Eurogamer review MGO

Do you think that a AAAAE game requires damage control? Nice try (not).mangas

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="clintos59"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

Yes, I read the review. It showed that it was reviewed by someone who didn't love all aspects of the Metal Gear Solid series. Is that so inconceivable?

I don't see how its so shocking that someone could like Halo more than Metal Gear Solid. It doesn't mean they're a biased fanboy. It means that they have an opinion. Just because it doesn't match up with your opinion doesn't mean that it's dishonest and filled with negative bias.

clintos59

U still dont get it do u? If u give some1 who loves MGS and doesnt like Halo, u are going to get the same exact review u see here with some1 who loves halo and hates mgs. Its not an opinion, its letting some1 that shouldnt be reviewing the game in the first place review the game. What is it u dont understand? Its just like letting some1 who love JRPG's review an FPS game. Of course in the end u prolly aint going to get the score u thought it should get no matter how good the fps game is because u got the wrong reviewer to review it. If u dont understand that then u must have a brain smaller then an ant's brain.

Of course I get it. Someone who doesn't like MGS as a series as much will give it a lower score than someone who does like MGS. Just like if Kevin VanOord doesn't like old-school JRPGs, Blue Dragon won't appeal to him as much as to someone who's crazy about the Dragon Quest franchise.

How does that make their review invalid, though? That's the part I'm not getting. It's the reviewer's honest opinion that MGS4 deserved an 8, based on his enjoyment of the game. You're going to deny him the ability to give his honest opinion (actually, according to you, he doesn't even have an honest opinion, because only Eurogamer Portugal is honest) just because he isn't as big a fan of the series as you are?

A reviewer shouldn't give a game the score you thought it should get. They should give the game the score they believe it deserves. If they do otherwise, that is the definition of dishonest.

So u are saying that it would be a good idea to let reviewers who dont like a certain genre of games review those for us gamers to let us know how good a game really is? I mean thats what it seems like u are saying. And if we were going to let reviewers who dont like that certain game review our games, I dont think any game will get AAA. Let me give u a good example. Giving some1 who doesnt like that certain series or genre to review that game is just as bad as giving God of War to Shane Kim to review a PS3 exclusive, or as bad as giving Kaz Harai (However u spell his name) Halo 3 to review the game with his honest opinion.

Why this will turn out bad? Well first off, both reviewers are reviewing each others exclusive games from there rival and plus they dont even like these 2 games period because its obviously an exclusive of there rivals and games they hate but still u wanted them to give there honest opinion of these 2 AAA franchises and what do u think the outcome score of both reviews will be? U can bet it will be low scores and alot of nitpicking going on just as eurogamer did with games such as gears of war and mgs4. U catch my drift? Anyways next topic im tired of this topic already because its obvious the reviewer was a fanboy.

I'm not saying that it should be a policy to have reviewers review games they don't like. Then all reviews would be more negative than they should be. But there's nothing wrong with a little diversity. Different perspectives can illuminate different aspects of a title, and give readers a more complete picture, if they're willing to go into the review with an open mind.

If someone who loved all the previous Halo games loves Halo 3, that says one thing. But if Kaz Hirai honestly enjoyed Halo 3 despite being unimpressed with previous Halo games, that'd mean something, wouldn't it? And if he didn't like it, wouldn't his perspective be more informative and relevant for someone who doesn't love Halo games than another reviewer's?

The Eurogamer reviewer isn't as big a fan of the MGS series as you would like. He gave the game a lower score than you would like. I'm not asking you to agree with his assessment of the game, or saying that it's the only valid way to view it. All I ask is that you accept the possibility that someone might honestly dislike the Metal Gear Solid series. You don't have to be a fanboy to not be smitten with Kojima's vision.

So u are saying that it would be a good idea to let reviewers who dont like a certain genre of games review those for us gamers to let us know how good a game really is? I mean thats what it seems like u are saying. And if we were going to let reviewers who dont like that certain game review our games, I dont think any game will get AAA. Let me give u a good example. Giving some1 who doesnt like that certain series or genre to review that game is just as bad as giving God of War to Shane Kim to review a PS3 exclusive, or as bad as giving Kaz Harai (However u spell his name) Halo 3 to review the game with his honest opinion. clintos59

Isn't Metal Gear Online on a sperate disk to MGS4? (ZoMg MuLtIpLe DiSkS). Along with the fact it was going to be sold seperately originally means they review it on its own merits.

