edge.com ps4 1080p 30fps- xb1(900p sub 20fps. linky :-) o boy.dave

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

There is already a thread on that link.

tormentos

Told you so like 10 times and you would not listen..:lol:

I have never said the PS4 doesn't have better numbers than XB1. However, 1/2 the information in that article is old. I am not quite sure why that article came out today. For instance, the APIs for XB1 were finished after E3, and it has already gone into production - yet the article states the contrary.

i will never get how sony dudes act like gfx are important to them or that something like this even means anything.

hell, they called killzone 2 console gfx king and it was 640p.

with the other tricks they use in games you can't even tell when something falls below minimum hi def standards.

this entire gen piles of games were upscaled 540 and 640 you didn't even know it.

do you really think you can tell 900 from 1080?

i will never get how sony dudes act like gfx are important to them or that something like this even means anything.

hell, they called killzone 2 console gfx king and it was 640p.

with the other tricks they use in games you can't even tell when something falls below minimum hi def standards.

this entire gen piles of games were upscaled 540 and 640 you didn't even know it.

do you really think you can tell 900 from 1080?

Riverwolf007

This

Generation

Long

could it?  Please, tell us more.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

i will never get how sony dudes act like gfx are important to them or that something like this even means anything.

hell, they called killzone 2 console gfx king and it was 640p.

with the other tricks they use in games you can't even tell when something falls below minimum hi def standards.

this entire gen piles of games were upscaled 540 and 640 you didn't even know it.

do you really think you can tell 900 from 1080?

Shewgenja

i will never get how sony dudes act like gfx are important to them or that something like this even means anything.

hell, they called killzone 2 console gfx king and it was 640p.

with the other tricks they use in games you can't even tell when something falls below minimum hi def standards.

this entire gen piles of games were upscaled 540 and 640 you didn't even know it.

do you really think you can tell 900 from 1080?

Riverwolf007

This

Generation

Long

could it?

you are mad about multiplats or something?

anyway, i'm saying that beyond a shadow of a doubt people this gen could not tell the difference between a game that ran natively in 540, 640, 720, or 1080.

it's not even questionable.

you dudes flat out could not tell.

so why is the difference between 900 and 1080 important?

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

There is already a thread on that link.

StormyJoe

Told you so like 10 times and you would not listen..:lol:

I have never said the PS4 doesn't have better numbers than XB1. However, 1/2 the information in that article is old. I am not quite sure why that article came out today. For instance, the APIs for XB1 were finished after E3, and it has already gone into production - yet the article states the contrary.

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

i will never get how sony dudes act like gfx are important to them or that something like this even means anything.

hell, they called killzone 2 console gfx king and it was 640p.

with the other tricks they use in games you can't even tell when something falls below minimum hi def standards.

this entire gen piles of games were upscaled 540 and 640 you didn't even know it.

do you really think you can tell 900 from 1080?

Riverwolf007

This

Generation

Long

could it?

you are mad about multiplats or something?

anyway, i'm saying that beyond a shadow of a doubt people this gen could not tell the difference between a game that ran natively in 540, 640, 720, or 1080.

it's not even questionable.

you dudes flat out could not tell.

so why is the difference between 900 and 1080 important?

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]
Couldn't have anything to do with Lemmings pounding the boards with "XBox 360 is just as good if not better than the PS3"
All

This

Generation

Long

could it?

Shewgenja

you are mad about multiplats or something?

anyway, i'm saying that beyond a shadow of a doubt people this gen could not tell the difference between a game that ran natively in 540, 640, 720, or 1080.

it's not even questionable.

you dudes flat out could not tell.

so why is the difference between 900 and 1080 important?

why is resolution so important to you now?

you can't even tell 640 from 1080 so why is the difference in 900 and 1080 all of a sudden a big deal?

it makes no sense.

Microsoft's decison to use complicated architecture baffles me, considering how contrary it is to the simple architecture they chose for the 360. It's as if Microsoft has copied SONY's mistake with the PS3 (i.e. complicated architecture) and SONY has copied Microsoft's success with the 360 (i.e. simple architecture). The tables have turned.

Sucks to be lems.

An expensive, and yet underpowered console that relies on Kinect to function.

Microsoft comments on this:

Ten years ago, you could argue that a consoles power was summed up in terms of a few of its specs, but Xbox One is designed as a powerful machine to deliver the best blockbuster games today and for the next decade.

