Duke Nukem Forever: Flop of the year ?

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Infamous 2 has 85 on metacritic, and 90+ on user review scores. It's seems more that gamespot was a bit of an outlier, than the game itself being a flop. Afterall, they did give it one of the worst scores of any gaming website.

Duke Nukem on the other hand seems to universally be reviewed as a bad game and a flop, it's metacritic is 50 and if it's getting scores as low as 3/10 it must be REALLY bad.

topgunmv

I wonder what's so special about the pc version.

I think with all the hype, the name and constant success of Duke Nukem then this comes out, i say it has to be the flop of the year.

I think that Duke Nukem Forever is the flop of all the entire gaming history. Not only was it the longest time a game was made but it turned out to be horrible as well. Yeah Prey was also delayed for a long time as well but at least it was considered a decent game. I saw the walkthrough for DNF and sadly it really looks horrible. I knew the game wouldn't get a perfect 10 or even a 9 or something but I never thought it would be really bad. I thought it would get an 8 at least. It's sad since Gearbox was the one who made it and they are well known for making good shooters. I guess Duke is really dead unless the developers try again but make it good. Fail to the King indeed.

Now that it's a fact everyone can say they expected it to suck, but I expected more from Gearbox.

KiZZo1

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] see i don't understand that, maybe here on this site its a "flop" but ign and gametrailers have given it 9's and game informer has given it a 8.75. Hardly call it a flop and everyone has been digging it so far. Duke is the flop of the year because its been 10 years in development, been pushed back so many times this year and hasn't been getting favorable reviews. But then again i'm sure you have no intention on playing infamous 2 and maybe your a hermit/or lemming who is happy to see a ps3 exclusive not do to well here. hmmmm?Dante2710

Flop= someone who can't afford the $5 or $60 try the game for them self, instead they solely rely on someones biased opinion.

Not much hype behind it, just excitement to play it, if it sucks it sucks. I'll still rent it.

I think Infamous 2 still hasn't been dethroned

[QUOTE="Dante2710"][QUOTE="The_Capitalist"] Gamespot score isnt even an outlier, please stop spreading false information. [QUOTE="Zensword"]inFamous 2 is not flop considering it average 84 on Metacritic.Chris_Williams

dont use damage control man

lol the game here is that if it does worse on gamespot then its hype thread it is a flop

so... basically, if SMG2 got a 7 here but 10s everywhere else it is still a flop.. Just ane example

It can't flop if you expect it to suck. mrmusicman247

That's why I say inFamous 2 is flop of the year so far. Everyone expected AA-AAA and some cows were even proclaiming GOTY.

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]It can't flop if you expect it to suck. Doolz2024

That's why I say inFamous 2 is flop of the year so far. Everyone expected AA-AAA and some cows were even proclaiming GOTY.

I personally thoguht it was going to be garbage, but many others didn't.

Hyped AA

Now it is time for everyone to get excited for Doug Huggem.

Whose ready for sober game night?8)

I haven't gotten my copy yet. But I look forward to the Duke. I am just glad that I will be able to play another Duke game after all these years.

What I disliked playing from the demo is the two weapon system. What in the world were they thinking? I would much prefer the old school way where you can carry all the weapons just like in Half-Life 2.

I think that Duke Nukem Forever is the flop of all the entire gaming history. Not only was it the longest time a game was made but it turned out to be horrible as well. Yeah Prey was also delayed for a long time as well but at least it was considered a decent game. I saw the walkthrough for DNF and sadly it really looks horrible. I knew the game wouldn't get a perfect 10 or even a 9 or something but I never thought it would be really bad. I thought it would get an 8 at least. It's sad since Gearbox was the one who made it and they are well known for making good shooters. I guess Duke is really dead unless the developers try again but make it good. Fail to the King indeed.

Warhawk_

PC version is getting a lot of 8/10 scores, which isn't bad at all. The game is disappointing, though.

If not worse flop so at least worse game this year or gen.