AfterAscon

[QUOTE="AfterAscon"]

Isn't Metal Gear Online on a sperate disk to MGS4? (ZoMg MuLtIpLe DiSkS). Along with the fact it was going to be sold seperately originally means they review it on its own merits.

darthogre

wait a minute, so just because they thought it was supposed to be paid for separtately they thought they should review it separately? What kind of sense does that make? You get it for free......so if it was on a second disc (which it's not) you think it's ok to judge it as a second game lol?

I'll remember that when Forza 3 comes out on 2 discs.

Why do all of the MGS fans get all uptight when someone doesn't give the game a 10? All of my favorite games got at least one bad review.Doctor-Salvador

Many people seem to forget that Eurogamer reviewed Gears of War's multiplayer seperately also. This isn't a new thing for them.heretrix

[QUOTE="mangas"]Do you think that a AAAAE game requires damage control? Nice try (not).Shafftehr

Dude I can sit here all day and be talking alot of sh!t saying MGS4 is AAAA and u sheep and lemmings dont have an AAAAe, but im not no damn fanboy to stoop that low because I also own a 360 and wii. I love the MGS series and am glad for the high score here at gamespot, but does that mean I have to go make threads to make other gamers who own other systems feel bad? No because I also enjoy games from those consoles aswell. I am just here to defend one of my favorite series and I also pointed out good facts why I think eurogamer review was bullsh!t and its because who they decided to pick to review the game. This is the same game site who gave Gears of war an 8 so I think my point has some valuable facts since eurogamer gave gears of war an 8 and gears won GOTY that year. If u win GOTY, I dont care if people say well thats there opinion giving the game an 8, its obviously u dont know a great game when u see one and MGS4 and Gears of War says hello eurogamer, and MGS4 is a top canidate for GOTY and I hope it does get it to make u guys the lousyest reviewers on the planet, then u can take your fanboys who are loyal to your site along with u aswell.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="blitzcloud"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

if reviewers had reviewed MGO andd MGS4 together like they should have, MGS4 wouldn't be scoring 10s.

period.

blitzcloud

A figure skating team in the olympics goes out and skates.

They run a flawless routine...but they go for some crazy throw at the end and someone hits the deck. The throw was just extra, so should their overall score be hurt?

It's more like this.

An ice-skating dancing couple makes a perfect performance, they end it and the judges pop out their 10s. Now when they are going to rest, the girl falls on the ice ground.

Should the judges take out points for something that didn't hurt the experience they gave a 10 for?

On a side note, I love MGO. I liked it in subsistence, but I totally love MGO.

Very well said. That analogy does indeed fit a lot better.

However, Eurogamer is an excellent publication, and my personal favorite gaming website on the net because their writing is of such high quality. They write excellent previews and reviews, and I thought their reviews of MGS4 and MGO, while perhaps a bit too harsh even by their standards, are ultimately fair. I'm referring to the content of the reviews, rather than some arbitrary score.

I do disagree with Eurogamer reviewing MGS4 and MGO seperately, though. Seems pointless when the likes of CoD4, Halo3, GTA4 and even The Orange Box were reviewed as one game despite either featuring two distinct SP and MP modes, or in the case of the OB, several games in one.

Really, if GTA4 was reviewed as one game, MGS4 should've been. It's the exact same situation. GTA4 has a multiplayer mode that's significantly weaker than the single-player, and is also different and seperated enough from the SP to stand alone, but in its case the MP actually helped the scores because it was mostly seen as a juicy, unecessary extra.

IGN had a much better idea about how to go with the whole thing, which was to wait until MGS4 was released so they could play online with regular people, and then write the entire MGS4 review discussing MGO as well. I guess Eurogamer really wanted that exclusive review.

But if you guys wanna read a truly terrible MGS4 review with no redeeming quality whatsoever, read Boomtown's. Who's Boomtown? Exactly.

They also gave MGS4 an 8, just like Eurogamer, but I guarantee you'll feel a lot better about Eurogamer's review after you read Boomtown's painful interpretation of the game (especially the gameplay).

[QUOTE="clintos59"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="clintos59"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

Yes, I read the review. It showed that it was reviewed by someone who didn't love all aspects of the Metal Gear Solid series. Is that so inconceivable?

