Enslaved Odysey to the West. does it EXPOSE 360 Devs as LAZY?

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

I don't know when I first played Uncharted, the Running and Walking felt a bit off.

The Jumping exactly reminds me of Uncharted.

SolidSiems

Yeah ok im getting what Youre saying...

Enslaved demo did feel abit like UC2 because of the cinematic feel when jumping around a exploding ship.

More games are doing this like the upcoming Dead Space 2.

Yeah ok I guess its a good thing :)

I'm okay with it as long as the game's overall design (if it's not a linear game like inFamous) get's damaged by it. Dead Space 2, Uncharted & Enslaved are linear games so these things make sense.

The other thing is that, sometimes I wish I could skip through these parts as if they were cutscenes in UC2. Especially when your going back to certain chapters to get the plat.

[QUOTE="Renzokucant"]lol I laughed when you said it looks as good as uncharted.. It sooo does notLegatoSkyheart

hahaha as good as UC2? Only in lemming's dreams.mystervj

Now people are just in denail here.

also this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5T2zD6Zy0o

the amount of screen-tearing and framerate drops is just painful. are they really going to ship a game like this? i don't care if the story is good. i'm not buying an unfinished product. thats like watching a movie with awkward cuts, or buying a book with a torn page.

Heavenly Sword is a 3-year-old game and it runs and looks better than this.

at least, there's still Castlevania.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

[QUOTE="Renzokucant"]

[QUOTE="mystervj"]hahaha as good as UC2? Only in lemming's dreams.mystervj

Now people are just in denail here.

He could maybe like the art style? Hell not everything in the world of "I like it's graphics" are technical. Liking something is corolated to one's tastes which are "normally" subjective. Also he was talking about the animations in Enslaved.

[QUOTE="Asim90"]

I don't understand all the praise Enslaved gets for its graphics, they look extremely average and unpolished. The game just has a very unfinished look to it and is rough around the edges, this is of course my experience with the demo so things might have improved. But its nowhere near in the same league as game like U2, ME2, GOW3 etc.

LegatoSkyheart

Well I'm not looking at the Graphics, I'm looking at the Art Style and Gameplay.

I'm okay with it as long as the game's overall design (if it's not a linear game like inFamous) get's damaged by it. Dead Space 2, Uncharted & Enslaved are linear games so these things make sense.

The other thing is that, sometimes I wish I could skip through these parts as if they were cutscenes in UC2. Especially when your going back to certain chapters to get the plat.

sanim02

Yes it applies best to short story driven games...

I have a feeling enslaved will be as short and sweet as HS was, not worth buying day 1 for me.

[QUOTE="sanim02"]

I'm okay with it as long as the game's overall design (if it's not a linear game like inFamous) get's damaged by it. Dead Space 2, Uncharted & Enslaved are linear games so these things make sense.

The other thing is that, sometimes I wish I could skip through these parts as if they were cutscenes in UC2. Especially when your going back to certain chapters to get the plat.

SolidSiems

Yes it applies best to short story driven games...

I have a feeling enslaved will be as short and sweet as HS was, not worth buying day 1 for me.

I'm okay with story driven games but I like to make sure they are at least ~10 hours long and have some good replay value. I didn't buy Heavenly Swords because of that and waited until UC1 was cheap enough for a go. Well actually by the time I got my PS3, it was already quite cheap.:P

[QUOTE="mystervj"][QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

Now people are just in denail here.

sanim02

He could maybe like the art style? Hell not everything in the world of "I like it's graphics" are technical. Liking something is corolated to one's tastes which are "normally" subjective. Also he was talking about the animations in Enslaved.

Really, seems pretty obvious that enslaved is not nearly as good looking as UC2, do you have any press material that hailed the game as something to challenge UC2? I can find plenty for UC2.mystervj

Ok look, I'm not so much as for the Graphics, (not really sure how Uncharted and Enslaved look between each other) But Gameplay sure feels a lot like Uncharted.

He said I'm in denial, so it's about what I think, Enslaved doesn't match UC2 in any area, I've seen both game running, it's pretty obvious to me which is the more impressive game.mystervj

I've seen both Games, and Played Both Games, They Feel the Same, The Play the Same (not combat wise, that's different, One plays a bit like Brutal Legend while the Other is a Third Person Shooter.), They even have the same Cinematic Feel.

Enslaved is about as close as Uncharted as you're going to get for a Multiplat title.