I'm only on the 4th level but I honestly don't see how this game is deemed "mediocre". Don't get me wrong, it's not a 9+ or anything, screw that but it's, I can't explain it...fresh I guess. It's like nothing I've played this gen amongst the insane amount of FPS's that have come out. Maybe when I complete the game I'll see how "bad" it is but right now I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as these reviews and a lot of the consensus amongst the gaming community is making it out to be.

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I think that Duke Nukem Forever is the flop of all the entire gaming history. Not only was it the longest time a game was made but it turned out to be horrible as well. Yeah Prey was also delayed for a long time as well but at least it was considered a decent game. I saw the walkthrough for DNF and sadly it really looks horrible. I knew the game wouldn't get a perfect 10 or even a 9 or something but I never thought it would be really bad. I thought it would get an 8 at least. It's sad since Gearbox was the one who made it and they are well known for making good shooters. I guess Duke is really dead unless the developers try again but make it good. Fail to the King indeed.

1PMrFister

This is correct. The ENTIRE game was completed by 3D Realms at least the PC version. Gearbox just polished it and got other developers on board to port the game to the consoles. SO, what you are playing is essentially a 3D Realms game.

But I agree I would like to see how Gearbox would build a Duke game from the ground up of course with an updated engine. I think Duke has a lot of legs left. Hopefully it won't take them freaking 14 years to make the game.

inFAMOUS 2 says no. At least it had hype.

Grawse

Infamous 2 was this year's first Double Flop. DNF may reach that achievement as well once the GS review is out. I will get it eventually just as a novelty since it was considered vaporware for so along

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inFAMOUS 2 says no. At least it had hype.

ermacness

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I think that Duke Nukem Forever is the flop of all the entire gaming history. Not only was it the longest time a game was made but it turned out to be horrible as well. Yeah Prey was also delayed for a long time as well but at least it was considered a decent game. I saw the walkthrough for DNF and sadly it really looks horrible. I knew the game wouldn't get a perfect 10 or even a 9 or something but I never thought it would be really bad. I thought it would get an 8 at least. It's sad since Gearbox was the one who made it and they are well known for making good shooters. I guess Duke is really dead unless the developers try again but make it good. Fail to the King indeed.

1PMrFister

Well if that's the case then hopefully Gearbox gets a second chance in making a Duke game that only they can make themselves without 3D Realms messing it up. I will admit I was harsh of what I said in my earlier comments before so I really hope that the Duke will get back on his feet again with proper care this time.

I'd say it is one of the biggest flops in gaming history considering how much time, effort and hype went into it.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/117/1175639p1.html

The Ign review...

I'm only on the 4th level but I honestly don't see how this game is deemed "mediocre". Don't get me wrong, it's not a 9+ or anything, screw that but it's, I can't explain it...fresh I guess. It's like nothing I've played this gen amongst the insane amount of FPS's that have come out. Maybe when I complete the game I'll see how "bad" it is but right now I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as these reviews and a lot of the consensus amongst the gaming community is making it out to be.

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There are plenty of reasons to believe Duke Nukem: Forever is terrible.

The problem lies in that even though it can look and may seem fresh, it's not. It could literally be called "Generic First Person Shooter, Starring Duke Nukem." DNF simply fails to deliver and falls beneath standards. Everything screams either "generic" or "dated;" all except for Duke himself, who screams "nostalgia." The level design was linear (like most military shooters), which comes as a stark contrast to Duke Nukem 3D, in which levels had a sense of exploration to them with the open-ended, asymmetrical level design. Giving the player even the smallest sense of exploration can make their experience unique. Forever on the other hand, forces you through one pre-determined path, with regenerative health and a two weapon carry limit (all of which are poor design choices when you're even somewhat pandering games to veteran gamers). The core gameplay itself is dated and flawed in many ways. I might as well have been playing an on-rail shooter. The AI was a joke, basically just running forward and shooting. The graphics were dated, as well; the textures were muddy and the character models were original Xbox quality. But I really didn't expect much in the graphical department to begin with, but it simply looks sub-standard at best. Its off-beat, crude humor has an odd charm to it, but that alone can't save this from ultimately being generic trash.

Don't you people here judge the size of flops based on how high a game is hyped versus what it finally scores?