I don't see how its so shocking that someone could like Halo more than Metal Gear Solid. It doesn't mean they're a biased fanboy. It means that they have an opinion. Just because it doesn't match up with your opinion doesn't mean that it's dishonest and filled with negative bias.

sonicmj1

U still dont get it do u? If u give some1 who loves MGS and doesnt like Halo, u are going to get the same exact review u see here with some1 who loves halo and hates mgs. Its not an opinion, its letting some1 that shouldnt be reviewing the game in the first place review the game. What is it u dont understand? Its just like letting some1 who love JRPG's review an FPS game. Of course in the end u prolly aint going to get the score u thought it should get no matter how good the fps game is because u got the wrong reviewer to review it. If u dont understand that then u must have a brain smaller then an ant's brain.

Of course I get it. Someone who doesn't like MGS as a series as much will give it a lower score than someone who does like MGS. Just like if Kevin VanOord doesn't like old-school JRPGs, Blue Dragon won't appeal to him as much as to someone who's crazy about the Dragon Quest franchise.

How does that make their review invalid, though? That's the part I'm not getting. It's the reviewer's honest opinion that MGS4 deserved an 8, based on his enjoyment of the game. You're going to deny him the ability to give his honest opinion (actually, according to you, he doesn't even have an honest opinion, because only Eurogamer Portugal is honest) just because he isn't as big a fan of the series as you are?

A reviewer shouldn't give a game the score you thought it should get. They should give the game the score they believe it deserves. If they do otherwise, that is the definition of dishonest.

So u are saying that it would be a good idea to let reviewers who dont like a certain genre of games review those for us gamers to let us know how good a game really is? I mean thats what it seems like u are saying. And if we were going to let reviewers who dont like that certain game review our games, I dont think any game will get AAA. Let me give u a good example. Giving some1 who doesnt like that certain series or genre to review that game is just as bad as giving God of War to Shane Kim to review a PS3 exclusive, or as bad as giving Kaz Harai (However u spell his name) Halo 3 to review the game with his honest opinion.

Why this will turn out bad? Well first off, both reviewers are reviewing each others exclusive games from there rival and plus they dont even like these 2 games period because its obviously an exclusive of there rivals and games they hate but still u wanted them to give there honest opinion of these 2 AAA franchises and what do u think the outcome score of both reviews will be? U can bet it will be low scores and alot of nitpicking going on just as eurogamer did with games such as gears of war and mgs4. U catch my drift? Anyways next topic im tired of this topic already because its obvious the reviewer was a fanboy.

I'm not saying that it should be a policy to have reviewers review games they don't like. Then all reviews would be more negative than they should be. But there's nothing wrong with a little diversity. Different perspectives can illuminate different aspects of a title, and give readers a more complete picture, if they're willing to go into the review with an open mind.

If someone who loved all the previous Halo games loves Halo 3, that says one thing. But if Kaz Hirai honestly enjoyed Halo 3 despite being unimpressed with previous Halo games, that'd mean something, wouldn't it? And if he didn't like it, wouldn't his perspective be more informative and relevant for someone who doesn't love Halo games than another reviewer's?

The Eurogamer reviewer isn't as big a fan of the MGS series as you would like. He gave the game a lower score than you would like. I'm not asking you to agree with his assessment of the game, or saying that it's the only valid way to view it. All I ask is that you accept the possibility that someone might honestly dislike the Metal Gear Solid series. You don't have to be a fanboy to not be smitten with Kojima's vision.

Oh ill accept it, if the reviewer points out some valid flaws in the game to dock 2 points. He docked points for long cutscenes which is one of the best things about mgs series because it tells an amazing story and the cut scenes are awesome. Now I wouldnt mind if the cut scenes were rubbish and didnt fit in with the story but that isnt even the fact he docked points for it, he docked it just because he said they were too long? Also like I said in my earlyer post, he ended his review with this line.

Eurogamer Quote: "We love u snake, but dont come back." I mean wtf u think fans of the game are going to say to a comment like that? U really gonna sit back and let some fanboy reviewer talk down on your favorite gaming hero? That is like if he left his last line of your favorite game hero and said, "We love u (your favorite gaming hero) but dont comeback. I bet u will be mad aswell and not only because he said that but just for the fact he obviously didnt like the series at all. Which is why u see me in this thread right now giving my 2 cents of what I thought of there review.