I'm okay with story driven games but I like to make sure they are at least ~10 hours long and have some good replay value. I didn't buy Heavenly Swords because of that and waited until UC1 was cheap enough for a go. Well actually by the time I got my PS3, it was already quite cheap.:P

sanim02

Same...

Bought HS cheap and personaly loved it. I would expect nothing less from enslaved...

Just not at full price :)

[QUOTE="mystervj"]He said I'm in denial, so it's about what I think, Enslaved doesn't match UC2 in any area, I've seen both game running, it's pretty obvious to me which is the more impressive game.LegatoSkyheart

I've seen both Games, and Played Both Games, They Feel the Same, The Play the Same (not combat wise, that's different, One plays a bit like Brutal Legend while the Other is a Third Person Shooter.), They even have the same Cinematic Feel.

Enslaved is about as close as Uncharted as you're going to get for a Multiplat title.

I second this notion. Also he was giving his opinion was you were "enforcing" what "you believe" to be right.

[QUOTE="sanim02"]

I'm okay with story driven games but I like to make sure they are at least ~10 hours long and have some good replay value. I didn't buy Heavenly Swords because of that and waited until UC1 was cheap enough for a go. Well actually by the time I got my PS3, it was already quite cheap.:P

SolidSiems

Same...

Bought HS cheap and personaly loved it. I would expect nothing less from enslaved...

Just not at full price :)

I'll give HS a shot one day or another when I have more free time.:P I played the demo and got my ass kicked though.:P Probably because I was multi-tasking... Hell finished it at least.8)

[QUOTE="mystervj"]He said I'm in denial, so it's about what I think, Enslaved doesn't match UC2 in any area, I've seen both game running, it's pretty obvious to me which is the more impressive game.LegatoSkyheart

I've seen both Games, and Played Both Games, They Feel the Same, The Play the Same, They even have the same Cinematic Feel.

Enslaved is about as close as Uncharted as you're going to get for a Multiplat title.

I second this notion. Also he was giving his opinion was you were "enforcing" what "you believe" to be right.

sanim02

Eh I should really hold my tounge whenever I feel like someone is wrong.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

[QUOTE="mystervj"]He said I'm in denial, so it's about what I think, Enslaved doesn't match UC2 in any area, I've seen both game running, it's pretty obvious to me which is the more impressive game.mystervj

I've seen both Games, and Played Both Games, They Feel the Same, The Play the Same, They even have the same Cinematic Feel.

Enslaved is about as close as Uncharted as you're going to get for a Multiplat title.

YES! We're on the same page now!

[QUOTE="sanim02"]

I second this notion. Also he was giving his opinion was you were "enforcing" what "you believe" to be right.

LegatoSkyheart

Eh I should really hold my tounge whenever I feel like someone is wrong.

haha sometimes it's fun to switch that logic button off.:P

The only one to blame is MS. MS does not invest enough in 1st party studios that have the time and money to spend on these advanced graphics engines. 3rd parties will work on finding a balance between profitablity and portability (to multiple systems) so that means they will rarely push the graphical boundaries of any console.

EG101

It has more to do with design choices then it really has to do with hardware though, kz2 and uc2 are both extremely linear and scripted either way you have 2 systems with 512mb of ram they which was maxed out long ago, so they are just playing shuffle with the assets to see what looks best at this point.

also this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5T2zD6Zy0o

the amount of screen-tearing and framerate drops is just painful. are they really going to ship a game like this? i don't care if the story is good. i'm not buying an unfinished product. thats like watching a movie with awkward cuts, or buying a book with a torn page.

Heavenly Sword is a 3-year-old game and it runs and looks better than this.

at least, there's still Castlevania.

rawr89

pretty much if you say this game looks equal or better than ucharted 2, you didn't even play uncharted 2.

How many more games on 360 will people claim to look better than KZ2, UC2, and GOW3 and fail? People should really start to keep count for when people say those claims were never made.

[QUOTE="rawr89"]

also this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5T2zD6Zy0o

the amount of screen-tearing and framerate drops is just painful. are they really going to ship a game like this? i don't care if the story is good. i'm not buying an unfinished product. thats like watching a movie with awkward cuts, or buying a book with a torn page.

Heavenly Sword is a 3-year-old game and it runs and looks better than this.

at least, there's still Castlevania.

Final_attack321

pretty much if you say this game looks equal or better than ucharted 2, you didn't even play uncharted 2.

