EGM: Killzone 2 Looks and Plays so beautifully already, no delay is needed!!

It will flop. Money can't buy talent. Just look at Gears of War. It was made with a measly $10 million, but it is one of the best games of all time.bungie93

Gears is a good game? Certainly not.

Hopefully Killzone 2 will be good, but graphics doesnt define a game. If EGM does say that tho there has to be something good about it.

[QUOTE="bungie93"]It will flop. Money can't buy talent. Just look at Gears of War. It was made with a measly $10 million, but it is one of the best games of all time.beinss

Gears is a good game? Certainly not.

Hopefully Killzone 2 will be good, but graphics doesnt define a game. If EGM does say that tho there has to be something good about it.

Man i dont know what to go on. Gamesmaster were actually quite kind to the original, but they say the second one is shaping up to be very mediocre. But now EGM say it's awesome.

So confused. :cry:

Was't the point of delay to aviod the competition?Marka1700

Also to avoid cannibalizism. So Sony's game don't kill each others sales.

Eh, that really doesn't sound like them at all.

They're some of the most pessimistic game journalists on the planet. >_>

MoldOnHold

No kidding, they rip on the smallest issues in a game at full force. I'm surprised they actually said that about Killzone 2. I guess I'll keep an eye open for it even though I'm not much of a fan of console FPS.

but it was delayed.....-GhostMLD-

Wow, thats it. Lemmings arguments are looking dumber and dumberer with each passing month.

It will flop. Money can't buy talent. Just look at Gears of War. It was made with a measly $10 million, but it is far from one of the best games of all time.bungie93

There, I fixed it for ya.

Killzone 2 fears Gears Of War 2, that's why they delayed it, and threw Resistance 2 in the Lion's den instead.

It will flop. Money can't buy talent. Just look at Gears of War. It was made with a measly $10 million, but it is one of the best games of all time.bungie93

Money speaks louder than words. That's how MS got Bungie.

It will flop. Money can't buy talent. Just look at Gears of War. It was made with a measly $10 million, but it is one of the best games of all time.bungie93

Of all the shipments of fail and facepalms that have flooded the internet, one has not yet been made to descibe my utter dismay at this point.

It will flop. Money can't buy talent. Just look at Gears of War. It was made with a measly $10 million, but it is one of the best games of all time.bungie93

We really need an epic /facepalm for this. What about MS and Bungie? :lol:

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[QUOTE="Marka1700"]Was't the point of delay to aviod the competition?ImSwordMan

No. They are releasing Socom in September and Resistance 2 in November. It would be stupid to release 3 shooters within 3 months of each other.

360 did that last year and they did fine

September-Halo 3

October-Orange Box

November-Call of Duty 4

How well did OB sell?

good news!

Well, that's better news.

But I really hope they've taken out respawning enemies and lame "fire on exposed pylon" sequences.

Definitely going to buy this game

I don't know how many times this must be said, but graphics alone don't make a game. It might have a lot of nifty features that you speak of, but might still lack in an array of other departments. Let's just hope it's a good game. Exeed_Orbit

They did say it is a great game

And these are the same guys that said Killzone 2's A.I. was bad. :o

I want to read this.

And these are the same guys that said Killzone 2's A.I. was bad. :o

I want to read this.

They also touch on A.I saying how ir is jts improved a lot. Oh and another thing is the dev said that Multiplayer isand the just as important on single player and they are working very hard on making a very deep multiplayer aspect of the game. EGM did have one complaint however saying that one part where you control a tank seemed a bit predictable and linear but it wasnt a huge issue

leviathan91

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

[QUOTE="Marka1700"]Was't the point of delay to aviod the competition?ImSwordMan

No. They are releasing Socom in September and Resistance 2 in November. It would be stupid to release 3 shooters within 3 months of each other.

360 did that last year and they did fine

September-Halo 3

October-Orange Box

November-Call of Duty 4

Exactly......I never understood why Sony chooses to shoot themselves in the foot over and over. They have great games to release but they dont' want to release too many. IT's like they dont' want to give TOO many reasons to buy a PS3.

Just what are they thinking delaying it.....delay Resistance 2 for crying out loud....not this game.

