EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no 2ndHand games, 50GB Bluray and new kinect

Always online seems far fetched. Not everyone has internet, so those people get left out? I dont think so. Heil68

The profit increase from no used games, mandatory LIVE fees and target specific advertising would outweigh the loss from people without web access.

I enjoyed the most but that does not mean I love Microsoft CanYouDiglt

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Always online seems far fetched. Not everyone has internet, so those people get left out? I dont think so. tenaka2

The profit increase from no used games, mandatory LIVE fees and target specific advertising would outweigh the loss from people without web access.

If they want to make that gamble it's their gain or their loss. My motto is to not fix something unless it's broken and it's my understanding the indusrty has been profitiable for MS this generation.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

And exponentially growing digital distribution will make them run back. Many third-party developers like CD Project realized already that piracy =/= lost sales. A developper can live with piracy providing a fair price for their games adn generating fan loyalty.

CD Project will sell more copies of W3 next gen becuase they showed their trust towards PC Gamers, and pc gamers will pay them with same coin.

StormyJoe

Then, you should become a console gamer and alleviate that burden.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

And exponentially growing digital distribution will make them run back. Many third-party developers like CD Project realized already that piracy =/= lost sales. A developper can live with piracy providing a fair price for their games adn generating fan loyalty. 

CD Project will sell more copies of W3 next gen becuase they showed their trust towards PC Gamers, and pc gamers will pay them with same coin.

jhonMalcovich

Exactly, another example, Minecraft, despite the fact of being a DRM-free game, it didn´t stopped him from surpassing 7M copies sold on PC.

And the Minecraft creator Notch himself told this

In the end, PC piracy didn´t stop him to get filthy reach. 7M+ copies sold just on PC.

Too many rumors to know what's true anymore.

I can see the "no 2nd hand" happening on both nextgen twins.

"Always online" is kind of hard to believe, surely they understand this would gut their sales, especially in places with poor internet.

I'm happy that Kinect will be a seperate thing, I don't want to be forced to buy Kinect.

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]I enjoyed the most but that does not mean I love Microsoft Heil68

To be fair, most 360 owners came from Sega, Nintendo and Sony consoles, in previous gens, and have yet to decide which console to get next gen. But you wouldn't understand, little drone. You love for Sony is hereditary :P

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Always online seems far fetched. Not everyone has internet, so those people get left out? I dont think so. Strakha

The profit increase from no used games, mandatory LIVE fees and target specific advertising would outweigh the loss from people without web access.

If they want to make that gamble it's their gain or their loss. My motto is to not fix something unless it's broken and it's my understanding the indusrty has been profitiable for MS this generation.

Yes but imagine the possiblities, if always online MS can use kinect 2 to look into your living room, if you are skinny they can push protein bar ads at you, fat then you get sliming products.

Torn undies then ads for underwear!

If you only knew...

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Gabe has been quoted. "The way to beat piracy, is to provide a better service". That is why Steam does so well. Many people I know use piracy as a means of testing a game to see if they enjoy it. The reason for this, the lack of PC demo's. The latest DMC game had a console demo, yet the PC version did not. To me, I don't know how well DMC will run on my PC as there is no demo to try it and I'm not looking to forward to dropping £30 on a game that might run like crap.clyde46

Then, you should become a console gamer and alleviate that burden.

Everything sucks.

Just gotta find what kind of suck you can live with.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Then, you should become a console gamer and alleviate that burden.

ZombieKiller7

Everything sucks.

Just gotta find what kind of suck you can live with.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] And go back to sub HD, online fee's, no mods, sub 30FPS, P2P MP gaming? Not a chance.clyde46

Everything sucks.

Just gotta find what kind of suck you can live with.

You already do.

I'm waiting for MS to actually reveal the console.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

Everything sucks.

Just gotta find what kind of suck you can live with.

ZombieKiller7

You already do.

This is a very interesting bit of news honestly.

1. it falls in line with previous rumors.

2. It's from EDGE, not known for sensationalist journalism and usually keeps a good head on their shoulders.

It's not looking good lems.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] I don't have to settle for a sub par experience. clyde46

You already do.

If you are objective, you will realize that gaming is not always fun or perfect on PC.

If you can't acknowledge that, then you're just another fanboy douche (join the club.)

As I said, it's all about the kind of suck you can live with.

