique compared to the COD-lites taking the multiplayer world by storm.

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]I think games are judged based on how well they use the modes they have, not the quantity of modes, and ODST used each of its modesreally well.

white_sox

To each their own, naturally. I felt fine paying $60 for it as I spent well over 20 hours playing it when I first got it (campaign and Firefight of course). It personally took me 8 hours to go through the campaign but that's because I would go about exploring nooks and crannies I guess.

[QUOTE="dabigsiebowski"]whoa dude.... I'm gonna say this but Halo's story is B-movie quality compared to a lot of games out there. Hl2 and Deus Ex did a better job years ago and even before halo was dropped to the masses.... You walk around a nearly deserted city that's dark and you have flash backs of mediocre action scenes filled with done before halo gameplay.Sharpie125

There are two types of Halo fans. I've thought about this, so hear me out. Halo will always be outclassed in terms of storytelling when put up against Half Life. The folks that love Halo (myself included) have loved the story since Combat Evolved. It's a fairly good, simple story and our love for it is more nostalgia driven than anything. Halo 2 and 3 were a little lacking, but the damage was already done. We like the Halo lore so completely, and that's what brings us back. Anyone else jumping into the series won't get it the way we do. And regarding the hop-ons, that's fan number 2. These guys are mostly multiplayer-driven, and it's something Halo excels at totally so that love is completely justified. Halo's multiplayer (almost sandboxy now) is still more unique compared to the COD-lites taking the multiplayer world by storm.

I agree with what you're saying. I like the Halo lore enough. It's nothing spectacular and yeah, most people that jump on midway just won't get into it the same way. Case in point, Reach's ending was really designed for those that stuck with the series from day one.

But I wasn't even talking about ODST's story as a major reason to play it. The undertones and themes are cool, but the basic story itself is, well, basic. :P

[QUOTE="white_sox"]

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]I think games are judged based on how well they use the modes they have, not the quantity of modes, and ODST used each of its modesreally well.

NeonNinja

To each their own, naturally. I felt fine paying $60 for it as I spent well over 20 hours playing it when I first got it (campaign and Firefight of course). It personally took me 8 hours to go through the campaign but that's because I would go about exploring nooks and crannies I guess.

It's not that Killzone should of got more but Halo should of got less. Take Gamespot FPS reviews with a grain of salt. For example: Killzone 3 8.5 and Perfect Dark Zero 9.0 I rest my case.headninjadog

Yeah, go read the guidelines. :roll:

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[QUOTE="white_sox"]...kinda hard to reach full potential when the game doesn't even have matchmaking. The game shouldn't (and was planned to) cost $60. It's a 5 hour campaign, pretty linear and forgettable iirc.

Microsoft1234

To each their own, naturally. I felt fine paying $60 for it as I spent well over 20 hours playing it when I first got it (campaign and Firefight of course). It personally took me 8 hours to go through the campaign but that's because I would go about exploring nooks and crannies I guess.

Again, to each their own. I won't tell someone they're wrong for not enjoying what I enjoyed when we both played the same game. I got a lot of value out of it, in fact, ODST is what I'm currently replaying on Legendary. :P

But I'm not going to tell someone they're not allowed to dislike the game if they dislike the game.

...kinda hard to reach full potential when the game doesn't even have matchmaking. The game shouldn't (and was planned to) cost $60. It's a 5 hour campaign, pretty linear and forgettable iirc.

white_sox

I played through the campaign twice by myself, once with my cousin, & multiple times online. I played through Firefight with my cousin for countless hours... Awesome memories.

[QUOTE="headninjadog"]It's not that Killzone should of got more but Halo should of got less. Take Gamespot FPS reviews with a grain of salt. For example: Killzone 3 8.5 and Perfect Dark Zero 9.0 I rest my case.waltefmoney

Yeah, go read the guidelines. :roll:

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I think most people agree that ODST's 9.0 is an atrocity. Killzone 3's 8.5 seems justified to me

NeonNinja

Wrong. People freaking out over ODST's 9.0 are the multiplayer-centric crowd. ODST has a quality campaign with some beautiful atmospheric touches that just hasn't been seen in Halo before. And Firefight presented an awesome new way to play cooperatively in Halo.

Trust me, it deserved a 9. Any fan of singleplayer shooters will tell you that. The fact that it is an expansion to Halo 3 and uses the same graphics engine is basically what ticked people off. But it's a gem and it goes unappreciated because kids these days only want to run forward in a straight line shooting angry looking targets instead of trying to sidestep around enemies, avoid danger and scavenge the limited supplies available to them as they find the clues to their teammates and see the story of the city unfold through the various audio logs. It was an expansion, didn't have multiplayer of its own and people over-reacted, but ODST is a case of quality over quantity.

And while an 8.5 isn't much different than a 9.0,Killzone 3's 8.5 probably stems from the fact it more than likely involves running in a straight line shooting angry targets and that's what the kids love these days. Oh and it has a new multiplayer component. The kids love that too.

I think games are judged based on how well they use the modes they have, not the quantity of modes, and ODST used each of its modesreally well.

I'm just baffled at how KZ2 got a 9.0 and KZ3 got a 8.5.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Yeah, go read the guidelines. :roll:

headninjadog

So you spread wisdom about something you're not familiar with?

We judge more critically as time goes by, because our expectations as game players are constantly increasing. When we review a game, we consider it at the exact point in time at which the evaluation is taking place (generally, the week of a game's release) and compare it to what we believe to be the current standards of quality at that time.Gamespot

Killzone 3: February 2011
Perfect Dark Zero: November 2005

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="headninjadog"]It's not that Killzone should of got more but Halo should of got less. Take Gamespot FPS reviews with a grain of salt. For example: Killzone 3 8.5 and Perfect Dark Zero 9.0 I rest my case.headninjadog

Yeah, go read the guidelines. :roll:

You can't spread wisdom if you don't know what you're talking about. The guidelines state that standards change and so what was a 9.0 before won't be a 9.0 later if it doesn't improve on itself. PDZ got a 9.0 in 2005, however standards have changed for the genre since 2005. So pointing out PDZ getting a 9.0 in comparison to KZ3's 8.5 just shows that you don't know how GS does things.

Which means you're not spreading wisdom....... Sorry. Somebody had to tell you. :P

I played through the campaign twice by myself, once with my cousin, & multiple times online. I played through Firefight with my cousin for countless hours... Awesome memories.Twin-Blade

[QUOTE="headninjadog"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]I'm not here to read guidelines. I'm here to spread wisdom.waltefmoney

So you spread wisdom about something you're not familiar with?

We judge more critically as time goes by, because our expectations as game players are constantly increasing. When we review a game, we consider it at the exact point in time at which the evaluation is taking place (generally, the week of a game's release) and compare it to what we believe to be the current standards of quality at that time.Gamespot

Killzone 3: February 2011
Perfect Dark Zero: November 2005