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]Guys, back off Bungie93. While i dont agree with his "KZ2 will flop" comments, there is nothing wrong with him thinking GeOW is one of the best games of all time. It has garnered high ratings, great critical reception, and is a great game to boot. Yes, i know the throne of best game is a very subjective one, but his opinion isnt stupid or bad. Its not like he said Big Rigs is the best game ever...then it would've been ok to flame him. So just back offa him, and find another topic to argue with him about :Pbungie93

If I said MGS4 was one of the best games of all time, no one would bat an eye, but for some reason, Gears is not one of the best, even though it is ranked much higher.

Gears is not ranked higher than MGS4...

[QUOTE="ImSwordMan"][QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

[QUOTE="Marka1700"]Was't the point of delay to aviod the competition?darthogre

No. They are releasing Socom in September and Resistance 2 in November. It would be stupid to release 3 shooters within 3 months of each other.

360 did that last year and they did fine

September-Halo 3

October-Orange Box

November-Call of Duty 4

Exactly......I never understood why Sony chooses to shoot themselves in the foot over and over. They have great games to release but they dont' want to release too many. IT's like they dont' want to give TOO many reasons to buy a PS3.

Just what are they thinking delaying it.....delay Resistance 2 for crying out loud....not this game.

No, it was a smart business decision to push it... it will recieve way more attention in Feb than it will in Nov. Only Halo 3 and COD4 sold well... The Orange Box may have sold better if it hadn't released b/w those two games.

[QUOTE="bungie93"]

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]Guys, back off Bungie93. While i dont agree with his "KZ2 will flop" comments, there is nothing wrong with him thinking GeOW is one of the best games of all time. It has garnered high ratings, great critical reception, and is a great game to boot. Yes, i know the throne of best game is a very subjective one, but his opinion isnt stupid or bad. Its not like he said Big Rigs is the best game ever...then it would've been ok to flame him. So just back offa him, and find another topic to argue with him about :PSgt_Hale

If I said MGS4 was one of the best games of all time, no one would bat an eye, but for some reason, Gears is not one of the best, even though it is ranked much higher.

Gears is not ranked higher than MGS4...

I would assume he is using metacritic or gamerankings, as Gears is above MGS4 there. I am not saying I agree, just pointing out where I think he was basing his arguement from.

No, it was a smart business decision to push it... it will recieve way more attention in Feb than it will in Nov. Only Halo 3 and COD4 sold well... The Orange Box may have sold better if it hadn't released b/w those two games. Sgt_Hale

You state "smart business decision" and then say it's better to have it release in Feb.

Ok, ask any retailer around the world how much business they do the last 2 months of the year. Now ask how much business they do in Feb. The problem is if you are basing it on a "smart business decision" the best stratedgy is to release it during a time where people are SPENDING money. On a time where people are trying to decide if they should buy the PS3 or not.

You underestimate the power of gifts and causual during the last two months of the year. A worthless game could sell good during that time while a great game released in Feb could fail misearably in sales.

I'm not bashing KZ2, I think it's going to be a stellar game. My problem is with the current economic climate, why would Sony chance having such a big investment like KZ2 release in a period where people are not looking to buy anything? I'm not saying they should release KZ2 and Resistance 2 at the same time or even back to back weeks.......but for the love of god if you do it, try to get them both out before the end of Nov (by Black Friday). If both the games are that great, people will buy BOTH.

It will flop. Money can't buy talent. Just look at Gears of War. It was made with a measly $10 million, but it is one of the best games of all time.bungie93

not a suppriseing statement looking at your name

[QUOTE="Sgt_Hale"][QUOTE="bungie93"]

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]Guys, back off Bungie93. While i dont agree with his "KZ2 will flop" comments, there is nothing wrong with him thinking GeOW is one of the best games of all time. It has garnered high ratings, great critical reception, and is a great game to boot. Yes, i know the throne of best game is a very subjective one, but his opinion isnt stupid or bad. Its not like he said Big Rigs is the best game ever...then it would've been ok to flame him. So just back offa him, and find another topic to argue with him about :PSpruceCaboose

If I said MGS4 was one of the best games of all time, no one would bat an eye, but for some reason, Gears is not one of the best, even though it is ranked much higher.