This pisses me off on so many level. If I hate a game I buy I deserve the right to sell that piece of trash at a loss. I can't stand having games I hate in my collection i would even give them away for free so I didn't have to look at them and remember my terrible mistake of purchasing them in the first place.

I do hope we get soon some official info for PS4 & Xbox720 since we're getting new rumors every 5 mins eehhhh

If any console uses an always online DRM, I will simply not buy it.

That's where I draw the line.

Sagem28

Third parties:  Hey, we are tired of gamers buying our games used.  We don't make any mony from used games that are passed and sold down.

MS:  Ok we have technology to block used games.  But if we implement it, then you can only develop games for our system, as this would put us at a disadvantage.

Third parties:  No problem.

PC gamers should be worried too. Without a secondhand market to compete against there will be less incentive for companies to have as many bargain bin sales on their digital downloads. 

Yes there will be sales but they will be fewer and further between.

Third parties: Hey, we are tired of gamers buying our games used. We don't make any mony from used games that are passed and sold down.

MS: Ok we have technology to block used games. But if we implement it, then you can only develop games for our system, as this would put us at a disadvantage.

Third parties: No problem.

jimmypsn

PC gamers should be worried too. Without a secondhand market to compete against there will be less incentive for companies to have as many bargain bin sales on their digital downloads.

Yes there will be sales but they will be fewer and further between.

Pray_to_me

I'm sure MS kicks themselves ever day that they didn't come up with a system like steam first so they could monopolize it.

Third parties:  Hey, we are tired of gamers buying our games used.  We don't make any mony from used games that are passed and sold down.

MS:  Ok we have technology to block used games.  But if we implement it, then you can only develop games for our system, as this would put us at a disadvantage.

Third parties:  No problem.

jimmypsn

Third parties:  Hey, we are tired of gamers buying our games used.  We don't make any mony from used games that are passed and sold down.

MS:  Ok we have technology to block used games.  But if we implement it, then you can only develop games for our system, as this would put us at a disadvantage.

Third parties:  No problem.

jimmypsn

So CD-Keys come to the consoles. 

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

You already do.

ZombieKiller7

If you are objective, you will realize that gaming is not always fun or perfect on PC.

If you can't acknowledge that, then you're just another fanboy douche (join the club.)

As I said, it's all about the kind of suck you can live with.

Third parties: Hey, we are tired of gamers buying our games used. We don't make any mony from used games that are passed and sold down.

MS: Ok we have technology to block used games. But if we implement it, then you can only develop games for our system, as this would put us at a disadvantage.

Third parties: No problem.

Third parties:  Hey Sony, we are gonna be going exlusive with MS this gen because they have all this cool tech to disable used games.  The bane of our existence.  So unless you can do something like this, we are gonna have to cut ties

Sony:  Aww crap, we are broke but contact all Research and Development teams.  We gotta do something quick.  (Patents own anti used games tech)

PC gamers should be worried too. Without a secondhand market to compete against there will be less incentive for companies to have as many bargain bin sales on their digital downloads. 

Yes there will be sales but they will be fewer and further between.

Pray_to_me

There will always be developers who will want to offer what someone else doesn't. The PC is an open platform and MS, Sony or anyone else has no say over what they can do with their games. As I said in my previous post the vast majority of games I bought for my PC this generation from small developers did not treat me as a criminal and allowed me to re-sell the game. Though I didn't re-sell a single one of them as they were some of the best games I played this gen. I already support these developers a lot but if the big developers try to do something like this across the board the  smaller developers will get every single dollar of mine next gen. Vote with your feet or in the case your money.  That's how capitalism works.

Third parties: Hey, we are tired of gamers buying our games used. We don't make any mony from used games that are passed and sold down.

MS: Ok we have technology to block used games. But if we implement it, then you can only develop games for our system, as this would put us at a disadvantage.

Third parties: No problem.

Third parties: Hey Sony, we are gonna be going exlusive with MS this gen because they have all this cool tech to disable used games. The bane of our existence. So unless you can do something like this, we are gonna have to cut ties

Sony: Aww crap, we are broke but contact all Research and Development teams. We gotta do something quick. (Patents own anti used games tech)

jimmypsn

I'm curious, does MS pay for your internet?

you spin like a corporate shil.