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="mangas"]Do you think that a AAAAE game requires damage control? Nice try (not).clintos59

Dude I can sit here all day and be talking alot of sh!t saying MGS4 is AAAA and u sheep and lemmings dont have an AAAAe, but im not no damn fanboy to stoop that low because I also own a 360 and wii. I love the MGS series and am glad for the high score here at gamespot, but does that mean I have to go make threads to make other gamers who own other systems feel bad? No because I also enjoy games from those consoles aswell. I am just here to defend one of my favorite series and I also pointed out good facts why I think eurogamer review was bullsh!t and its because who they decided to pick to review the game. This is the same game site who gave Gears of war an 8 so I think my point has some valuable facts since eurogamer gave gears of war an 8 and gears won GOTY that year. If u win GOTY, I dont care if people say well thats there opinion giving the game an 8, its obviously u dont know a great game when u see one and MGS4 and Gears of War says hello eurogamer, and MGS4 is a top canidate for GOTY and I hope it does get it to make u guys the lousyest reviewers on the planet, then u can take your fanboys who are loyal to your site along with u aswell.

What are you defending the series from? People who don't like it?

Eurogamer has historically given the MGS series low scores. That is likely because the staff as a whole doesn't like the series all that much. That isn't that hard to believe. The Metal Gear Solid games are very unique experiences, and they don't jibe with some people. Penny Arcade, for instance, isn't crazy about MGS4. Are they biased fanboys who don't know a good game when they see one? 1UP reviewer Jeremy Parish gave the game an A-. Is his opinion BS? Gametrailers gave the game a 9.3. Are they completely blind reviewers?

There are plenty of games that I have liked that other people don't like as much. There are plenty of games I'm not crazy about that other people love. I don't need to 'defend my game' from people who disagree with it, because there's nothing wrong with them disagreeing. They don't change how I feel about the game.

Why is Eurogamer not allowed to disagree with your opinion of the game? Why do they have to accept that MGS4 is one of the best games ever, and should get GOTY?

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

I'm not saying that it should be a policy to have reviewers review games they don't like. Then all reviews would be more negative than they should be. But there's nothing wrong with a little diversity. Different perspectives can illuminate different aspects of a title, and give readers a more complete picture, if they're willing to go into the review with an open mind.

If someone who loved all the previous Halo games loves Halo 3, that says one thing. But if Kaz Hirai honestly enjoyed Halo 3 despite being unimpressed with previous Halo games, that'd mean something, wouldn't it? And if he didn't like it, wouldn't his perspective be more informative and relevant for someone who doesn't love Halo games than another reviewer's?

The Eurogamer reviewer isn't as big a fan of the MGS series as you would like. He gave the game a lower score than you would like. I'm not asking you to agree with his assessment of the game, or saying that it's the only valid way to view it. All I ask is that you accept the possibility that someone might honestly dislike the Metal Gear Solid series. You don't have to be a fanboy to not be smitten with Kojima's vision.

clintos59

Oh ill accept it, if the reviewer points out some valid flaws in the game to dock 2 points. He docked points for long cutscenes which is one of the best things about mgs series because it tells an amazing story and the cut scenes are awesome. Now I wouldnt mind if the cut scenes were rubbish and didnt fit in with the story but that isnt even the fact he docked points for it, he docked it just because he said they were too long? Also like I said in my earlyer post, he ended his review with this line.

Eurogamer Quote: "We love u snake, but dont come back." I mean wtf u think fans of the game are going to say to a comment like that? U really gonna sit back and let some fanboy reviewer talk down on your favorite gaming hero? That is like if he left his last line of your favorite game hero and said, "We love u (your favorite gaming hero) but dont comeback. I bet u will be mad aswell and not only because he said that but just for the fact he obviously didnt like the series at all. Which is why u see me in this thread right now giving my 2 cents of what I thought of there review.

So long cutscenes cannot be a valid flaw, because you think they're awesome, and nobody who believes otherwise can possibly honestly disagree. Okay...

If someone said, "We love you, Gordon Freeman. Don't come back," I wouldn't mind, because they can think whatever they want to think about the Half-Life series. I absolutely adore those games, but that doesn't mean I can't recognize that there are minor problems with it, and the basic formula it uses. I wouldn't want Gordon Freeman to talk, but I can recognize that some people might feel like their character is estranged from the story. I love the expertly-paced roller-coaster ride that Valve has created, but I can see that some people may find the linear gameplay stifling when compared to games like Crysis, or even Halo.