Xbox One architecture is much more complex than what any single figure can convey. It was designed with balanced performance in mind, and we think the games we continue to show running on near-final hardware demonstrate that performance. In the end, well let the consoles and their games speak for themselves. P

was just about to say you sound like a PR guy LOL... then i saw the link 

Microsoft comments on this:

Ten years ago, you could argue that a consoles power was summed up in terms of a few of its specs, but Xbox One is designed as a powerful machine to deliver the best blockbuster games today and for the next decade.

Xbox One architecture is much more complex than what any single figure can convey. It was designed with balanced performance in mind, and we think the games we continue to show running on near-final hardware demonstrate that performance. In the end, well let the consoles and their games speak for themselves. P

mitu123

dat epic damage control. Numbers dont matter, be ready for the magic sauce!

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Microsoft comments on this:

Ten years ago, you could argue that a consoles power was summed up in terms of a few of its specs, but Xbox One is designed as a powerful machine to deliver the best blockbuster games today and for the next decade.

Xbox One architecture is much more complex than what any single figure can convey. It was designed with balanced performance in mind, and we think the games we continue to show running on near-final hardware demonstrate that performance. In the end, well let the consoles and their games speak for themselves. P

Krelian-co

dat epic damage control. Numbers dont matter, be ready for the magic sauce!

I don't know if they are right or not. But, I will say this: there is more to a car than it's horsepower. ;)

Microsoft comments on this:

Ten years ago, you could argue that a consoles power was summed up in terms of a few of its specs, but Xbox One is designed as a powerful machine to deliver the best blockbuster games today and for the next decade.

Xbox One architecture is much more complex than what any single figure can convey. It was designed with balanced performance in mind, and we think the games we continue to show running on near-final hardware demonstrate that performance. In the end, well let the consoles and their games speak for themselves. P

mitu123

But the Xbox advert had no games.

i will never get how sony dudes act like gfx are important to them or that something like this even means anything.

hell, they called killzone 2 console gfx king and it was 640p.

with the other tricks they use in games you can't even tell when something falls below minimum hi def standards.

this entire gen piles of games were upscaled 540 and 640 you didn't even know it.

do you really think you can tell 900 from 1080?

Riverwolf007

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

Inferior Consoles.

Davekeeh

Lmao Microsoft bought the Xbone Domain name.

Looks like it's the OFFICIAL nickname now, Larry Gon be pissed.

Who were the developers? If we don't know who the developers are than this doesn't mean anything. They could have a vested interest in PS4 being successful over X1.Zero5000X

Microsoft comments on this:

Ten years ago, you could argue that a consoles power was summed up in terms of a few of its specs, but Xbox One is designed as a powerful machine to deliver the best blockbuster games today and for the next decade.

Xbox One architecture is much more complex than what any single figure can convey. It was designed with balanced performance in mind, and we think the games we continue to show running on near-final hardware demonstrate that performance. In the end, well let the consoles and their games speak for themselves. P

mitu123

You posted this on 3 different threats...hahaha

So i will give you the same answer so was the Ps4 and port a more powerful GPU,MS actually talks like if the damn PS4 was the PS3,in fact the PS4 time to triangle a game apparently is faster than the xbox one.

MS is just pure damage control at this time.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Microsoft comments on this:

Ten years ago, you could argue that a consoles power was summed up in terms of a few of its specs, but Xbox One is designed as a powerful machine to deliver the best blockbuster games today and for the next decade.

Xbox One architecture is much more complex than what any single figure can convey. It was designed with balanced performance in mind, and we think the games we continue to show running on near-final hardware demonstrate that performance. In the end, well let the consoles and their games speak for themselves. P

tormentos

You posted this on 3 different threats...hahaha

So i will give you the same answer so was the Ps4 and port a more powerful GPU,MS actually talks like if the damn PS4 was the PS3,in fact the PS4 time to triangle a game apparently is faster than the xbox one.

MS is just pure damage control at this time.

 

I have never said the PS4 doesn't have better numbers than XB1. However, 1/2 the information in that article is old. I am not quite sure why that article came out today. For instance, the APIs for XB1 were finished after E3, and it has already gone into production - yet the article states the contrary.

StormyJoe

You claim that games will be the same,or will have little difference that basically go against admiting the advantage the PS4 has.

I told you so if the game on PS4 is targeting 1080p 30 FPS with great graphics the xbox one version would run on 20 or lower FPS,in fact i actually predicted that both would still mantain the same resolution,but i was wrong the xbox one would run at 20FPS with 1600X900 which is lower than 1080p.