Gears is not ranked higher than MGS4...

I would assume he is using metacritic or gamerankings, as Gears is above MGS4 there. I am not saying I agree, just pointing out where I think he was basing his arguement from.

Maybe gamerankings... MGS4 is actually rated higher on metacritic. Anyway, I don't dispute the fact that Gears is great... just not MGS great. And I understand that even that is a matter of opinion. MGS is more for hardcore gamers, Gears was more of an arcadey gore fest accessible to just about all gamers.

You state "smart business decision" and then say it's better to have it release in Feb.

Ok, ask any retailer around the world how much business they do the last 2 months of the year. Now ask how much business they do in Feb. The problem is if you are basing it on a "smart business decision" the best stratedgy is to release it during a time where people are SPENDING money. On a time where people are trying to decide if they should buy the PS3 or not.

darthogre

Devil May Cry 4 and GTA IV both released in the post-Holiday "dead time" this year and both were very nice successes at the registers.

it got delayed because sony are scared of Gears 2 .. this isn't just fanboyism talking, but gears was so popular that this move is understandable

so they're putting it up against resistance 2 .. antoher important game for sony, but killzone 2 is the big one

it got delayed because sony are scared of Gears 2 .. this isn't just fanboyism talking, but gears was so popular that this move is understandable

so they're putting it up against resistance 2 .. antoher important game for sony, but killzone 2 is the big one

akif22

You think Sony gives a crap about Gears 2? They're focusing on how they roll out shooters so they don't constantly fill one month with a million shooters. The fact that a strong shooter, SOCOM: Confrontation is coming out September leaves November free to Resistance. Then, they keep working on KZ2 which gets a Feb. release. It's all marketting. Nothing to do with Gears 2. What you said exactly there was fanboyism talking. It's a strategic move. And titles like SOCOM were announced at that date before Gears 2 was even announced. The world doesn't revolve around Gears 2.

[QUOTE="Sgt_Hale"]

No, it was a smart business decision to push it... it will recieve way more attention in Feb than it will in Nov. Only Halo 3 and COD4 sold well... The Orange Box may have sold better if it hadn't released b/w those two games. darthogre

You state "smart business decision" and then say it's better to have it release in Feb.

Ok, ask any retailer around the world how much business they do the last 2 months of the year. Now ask how much business they do in Feb. The problem is if you are basing it on a "smart business decision" the best stratedgy is to release it during a time where people are SPENDING money. On a time where people are trying to decide if they should buy the PS3 or not.

You underestimate the power of gifts and causual during the last two months of the year. A worthless game could sell good during that time while a great game released in Feb could fail misearably in sales.

I'm not bashing KZ2, I think it's going to be a stellar game. My problem is with the current economic climate, why would Sony chance having such a big investment like KZ2 release in a period where people are not looking to buy anything? I'm not saying they should release KZ2 and Resistance 2 at the same time or even back to back weeks.......but for the love of god if you do it, try to get them both out before the end of Nov (by Black Friday). If both the games are that great, people will buy BOTH.

A great game with no competition will fare well in the Feb/March time frame. Games have sold millions of copies in Feb/March... Lost Planet, God of War, Devil May Cry etc... It is important to have high quality games available in the holiday... but it is equally important to have a few high quality games to continue sales momentum after/before the holiday. It was a smart decision.

If I had to choose between Resistance 2 & KZ2, it would have been R2 all the way... that plus SOCOM will be releasing around the same time. And Little Big Planet as well. They have a lot of high profile titles competing for holiday dollars already. And consumers are only going to spend so much of their discretionary income on games for those few months (there's a ton of multiplats to compete with too)... so while there may be more overall spending over the holiday, there's also a lower chance that money spent will all be towards your games.

Even if KZ2 sold well during the holiday... it could do so at the risk of R2, SOCOM, or LBP not selling as well. These are all titles that will sell reasonably well any way if given the proper spacing... the extra time can only help, not hurt.

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

You state "smart business decision" and then say it's better to have it release in Feb.