If someone doesn't like my favorite hero, that's not a personal attack on me or my views. They're just expressing how they feel. How can I hold that against them, especially when they're being paid to give their honest opinion?

[QUOTE="clintos59"]

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="mangas"]Do you think that a AAAAE game requires damage control? Nice try (not).sonicmj1

Dude I can sit here all day and be talking alot of sh!t saying MGS4 is AAAA and u sheep and lemmings dont have an AAAAe, but im not no damn fanboy to stoop that low because I also own a 360 and wii. I love the MGS series and am glad for the high score here at gamespot, but does that mean I have to go make threads to make other gamers who own other systems feel bad? No because I also enjoy games from those consoles aswell. I am just here to defend one of my favorite series and I also pointed out good facts why I think eurogamer review was bullsh!t and its because who they decided to pick to review the game. This is the same game site who gave Gears of war an 8 so I think my point has some valuable facts since eurogamer gave gears of war an 8 and gears won GOTY that year. If u win GOTY, I dont care if people say well thats there opinion giving the game an 8, its obviously u dont know a great game when u see one and MGS4 and Gears of War says hello eurogamer, and MGS4 is a top canidate for GOTY and I hope it does get it to make u guys the lousyest reviewers on the planet, then u can take your fanboys who are loyal to your site along with u aswell.

What are you defending the series from? People who don't like it?

Eurogamer has historically given the MGS series low scores. That is likely because the staff as a whole doesn't like the series all that much. That isn't that hard to believe. The Metal Gear Solid games are very unique experiences, and they don't jibe with some people. Penny Arcade, for instance, isn't crazy about MGS4. Are they biased fanboys who don't know a good game when they see one? 1UP reviewer Jeremy Parish gave the game an A-. Is his opinion BS? Gametrailers gave the game a 9.3. Are they completely blind reviewers?

There are plenty of games that I have liked that other people don't like as much. There are plenty of games I'm not crazy about that other people love. I don't need to 'defend my game' from people who disagree with it, because there's nothing wrong with them disagreeing. They don't change how I feel about the game.

Why is Eurogamer not allowed to disagree with your opinion of the game? Why do they have to accept that MGS4 is one of the best games ever, and should get GOTY?

Why defend them so much? Why cant I bring out my opinion for a game I love? Why cant they give MGS4 a fair reviewer to review the game? Why should we take eurogamer serious when 60 reviewers out of 68 gave mgs4 an AAA or AAAA? See I can also add questions like u can. Here is my answer for why us mgs fans dont give a crap about eurogamer and a few who gave it an 8 review just for the fact that many others gave the game a 9 and up.