The were report from Gamescom as well where developer were also claming advantage for the Ps4,dude i have pain the scenarios like 10 times,ESRAM will change nothing is there to help MS GPU to not become bandwidth starved is not and enhancer or anything of that sort.

i will never get how sony dudes act like gfx are important to them or that something like this even means anything.

hell, they called killzone 2 console gfx king and it was 640p.

with the other tricks they use in games you can't even tell when something falls below minimum hi def standards.

this entire gen piles of games were upscaled 540 and 640 you didn't even know it.

do you really think you can tell 900 from 1080?

Riverwolf007

Killzone 2 = 1280x720 (QAA)
Killzone 3 = 1280x720 2D, 640x716 3D, (both MLAA )

http://beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1113344

Killzone was 720P and was 640P on 3D mode..:lol:

total bandwidth on the Xbox One is like 256gb compared to the PS4 at around 176gb. 

 

I don't know if they are right or not. But, I will say this: there is more to a car than it's horsepower. ;)

StormyJoe

Yeah but since consoles don't have torke and weight isn't a problem and wind resistance your comparison is completely invalid.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Microsoft comments on this:

Ten years ago, you could argue that a consoles power was summed up in terms of a few of its specs, but Xbox One is designed as a powerful machine to deliver the best blockbuster games today and for the next decade.

Xbox One architecture is much more complex than what any single figure can convey. It was designed with balanced performance in mind, and we think the games we continue to show running on near-final hardware demonstrate that performance. In the end, well let the consoles and their games speak for themselves. P

Krelian-co

dat epic damage control. Numbers dont matter, be ready for the magic sauce!

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

I have never said the PS4 doesn't have better numbers than XB1. However, 1/2 the information in that article is old. I am not quite sure why that article came out today. For instance, the APIs for XB1 were finished after E3, and it has already gone into production - yet the article states the contrary.

tormentos

You claim that games will be the same,or will have little difference that basically go against admiting the advantage the PS4 has.

I told you so if the game on PS4 is targeting 1080p 30 FPS with great graphics the xbox one version would run on 20 or lower FPS,in fact i actually predicted that both would still mantain the same resolution,but i was wrong the xbox one would run at 20FPS with 1600X900 which is lower than 1080p.

The were report from Gamescom as well where developer were also claming advantage for the Ps4,dude i have pain the scenarios like 10 times,ESRAM will change nothing is there to help MS GPU to not become bandwidth starved is not and enhancer or anything of that sort.

Just because you don't read what I reply (apparently) doesn't mean you are right. I said that the PS4 would have 5-10 extra frames per second, and that the XB1 would be at 30 and the PS4 would be at 35-40.

I stand by that prediction despite what that anonymous source says.

total bandwidth on the Xbox One is like 256gb compared to the PS4 at around 176gb. 

xhawk27

Yeah we know what superior banwidth claims means coming from MS,hell 256GB/s you say.? That is sh** the xbox 360 has 278GB/s,i guess that make the xbox 360 more powerful than the xbox one,by the way that chart was posted by Major Nelson it self.

Wait did Major nelson claim superior CPU.? :lol: You know how Major nelson came to this conclusion on this chart.? He compare the PPE in Cell vs the 3 cores of the xbox 360 CPU,but he did let out the SPE's how convenient right.?

So anything that comes from Major Nelson mouth should be taken with a ocean full of salt,if they make this bold claims this last gen,when the xbox 360 and PS3 were very close in power,imagine what they will say now that their unit is heavily out power.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

I don't know if they are right or not. But, I will say this: there is more to a car than it's horsepower. ;)

tormentos

Yeah but since consoles don't have torke and weight isn't a problem and wind resistance your comparison is completely invalid.

No it's not. You are just looking at things through cow glasses. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried...

 

Just because you don't read what I reply (apparently) doesn't mean you are right. I said that the PS4 would have 5-10 extra frames per second, and that the XB1 would be at 30 and the PS4 would be at 35-40.

I stand by that prediction despite what that anonymous source says.

StormyJoe

No you claimed a tons of times that both will be close or that the difference will be minimal.

You are saying the xbox one version will run at 30 while the PS4 version 35 or 40,which is wrong because almost all games on consoles are locked to 30,many don't even get locd at 30 and perform under,so if a game is lock at 30 it will run at 20 or lower on xbox one,even on lower resolution,so MS will have to give allot of detail to actually been able to make the difference,the xbox one and PS4 are basically closed PC's,and work much like them when you can have 30 FPS with 1080p something has to be downgraded to reach it,and since frames are not reaching 30,that mean lower quality or lower resolution or even both.

 

No it's not. You are just looking at things through cow glasses. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried...

StormyJoe

Really so the size of the xbox one and weight will affect its performance.?