Anyway, anyone who expected this game to score well were delusional. That said, I can't wait to get my mits on it. Based on the demo, it's going to be one of the best gaming experiences I have this year.

Yeah, it's a major flop. I was expecting at least an average of 8.5 but all the reviews so far says it's horrible.XenogearsMaster

Its not far off. 7.6 on PC according to Metacritic. Sometimes you gotta pay attention to all platforms its on, like how New Vegas was 7.5 on consoles here, 8.5 on PC.

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]Yeah, it's a major flop. I was expecting at least an average of 8.5 but all the reviews so far says it's horrible.ChubbyGuy40

Its not far off. 7.6 on PC according to Metacritic. Sometimes you gotta pay attention to all platforms its on, like how New Vegas was 7.5 on consoles here, 8.5 on PC.

That's a little different though.

In the case of Fallout: New Vegas the game on PC was significantly better than consoles in every way, which was reflected by a site like GS giving diverging scores.

In the case of Duke Nukem, we don't have examples of sites giving diverging scores, we don't have a single example of that yet. What's happened so far is that a few reviewers that exclusively review PC games, like PC Gamer and PC Games Germany are giving higher scores, despite noting similar problems as other reviewers of other versions, seemingly because those outlets happen to be less offended by what they describe as the outdated gameplay and shallow story.

When using Game Rankings or Metacritic you can't really compare across platform because many outlets do not review all versions of the game. We need to wait to read the body of reviews for sites that score multiple versions before we can get a sense of the differences between versions beyond the obvious that we can see with our eyes and discern from the demo.

I don't have much faith that any version will be fundamentally different than another. It just doesn't seem like the kind of game where that would be the case, being an uncomplicated shooter. It's just my guess, but I'm betting if your someone who thinks the 360 version truly sucks because its shallow and outdated, you won't feel much differently about the PC version.

Flop of the year? More like flop of all eternity.

No not at all. There were many threads predicting its failure. Quite the opposite for Infamous 2 :P

Maybe they should have released later and it would have sucked more than Superman 64.

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[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]Yeah, it's a major flop. I was expecting at least an average of 8.5 but all the reviews so far says it's horrible.Seiki_sands

Its not far off. 7.6 on PC according to Metacritic. Sometimes you gotta pay attention to all platforms its on, like how New Vegas was 7.5 on consoles here, 8.5 on PC.

That's a little different though.

In the case of Fallout: New Vegas the game on PC was significantly better than consoles in every way, which was reflected by a site like GS giving diverging scores.

In the case of Duke Nukem, we don't have examples of sites giving diverging scores, we don't have a single example of that yet. What's happened so far is that a few reviewers that exclusively review PC games, like PC Gamer and PC Games Germany are giving higher scores, despite noting similar problems as other reviewers of other versions, seemingly because those outlets happen to be less offended by what they describe as the outdated gameplay and shallow story.

When using Game Rankings or Metacritic you can't really compare across platform because many outlets do not review all versions of the game. We need to wait to read the body of reviews for sites that score multiple versions before we can get a sense of the differences between versions beyond the obvious that we can see with our eyes and discern from the demo.

I don't have much faith that any version will be fundamentally different than another. It just doesn't seem like the kind of game where that would be the case, being an uncomplicated shooter. It's just my guess, but I'm betting if your someone who thinks the 360 version truly sucks because its shallow and outdated, you won't feel much differently about the PC version.

Well, it seems that DNF on PC seems to be better than the 360 in every way. A lot of the technical issues that apparently plagued the game (muddy textures, resolution, long load times), are essentially non-existent in the PC version.

Going by Gamespot, inFamous 2 flopped heavily, which had serious hype. DNF had no hype...everyone thought it was going to be terrible. Now, I am buying DNF due to the fact that I enjoyed all the previous ones and frankly, the game looks hillarious.

I don't know how. The game looked like crap from the start. The demo just confirmed it. millerlight89

The game took like 20 years to come out, I think that's where the "flop" part comes from. :P

let's make a list of all the people who had it on their most anticipated FPS lists

Infamous 2 currently wears that crown.