How many more games on 360 will people claim to look better than KZ2, UC2, and GOW3 and fail? People should really start to keep count for when people say those claims were never made.

i know..lems are like, "this looks better than UC2, Killzone 2, God of War 3...!! YEAAAAHHH!"

then game comes out, looks good at but not better than those PS3 exclusives.

so lems go, "bu...bu...but i'd rather take gameplay than graphics! Gameplay forevaaahh!!"

like PS3 exclusives don't have gameplay. :roll:

then tell me, why can't 360 exclusives do bothgameplay and graphics? :lol:

[QUOTE="Final_attack321"]

[QUOTE="rawr89"]

also this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5T2zD6Zy0o

the amount of screen-tearing and framerate drops is just painful. are they really going to ship a game like this? i don't care if the story is good. i'm not buying an unfinished product. thats like watching a movie with awkward cuts, or buying a book with a torn page.

Heavenly Sword is a 3-year-old game and it runs and looks better than this.

at least, there's still Castlevania.

pretty much if you say this game looks equal or better than ucharted 2, you didn't even play uncharted 2.

How many more games on 360 will people claim to look better than KZ2, UC2, and GOW3 and fail? People should really start to keep count for when people say those claims were never made.

i know..lems are like, "this looks better than UC2, Killzone 2, God of War 3...!! YEAAAAHHH!"

then game comes out, looks good at but not better than those PS3 exclusives.

so lems go, "bu...bu...but i'd rather take gameplay than graphics! Gameplay forevaaahh!!"

like PS3 exclusives don't have gameplay. :roll:

then tell me, why can't 360 exclusives do bothgameplay and graphics? :lol:

[QUOTE="rawr89"]

[QUOTE="Final_attack321"]

pretty much if you say this game looks equal or better than ucharted 2, you didn't even play uncharted 2.

How many more games on 360 will people claim to look better than KZ2, UC2, and GOW3 and fail? People should really start to keep count for when people say those claims were never made.

savagetwinkie

i know..lems are like, "this looks better than UC2, Killzone 2, God of War 3...!! YEAAAAHHH!"

then game comes out, looks good at but not better than those PS3 exclusives.

so lems go, "bu...bu...but i'd rather take gameplay than graphics! Gameplay forevaaahh!!"

like PS3 exclusives don't have gameplay. :roll:

then tell me, why can't 360 exclusives do bothgameplay and graphics? :lol:

So you own a PS3 and uncharted 2? I own a xbox360 and Gears AND I can prove it, what about you?

I guess the "fanboys" you talk about includes all the gaming press and media that said it was the best looking games on consoles (until GOW3 released that is)? lol,yourconspirisy theories on "fanboys" overhyping UC2 graphics only points to the fact that you're trying to downplay it because xbox360 doesn't have anything to top it.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="rawr89"]

i know..lems are like, "this looks better than UC2, Killzone 2, God of War 3...!! YEAAAAHHH!"

then game comes out, looks good at but not better than those PS3 exclusives.

so lems go, "bu...bu...but i'd rather take gameplay than graphics! Gameplay forevaaahh!!"

like PS3 exclusives don't have gameplay. :roll:

then tell me, why can't 360 exclusives do bothgameplay and graphics? :lol:

So you own a PS3 and uncharted 2? I own a xbox360 and Gears AND I can prove it, what about you?

I guess the "fanboys" you talk about includes all the gaming press and media that said it was the best looking games on consoles (until GOW3 released that is)? lol,yourconspirisy theories on "fanboys" overhyping UC2 graphics only points to the fact that you're trying to downplay it because xbox360 doesn't have anything to top it.

You guys realize this game is using the Unreal Engine...right?

You guys realize this game is using the Unreal Engine...right?

kingman03

[QUOTE="ironcreed"]

I don't think it is quite on par with the likes of Uncharted 2, but it certainly is one of the more impressive looking multiplats out there. Regardless, I played the demo on the 360 and that is the version that I am getting. My PS3 is going to get a nice workout from Lords of Shadow.

Final_attack321

I agree with this tho.

People really need to stop trying to grasp on anything new that comesout on xbox360 as the new gfx king just becuse it looks good. it really exposes the fact that you actually haven't played the best looking games on PS3

i have played some of the best looking games on the ps3 and they in no way, shape or form "blow away" anything that has already been done on the 360.