PC gamers should be worried too. Without a secondhand market to compete against there will be less incentive for companies to have as many bargain bin sales on their digital downloads. 

Yes there will be sales but they will be fewer and further between.

Pray_to_me

[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

PC gamers should be worried too. Without a secondhand market to compete against there will be less incentive for companies to have as many bargain bin sales on their digital downloads.

Yes there will be sales but they will be fewer and further between.

ReadingRainbow4

I'm sure MS kicks themselves ever day that they didn't come up with a system like steam first so they could monopolize it.

Who's to say they would take that route? They'd probably try and take your money & run for the frickin hills anyway. And then Steam would come around and give them a dirt nap. Again.

Honestly though, I'm not touching the idea of this rumor with a 10 foot pole. I'll wait for an official announcement, because that just reeks of console suicide.

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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

I can't contain myself lol

I repeat: Always online is the MOST STUPID IDEA EVER! Not everyone has an internet connection :evil:

PAL360

fixed.

I couldn't agree more. I don't think either company would force always online though to be honest; neither is that stupid.

[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

Third parties: Hey, we are tired of gamers buying our games used. We don't make any mony from used games that are passed and sold down.

MS: Ok we have technology to block used games. But if we implement it, then you can only develop games for our system, as this would put us at a disadvantage.

Third parties: No problem.

Third parties: Hey Sony, we are gonna be going exlusive with MS this gen because they have all this cool tech to disable used games. The bane of our existence. So unless you can do something like this, we are gonna have to cut ties

Sony: Aww crap, we are broke but contact all Research and Development teams. We gotta do something quick. (Patents own anti used games tech)

ReadingRainbow4

I'm curious, does MS pay for your internet?

you spin like a corporate shil.

Third parties: Hey, we are tired of gamers buying our games used. We don't make any mony from used games that are passed and sold down.

MS: Ok we have technology to block used games. But if we implement it, then you can only develop games for our system, as this would put us at a disadvantage.

Third parties: No problem.

 

Third parties:  Hey Sony, we are gonna be going exlusive with MS this gen because they have all this cool tech to disable used games.  The bane of our existence.  So unless you can do something like this, we are gonna have to cut ties

Sony:  Aww crap, we are broke but contact all Research and Development teams.  We gotta do something quick.  (Patents own anti used games tech)

jimmypsn

Yep, that is exactly how it happened. :roll:

cows butthurt and meltdown over the xbox specs is non stop :cool: ironically they use this as fact but when some other positive news regarding next xbox pop-up it totally BS :cool:Tessellation

I think the good people here find the damage control coming off you lemmings much more telling.

do you guys get a little alarm that goes off whenever someone says anything bad about microsoft? I wonder if you guys are all set up in one location with bunk beds.

looks like the wii u will be the only console with used games.  OH Nintendo wii U sweet land of liberty.

cows butthurt and meltdown over the xbox specs is non stop :cool: ironically they use this as fact but when some other positive news regarding next xbox pop-up it totally BS :cool:Tessellation

The butt hurt seems pretty strong from both sides really, and what you said is also true for both lemmings and cows. Just wait til something official and concrete comes guys!

[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

PC gamers should be worried too. Without a secondhand market to compete against there will be less incentive for companies to have as many bargain bin sales on their digital downloads. 

Yes there will be sales but they will be fewer and further between.

clyde46

cows butthurt and meltdown over the xbox specs is non stop :cool: ironically they use this as fact but when some other positive news regarding next xbox pop-up it totally BS :cool:Tessellation

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]cows butthurt and meltdown over the xbox specs is non stop :cool: ironically they use this as fact but when some other positive news regarding next xbox pop-up it totally BS :cool:ReadingRainbow4

I think the good people here find the damage control coming off you lemmings much more telling.

do you guys get a little alarm that goes off whenever someone says anything bad about microsoft? I wonder if you guys are all set up in one location with bunk beds.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]cows butthurt and meltdown over the xbox specs is non stop :cool: ironically they use this as fact but when some other positive news regarding next xbox pop-up it totally BS :cool:Tessellation

I think the good people here find the damage control coming off you lemmings much more telling.

do you guys get a little alarm that goes off whenever someone says anything bad about microsoft? I wonder if you guys are all set up in one location with bunk beds.

I'm just standing on the sidelines laughing at the 50 clown car pileup.