DVD size limiting Project Gotham Racing 4

[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="mazdaspeed-rx8"][QUOTE="wmc540"]

[QUOTE="mazdaspeed-rx8"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]ill say it again there hasent been or isnt a game out there or coming out on the ps3 that couldent be done on the 360mazdaspeed-rx8

There are plenty of demos on the market place???

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="mazdaspeed-rx8"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]Cows have convince me that DVD9 is holding back gaming, especially PC gaming.mazdaspeed-rx8

Do you know why PC games are installed on the HDD yet are still shipped on one DVD9?

You still didn't answer my question.

[QUOTE="mazdaspeed-rx8"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="mazdaspeed-rx8"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]Cows have convince me that DVD9 is holding back gaming, especially PC gaming.LosDaddie

Do you know why PC games are installed on the HDD yet are still shipped on one DVD9?

You still didn't answer my question.

Cows have convince me that DVD9 is holding back gaming, especially PC gaming.LosDaddie

Isn't Microsoft a King of compression? I didn't think they would have a problem with storage capacity.

Regardless, even if they didn't redo the textures I doubt many would care since you're wizzing about the road in excess of 100 mph. Only if you crash or stop will you pay some attention to the surroundings.

DementedDragon

I paid $500 dollars CDN + tax for my 360, and its some serious money, i think i deserve to get the best even the surroundings.

According to your logic. You only clean wat you see in ur room but u dont clean wats underneath ur bed. hmm.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="mazdaspeed-rx8"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="mazdaspeed-rx8"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]Cows have convince me that DVD9 is holding back gaming, especially PC gaming.mazdaspeed-rx8

Do you know why PC games are installed on the HDD yet are still shipped on one DVD9?

You still didn't answer my question.

Nope. Maybe I should've left out the 2nd part of the question because you seem overly hung up on it.

Do you know why PC games are installed on the HDD? (hint...it has something to do with the optical drive's speed)

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]Cows have convince me that DVD9 is holding back gaming, especially PC gaming.Limbutus

Guildwars + WoW + CS said no it isnt.

each one of those games have 3 Million+ people playing the game.

[QUOTE="DementedDragon"]

Isn't Microsoft a King of compression? I didn't think they would have a problem with storage capacity.

Regardless, even if they didn't redo the textures I doubt many would care since you're wizzing about the road in excess of 100 mph. Only if you crash or stop will you pay some attention to the surroundings.

def_mode

I paid $500 dollars CDN + tax for my 360, and its some serious money, i think i deserve to get the best even the surroundings.

According to your logic. You only clean wat you see in ur room but u dont clean wats underneath ur bed. hmm.

Well the monster under my bed refuses to let me clean there. ^_~

I'm not favoring a half-assed approach in a game; it's just some details can be sacrificed without the gamers notice.

Let's read the entire quote, shall we ?

"You won't see different times of day per city because this involves recreating all the textures again (one for day and one for night). Whilst this wasn't a problem for our dev team, it was a problem fitting all this data onto a single DVD. So we've worked around the problem by providing different lighting models per city. For example, Macau is always in the daytime, but if you play it during a storm everything looks darker and more foreboding. If you play during a blizzard then things are slightly tinged blue and everything seems more frozen. Of course, playing this track in sunshine will make everything appear bright and yellowy."

Forza_2

sadly noone ever reads the whole quote...

[QUOTE="Forza_2"]

Let's read the entire quote, shall we ?

"You won't see different times of day per city because this involves recreating all the textures again (one for day and one for night). Whilst this wasn't a problem for our dev team, it was a problem fitting all this data onto a single DVD. So we've worked around the problem by providing different lighting models per city. For example, Macau is always in the daytime, but if you play it during a storm everything looks darker and more foreboding. If you play during a blizzard then things are slightly tinged blue and everything seems more frozen. Of course, playing this track in sunshine will make everything appear bright and yellowy."

souledge474

sadly noone ever reads the whole quote...

....especially cows in SW.

[QUOTE="mazdaspeed-rx8"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="mazdaspeed-rx8"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="mazdaspeed-rx8"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]Cows have convince me that DVD9 is holding back gaming, especially PC gaming.LosDaddie

Do you know why PC games are installed on the HDD yet are still shipped on one DVD9?

