Enslaved Odysey to the West. does it EXPOSE 360 Devs as LAZY?

has someone told the TC that those games are one of the first games to use the updated unreal 3 engine?lawlessx

can we say that if it dosent get a 9.5 like uncharted 2 then its a flopmgsbethatgame

No, Enslaved may play like Uncharted 2, May even have the same type of Cinematic feel, but unless it's the actual Hype (which I don't really know what the actual Hype for Enslaved is.) I wouldn't consider it a flop if it doesn't get a 9.5.

Remember Dante's Inferno? That game looked and played like God of War. But does that make it God of War? no.

Look at the New Castlevania Game, That game looks like God of War. But does that make Castlevania Lords of Shadow, God of War? no.

Enslaved's In Game Cinematics, Action Packed Sequences, and Movements remind me of Uncharted. Does this make Enslaved, Uncharted? no.

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also this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5T2zD6Zy0o

the amount of screen-tearing and framerate drops is just painful. are they really going to ship a game like this? i don't care if the story is good. i'm not buying an unfinished product. thats like watching a movie with awkward cuts, or buying a book with a torn page.

Heavenly Sword is a 3-year-old game and it runs and looks better than this.

at least, there's still Castlevania.

bryn8150

pretty much if you say this game looks equal or better than ucharted 2, you didn't even play uncharted 2.

How many more games on 360 will people claim to look better than KZ2, UC2, and GOW3 and fail? People should really start to keep count for when people say those claims were never made.

so you're telling me, that the PS3 can pull off an Uncharted 2, a Poseidon boss battle on top of a moving titan at 40+ fps with MLAA, a Ratchet game at constant 60 frames per second, but can't pull off an Enslaved resulting in an avg fps below 30, and massive screen-tearing? LOL.

[QUOTE="bryn8150"][QUOTE="Final_attack321"]

pretty much if you say this game looks equal or better than ucharted 2, you didn't even play uncharted 2.

How many more games on 360 will people claim to look better than KZ2, UC2, and GOW3 and fail? People should really start to keep count for when people say those claims were never made.

rawr89

so you're telling me, that the PS3 can pull off an Uncharted 2, a Poseidon boss battle on top of a moving titan at 40+ fps with MLAA, a Ratchet game at constant 60 frames per second, but can't pull off an Enslaved resulting in an avg fps below 30, and massive screen-tearing? LOL.

[QUOTE="bryn8150"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Enslaved doesn't look that good. If that's a great looking game to a 360 player, that is kinda sad. It looks worse than GeoW 1 to me. Maybe not in every way, but in enough ways to call it worse.

It's quite a bit farther from U2 as well, and the gameplay is lousy.

Final_attack321

LOL, but it's 2010 my friend, those graphics aren't impressive anymore.

You are basically praising a level of grapihcs that PS3games had surpassed in in 2007, congrats!!??

TBH: I never really liked Heavenly Sword's graphics, too much bloom, and Enslaved doesn't look all that much better than Heavenly Sword.

Oh and regardless of you trying to Hype this game to the hevens because devs were formerly exclusive to Sony, Hevenly Sword was never awareded title of graphics king on consoles by any gaming media because Gears of war took that in 06.

1. Ninja Theory has never been a PS3 exclusive dev. Heck, their first game was for the Xbox.

2. Enslaved does not compare to UC2 visually. At least, not favorably :P

3. UE3, a "long thought dead game engine"??? It's been one of the most popular and frequently used engines throughout this gen. And development on it continues....

I'm sorry but this game is like uncharted how it has platforming that looks cinematic, kinda, but in terms of graphics it really can't be compared to Uncharted 2...maybe uncharted 1.

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I don't think it is quite on par with the likes of Uncharted 2, but it certainly is one of the more impressive looking multiplats out there. Regardless, I played the demo on the 360 and that is the version that I am getting. My PS3 is going to get a nice workout from Lords of Shadow.

Final_attack321

I agree with this tho.