Gamespot (US) Review: 10/10

IGN (US) Review: 10/10

Gameplayer Review: 10/10

Gamespot (UK) Review: 10/10

AceGamez Review: 10/10

X-Play Review: 5/5

ME Gamers Review: 10/10

Play Magazine Review: 10/10

JV.org Review: 5/5

Empire Review: 5/5

Famitsu Review: 40/40

Console Monster Review: 100/100

BG Review: 5/5

Dubious Review: 100/100

Loot Ninja Review: 10/10

Eurogamer (Portugal) Review: 10/10

411 Review: 10/10

PSU Review: 10/10

PSX Extreme Review: 10/10

Pocket-Lint Review: 10/10

PST Review: 100/100

PlayStation Beyond Review: 10/10

PTOM (USA) Review: 10/10

Meristation Review: 10/10

GamePro Review: 5/5

PlayStationLife****net Review: 10/10

PSM Italy Review: 10/10

UK Official Playstation Magazine Review: 10/10

Game Informer Review: 10/10

Fox News Gamers Weekly Review: 10/10

Player TV UK Review: 10/10

Kombo Review: 10/10

Rise of Games Review: 100/100

IGN: UK Review: 9.9/10

Gamesmaster Review: 97/100

Chief (Belgium) Review: 9.7/10

Che@t Code Central Review: 4.8/5

Dutch OPM Review: 96/100

Hobby Consolas Review: 9.6/10

TT Gamer Review: 9.5/10

Playfrance Review: 9.5/10

CVG Review: 9.5/10

Maxi Consolas (Portugal) Review: 9.5/10

IGN [Australia] Review: 9.5/10

GamersReports Review: 9.5/10

Destructoid Review: 9.5/10

Gamers Universe Review: 9.4/10

PSM3(Portuguese) Review: 94/100

Gametrailers Review: 9.3/10

Casualgamer Review: 9.2/10

Swedish Gamereactor Review: 9/10

Gamereactor Review: 9/10

Gamesradar Review: 9/10

HardGame2 Review: 9/10

EliteGamer (Spain) Review: 9/10

VideoGamer Review: 9/10

1up Review: 9/10

GameSpy Review: 4.5/5

UGO Review: 9/10

GWN Review: 9/10

NZgamer Review: 8.5/10

JeuxVideo.FR Review: 8.5/10

Eurogamer: 8/10

Edge: 8/10

TVG Review: 8/10

GamesTM: 8/10

GameDaily Review: 8/10

Boomtown Review: 8/10

Out of 68 reviews 8 of these idiotic game sites gave MGS4 a score under a 9. Those 8 game sites sure look stupid now looking at all these reviews which 60 other game sites awarded it a 9 and above. Which review should we believe the 8 game sites who seem to be reviewing a different game than MGS4 and lowering the score, or the other 60 who seem to agree that MGS4 is a well AAA and AAAA title indeed?

Which review should we believe the 8 game sites who seem to be reviewing a different game than MGS4 and lowering the score, or the other 60 who seem to agree that MGS4 is a well AAA and AAAA title indeed?

clintos59

I don't find it hard to believe that 8 guys out of 68 liked the game slightly less than the rest.

Also, whoever says that Eurogamer reviewed The Orange Box only as a whole must be slapped. They also have three individual reviews for each of the new game there.

I didn't see lemmings jumping all around when Gears' multiplayer was reviewed separately.

That's the way Eurogamer works since the beggining, with harsh scores, separate reviews etc; if you don't like it, that's it. Just don't act childish. Still, it's good that not all cows say Eurogamer was paid to rate it so low:)

Out of 68 reviews 8 of these idiotic game sites gave MGS4 a score under a 9. Those 8 game sites sure look stupid now looking at all these reviews which 60 other game sites awarded it a 9 and above. clintos59

Also, whoever says that Eurogamer reviewed The Orange Box only as a whole must be slapped. They also have three individual reviews for each of the new game there.Baranga

I didn't say they reviewed it "only" as a whole, but they did indeed review it as a whole. Work on your reading comprehension. Your point fails even regardless of that since they haven't reviewed MGS4 as a whole as they did The Orange Box.

Why defend them so much? Why cant I bring out my opinion for a game I love? Why cant they give MGS4 a fair reviewer to review the game? Why should we take eurogamer serious when 60 reviewers out of 68 gave mgs4 an AAA or AAAA? See I can also add questions like u can. Here is my answer for why us mgs fans dont give a crap about eurogamer and a few who gave it an 8 review just for the fact that many others gave the game a 9 and up.

*snip*

Out of 68 reviews 8 of these idiotic game sites gave MGS4 a score under a 9. Those 8 game sites sure look stupid now looking at all these reviews which 60 other game sites awarded it a 9 and above. Which review should we believe the 8 game sites who seem to be reviewing a different game than MGS4 and lowering the score, or the other 60 who seem to agree that MGS4 is a well AAA and AAAA title indeed?

clintos59

You can have an opinion about the game you love. But so can they, and it doesn't have to be the same as yours, nor does it have to be the same as everyone else's. People feel different ways about different games. You can't enforce a homogeneous viewpoint on all outlets. You don't have to agree with the score that Eurogamer gave, but that doesn't mean that they're wrong or biased or stupid.

Those 8 sites gave their scores knowing full well what scores MGS4 was getting from other sites. I doubt the Eurogamer reviewer sat down with the game and said, "I'm going to give the game the score that everyone else is going to give it," when he awarded that 8. He gave the game the score he felt it deserved, just as all the reviewers did (I hope). His reasoning is in his review. He gave that score because it was his honest view about the game.

Eurogamer is not the only valid score out there. There are plenty of sites with different views that you can look at as well. But those outliers aren't outliers because they are biased or wrong. They are outliers because people have different views about games.

Grand Theft Auto 4 has been one of the best-reviewed games ever. So is Super Mario Galaxy. Does that mean that anyone who dislikes those games is a biased hater? People are allowed to have different opinions from the majority of reviews. Just as Eurogamer respects your right to love Metal Gear Solid, so should you respect their right to merely like it.