You still didn't answer my question.

Nope. Maybe I should've left out the 2nd part of the question because you seem overly hung up on it.

Do you know why PC games are installed on the HDD? (hint...it has something to do with the optical drive's speed)

2. Compress the files to fit game then once on the install stage uncompress all the files.

Did everyone hear Microsoft ditchin the 360 next year.. and gates is leaving microsoft..All signs of the downfall of the xbox..Games that is on the 360 will never be truly next gen because they have to limit everythin jus to fit their games on dvd and its not as powerful as the PS3..MIcrosoft and their rushed system i dont need their games..I have my new pc soon to play it..and it wont break down on meps3gen

youre trying really hard to justify your ps3 purchase arent you?

2. Compress the files to fit game then once on the install stage uncompress all the files.

mazdaspeed-rx8

1. they can access the files alot faster.(but that is common sense, didnt think i would have to asnwer taht for you)mazdaspeed-rx8

I already knew that. I just wanted to see if you knew that as well. That's why I asked the question and gave you the hint. But go ahead and believe that I didn't know this....:roll:

FYI: All devs would install their games (consoles & PC) their games on an HDD if they could. An HDD will always be faster than the optical disc drive.

2. Compress the files to fit game then once on the install stage uncompress all the files.

mazdaspeed-rx8

All games are compressed on consoles, even PS3 games. Letting the console hardware decompress game data is much faster than streaming it from the DVD/Blu-ray. So, console devs actually compress their data to speed up load times.

In reality, the PS3's 2x BR drive is worse than the x360's 12x DVD drive. Devs want faster drive/transfer speeds. Worst case, putting a game on 2 DVD9s would still be cheaper than on one BR disc.

[QUOTE="ps3gen"]Did everyone hear Microsoft ditchin the 360 next year.. and gates is leaving microsoft..All signs of the downfall of the xbox..Games that is on the 360 will never be truly next gen because they have to limit everythin jus to fit their games on dvd and its not as powerful as the PS3..MIcrosoft and their rushed system i dont need their games..I have my new pc soon to play it..and it wont break down on meParadiddleFill

youre trying really hard to justify your ps3 purchase arent you?

Its true all games on the 360 is most likely on the PC which will play and run better,and with all the problems Microsoft have with 360 hardware they will probaly pull the plug on it really soon..I also know what exclusive games the PS3 is gettin and its a long list of great ones...i did my research and you lemming is goin to be eating your words up..:D..

Its true all games on the 360 is most likely on the PC ps3gen

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="ps3gen"]Did everyone hear Microsoft ditchin the 360 next year.. and gates is leaving microsoft..All signs of the downfall of the xbox..Games that is on the 360 will never be truly next gen because they have to limit everythin jus to fit their games on dvd and its not as powerful as the PS3..MIcrosoft and their rushed system i dont need their games..I have my new pc soon to play it..and it wont break down on meps3gen

youre trying really hard to justify your ps3 purchase arent you?

Its true all games on the 360 is most likely on the PC which will play and run better,and with all the problems Microsoft have with 360 hardware they will probaly pull the plug on it really soon..I also know what exclusive games the PS3 is gettin and its a long list of great ones...i did my research and you lemming is goin to be eating your words up..:D..

I just love it how all the cows have become hardcore PC gamers this gen.:D

[QUOTE="ps3gen"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="ps3gen"]Did everyone hear Microsoft ditchin the 360 next year.. and gates is leaving microsoft..All signs of the downfall of the xbox..Games that is on the 360 will never be truly next gen because they have to limit everythin jus to fit their games on dvd and its not as powerful as the PS3..MIcrosoft and their rushed system i dont need their games..I have my new pc soon to play it..and it wont break down on meLosDaddie

youre trying really hard to justify your ps3 purchase arent you?

Its true all games on the 360 is most likely on the PC which will play and run better,and with all the problems Microsoft have with 360 hardware they will probaly pull the plug on it really soon..I also know what exclusive games the PS3 is gettin and its a long list of great ones...i did my research and you lemming is goin to be eating your words up..:D..