How aboput wind resistance,or more torke,shorter or longer gears,come on comparing cars to console in power is silly,because on cars there are a set of variables that count toward the performance of the car.

In this case the xbox one is a Hunday Accent and the PS4 is a Hunday Velloster Turbo,no matter if you use 100 optane gasoline and racing wheels the Velloster still is faster.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Just because you don't read what I reply (apparently) doesn't mean you are right. I said that the PS4 would have 5-10 extra frames per second, and that the XB1 would be at 30 and the PS4 would be at 35-40.

I stand by that prediction despite what that anonymous source says.

tormentos

No you claimed a tons of times that both will be close or that the difference will be minimal.

You are saying the xbox one version will run at 30 while the PS4 version 35 or 40,which is wrong because almost all games on consoles are locked to 30,many don't even get locd at 30 and perform under,so if a game is lock at 30 it will run at 20 or lower on xbox one,even on lower resolution,so MS will have to give allot of detail to actually been able to make the difference,the xbox one and PS4 are basically closed PC's,and work much like them when you can have 30 FPS with 1080p something has to be downgraded to reach it,and since frames are not reaching 30,that mean lower quality or lower resolution or even both.

Do you even know "how" they "lock" things to 30FPS? You don't - because you don't know a damn thing about software/game development. What that means is that they set the max to 30FPS. So, while the PS4 "could" go higher, it probably would have issues at 60FPS, which is the next divisible number.

I have no dout XB1 games will be able to hit 30FPS. The fact that you think it can't, makes me laugh.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

No it's not. You are just looking at things through cow glasses. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried...

tormentos

Really so the size of the xbox one and weight will affect its performance.?

How aboput wind resistance,or more torke,shorter or longer gears,come on comparing cars to console in power is silly,because on cars there are a set of variables that count toward the performance of the car.

In this case the xbox one is a Hunday Accent and the PS4 is a Hunday Velloster Turbo,no matter if you use 100 optane gasoline and racing wheels the Velloster still is faster.

You're an idiot. The APIs, ESRAM, the OS, etc.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

i will never get how sony dudes act like gfx are important to them or that something like this even means anything.

hell, they called killzone 2 console gfx king and it was 640p.

with the other tricks they use in games you can't even tell when something falls below minimum hi def standards.

this entire gen piles of games were upscaled 540 and 640 you didn't even know it.

do you really think you can tell 900 from 1080?

tormentos

Killzone 2 = 1280x720 (QAA)
Killzone 3 = 1280x720 2D, 640x716 3D, (both MLAA )

http://beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1113344

Killzone was 720P and was 640P on 3D mode..:lol:

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]Who were the developers? If we don't know who the developers are than this doesn't mean anything. They could have a vested interest in PS4 being successful over X1.Tessellation

Really you will ask this.? MS will smoke those companies,will block games,would block DLC will do their life misserable.

In the end is MS who reserve the right to give a go to your games on xbox one,and they can make your life a living hell.

Yeah and those developers will not get in  trouble with MS.

There are many news out there about how MS make many developers life misserable,in fact several would just not make games for xbox one just for that,like Oddworld creator,which actually worked close with MS in the xbox days.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="Zero5000X"]Who were the developers? If we don't know who the developers are than this doesn't mean anything. They could have a vested interest in PS4 being successful over X1.tormentos

Really you will ask this.? MS will smoke those companies,will block games,would block DLC will do their life misserable.

In the end is MS who reserve the right to give a go to your games on xbox one,and they can make your life a living hell.

Yeah and those developers will not get in  trouble with MS.

There are many news out there about how MS make many developers life misserable,in fact several would just not make games for xbox one just for that,like Oddworld creator,which actually worked close with MS in the xbox days.

 

You're an idiot. The APIs, ESRAM, the OS, etc.

StormyJoe

Actually you are the idiot who think that 32MB of fast ram will beat 8GB of fast ram,what ever doesn't fit on those 32MB will cause a hell of allot of problems,regardless of how fast the ESRAM is speed on the whole 8 GB of ram is slow ass 68GB/s,which also had to feed the CPU by the way,apparently you think that MS will store 5GB of data on 32MB of ESRAM,is just a frame buffer Killzone SF already use like 40MB Killzone SF on xbox one would give a hell of allot of problems.

MS API sucks,developers hate them they are good for ease of work but are restrictive,the PS4 has some great ones to but not as restrictive,this is the reason why so many people on Neogaf are making fun of Nelson and Albert we invented directx,yeah we know but another person invented OpenGL.

Isn't the OS on the xbox one more heavy than the PS4 one.? It even use 10% of the GPU.

