EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no 2ndHand games, 50GB Bluray and new kinect

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

I think the good people here find the damage control coming off you lemmings much more telling.

do you guys get a little alarm that goes off whenever someone says anything bad about microsoft? I wonder if you guys are all set up in one location with bunk beds.

ReadingRainbow4

I'm just standing on the sidelines laughing at the 50 clown car pileup.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]cows butthurt and meltdown over the xbox specs is non stop :cool: ironically they use this as fact but when some other positive news regarding next xbox pop-up it totally BS :cool:Tessellation

I think the good people here find the damage control coming off you lemmings much more telling.

do you guys get a little alarm that goes off whenever someone says anything bad about microsoft? I wonder if you guys are all set up in one location with bunk beds.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] you're one of those having meltdowns regarding if durango is weak or powerful,poor cows their lives depend on plastic object :cool: so sad.Tessellation

I'm just standing on the sidelines laughing at the 50 clown car pileup.

alright that makes perfect sense mr. derpington.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

PC gamers should be worried too. Without a secondhand market to compete against there will be less incentive for companies to have as many bargain bin sales on their digital downloads. 

Yes there will be sales but they will be fewer and further between.

Strakha

There will always be developers who will want to offer what someone else doesn't. The PC is an open platform and MS, Sony or anyone else has no say over what they can do with their games. As I said in my previous post the vast majority of games I bought for my PC this generation from small developers did not treat me as a criminal and allowed me to re-sell the game. Though I didn't re-sell a single one of them as they were some of the best games I played this gen. I already support these developers a lot but if the big developers try to do something like this across the board the  smaller developers will get every single dollar of mine next gen. Vote with your feet or in the case your money.  That's how capitalism works.

I plan on supporting indie devs more next gen as well, but I know that eventually by hook or by crook there is going to be more than a hanfull of of big budget titles that will require a major platform. 

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

I'm just standing on the sidelines laughing at the 50 clown car pileup.

ReadingRainbow4

alright that makes perfect sense mr. derpington.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I was on the fence... PS4 or the next xbox. Microsoft decided for me, im getting the PS4. Thanks Microsoft :D If Sony decides to follow, im sticking to pc gaming forever.XenoLair

Good choice. Even if you don't want to use a certain freedom yourself it's good to protect it just in case. The freedom to sell games you really don't like is worth protecting for a number of reasons. It also will likely keep game prices more competitive. That said, a number of the bigger developers on PC already make it impossible for you to sell used games. I think if they were sure of their product this wouldn't be an issue. You can sell DVDs, blue rays and almost anything else. If they are able to develop game you want to keep this shouldn't be an issue at all. If they want to develop something that is all flash and you will forget in a week or never want to play again I say too bad.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

I think the good people here find the damage control coming off you lemmings much more telling.

do you guys get a little alarm that goes off whenever someone says anything bad about microsoft? I wonder if you guys are all set up in one location with bunk beds.

clyde46

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]I enjoyed the most but that does not mean I love Microsoft PAL360

To be fair, most 360 owners came from Sega, Nintendo and Sony consoles, in previous gens, and have yet to decide which console to get next gen. But you wouldn't understand, little drone. You love for Sony is hereditary :P

[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="clyde46"] When the official announcements come, then we will see meltdown's.clyde46

That it will. I'm looking forward to knowing more about both consoles, and also for the probable ownage on one side or other.

[QUOTE="Strakha"]

[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

PC gamers should be worried too. Without a secondhand market to compete against there will be less incentive for companies to have as many bargain bin sales on their digital downloads. 

Yes there will be sales but they will be fewer and further between.

Pray_to_me

There will always be developers who will want to offer what someone else doesn't. The PC is an open platform and MS, Sony or anyone else has no say over what they can do with their games. As I said in my previous post the vast majority of games I bought for my PC this generation from small developers did not treat me as a criminal and allowed me to re-sell the game. Though I didn't re-sell a single one of them as they were some of the best games I played this gen. I already support these developers a lot but if the big developers try to do something like this across the board the  smaller developers will get every single dollar of mine next gen. Vote with your feet or in the case your money.  That's how capitalism works.