[QUOTE="Baranga"]Also, whoever says that Eurogamer reviewed The Orange Box only as a whole must be slapped. They also have three individual reviews for each of the new game there.Zeliard9

I didn't say they reviewed it "only" as a whole, but they did indeed review it as a whole. Work on your reading comprehension. Your point fails even regardless of that since they haven't reviewed MGS4 as a whole as they did The Orange Box.

This argument has been brought up more times in this thread, yours is just the last I've noticed.

Anyway, at the end of the MGO review they say it's worth 15/20 or something like that. It's not a "whole" review, but still better than Gears'.

[QUOTE="mangas"]Do you think that a AAAAE game requires damage control? Nice try (not).Shafftehr

NO. MGS4 has 10/10 here and on IGN, which I bet are the main gamesites that both cows, lemmings and sheep visit on a daily basis. And it has also had good scores on gametrailers and 1up, which are also considered as credible sites. Now, Eurogamer? How many of you visit the site regularly? Not to mention gamesTM, Boomtown, Total videogames, lol. I bet these sites have never had so many visitors, since they gave MGS4 an 8.0.

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="clintos59"]

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="mangas"]Do you think that a AAAAE game requires damage control? Nice try (not).clintos59

Dude I can sit here all day and be talking alot of sh!t saying MGS4 is AAAA and u sheep and lemmings dont have an AAAAe, but im not no damn fanboy to stoop that low because I also own a 360 and wii. I love the MGS series and am glad for the high score here at gamespot, but does that mean I have to go make threads to make other gamers who own other systems feel bad? No because I also enjoy games from those consoles aswell. I am just here to defend one of my favorite series and I also pointed out good facts why I think eurogamer review was bullsh!t and its because who they decided to pick to review the game. This is the same game site who gave Gears of war an 8 so I think my point has some valuable facts since eurogamer gave gears of war an 8 and gears won GOTY that year. If u win GOTY, I dont care if people say well thats there opinion giving the game an 8, its obviously u dont know a great game when u see one and MGS4 and Gears of War says hello eurogamer, and MGS4 is a top canidate for GOTY and I hope it does get it to make u guys the lousyest reviewers on the planet, then u can take your fanboys who are loyal to your site along with u aswell.

What are you defending the series from? People who don't like it?

Eurogamer has historically given the MGS series low scores. That is likely because the staff as a whole doesn't like the series all that much. That isn't that hard to believe. The Metal Gear Solid games are very unique experiences, and they don't jibe with some people. Penny Arcade, for instance, isn't crazy about MGS4. Are they biased fanboys who don't know a good game when they see one? 1UP reviewer Jeremy Parish gave the game an A-. Is his opinion BS? Gametrailers gave the game a 9.3. Are they completely blind reviewers?

There are plenty of games that I have liked that other people don't like as much. There are plenty of games I'm not crazy about that other people love. I don't need to 'defend my game' from people who disagree with it, because there's nothing wrong with them disagreeing. They don't change how I feel about the game.

Why is Eurogamer not allowed to disagree with your opinion of the game? Why do they have to accept that MGS4 is one of the best games ever, and should get GOTY?

Why defend them so much? Why cant I bring out my opinion for a game I love? Why cant they give MGS4 a fair reviewer to review the game? Why should we take eurogamer serious when 60 reviewers out of 68 gave mgs4 an AAA or AAAA? See I can also add questions like u can. Here is my answer for why us mgs fans dont give a crap about eurogamer and a few who gave it an 8 review just for the fact that many others gave the game a 9 and up.

Out of 68 reviews 8 of these idiotic game sites gave MGS4 a score under a 9. Those 8 game sites sure look stupid now looking at all these reviews which 60 other game sites awarded it a 9 and above. Which review should we believe the 8 game sites who seem to be reviewing a different game than MGS4 and lowering the score, or the other 60 who seem to agree that MGS4 is a well AAA and AAAA title indeed?

and yet halo 3 still oustcored it

This kills me about review sites:

Review gives fanboy's game a 7 "ZOMG I HATE THIS SITE ITS IS TEH BIASED"

Review gives fanboy's game a 10 "Ha! Pwnage this game is awesome, X says so"

Insert Eurogamer, Gamespot, IGN, etc in whereve you want.