I just love it how all the cows have become hardcore PC gamers this gen.:D

PC and ps3 is the ultimate combo you play the good 360 games on the pc and you cant get the good ps3 games on the PC so you need the ps3. win win situation. and i dont have to worry about either of them 3 red lighting me

PC and ps3 is the ultimate combo you play the good 360 games on the pc and you cant get the good ps3 games on the PC so you need the ps3. win win situation. and i dont have to worry about either of them 3 red lighting meresistancemang

[QUOTE="ps3gen"]Its true all games on the 360 is most likely on the PC hydrophoboe

They said it was a problem fitting it in.....but they still fit it in. Doesn't mean it's limiting PGR4 since they still managed to put it in there. Devs know how to use Compression Programs.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="ps3gen"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="ps3gen"]Did everyone hear Microsoft ditchin the 360 next year.. and gates is leaving microsoft..All signs of the downfall of the xbox..Games that is on the 360 will never be truly next gen because they have to limit everythin jus to fit their games on dvd and its not as powerful as the PS3..MIcrosoft and their rushed system i dont need their games..I have my new pc soon to play it..and it wont break down on meresistancemang

youre trying really hard to justify your ps3 purchase arent you?

Its true all games on the 360 is most likely on the PC which will play and run better,and with all the problems Microsoft have with 360 hardware they will probaly pull the plug on it really soon..I also know what exclusive games the PS3 is gettin and its a long list of great ones...i did my research and you lemming is goin to be eating your words up..:D..

I just love it how all the cows have become hardcore PC gamers this gen.:D

PC and ps3 is the ultimate combo you play the good 360 games on the pc and you cant get the good ps3 games on the PC so you need the ps3. win win situation. and i dont have to worry about either of them 3 red lighting me

the ultimate combo would actually be PC+360+Wii, and it would cost less than yours

[QUOTE="ps3gen"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="ps3gen"]Did everyone hear Microsoft ditchin the 360 next year.. and gates is leaving microsoft..All signs of the downfall of the xbox..Games that is on the 360 will never be truly next gen because they have to limit everythin jus to fit their games on dvd and its not as powerful as the PS3..MIcrosoft and their rushed system i dont need their games..I have my new pc soon to play it..and it wont break down on meLosDaddie

youre trying really hard to justify your ps3 purchase arent you?

Its true all games on the 360 is most likely on the PC which will play and run better,and with all the problems Microsoft have with 360 hardware they will probaly pull the plug on it really soon..I also know what exclusive games the PS3 is gettin and its a long list of great ones...i did my research and you lemming is goin to be eating your words up..:D..

I just love it how all the cows have become hardcore PC gamers this gen.:D

Most fanboys don't even care about those games anyways. Now all of a sudden they want them because of the chance they're coming to pc. :|

[QUOTE="hydrophoboe"][QUOTE="ps3gen"]Its true all games on the 360 is most likely on the PC lostn

Well, Counter Strike Source, Battlefield 2, Age of Empire 3, Commandos 3, Sims 2, Doom 3, have all been recent games and have about 4 cds...And they arent very Powerful games either....So why wouldent Crysis?? Anyways your prolly use to playing games like Starcraft, or Diablo 1 which requires 1 disc....Name the last Pc game you played??

Blanco98

[QUOTE="Blanco98"]

Well, Counter Strike Source, Battlefield 2, Age of Empire 3, Commandos 3, Sims 2, Doom 3, have all been recent games and have about 4 cds...And they arent very Powerful games either....So why wouldent Crysis?? Anyways your prolly use to playing games like Starcraft, or Diablo 1 which requires 1 disc....Name the last Pc game you played??

johnusabeis

Yeah i know! Its called a single DVD9.

wow. it looks like MS decision to not use nex gen formats are starting to bite them in the ass. Imagine how much better GTAIV could be? Thanks alot MS.deadhead127

[QUOTE="deadhead127"]wow. it looks like MS decision to not use nex gen formats are starting to bite them in the ass. Imagine how much better GTAIV could be? Thanks alot MS.ParadiddleFill

crysis says hello

is Crysis on one DVD?

