EA: Halo Infinite to blame for 2042's failure

Evident by the rise in numbers on previous Battlefield. People didn't migrate to Halo, they migrated to previous DICE games. Because Battlefield 2042 is so god awful.

But then again, EA is also claiming that the low Steam review scores are because of 'a performance issue'

They can say whatever they want and not a single gaming outlet has the balls to prove them differently.

@R4gn4r0k:

Great episode. ;)

Edit: WTH, why aren't the gifs working?

Whelp, that pretty much leaves me Speechless. Well played cows, well played. lolol :P

I think EA is just trying to pile on Xbox like the media has over the past few weeks. The acquisitions had journalists crying about monopolies and this and that. I think EA tried to sneak a Xbox jab in there, while removing some of the blame from themselves.

BF 2042 is garbage, plain and simple. EA just needs to look in the mirror

Doesn't matter. Halo is a console centric game and rocks on Xbox.

It matters as EA is trying to deflect blame to console fanbase even though Battlefield is PC centric.

I suspect more people buy Battlefield on console than PC.

And BF is on PlayStation. The blame game being played by EA here is silly. It hardly makes sense. BF2042 bombed because of the quality of the game. EA won't keep this from happening again until they identify, and correct the mistakes they've made internally. And with COD having a down year, and Halo not exactly setting the PC space on fire, EA had their best opportunity for success in a very long time. And they blew it...

And more people bought Battlefield on Xbox than Halo apparently...

Look at all the Salty fanboys. 😂 Halo Infinite was the best FPS game last year and it's only going to get better once Co-Op, Forge, Ray Tracing, New Maps, New Modes.

In other news:

Sack or garbage studio officer, Laura lies on the internet.

Isn't Battlefield a Multiplayer focus game? Why are folks comparing a free to play game to Battlefield using monthly sales ?🤔

I would suspect so, since Battlefield isn't on Game Pass....

There's a campaign for sale...

One game has been getting extremely negative press since launch. EVERYBODY knows the game is bad. And it's outselling the Xbox flagship (*campaign) on the Xbox platform as well as overall. Game Pass was supposed to increase exposure and raise game sales. Maybe we are getting the confirmation on a few narratives surrounding the Halo series and Game Pass. Not nearly as many people care about the campaign as originally thought. (which is a shame because its quite unique and good) Game Pass is eating into the sales potential (likely a reason to make the multiplayer f2p) And separating the multiplayer and making it f2p had a negative impact on the sales potential as well. Something else I was told wouldn't happen. Now the f2p portion COMBINED with the campaign aren't even in the top 5 most played games on the Xbox platform... The game is far newer than most games on the list.

Folks can't use NPD rankings and sales charts as metrics for success one minute, and then totally disregard them when it doesn't fit the narrative.


BUT on topic, Halo isn't the reason for BF2042's problems. EA had a perfect storm of a down COD and whatever you want to call Halo's performance. (meh to good imo) The door was left open for Battlefield to take over the FPS arena, and they blew it... At least Activision is out there acting like adults, and taking full blame and responsibility for their failures

Also lol "Halo surprise release"

Everyone and their mom knew that Halo was delayed for exactly one year, the fact that EA once again tried cloning different games, and once again failed is the issue here.

They did it with C&C, they did it with MOH, they did it with Battlefield, they are gonna keep doing it. And they are gonna keep using lame excuses to get away with it.

That's a good question. I also wonder why, when a game is included with Game Pass, someone would expect it to chart better in sales? Game Pass is a word of mouth type of experience that will give all the games legs for the course of years.

That would explain why Game Pass is so successful.

no where in that wall of strawman did you even approach answering the questions i asked you.. if it's a "yes", you can feel free to elaborate.. give all the nuance you want.. but at least give a "yes" or "no" first..

so I ask AGAIN: (i'll even number them for you)

1) Do you think "unit sales" is the most important factor when one of the two games' multiplayer is F2P?..

2) Follow-up, do you think "units sold" stats from January is more important than the current "Most Played" list on Xbox when discussing multiplayer?..

3) And heck, here's a bonus question: since both Battlefield 2042 and Halo Infinite multiplayer launched in November, how did 2042 compare to Infinite in November NPD?.. December and January NPDs are only listing the singleplayer for Infinite so those are irrelevant.. how did Infinite's multiplayer perform on NPD compared to 2042 when it launched in November?..

don't forget to answer "yes" or "no" to the first two and then elaborate.. please give us that nuance.. 🤡

the sales of the single player campaign are irrelevant to this conversation.. again, as @Pedro asked, "Why are [you] comparing a free to play game to Battlefield using monthly sales?".. 🤔

Typical corporal BS ... would never admit that they were in the wrong even if their game was pure gargabe.

