Emily Rogers: NX console is not x86, blows

Nintendo's first party IP wasn't able to change Wii U's result from being last. While having similar X360's unit sales pace, XBO wasn't able to rival PS4's result.

PS4 NEO with 8 core ZEN Lite + Polaris 10 (4.2-to-4.4 TFLOPS version) for $399 price may accelerated Sony's lead.

For casual gamers, if AMD's next PC APU has mobile Polaris 11 with 2.5 TFLOPS (1.4 Ghz, 14 CU), there's very little point for NX with near XBO power's 1.3 TFLOPS. PC APU has other work loads beyond gaming.

The reason why the price of the ps4 went up was because of the bad Canadian dollar.

That's extremely optimistic, considering the sales of Nintendo-like games on those platforms. It could result in high sales for Mario Kart, 2D Mario, and Smash, but the rest of Nintendo's lineup isn't heavily influenced by userbase size (especially Zelda).

The odds that half of Nintendo's potential userbase is made up of graphics whores is ridiculously small.

Because you so speak for the PlayStation/PC/XBOX crowd? The majority of them may say one thing, but they'll do another, just like politicians.

@nintendoboy16:

Nintendo would not have the R&D freedom they have if they were a 3rd party developer.

That's what I read as well.

No, not more than Minecraft, but as well.

I know plenty of people who would buy Nintendo games on their PS4/XB1. I'm not saying they will sell like GTA games, but definitely better than they did on the Wii U.

This doesn't sound good at all...

gotta remain positive. Hopefully Nintendo realized that a weak system that was hard to develop for was bad for them. If they didn't learn this lesson then its gonna be a tough generation for them. Stuff like this is why I do miss Yamauchi. He always made sure that the system was powerful. Even leading up to the GCN.

I highly doubt the NX will be that hard to develop for, but even if it is not that hard to develop for I don't think it will be easy for them to get the third party support the other consoles usually get.

Sorry, but not even a few guys you know sum up the apparent interest you're trying to damage control from YOUR OWN POST. The PC/PS/XBOX audience has either moved LONG PASSED Nintendo (as proven since the PlayStation) or never did at all and only want a third party Nintendo because of one word: GREED.

I can only think of one "Nintendo game" that would benefit as a multiplatform release, and that's only because it was a third party game to begin with (and in my collection, as much third party as Adam Jensen and LEGO renditions of Iron Man/Spider-Man/any of the X-Men/Deadpool), it's prequel sold MUCH more on other consoles, and it's audience hates Nintendo like Glenn Quagmire does Brian Griffin.

What the hell Nintendo go cheap again.? I don't believe this ill wait for a real confirmation,because it is so fu**ing obvious what is happening on the market now that having a better version of COD would probably get nintendo better results that trying to fine another wii gimmick.

Besides on the time they went out to make this new platform there were cheaper more powerful GPU than what MS and sony pay for the PS4 and xbox one back on 2013 even if it isn't by much.

It's not a case of hard, if it's different are the devs going to bother optimising their stuff for a different architecture?

Look how the Wii-U turned out with Xbox360 ports.

Well thats sucks

@techhog89: Do they really want to go out of business IF , i repeat , IF rumors are true ? The main reason why X1 isnt selling and losing big momentum as we speak vs PS4 is its hardware specs .. it was 3 years ago and its still is the case.And now Nintendo might release an X1 kind of machine on a price tag of what ? 399 / 350 / 300 ?

What the hell is this rumor , a turn off.

There are more reasons that specs. Relative value is one of them. NX will not be a powerhouse. Just accept that and hope that it's cheap.

This might not be as bad as people are making it seem. Nintendo doesn't need to be more powerful than PS4, it just needs good 3rd party support and a good online infrastructure. They are not going to be stealing customers from Sony anytime soon but with good 3rd party support and their already stellar first party they could still be relatively successful. If they chase after power they run the risk of having an expensive console that's out of reach of their target consumers.

Imagine this thing being Nintendo's main console up to year ~2021 and still have a bunch of 720p titles being released haha. How could you not laugh at Nintendo? Its not possible lmao.

I talked to my 27 sources and 70% said Emily Rogers is wrong 40% percent of the time every time.

Translation? I'll wait for facts before I start believing Mary Poppins.

What do you mean? Of course they could have a disk drive put in. There are plenty of companies still doing them. I don't think that's the reason. Lets wait first, then we'll find out.

Its not that that readily available from what I heard and companies are moving away from optical drives because they're old technology.

Nintendo's first party wasn't able to change Wii U's result.

NX's XBO like performance may yield XBO like sales result, but the difference is NX is about 3 years late.

If NX comes out in the same power range as X1/PS4, it is DOA.

So, multiple people are popping up saying that it's Tegra. That explains it. Nintendo is trying to make a cheap secondary console.

And you think that simply being super powerful would result in PS4-like sales? Wii U had way more problems than power and third-party support.

What if it's $200?