This kills me about review sites:

Review gives fanboy's game a 7 "ZOMG I HATE THIS SITE ITS IS TEH BIASED"

Review gives fanboy's game a 10 "Ha! Pwnage this game is awesome, X says so"

Insert Eurogamer, Gamespot, IGN, etc in whereve you want.

blue_hazy_basic

This kills me about review sites:

Review gives fanboy's game a 7 "ZOMG I HATE THIS SITE ITS IS TEH BIASED"

Review gives fanboy's game a 10 "Ha! Pwnage this game is awesome, X says so"

Insert Eurogamer, Gamespot, IGN, etc in whereve you want.

blue_hazy_basic

I'm sure if GS gave the game an 8, then all of the MGS fanboys would be saying that GS sucks and that their reviews are unfair.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

This kills me about review sites:

Review gives fanboy's game a 7 "ZOMG I HATE THIS SITE ITS IS TEH BIASED"

Review gives fanboy's game a 10 "Ha! Pwnage this game is awesome, X says so"

Insert Eurogamer, Gamespot, IGN, etc in whereve you want.

Doctor-Salvador

I'm sure if GS gave the game an 8, then all of the MGS fanboys would be saying that GS sucks and that their reviews are unfair.

I'm sure if GS gave the game an 8, then all of the MGS fanboys would be saying that GS sucks and that their reviews are unfair.

Doctor-Salvador

PlayStation Beyond Review: 10/10

PlayStationLife****net Review: 10/10

PSM Italy Review: 10/10

UK Official Playstation Magazine Review: 10/10

Edge: 8/10

GamesTM: 8/10

Out of 68 reviews 8 of these idiotic game sites gave MGS4 a score under a 9. Those 8 game sites sure look stupid now looking at all these reviews which 60 other game sites awarded it a 9 and above. Which review should we believe the 8 game sites who seem to be reviewing a different game than MGS4 and lowering the score, or the other 60 who seem to agree that MGS4 is a well AAA and AAAA title indeed?

clintos59

So you're saying by giving a score you don't agree with makes a source instantly useless and bias. Edge and GamesTM are infinitely more credible as accurate scores than any playstation mag/site that reviews the game, you should try reading reviews before judging them.

[QUOTE="clintos59"]

PlayStation Beyond Review: 10/10

PlayStationLife****net Review: 10/10

PSM Italy Review: 10/10

UK Official Playstation Magazine Review: 10/10

Edge: 8/10

GamesTM: 8/10

Out of 68 reviews 8 of these idiotic game sites gave MGS4 a score under a 9. Those 8 game sites sure look stupid now looking at all these reviews which 60 other game sites awarded it a 9 and above. Which review should we believe the 8 game sites who seem to be reviewing a different game than MGS4 and lowering the score, or the other 60 who seem to agree that MGS4 is a well AAA and AAAA title indeed?

AfterAscon

So you're saying by giving a score you don't agree with makes a source instantly useless and bias. Edge and GamesTM are infinitely more credible as accurate scores than any playstation mag/site that reviews the game, you should try reading reviews before judging them.

I do read them, and almost everyone who gave mgs4 an 8 were nitpicking at the score. All of u who dont see this are blind a$$e$. U really going to sit there and say eurogamer is a good source when they gave halo 3 a 10/10? lmao yeah right.

Eurogamer quote on halo 3 review: "And yet, hype machine aside, cutting through the crap about console wars and the like, what we find in Halo 3 is quite simply this - the best game yet in one of the best FPS franchises of the era. Better than either of its predecessors, Halo 3 still can't quite escape the category of flawed masterpiece - but this time around, the flaws are so minor that even the most churlish of reviewers would be hard pressed to mark the game down." Halo 3 Eurogamer Review: 10/10

ROFLMAO and u expect me to take them serious after that review? Masterpiece? Story was mediocre, single player sucked more then the original halo and the graphics werent even nothing special. Only thing I can honestly say is Halo 3 Mulitplayer is one of the best in the business when it comes to just having fun but thats about all Halo 3 was good at. And they called it a masterpiece, lmao GTFO with this BS, lmao. Im done here because we all know MGS4>>>>>Halo 3 so this conversation is over. If u trust eurogamers review fine thats good with me, but still doesnt stop me from saying gamespot yes the forums we are writing in gave MGS4 a perfect score, 10/10 and ill believe there score more then eurogamer. So eat that. Im out. :P