Did you miss the part that Battlefield is multiplayer focused. Folks are not buying Battlefield for the single player experience but for the multiplayer. Halo, multiplayer is free to play. Campaign for either game is of no significance in this context. You are pursuing a foolish argument by comparing sales of a multiplayer focused game charting to a single player game.

@goldenelementxl has his narratives mixed up and is moving the goal post as a result.. apparently, a game has to sell better because it's in Game Pass or.. .. .. well, we still don't know what actual point he's trying to make there.. 🤷🏽‍♂️

according to devs, Game Pass does indeed increase the sales of older titles when they come to the service and there is also an advertising component to being in Game Pass which can push sales.. but the reality is that Game Pass subscribers have the option of not purchasing the game so nothing is guaranteed.. the fact that a game like Halo Infinite debuted at #2 on NPD is pretty impressive considering that fact.. and it was only the campaign; people who wanted to just play the multiplayer had already been doing so for free since beginning of November..

Independent of Gamepass, comparing the sales of either games is a useless metric. If you are buying Battlefield, you are buying it for the multiplayer. If you are buying Halo, you are buying it for the campaign. Battlefield is not competing with Halo campaign but its free to play multiplayer. Why would anyone use monthly sales metrics in this situation, is beyond me.

Well, 2042 isn't MP focused. It's MP. No campaign. So a PAID game sells more than a free game.

If that is the case then it is clear that the comparison is absolutely stupid. All, I know about Battlefield is that people loved the muliplayer. I didn't know their latest installment had no single player component. Thanks for the info. 😊

wow, really?.. BF2042 has no singleplayer?..

see, this is why i need to just start ignoring everything @goldenelementxl says.. he's completely lost all foundation for logic when it comes to Xbox, Game Pass, and now Halo Infinite..

Your fandom won't allow you to see the relevance, so why even try?!?! But this topic has some things in it that we need to revisit...

Halo Infinite has a campaign. Halo Infinite is the flagship Xbox title. BF2042 has a reputation of being more broken than it ever has before, and launched before the "surprise" Halo Infinite multiplayer was made available to the public. More people bought BF2042 in January than people who bought Halo Infinites campaign. Not only when all platforms are factored in, but just on Xbox as well. I brought it up because its strange for EA to blame a game that they're having more commercial success than. Why even try to bring another game into the discussion, when BF2042 is a broken mess? EA needs to grow up...


Now I have some questions for you now...

Does the Halo Infinite campaign being on Game Pass have a negative impact on its sales?

Did splitting the multiplayer from the campaign have a negative impact on the sales of the campaign?

Or did the exposure that a f2p multiplayer and from Game Pass propel the series to number 18 in the January NPD? Down 16 spots from its launch the month prior...

Your talking points sounded nice before we had any metrics to judge them by. At some point, we are gonna need evidence that illustrates ANYTHING you've been saying these past few years.

A paid multiplayer only vs a paid or Game Pass campaign. I'm not comparing a free Halo multiplayer games sales. What are you two even talking about?!?! You can't sell a free game... Who is making this argument?!?!

Battlefield is literally competing with Halo Infinite multiplayer and NOT its campaign. Halo Infinite multiplayer is free to play. Comparing Battlefield sales to Halo Infinite campaign when it is competing with Halo Infinite multiplayer, makes one actually stupid.😂

@x_hedon: 😂

@goldenelementxl: you haven't answered a single question of mine and now that we see that BF2042 is multiplayer only, this conversation is over..

you came into this thread showing January NPD results for a multiplayer game vs a singleplayer game (while ignoring that both games came in #2 in their launch months)..

in terms of the actual topic at hand, MULTIPLAYER, NPD performance is irrelevant.. EA, whether justified or not, is saying that Halo Infinite's multiplayer is to blame for 2042's failure (a multiplayer game) and Halo Infinite's multiplayer launched for free in the same month as 2042 (November)..

I could not be more moist after this post.

I never once see them just realize this is what happens if you release an unfinished game. Heres a thought.....delay the game and release it when it's finished.

@Antwan3K: I've answered every one of your questions...

And "now that we see that BF2042 is multiplayer only" You didn't know that already?

But this is cute! The @Pedro@Antwan3L and @kvally coalition has been formed. I'm happy you all found each other. Now you can hop from thread to thread, defending Xbox and Phil Spencer. I'm sure he'll notice you guys someday...

creating strawman arguments to deflect from answering questions isn't "answering questions".. typically you answer yes/no questions by saying "yes" or "no" first, then elaborate when necessary..

please quote where you answered "yes" or no" to any of my questions..

here, I'll make it easy for you:

1) Do you think "unit sales" is the most important factor when one of the two games' multiplayer is F2P?..