I plan on supporting indie devs more next gen as well, but I know that eventually by hook or by crook there is going to be more than a hanfull of of big budget titles that will require a major platform. 

A lot of them aren't even indie. At least 4 of my favourite games this gen you call install and play without being treated as a criminal and if you wanted to resell no issues. Darkstar One, Hearts of Iron 2, Spaceforce: Rogue Universe and Galactic Civilizations 2 were easily the best money I spent. There were many others like this as that is only specific to my personal gaming tastes but devs who don't treat their consumers as criminal and allow them to do what they please with the item they paid for deserve to be rewarded. I'm in business myself and the vast, vast majority of my clients are very honest people. I would never consider treating them as criminals because of the few who have screwed me over.

So many damn rumors

So many damn rumors?NEWMAHAY

I don't believe this.TheGuardian03

Of course you don't. You're always welcome to join the SDC tho. Flaw free Godny will always deliver.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] these specs wars reminds me to xbox 360 and ps3 announcement,the xbox 1.5,ps3 supercomputer 4D,2x the power of xbox 360 etc..04dcarraher

While this may or may not be the case, it is very true that this sort of thing needs serious consideration. 2 consoles may launch on the same day, but if one had been given to developers for 6 months or even a year prior to the other, that one is likely to have much better optimised or looking games until the other catches up.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="clyde46"] When the official announcements come, then we will see meltdown's._Matt_

While this may or may not be the case, it is very true that this sort of thing needs serious consideration. 2 consoles may launch on the same day, but if one had been given to developers for 6 months or even a year prior to the other, that one is likely to have much better optimised or looking games until the other catches up.

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Also some need to realize that the net xbox's development started earlier then next PS, so its quite possible to see a 500 GFLOPS difference because of direction and time.clyde46

While this may or may not be the case, it is very true that this sort of thing needs serious consideration. 2 consoles may launch on the same day, but if one had been given to developers for 6 months or even a year prior to the other, that one is likely to have much better optimised or looking games until the other catches up.

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Also some need to realize that the net xbox's development started earlier then next PS, so its quite possible to see a 500 GFLOPS difference because of direction and time.clyde46

While this may or may not be the case, it is very true that this sort of thing needs serious consideration. 2 consoles may launch on the same day, but if one had been given to developers for 6 months or even a year prior to the other, that one is likely to have much better optimised or looking games until the other catches up.

dudes dressed in toga's vs cardboard box masterchief-alike armor :o

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Also some need to realize that the net xbox's development started earlier then next PS, so its quite possible to see a 500 GFLOPS difference because of direction and time.clyde46

While this may or may not be the case, it is very true that this sort of thing needs serious consideration. 2 consoles may launch on the same day, but if one had been given to developers for 6 months or even a year prior to the other, that one is likely to have much better optimised or looking games until the other catches up.

Hahaha, that would be amazing! If only!

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="_Matt_"]

 

While this may or may not be the case, it is very true that this sort of thing needs serious consideration. 2 consoles may launch on the same day, but if one had been given to developers for 6 months or even a year prior to the other, that one is likely to have much better optimised or looking games until the other catches up.

ReadingRainbow4

dudes dressed in toga's vs cardboard box masterchief-alike armor :o

Saweeeeet :) , I'm well up for filming some of that. Heck would be fun to play both sides just to see a war kick off as I then freely jump the queue and buy both consoles :D

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Same day release. That would be lulzy. Fanboy fights in GAME stores :lol:sts106mat

Hahaha, that would be amazing! If only!

final fantasy is on both consoles.

God of war would be more likely.

I think the teenage boys with fisherprice chainsaw sounds about right, rofl.

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Same day release. That would be lulzy. Fanboy fights in GAME stores :lol:sts106mat

Hahaha, that would be amazing! If only!

Messy. Though I would hope it would be only boys, because it would be pretty sad if men were fighting over something so trivial.

[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="_Matt_"]

 

Hahaha, that would be amazing! If only!

ReadingRainbow4

final fantasy is on both consoles.