People really need to stop trying to grasp on anything new that comesout on xbox360 as the new gfx king just becuse it looks good. it really exposes the fact that you actually haven't played the best looking games on PS3

Yep, gotta agree with you there. I think we already know that 360 multiplats looks better and PS3 exclusives look better. do we really need to beat a dead horse? IMO game play is what games are about and I gotta say uncharted 2 has enslaved stomped in that area too.

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Elslaved uses the Unreal engine... and it shows.

It's a great looking game but even Heavenly Sword looks better.

Sorry, No.

LegatoSkyheart

Oh you're talking Graphics here? I'm talking about Gameplay, Like How Enslaved would use the same techniques that I saw in Uncharted.

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[QUOTE="mystervj"]hahaha as good as UC2? Only in lemming's dreams.SolidSiems

Now people are just in denail here.

Elslaved uses the Unreal engine... and it shows.

It's a great looking game but even Heavenly Sword looks better.

Sorry, No.

???? really???? REALLY???? The day Enslaved came out for europe PSN I downloaded both and there really wasn't much of a comparison...but okay, if you say so. Yes I'm aware of the tears and such but that's because it was a PS3 demo I was playing.

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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]which is how its always been. I cant figure out how people can be under the iliusion that the mainstream is the ""core"" games, the ""core"" audiance. the main stream is the casual, the multiplatform. Casuals outnumber ""cores"" 2000/1 The 1st party? the exclusive? these are the niche, the pushing of boundaries is based in the multiplatform, the 3rd party the rest of the industry is not looking to spend the money it takes to build another Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2. All advancement is based in the applicable which is built in the casual realm not the core.WilliamRLBaker

Pushing boundaries isn't restricted by any artificial delineation - both multiplatform and exclusive developers can/do push boundaries on the 6 platforms.

And developers like id and Crytek spend bucketloads of time and money making things pretty.

"GT5 and Halo 3 are niche?" both games would be casual...they appeal to the casual user base, I said Casual, Multiplatform either or Or both.

GT5 and Halo 3 appeal to the mass majority=the casuals neither push boundaries by any means in terms of graphics and sound maybe gameplay but not graphics or sound.
Crytek, Id push games and no 3rd party matches it or even tries what they do do is try to match other multiplatform of casual games. No company's except the biggest are going to be able to pump the money and time into games like uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 which is why you see no multiplatform games or casual games trying to match either game in technical abilities.

The Applicable pushing of boundries will be found in the casual games and multiplatform games not in the exclusives or the ""core"" games they may push technical limits but their pushing of boundaries are non-applicable to the majority of developers.

You say that the casuals push no boundaries, and then later go onto say that the casuals do push applicable boundaries? And the meticulously modelled cars in GT5 are graphically impressive to the objective eye anyway.

Uncharted 2 took 18 months and had a development budget of $20 million. In this day and this age, this is neither a particularly large budget nor a particularly lengthy development time so why exactly do you keep using it as an example of such?

Define these applicable boundaries you speak of that the casual and/or multiplatform games are pushing, that exclusives do not?

The "applicable pushing of boundaries" isn't restricted by any artificial delineation, if ideas are put forward to improve games in terms of gameplay, sound or visuals and they can be borrowed then they will be implemented regardless of whether they come from an exclusive or multiplatform game.

[QUOTE="mystervj"]He said I'm in denial, so it's about what I think, Enslaved doesn't match UC2 in any area, I've seen both game running, it's pretty obvious to me which is the more impressive game.LegatoSkyheart

I've seen both Games, and Played Both Games, They Feel the Same, The Play the Same (not combat wise, that's different, One plays a bit like Brutal Legend while the Other is a Third Person Shooter.), They even have the same Cinematic Feel.

Enslaved is about as close as Uncharted as you're going to get for a Multiplat title.

I just downloaded the demo and I must say I'm surprised by how good the gfx are, and really, by how fun it is. Although, it's immediately apparent that the combat system will become a little repetitive. This is a Namco published game, right? They should have just hijacked Kilik for all his moves.:P

I remember at the beginning of the gen when most devs who were using UE3 were just copying Gears style. People would hate on UE3, because "all the games look the same!" Now look at what devs have been able to do with UE3 as far as variety and quality...Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect 2, Arkham Asylum, Borderlands, Enslaved, Bulletstorm, Gears 3, Bioshock Infinite, and so on.