Hell the PS4 has a second CPU that is not even account for in the whole equation,yet MS count on their performance even the wires on the xbox one controller,hell i would not be surprice to see them claim xbox one is more powerful because the controller use Duracell batteries 1.5 watts.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

 

No it's not. You are just looking at things through cow glasses. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried...

tormentos

Really so the size of the xbox one and weight will affect its performance.?

How aboput wind resistance,or more torke,shorter or longer gears,come on comparing cars to console in power is silly,because on cars there are a set of variables that count toward the performance of the car.

In this case the xbox one is a Hunday Accent and the PS4 is a Hunday Velloster Turbo,no matter if you use 100 optane gasoline and racing wheels the Velloster still is faster.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

i will never get how sony dudes act like gfx are important to them or that something like this even means anything.

hell, they called killzone 2 console gfx king and it was 640p.

with the other tricks they use in games you can't even tell when something falls below minimum hi def standards.

this entire gen piles of games were upscaled 540 and 640 you didn't even know it.

do you really think you can tell 900 from 1080?

mitu123

Killzone 2 = 1280x720 (QAA)
Killzone 3 = 1280x720 2D, 640x716 3D, (both MLAA )

http://beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1113344

Killzone was 720P and was 640P on 3D mode..:lol:

"The poor [graphics] drivers made it difficult to push either of them, and the developers aren't familiar with the hardware yet"

 

Interesting.....

 

Both Sony and Microsoft has s***** graphics drivers.

Blazed

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

Killzone 2 = 1280x720 (QAA)
Killzone 3 = 1280x720 2D, 640x716 3D, (both MLAA )

 

http://beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1113344

 

Killzone was 720P and was 640P on 3D mode..:lol:

Mr-Kutaragi

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

Killzone 2 = 1280x720 (QAA)
Killzone 3 = 1280x720 2D, 640x716 3D, (both MLAA )

 

http://beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1113344

 

Killzone was 720P and was 640P on 3D mode..:lol:

Mr-Kutaragi

:lol: Poor lems are stuck with an overpriced pos with last gen graphics :lol: 

[QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"][QUOTE="mitu123"]Killzone 3's MLAA is just awful, still had a ton of jaggies. God of War 3 had better use of MLAA, and even Little Big Planet 2.

killzowned24

It always depended on where it's used, like in these screens it's not done well:

 i dont like the xbox one, but edge needs to stop getting hard-ons for sony lol.

Avalanche spoke publicly and they haven't get their games canceled on xbox one.Tessellation

But they may get in trouble,can face DLC problems many developers who wanted to give free content on xbox talked about MS would let their DLC in sertification for ever,and would ignore it.

Indie faced similar problems to.

http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/ThomasSteinke/20130202/185921/

True is MS can make your life a living hell on the console.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

 

I have never said the PS4 doesn't have better numbers than XB1. However, 1/2 the information in that article is old. I am not quite sure why that article came out today. For instance, the APIs for XB1 were finished after E3, and it has already gone into production - yet the article states the contrary.

StormyJoe

You claim that games will be the same,or will have little difference that basically go against admiting the advantage the PS4 has.

I told you so if the game on PS4 is targeting 1080p 30 FPS with great graphics the xbox one version would run on 20 or lower FPS,in fact i actually predicted that both would still mantain the same resolution,but i was wrong the xbox one would run at 20FPS with 1600X900 which is lower than 1080p.

The were report from Gamescom as well where developer were also claming advantage for the Ps4,dude i have pain the scenarios like 10 times,ESRAM will change nothing is there to help MS GPU to not become bandwidth starved is not and enhancer or anything of that sort.

Just because you don't read what I reply (apparently) doesn't mean you are right. I said that the PS4 would have 5-10 extra frames per second, and that the XB1 would be at 30 and the PS4 would be at 35-40.

I stand by that prediction despite what that anonymous source says.

30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but itll run at 20-something FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One

30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but itll run at 20-something FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One

30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but itll run at 20-something FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One

just for you.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

 

No it's not. You are just looking at things through cow glasses. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried...

StormyJoe

Really so the size of the xbox one and weight will affect its performance.?

How aboput wind resistance,or more torke,shorter or longer gears,come on comparing cars to console in power is silly,because on cars there are a set of variables that count toward the performance of the car.

In this case the xbox one is a Hunday Accent and the PS4 is a Hunday Velloster Turbo,no matter if you use 100 optane gasoline and racing wheels the Velloster still is faster.

You're an idiot. The APIs, ESRAM, the OS, etc.

xbone not even out and you already in meltdown mode xD