Wait, did ANYONE read the whole quote? He didn't say anything about DVD hindering their progress. They're using different lighting models instead of different textures.......

Yes, he's saying that all the extra textures would have trouble fitting onto a DVD, but Bizzare are doing something more realistic and more effective than different texture sets. God, just look at you all -.-

ill say it again there hasent been or isnt a game out there or coming out on the ps3 that couldent be done on the 360ParadiddleFill

Are you sure? Are you a developer of any of those PS3games?

[QUOTE="lostn"][QUOTE="hydrophoboe"][QUOTE="ps3gen"]Its true all games on the 360 is most likely on the PC hydrophoboe

wow. it looks like MS decision to not use nex gen formats are starting to bite them in the ass. Imagine how much better GTAIV could be? Thanks alot MS.deadhead127

exactly dude, ms shouldve never ****ing bought gta4 off rockstar they shouldve left that game ps3 and it wouldve been a masterpiece i know itll come out and be pretty huge even on 360 but it could be waaaaay bigger of a game ps3 exclusive

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]Yeah, pretty much, the rest of this thread (I'm about to read) is surely to be damage control. Blu-Ray seems to be needed (atleast somewhat now)Forza_2

The only ones owned are the ones who didn't read the entire comment.

"You won't see different times of day per city because this involves recreating all the textures again (one for day and one for night). Whilst this wasn't a problem for our dev team, it was a problem fitting all this data onto a single DVD. So we've worked around the problem by providing different lighting models per city. For example, Macau is always in the daytime, but if you play it during a storm everything looks darker and more foreboding. If you play during a blizzard then things are slightly tinged blue and everything seems more frozen. Of course, playing this track in sunshine will make everything appear bright and yellowy."

yeah but now theres no "Macau" track at night, u fail hard

[QUOTE="deadhead127"]wow. it looks like MS decision to not use nex gen formats are starting to bite them in the ass. Imagine how much better GTAIV could be? Thanks alot MS.ParadiddleFill

crysis says hello

Crysis says PC.

So let me get this straight. They can't fit textures on a dvd9 but they can provide lighting models for other scenes? I call bs. They can just recreate a darker night-time lighting model as well. I'd be fricken hard-pressed to find out if any track uses more than 50-100mb of textures. Remember, all textures have to be loaded into the video ram for every level.

I have a feeling that it's not that dvd9 is small, it's their engine that sucks. You don't need to recreate textures for night-time environments. You can create sub-masks if need be, but proper lighting engine is something that really dominates the appearance.

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="deadhead127"]wow. it looks like MS decision to not use nex gen formats are starting to bite them in the ass. Imagine how much better GTAIV could be? Thanks alot MS.Trading_Zoner

crysis says hello

is Crysis on one DVD?

Im pretty sure it will be. If it is, you cows will lose the whole boo-ray argument. Even if its 1GB more then the DVD.

[QUOTE="Amnesiacx"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="deadhead127"]wow. it looks like MS decision to not use nex gen formats are starting to bite them in the ass. Imagine how much better GTAIV could be? Thanks alot MS.ParadiddleFill

crysis says hello

Whats this even mean?

I'm pretty sure when Crysis releases...the amount of data you'll have to install on your hard drive, could probably not even fit on a premium 360 console.

how can crysis release more data then is stored on its dvd space? it doesnt make any sense

Um it's easily possible. Some games require you to donwload big patches to play.

And give me a link where it's been announced that the game will be on a single DVD.

[QUOTE="hydrophoboe"][QUOTE="lostn"][QUOTE="hydrophoboe"][QUOTE="ps3gen"]Its true all games on the 360 is most likely on the PC lostn

ps I have no idea what happened to the tags.

[QUOTE="lostn"][QUOTE="hydrophoboe"][QUOTE="lostn"][QUOTE="hydrophoboe"][QUOTE="ps3gen"]Its true all games on the 360 is most likely on the PC hydrophoboe

ps I have no idea what happened to the tags.

In other news: PS3's highly anticapted up coming title Gran Turismo 5, is not really restricted at all by Blu-ray and the inclusion of a hard drive in every PS3. Win.

Rhys555

Gran Turismo. :lol: