Eurogamer: Skyrim is shallow, boring. Dark Souls is captivating, intriguing

Eurogamer has taste? good to know. agreed with them, it does look like a one messed up game

finalstar2007

[QUOTE="Da_lil_PimP"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] Did you even play skyrim? And can you prove that you did?Animal-Mother

He hasn't played Skyrim either. "Because Skyrim is garbage? not sure only matters is im not playing the game." - finalstar2007

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Da_lil_PimP"] He hasn't even played Dark Souls.DireOwl

He hasn't played Skyrim either. "Because Skyrim is garbage? not sure only matters is im not playing the game." - finalstar2007

Since we're gonna discuss other review sites, why not just use em' all?

Skyrim averages 95%

DS is 88%, not even AAA.

Review sites aside, Skyrim is a far better game from my experience.

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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] AHAHAHAHAH you're kidding me right?princeofshapeir

He hasn't played Skyrim either. "Because Skyrim is garbage? not sure only matters is im not playing the game." - finalstar2007

Probably takes them a few attempts. :P

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He hasn't played Skyrim either. "Because Skyrim is garbage? not sure only matters is im not playing the game." - finalstar2007

DireOwl

Probably takes them a few attempts. :P

I think its the exact opposite lol.

Skyrim is deep, amazing and engorssing, while Dark Souls not so much.

[QUOTE="funsohng"]What a misleading title. The article is specifically about the narrative capabilities of the two games. In fact, in Eurogamer, Skyrim is 10 and Dark Souls is 9.archvile_78

I see what you mean now when you once said people ignore your posts, friend. :P

Anyway

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I like both games so I could care less what Eurogamer has to say.

Tom Mcshea will make it big there at EG..... we all love tom! don't we

hippiesanta

Tom's the man, but he only underates games he doesn't clash them together. That's not Tom man. Tom would have given each game an 8.0 ( actually he'll have a fit with skyrims bugs so he'll give skyrim a 2 )

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Austindro

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KC_Hokie

MW2 89 = Battlefield 3 (PC) 89 :o

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Peredith

MW2 89 = Battlefield 3 (PC) 89 :o

Played Skyrim for 20 hours, for 10 hours I was fighting Draugs and "solving puzzles" that involved spinning rocks with snake / bird / bears on them, and the other 10 hours I was wandering across the same landscape that was impossible to tell where I was because it all looked the same. Skyrim is one of the worst "critically acclaimed" RPGs this gen. Peredith

if thats their opinion then thats their opinon, i don't see why people get all butt hurt when someone doesn't agree with them

Yea, they do like hard games after all.

The article seems to imply Dark Souls has some wonderful story. I think the story leaves a lot to be desired and doesn't make sense. Everything else is great though. Skyrim should arrive at my place today hopefully. Oblivion was pretty good and Skyrim apparently improves on it, so I think I'll like it.

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Austindro

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xxxLUGZxxx

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realguitarhero5

LOL and yet they gave skyrim a 10 and Dark souls a 9,

LOL and yet they gave skyrim a 10 and Dark souls a 9,

musalala

[QUOTE="Peredith"]Played Skyrim for 20 hours, for 10 hours I was fighting Draugs and "solving puzzles" that involved spinning rocks with snake / bird / bears on them, and the other 10 hours I was wandering across the same landscape that was impossible to tell where I was because it all looked the same. Skyrim is one of the worst "critically acclaimed" RPGs this gen. princeofshapeir

Nope, only did the quest that triggers the Dragon fights because I thought they'd be cool... boy was I wrong. Never knew fighting dragons would be so tedious.

LOL and yet they gave skyrim a 10 and Dark souls a 9,

musalala

Maybe they were blinded by hype, played the game and realized it's pretty mediocre after a retrospective? :o

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LOL and yet they gave skyrim a 10 and Dark souls a 9,

lbjkurono23

Really really.. and the title of the thread is very misleading the link is talking about the narrative styles not the actually game, these dark souls fanboys :P

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LOL and yet they gave skyrim a 10 and Dark souls a 9,

Peredith

Maybe they were blinded by hype, played the game and realized it's pretty mediocre after a retrospective? :o

The actuall article is not about the game its about how the games tell their stories, the Title of thread is very misleading

I pretty much agree with everything the author says. I just don't find any of the lore and conversations in Skyrim to be very interesting. They're just random names and events thrown around that mean nothing to me.Master_ShakeXXX

I pretty much agree with everything the author says. I just don't find any of the lore and conversations in Skyrim to be very interesting. They're just random names and events thrown around that mean nothing to me.Master_ShakeXXX

I pretty much agree with everything the author says. I just don't find any of the lore and conversations in Skyrim to be very interesting. They're just random names and events thrown around that mean nothing to me.Master_ShakeXXX

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] [QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]I pretty much agree with everything the author says. I just don't find any of the lore and conversations in Skyrim to be very interesting. They're just random names and events thrown around that mean nothing to me.Master_ShakeXXX

I think the quality of the lore in Dark Souls is pretty good, it's almost psychological were the person gets enough information to assume things but those things are never confirmed while other people have different conclusions so once they clash it makes it seem like everyone has their own version of the story. So while they don't exactly give the whole thing is a smart idea this way people can't complain saying they didn't like the way that turned out rather they can imagine it themselves the best possible way for them. Things such as what happened to the witch of izarith... some think it's that creature in the bed of chaos others think she's not in the game, and also the great mystery of gwyns first born... some think it's Soliare while others think the pendant has the answer somehow.

Dark Souls was very lame. I really didn't see what was so great.

Heh, they gave Minecraft a perfect 10 which really raises questions because anyone that has played Minecraft would say that it is far from perfect.

Agreed. Skyrim is pretty lame. Bethesda use the "carrot on a stick" method to fool people into thinking they're playing a huge epic game with a huge world to explore, when in reality 80% of the game are fetch quests and locations that offer nothing of interest.

Peredith

skyrim is a bit more watchy than past TES games and id still probably rank dark souls above it, but i feel like the difference between skyrim and dark souls comes from completely separate gameplay origins. in skyrim, openness isnt just there for scale. its stems from bethesda's desire to make a welcoming game. it beckons you to explore and for anywhere you go there will always be more. dark souls' compact nature stems from the exact opposite intent. it wants the player to fight for every step and observe in that slower progression.

anyway, i do feel like there is more to skyrim's story than the lore written down in its books. there are lots of details that make the world feel lived in. much more than oblivion, im intrigued by the smaller stories in each dungeon. like theres an interesting culture clash in a crumbling dwemer ruin being repurposed as a bandit hideout. it wont be played out in a journal or anything like that, but you can see how traps are being used to cook dinner and small details like that.

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Austindro

In Dark Souls case, you can't rely on metacritic, because the game is controversial and doesn't want to appeal to everyone. It's a game you will either love or hate and although most people love it, one or two haters that didnt beat the first boss completely ruin the relevancy of MC score.

Skyrim has more mass market appeal and thats why it doesn't get any hate from reviewers, but its also less rewarding and thats why many reviewers think its actually not as good as Dark Souls.

Im now playing DS and absolutely love it, its way better than Demons Souls (although I still yet havent seen a location as terrifying and atmospheric as 3-1 Latria Tower in DeS). I had chance to experience Skyrim only for an hour or so and I loved it too, so its a tough call. I reserve my judgement till I finnish both.

Eurogamer:

"The problem is that Skyrim is a videogame, and when it's in narrative mode it stops being one. This passive delivery is the rock on which Skyrim's lore founders - flicking through virtual pages or skipping through conversations counts as interaction, just, but it's of a rather dull variety."

So basically he doesn't like Lore in a game.

One thing I love about Bethesda game is the lore, they always do such a good job to flesh out the world. Battles fought in the past, Information about other provinces even a certain race cooking habits. They have it all.

You don't HAVE to read those books, they act like it's obligatory.
It's just a great tool for Lore lovers such as myself to get more familiar with the world, it really makes the immersion that much better if you actually know what's going on.

Whatever, Skyrim was ruined for me by bein too easy and poor A.I. Dark Souls was a tedious grind from the get go. Both have problems, and Dark Souls story wascrap, people making out Vague = Good... yea right.PC360Wii

The point the article was making that vague story isn't the same as a bad story. The story won't seem to be present if you aren't looking for it. Skyrim slaps exposition in your face, and then again, it isn't always exciting enough to motivate you to listen through the yapping. Finding a book to read in Dark Souls would be miles better than finding a book in Skyrim.

Eurogamer gave Skyrim a higher mark so OBVIOUSLY they thought Skyrim was a better overall game. Who cares about the narrative?grassotall

Another load of garbage from Eurogamer, what else is new.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]Whatever, Skyrim was ruined for me by bein too easy and poor A.I. Dark Souls was a tedious grind from the get go. Both have problems, and Dark Souls story wascrap, people making out Vague = Good... yea right.jhcho2

The point the article was making that vague story isn't the same as a bad story. The story won't seem to be present if you aren't looking for it. Skyrim slaps exposition in your face, and then again, it isn't always exciting enough to motivate you to listen through the yapping. Finding a book to read in Dark Souls would be miles better than finding a book in Skyrim.

Yeah, vague story doesn't have to be bad. In fact, having a hard to follow narrative is often far more rewarding than a very easy to follow narrative - a good example would be British film and Hollywood film... or trashy sci-fi books or Lord of the Rings (I'd like to point out I like Hollywood, British film, trashy sci-fi AND Tolkien :P)