Wait, so when did people compaire Enslaved to Uncharted 2 and say it was equal or better? was it in this thread just now thay you just made? Some people really need to get over it. PS3 is more powerful than 360

also enslaved does not look better than uncharted 2. I have a PS3 and a 360. Do you have a PS3 Thread starter??

Final_attack321

[QUOTE="Renzokucant"]lol I laughed when you said it looks as good as uncharted.. It sooo does notLegatoSkyheart

hahaha as good as UC2? Only in lemming's dreams.mystervj

Now people are just in denail here.

Enslaved doesn't look that good. If that's a great looking game to a 360 player, that is kinda sad. It looks worse than GeoW 1 to me. Maybe not in every way, but in enough ways to call it worse.

It's quite a bit farther from U2 as well, and the gameplay is lousy.

[QUOTE="rawr89"]

also this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5T2zD6Zy0o

the amount of screen-tearing and framerate drops is just painful. are they really going to ship a game like this? i don't care if the story is good. i'm not buying an unfinished product. thats like watching a movie with awkward cuts, or buying a book with a torn page.

Heavenly Sword is a 3-year-old game and it runs and looks better than this.

at least, there's still Castlevania.

Final_attack321

pretty much if you say this game looks equal or better than ucharted 2, you didn't even play uncharted 2.

How many more games on 360 will people claim to look better than KZ2, UC2, and GOW3 and fail? People should really start to keep count for when people say those claims were never made.

Enslaved doesn't look that good. If that's a great looking game to a 360 player, that is kinda sad. It looks worse than GeoW 1 to me. Maybe not in every way, but in enough ways to call it worse.

It's quite a bit farther from U2 as well, and the gameplay is lousy.

Pug-Nasty

[QUOTE="Final_attack321"]

[QUOTE="rawr89"]

also this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5T2zD6Zy0o

the amount of screen-tearing and framerate drops is just painful. are they really going to ship a game like this? i don't care if the story is good. i'm not buying an unfinished product. thats like watching a movie with awkward cuts, or buying a book with a torn page.

Heavenly Sword is a 3-year-old game and it runs and looks better than this.

at least, there's still Castlevania.

bryn8150

pretty much if you say this game looks equal or better than ucharted 2, you didn't even play uncharted 2.

How many more games on 360 will people claim to look better than KZ2, UC2, and GOW3 and fail? People should really start to keep count for when people say those claims were never made.

Iv seen both "comparisons" and they pretty much run and play the excat same way. This is a overall problem with the game not a console specific one. They need to fix their framrate since to me thats really the only thing hurting this game.

i think this is just a Knee Jerk reaction to the fact that a former PS3 exclusive developer has clearly made a game as visually stunning as Uncharted 2

bryn8150

Ninja Theory created Kung Fu Chaos, an Xbox exclusive. Did you start gaming this generation or something?

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

lol. yeah bungie and epic are like Oh woe is us! we are swimming in money, and sales, and users, and scores...we are just so unfullfilled with the amazingness of Killzone 2 and uncharted...we wish we had their sales numbers, and user base size....wait....

nervmeister

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Enslaved doesn't look that good. If that's a great looking game to a 360 player, that is kinda sad. It looks worse than GeoW 1 to me. Maybe not in every way, but in enough ways to call it worse.

It's quite a bit farther from U2 as well, and the gameplay is lousy.

bryn8150

Um, I wasn't. I didn't like Heavenly Sword and I didn't like the beta for Enslaved. It's more of that suggestion based gameplay, where your button presses don't really seem to directly control anything. I dislike it immensely, but there's also the camera work. The camera doing whatever it wants to is nice for cinematic presentation, and very poor for gameplay.

It's obvious that the devs were highly influenced by NDs work with Uncharted, but failed in the execution of what they were trying to do.

The game's not out yet, so I will reserve final judgement, these are preliminary findings from playing the demo, which was incredibly unimpressive.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]which is how its always been. I cant figure out how people can be under the iliusion that the mainstream is the ""core"" games, the ""core"" audiance. the main stream is the casual, the multiplatform. Casuals outnumber ""cores"" 2000/1 The 1st party? the exclusive? these are the niche, the pushing of boundaries is based in the multiplatform, the 3rd party the rest of the industry is not looking to spend the money it takes to build another Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2. All advancement is based in the applicable which is built in the casual realm not the core.shinrabanshou

Pushing boundaries isn't restricted by any artificial delineation - both multiplatform and exclusive developers can/do push boundaries on the 6 platforms.