Once last parting shot. If Enslaved was a PS3 exclusive, this would be one more game that, "looks better than anything on 360." Come on, don't deny it.:lol:

[QUOTE="ThePsTriple"]Enslaved isnt even in the same league as Uncharted 2.Fightingfan

I don't think so. I couldn't believe how... meh Enslaved looked. I'd say Heavenly Sword looked atleast AS GOOD as Enslaved. Uncharted 2 crushes this one, they aren't in the same league.

And no one's denying MGS4's character models. They're.... they're among the best this gen.

I really don't see how you can conclude that 360 devs are lazy.

There are ton of factors in graphics quality involved including experience, state of third party engines, game budget, focus of game, producer direction, and more.

Gears of War still looks better than a lot of new 360 games but I don't think that is because the devs working on those new games are being lazy. A lot of indy devs only use a minute fraction of the power in modern consoles and I wouldn't call them lazy either.

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[QUOTE="mystervj"]He said I'm in denial, so it's about what I think, Enslaved doesn't match UC2 in any area, I've seen both game running, it's pretty obvious to me which is the more impressive game.Syn_Valence

I've seen both Games, and Played Both Games, They Feel the Same, The Play the Same (not combat wise, that's different, One plays a bit like Brutal Legend while the Other is a Third Person Shooter.), They even have the same Cinematic Feel.

Enslaved is about as close as Uncharted as you're going to get for a Multiplat title.

So that makes you a cow?

Dude, I'm only basing my opinion on how they are played, and Enslaved plays like Uncharted for me.

Don't even call me a Lemming because I'm comparing this game to Uncharted, (btw I haven't even had my 360 for a year yet) I mean why are you mad?

Enslaved is a Multiplat, the PS3 is getting it too and Besides, I'm not saying that Enslaved is trashing all over Uncharted, I'm just saying that the Games are Similar!

[QUOTE="Syn_Valence"]anyone that compares this crap to U2 is a lemming.............U2 buries this game so bad it isn't even funny..........try harder lemsLegatoSkyheart

So that makes you a cow?

Dude, I'm only basing my opinion on how they are played, and Enslaved plays like Uncharted for me.

Don't even call me a Lemming because I'm comparing this game to Uncharted, (btw I haven't even had my 360 for a year yet) I mean why are you mad?

Enslaved is a Multiplat, the PS3 is getting it too and Besides, I'm not saying that Enslaved is trashing all over Uncharted, I'm just saying that the Games are Similar!

Maybe he just played U2 and the demo for Enslaved. There may be some similarities to U2 in how they try to present Enslaved, mixing cinematics with gameplay, but they do it so poorly it's not worth comparing.

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[QUOTE="bryn8150"] WOW.....i love it how back in 2007, every Sony fan was in love with Ninja Theory. where did all the love go....oh i get it...bryn8150

LOL, but it's 2010 my friend, those graphics aren't impressive anymore.

You are basically praising a level of grapihcs that PS3games had surpassed in in 2007, congrats!!??

TBH: I never really liked Heavenly Sword's graphics, too much bloom, and Enslaved doesn't look all that much better than Heavenly Sword.

Oh and regardless of you trying to Hype this game to the hevens because devs were formerly exclusive to Sony, Hevenly Sword was never awareded title of graphics king on consoles by any gaming media because Gears of war took that in 06.

:? So much fail in your post, I own a xbox360 and a PS3...and you don't own a PS3

The gaming press, websites, journlists and other unafiliated developers all hyped Uncharted 2's graphics to what it is now, and it's only the insecure fanboys who desperately try to find a way to make it somehow not true because the system thay love can't produce it. More directly I'm talking about those fanboys who haven't played the game and or don't own a PS3.

No one is hating on anything. PS3 fans can play this game as well as xbox360 fans, just wow, you just seem to be mad because it isn't on par with the best graphics on PS3. The fact that you use a game that is so far away from UC2's graphics really shows that you've never touched the game.