God of war would be more likely.

I think the teenage boys with fisherprice chainsaw sounds about right, rofl.

I think he meant Gears of War

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="sts106mat"]more like men with chainsaws attached to guns, vs teenage boys with tin foil pants and spiky pink hair_Matt_

final fantasy is on both consoles.

God of war would be more likely.

I think the teenage boys with fisherprice chainsaw sounds about right, rofl.

I think he meant Gears of War

exactly, :P. That setup sounds more accurate to me if XBL is anything to go by.

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Same day release. That would be lulzy. Fanboy fights in GAME stores :lol:sts106mat

Hahaha, that would be amazing! If only!

:lol:

Never going to happen. No second hand games, and always on internet connection would be suicide. The same kind of rumors were swirling before the PS3 came out and those never happened. MS may be greedy, but they aren't greedy enough to shoot themselves in the foot. A console with these restrictions would never sell.

Hope its true!

• Constant internet connect!
• $99 to pay to play online
• No used games!

Hope MS does it!

MS is greedy, not stupid.

lol

The lems have been owned

gaf link

 

[quote=""]Microsofts next console will require an Internet connection in order to function, ruling out a second-hand game market for the platform. A new iteration of Xbox Live will be an integral part of Microsofts next console, while improved Kinect hardware will also ship alongside the unit.

Sources with first-hand experience of Microsofts next generation console have told us that although the next Xbox will be absolutely committed to online functionality, games will still be made available to purchase in physical form. Next Xbox games will be manufactured on 50GB-capacity Blu-ray discs, Microsoft having conceded defeat to Sony following its ill-fated backing of the HD-DVD format. It is believed that games purchased on disc will ship with activation codes, and will have no value beyond the initial user.

Our source has also confirmed that the next Xboxs recently rumoured specs are entirely accurate. That means an AMD eight-core x64 1.6GHz CPU, a D3D11.x 800MHz graphics solution and 8GB of DDR3 RAM. As of now, the consoles hard drive capacity is said to be undecided, but Microsofts extended commitment to online delivery suggests that it will be the largest unit it has put inside a console to date.

Though the architectures of the next-gen Xbox and PlayStation both resemble that of PCs, several development sources have told us that Sonys solution is preferable when it comes to leveraging power. Studios working with the next-gen Xbox are currently being forced to work with only approved development libraries, while Sony is encouraging coders to get closer to the metal of its box. Furthermore, the operating system overhead of Microsofts next console is more oppressive than Sonys equivalent, giving the PlayStation-badged unit another advantage.

Unlike Nintendo, Microsoft is continuing to invest heavily in motion-control interfaces, and a new, more reliably responsive Kinect will also ship alongside the next Xbox. Sonys next-generation console camera system is said to have a similar set of features, and is expected to be discussed at the companys PlayStation event on February 20.campzor

you see what M$ does to the industry? You see it now? And you know what's the worst part? That now Sony might follow too just like it happened with the stupid DLC because we don't have nowhere else to run but to  Nintendo's crappy overpriced system with lack of 3rd party support and the same old garbage franchises. And the scary thing is that there will be a bunch of idiots that will buy into it and this crap could become the standard.  

This had better not be true...

"Microsofts next console will require an Internet connection in order to function...  A new iteration of Xbox Live will be an integral part of Microsofts next console..."

Xbox live gold takes even the singleplayer portion of the game as hostage.

Nohtnym

you see what M$ does to the industry? You see it now? And you know what's the worst part? That now Sony might follow too just like it happened with the stupid DLC because we don't have nowhere else to run but to  Nintendo's crappy overpriced system with lack of 3rd party support and the same garbage franchises. And the scary thing is that there will be a bunch of idiots that will buy into it and this crap could become the standard.  

Gue1

:o

get away from me. :x

TheGuardian03

All these companies are looking at Apple, the way they used the ipod to monopolize the music industry almost overnight by teathering the music you purchase on itunes to apple products. They want to do something similar to the gaming industry. They want a piece of that pie.  

This had better not be true...

Vari3ty