And developers like id and Crytek spend bucketloads of time and money making things pretty.

"GT5 and Halo 3 are niche?" both games would be casual...they appeal to the casual user base, I said Casual, Multiplatform either or Or both.

GT5 and Halo 3 appeal to the mass majority=the casuals neither push boundaries by any means in terms of graphics and sound maybe gameplay but not graphics or sound.
Crytek, Id push games and no 3rd party matches it or even tries what they do do is try to match other multiplatform of casual games. No company's except the biggest are going to be able to pump the money and time into games like uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 which is why you see no multiplatform games or casual games trying to match either game in technical abilities.

The Applicable pushing of boundries will be found in the casual games and multiplatform games not in the exclusives or the ""core"" games they may push technical limits but their pushing of boundaries are non-applicable to the majority of developers.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Enslaved doesn't look that good. If that's a great looking game to a 360 player, that is kinda sad. It looks worse than GeoW 1 to me. Maybe not in every way, but in enough ways to call it worse.

It's quite a bit farther from U2 as well, and the gameplay is lousy.

bryn8150

LOL, but it's 2010 my friend, those graphics aren't impressive anymore.

You are basically praising a level of grapihcs that PS3games had surpassed in in 2007, congrats!!??

TBH: I never really liked Heavenly Sword's graphics, too much bloom, and Enslaved doesn't look all that much better than Heavenly Sword.

Oh and regardless of you trying to Hype this game to the hevens because devs were formerly exclusive to Sony, Hevenly Sword was never awareded title of graphics king on consoles by any gaming media because Gears of war took that in 06.

MS does not have engines and 1st party technical power to push system further.Only devs who can do it are ID,Crytek and Epic(though they have UE3...)...360 greatest bottleneck is Microsoft itself.

Bus-A-Bus

I agree. M$ is not innovating like Sony is with graphics (or gameplay) with first party titles, and it's pissing me off. Now that Bungie is gone, they better get their act together.

[QUOTE="ThePsTriple"]Enslaved isnt even in the same league as Uncharted 2.Fightingfan

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

MS does not have engines and 1st party technical power to push system further.Only devs who can do it are ID,Crytek and Epic(though they have UE3...)...360 greatest bottleneck is Microsoft itself.

I agree. M$ is not innovating like Sony is with graphics (or gameplay) with first party titles, and it's pissing me off. Now that Bungie is gone, they better get their act together.

I almost had a seizure playing that demo, didnt like the graphics at all..... Uncharted looks great tho

Enslaved doesn't look that good. If that's a great looking game to a 360 player, that is kinda sad. It looks worse than GeoW 1 to me. Maybe not in every way, but in enough ways to call it worse.

It's quite a bit farther from U2 as well, and the gameplay is lousy.

Pug-Nasty

agreed.. the gameplay was lousy, would have been a good ps2 game tho, or even psp.

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

MS does not have engines and 1st party technical power to push system further.Only devs who can do it are ID,Crytek and Epic(though they have UE3...)...360 greatest bottleneck is Microsoft itself.

RawDeal_basic

I agree. M$ is not innovating like Sony is with graphics (or gameplay) with first party titles, and it's pissing me off. Now that Bungie is gone, they better get their act together.

Yea people dont get it...I mean,Sony has whole machinery of developers and tech groups working on pushing ps3.They hire great programmers(latest from Bizzare creations)to do coding and new techniques and it shows.

Bungie is one of the finest developers in the world but they are not tech Gods.I mean,their producer wrote on his blog that their water was tuned and implanted in the end because only 2 people knew how to make water look good.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Enslaved doesn't look that good. If that's a great looking game to a 360 player, that is kinda sad. It looks worse than GeoW 1 to me. Maybe not in every way, but in enough ways to call it worse.

It's quite a bit farther from U2 as well, and the gameplay is lousy.

gamespot4life

agreed.. the gameplay was lousy, would have been a good ps2 game tho, or even psp.

I thought the gameplay was fine to me. It was rather automatic similar to UC2. The setting and characters reminded me a little of Jak... Wait.. UC2... Jak... What's going on here... :?

[QUOTE="kingman03"]

You guys realize this game is using the Unreal Engine...right?

savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="kingman03"]

You guys realize this game is using the Unreal Engine...right?

kingman03