If it's a true handheld/console hybrid I'd be totally ok it with that. It'll look great on the tv, and would be an insanely powerful handheld. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Not shocking. Nintendo's main target isn't the core gamer.

What color is the sky in your world?

I think you are correct. It's going to be a handheld with a wireless HDMI dongle to screencast to your TV (with additional logic for frame interpolation and upscaling).

When you are at home you play on your TV like you normally would on a console - but you can walk out the door and continue to play without skipping a beat.

So, it turns out that Emily meant that the actual specs look similar to XB1 on paper, not that it performs around the level of XB1. Add this in with the fact that she said that Nvidia is involved, and this could mean anything. However, if it's an Nvidia GPU and the specs are close on paper, performance is PS4 or better.

@techhog89: And you say this NOW?!

There is no one else interested in Nintendo.

Yep.

From what you heard? Mhm, I'm on the wait and see side.

If the big N avoid optical, we'll see a Gamecube like situation with alienated 3rd parties once again, where certain games simply won't release on the NX due to space constraints...especially as this gen wears on and game files have already been hitting 50GB, not to mention the possibility of double discs games (100+ GB).

Only just found it out. It's too late at this point though.

50GB standard Blu-Ray discs are already dual-layered. There are 100GB UHD Blu-Ray discs, but current consoles can't read those.

Nintendo should be listening to their fans more if this is true.

So that Super Metal Dave? youtube guy could be right ..specs look similar/same but performance is better due to newer/more modern better performing chip even though its not AMD... :P

@SolidTy:I don't think its out of this realm they decide to go with something different. The problem is Nintendo isn't someone who has relations with a company that has a need for manufacturing optical drives and at this point in time people aren't producing them in factories as often anymore as there isn't really a need for optical disc drives. By finding someone they might have to pay more and they aren't exactly like Sony or Microsoft where they just happen to have different divisions for different things, Nintendo doesn't have tendotops or tendopads or tendos2007.

Microsoft naturally has the money and resources to make one if they wanted (especially since they have a an OS division, a surface division, a research division) while Nintendo is just a game company. Sony also has optical disc drives because they need them as they produce them regularly to sell their devices. Not that people I know are great sources but I do think they have some things to say on the topic.

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off topic but just some thoughts

It's made me think of possibly having a hard drive you bring to gamestop and download games at gamestop digitally rather than buying a disc or a serial code there. In the next 10 years if gamestop doesn't find a way to sell games without physical discs they'll lose business so they have to find a way so maybe it is a different way of playing a game is have them become a digital retail store that allows people to receive their games even if they have horrible internet and don't want to deal with patches.

Yes, that's what I meant. My main point was the 3rd party alienation that would come if Nintendo avoids optical.

In the case of 50+ GB games, publishers have the option of going multidisc...and of course, we have yet to see what PS4 Neo and Xbone slim offer us.

@shadowchronicle: I don't think it's out of the realm of possibly either, as the N64, Gamecube, Wii, and Wii U have shown us all Nintendo beats to a different drummer. Rather I'm worried about the fallout of such an alienating decision (with regards to publishers) by the big N.

@SolidTy: Neo won't allow games to be on UHD Blu-ray because the discs must be compatible with PS4 Base. Also, there's nothing stopping cartridges from being treated like discs and not allowing saves to them, or even simply allowing installs. It's not 1996 anymore. Hell, we don't even know how big the cartridges are. 64GB as the largest option seems very likely.

With less rendering quality, TX1 has 1 TFLOPS 16 FP mode which is close enough to XBO's 1.31 TFLOPS 32bit FP.

Emily's statement

In terms of raw power, numerous sources tell me that NX is much closer to Xbox One than PlayStation 4. Even that might be stretching it a tiny bit.

If NX has XBO's raw power or greater, but less than PS4, Emily wouldn't be stating "Even that might be stretching it a tiny bit."

Repeating the same bullshit from NeoGaf (not directed at you). That unwise poster was countered by another NeoGaf poster.

I don't care how great Nintendo thinks their games are another low powered Nintendo only box ain't gonna sell shit.

Does Nintendo honestly think the Wii U would have done a lot better if it only had more 1st party titles? Sorry, but that wouldn't have changed its fate. Nintendo making games that only appeals to Nintendo fans while also having such weak hardware that third party developers don't even want to bother porting games to it is what the issue is.

@emgesp: indeed. The problem is the people they listen to and indeed the people who will disagree are the very people who are always on board with Nintendo, and the pool of people buying their consoles is less and less each gen. They need to listen to the people who wont buy their consoles too.

Not enough mature titles. Low powered and gimmicky that limits the games and makes the console massively overpriced. Massive droughts. No third party. Too many games based in the mushroom kingdom. You can make as many excuses as you want but these are valid concerns that the stay aways are making, and if you want to grow your customer base, well, the corporate slaves don't mean anything at this stage.

Nintendo catching up in hardware power, they been 1 gen behind since Wii, to bad they not release a powerful enough console that can last longer time.