2) Follow-up, do you think "units sold" stats from January is more important than the current "Most Played" list on Xbox when discussing multiplayer?..

and as a bonus, here's @Pedro's question:

"Why are [you] comparing a free to play game to Battlefield using monthly sales?" 🤔

@goldenelementxl: I work solo but I enjoy seeing you take the victim complex to an objectively stupid comparison that you made. It is even funnier that you think this is about defending Xbox and Phil Spencer.😂 Not once did I mention either but you came to some conspiracy conclusion that you making a dumb comparison and being called out on it going to spawn the formation of a Xbox and Phil Spencer defense force.🤣

There's no evidence of EA saying that though.

More people would play if it was good, very simple. Halo didn't steal 2042's thunder, or what kind of nonsense EA might be implying.

There's plenty of demand for a new Battlefield game. Make it not shit next time, and it'll be fine.

I answered on page 1 post 43.

I've also answered Pedros question. EA brought up Halo. I was just comparing the commercial performance of both games. You can pay $60 to play the BF2042 MP only game, or $60 to play Halo Infinite's campaign if you don't have Game Pass. One of those titles has a very good MC score. An 87. The other has a 64. One is generally praised while the other is universally trashed. Which one would you suspect is selling more on the Xbox platform currently?

You say that, but every thread or post critical of anything Xbox, and here's Pedro. Then you and 'twan start your little duet... And now we see kvally making friends. And they said SW was good for nothing...

Bingo
I read through the article, and the article that it references, and the quotes are quite fishy. The blame of Halo Infinite isn't technically a quote. It's very clickbait-y

@goldenelementxl said:

I answered on page 1 post 43.

I've also answered Pedros question. EA brought up Halo. I was just comparing the commercial performance of both games. You can pay $60 to play the BF2042 MP only game, or $60 to play Halo Infinite's campaign if you don't have Game Pass. One of those titles has a very good MC score. An 87. The other has a 64. One is generally praised while the other is universally trashed. Which one would you suspect is selling more on the Xbox platform currently?

in terms of my questions, "no and no" is good enough and shows that posting your January NPD charts was meaningless deflection when talking a F2P game..

as far as Pedro's question, it's the same.. the subject is multiplayer and here you are shoehorning in a paid single player campaign that has nothing to do with the conversation..

you're not being "critical of Xbox" though.. you're being disingenuous and illogical, hence why people keep calling you out..

case-in-point, you bring Jan NPDs to a conversation that's about the multiplayer, one paid and the other F2P.. it makes no sense..

A more proper website reporting it.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2022-02-17-ea-blames-halo-infinite-for-battlefield-2042s-woes

and the source, which is Tom Henderson (the major Battlefield contact)

https://www.xfire.com/ea-acknowledges-battlefield-2042-failure-post-motem/

However, Battlefield was then affected by the launch of Halo Infinite, Miele said, as unfavourable comparisons were made between the Xbox shooter and Battlefield 2042, with Halo perceived as a much more polished title.

That Eurogamer article is literally sourcing the same xfire article. It's like xfire typed up some stuff, didn't actually quote the phrase or properly attribute it, and other outlets are just running with it. Notice how that quote you just shared doesn't have any quotations...

You will have to let Tom Henderson or EA know your concerns. We will trust Tom Henderson over you.

@x_hedon: Well when we have an actual Laura Miele quote, you will have a point. We don't have a single attributed quote of Laura Miele, or anyone at EA blaming Halo for the failures of BF2042. Just a writer from xfire who doesn't attribute the quote in any journalism 101 kind of way. And every article points right back to the xfire story. Something like this would hit the big outlets...

It has hit outlets (though not in quotes). I guess you don't know who Tom Henderson is. Which is fine, I don't expect you to.

Don’t mess with the chief.

BF 2042 and Halo Infinite are vastly different games and are not directly competing with each other. EA should focus on not putting out trash and stop rushing out broken unfinished games. If BF 2042 was a quality game, it would sell well and be played by many regardless what time of year it came out. EA needs to get their shit together and just focus on quality.

And put a campaign back in the game.

Any thread about most things I am in. Whether it be Xbox, Sony, PC or Nintendo. Nintendo threads and threads that are based on players gaming preferences, I rarely get involved. All of this conspiracy nonsense is your deflection to making a dumb comparison. So, now you are deflecting to whatever this is. To the original point, the comparing of Battlefield sales to a single player game is dumb. That doesn't reflect well on you.