APPARENTLY NOT. So the question now after Enslaved becomes, what happens if and when Naughty Dog or the GOW developers ever get a 360 development kit?bryn8150

why would the 360 need Naughty Dog or Santa Monica when you got Epic games, Bungie, Lionhead, Rare, etc.? can't they do it themselves? :lol:

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[QUOTE="Syn_Valence"]anyone that compares this crap to U2 is a lemming.............U2 buries this game so bad it isn't even funny..........try harder lemsPug-Nasty

So that makes you a cow?

Dude, I'm only basing my opinion on how they are played, and Enslaved plays like Uncharted for me.

Don't even call me a Lemming because I'm comparing this game to Uncharted, (btw I haven't even had my 360 for a year yet) I mean why are you mad?

Enslaved is a Multiplat, the PS3 is getting it too and Besides, I'm not saying that Enslaved is trashing all over Uncharted, I'm just saying that the Games are Similar!

Maybe he just played U2 and the demo for Enslaved. There may be some similarities to U2 in how they try to present Enslaved, mixing cinematics with gameplay, but they do it so poorly it's not worth comparing.

Hell Mark of the Kri kills this game BLAH

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Maybe he just played U2 and the demo for Enslaved. There may be some similarities to U2 in how they try to present Enslaved, mixing cinematics with gameplay, but they do it so poorly it's not worth comparing.

Syn_Valence

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Uncharted 2 around 2:00

Enslaved around 2:30

You can't tell me that these do not look similar....

[QUOTE="Syn_Valence"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Maybe he just played U2 and the demo for Enslaved. There may be some similarities to U2 in how they try to present Enslaved, mixing cinematics with gameplay, but they do it so poorly it's not worth comparing.

LegatoSkyheart

:|

Uncharted 2 around 2:00

Enslaved around 2:30

You can't tell me that these do not look similar....

I actually thought that part of the Enslaved demo had the best execution out of the whole thing. Definitely a bit of Uncharted inspiration there, just not done very well.

[QUOTE="ThePsTriple"]Enslaved isnt even in the same league as Uncharted 2.Fightingfan

[QUOTE="bryn8150"]APPARENTLY NOT. So the question now after Enslaved becomes, what happens if and when Naughty Dog or the GOW developers ever get a 360 development kit?rawr89

why would the 360 need Naughty Dog or Santa Monica when you got Epic games, Bungie, Lionhead, Rare, etc.? can't they do it themselves? :lol:

No PS3 devs have must have a special cheat code that magically makes PS3 games look better than xbox360's. Tha conspiricy :o!!!

Funny that when in arguments lemmings will say xbox360 devs are better than PS3 devs butthen turn around and say in arguements like this that they need PS3 devs to show 360's true power because 360 devs don't cut it lol the irony.

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[QUOTE="bryn8150"]APPARENTLY NOT. So the question now after Enslaved becomes, what happens if and when Naughty Dog or the GOW developers ever get a 360 development kit?Final_attack321

why would the 360 need Naughty Dog or Santa Monica when you got Epic games, Bungie, Lionhead, Rare, etc.? can't they do it themselves? :lol:

No PS3 devs have must have a special cheat code that magically makes PS3 games look better than xbox360's. Tha conspiricy :o!!!

Funny that when in arguments lemmings will say xbox360 devs are better than PS3 devs butthen turn around and say in arguements like this that they need PS3 devs to show 360's true power because 360 devs don't cut it lol the irony.

How is Ninja Theory a PS3 dev? Their debut game was an Xbox exclusive. They've only had 1 PS3 exclusive game. And Heavenly Sword even started as an Xbox exclusive.

[QUOTE="ThePsTriple"]Enslaved isnt even in the same league as Uncharted 2.Fightingfan

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[QUOTE="Renzokucant"]

hahaha as good as UC2? Only in lemming's dreams.mystervj

Now people are just in denail here.

Elslaved uses the Unreal engine... and it shows.

It's a great looking game but even Heavenly Sword looks better.

Sorry, No.