Ok, ask any retailer around the world how much business they do the last 2 months of the year. Now ask how much business they do in Feb. The problem is if you are basing it on a "smart business decision" the best stratedgy is to release it during a time where people are SPENDING money. On a time where people are trying to decide if they should buy the PS3 or not.

SpruceCaboose

Devil May Cry 4 and GTA IV both released in the post-Holiday "dead time" this year and both were very nice successes at the registers.

If KZ2 sold as much as DMC4 it should be considered a FAILURE....DMC4 has only sold a little over a million copies. You do realize the amount of dev time and $$$ this game has recieved right? The cost to make the game is like the GNP for some small countries.

Oh and I like the comparison to GTA4 and KZ2........one franchise sold over 10 million units of the previous installment and the other sold less than a million.

The fact that the only big game I've ever seen released the past 8 years in a non-holiday time period is GTA4 says a lot. They can get away with it because its GTA.......you can't say that with Killzone.

It was delayed because sony new it would have to go up against GEOW 2,and it would get creamed.

They're already sacrificing Resistance 2,so it'll take some of the heat away for when KZ 2 and its disgusting PS2 textures hit the shelves.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="darthogre"]

You state "smart business decision" and then say it's better to have it release in Feb.

Ok, ask any retailer around the world how much business they do the last 2 months of the year. Now ask how much business they do in Feb. The problem is if you are basing it on a "smart business decision" the best stratedgy is to release it during a time where people are SPENDING money. On a time where people are trying to decide if they should buy the PS3 or not.

darthogre

Devil May Cry 4 and GTA IV both released in the post-Holiday "dead time" this year and both were very nice successes at the registers.

If KZ2 sold as much as DMC4 it should be considered a FAILURE....DMC4 has only sold a little over a million copies. You do realize the amount of dev time and $$$ this game has recieved right? The cost to make the game is like the GNP for some small countries.

Devil May Cry has sold more than a million copies on both the 360 and PS3. Its over 2 million sold, not including PC sales.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="darthogre"]

You state "smart business decision" and then say it's better to have it release in Feb.

Ok, ask any retailer around the world how much business they do the last 2 months of the year. Now ask how much business they do in Feb. The problem is if you are basing it on a "smart business decision" the best stratedgy is to release it during a time where people are SPENDING money. On a time where people are trying to decide if they should buy the PS3 or not.

darthogre

Devil May Cry 4 and GTA IV both released in the post-Holiday "dead time" this year and both were very nice successes at the registers.

If KZ2 sold as much as DMC4 it should be considered a FAILURE....DMC4 has only sold a little over a million copies. .

I thought DMC4 broke a million on both consoles. :|

[QUOTE="bungie93"]It will flop. Money can't buy talent. Just look at Gears of War. It was made with a measly $10 million, but it is one of the best games of all time.ski11buzz

did you read his post? EGM are saying that its a great game

Also when is 10 million measly? :lol:

[QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="darthogre"]

You state "smart business decision" and then say it's better to have it release in Feb.

Ok, ask any retailer around the world how much business they do the last 2 months of the year. Now ask how much business they do in Feb. The problem is if you are basing it on a "smart business decision" the best stratedgy is to release it during a time where people are SPENDING money. On a time where people are trying to decide if they should buy the PS3 or not.

Lionheart08

Devil May Cry 4 and GTA IV both released in the post-Holiday "dead time" this year and both were very nice successes at the registers.

If KZ2 sold as much as DMC4 it should be considered a FAILURE....DMC4 has only sold a little over a million copies. .

I thought DMC4 broke a million on both consoles. :|

It did. And its in the top 20 in sales on PS3 and top 40 on 360.

It was delayed because sony new it would have to go up against GEOW 2,and it would get creamed.

They're already sacrificing Resistance 2,so it'll take some of the heat away for when KZ 2 and its disgusting PS2 textures hit the shelves.

GabeNewellsPie

Discusting textures? thats what they said about MGS4, and look how wrong they got that. Even GS said the textures were great.

Killzone 2 will be a great game. They put R2 up against it beicse thats a more fitting match. the games both look and play good. Killzone 2 already looks and seems to play better gears 2 is no problem.

thye did not release it early as R2 and KZ2 being released at once would mean dismal sales for both.