Even the GameCube got Soul Calibur II

The Wii is capable of good graphics though... As well as good controls...

The controls have nothing to do with it at all; it's the hardware. The Wii would not be capable of running Soul Calibur IV or Resident Evil 5.

And how the hell do good graphics mean good gameplay most of the time?

The controls have nothing to do with it at all; it's the hardware. The Wii would not be capable of running Soul Calibur IV or Resident Evil 5.

And how the hell do good graphics mean good gameplay most of the time?

norfair_dweller

Exactly, leading to poor third party support for the Wii. So really the Wii is worse than the GC.

Think of the best games of all time - Zelda: OOT, Resident Evil 4, Gears of War, SOTC, God of War, Metroid Prime, Super Mario Bros. 3, GTA III... all had 9-10 graphics.

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

The controls have nothing to do with it at all; it's the hardware. The Wii would not be capable of running Soul Calibur IV or Resident Evil 5.

And how the hell do good graphics mean good gameplay most of the time?

AHUGECAT

Exactly, leading to poor third party support for the Wii. So really the Wii is worse than the GC.

Think of the best games of all time - Zelda: OOT, Resident Evil 4, Gears of War, SOTC, God of War, Metroid Prime, Super Mario Bros. 3, GTA III... all had 9-10 graphics.

Wii games have gotten 9s in graphics. And have you somehow missed all the announcements for third party games?

Good graphics correlate with good gameplay 80% of the time.AHUGECAT

The reason the correlate is because developers who put time and money into 1 aspect of a game usually spend alot of time and money in all aspects of a game. A lack of graphical power on a console doe not hur the ability to create great gameplay experiences

Wii games have gotten 9s in graphics.

norfair_dweller

For Wii games. Let's face it - the Wii will NEVER have games like Gears of War, Half-Life 2, Resistance, Uncharted, etc. etc. due to lack of power and a good controller.

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

The controls have nothing to do with it at all; it's the hardware. The Wii would not be capable of running Soul Calibur IV or Resident Evil 5.

And how the hell do good graphics mean good gameplay most of the time?

AHUGECAT

Exactly, leading to poor third party support for the Wii. So really the Wii is worse than the GC.

Think of the best games of all time - Zelda: OOT, Resident Evil 4, Gears of War, SOTC, God of War, Metroid Prime, Super Mario Bros. 3, GTA III... all had 9-10 graphics.

There's a difference between "the best games of all time" and "a great game"

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

The controls have nothing to do with it at all; it's the hardware. The Wii would not be capable of running Soul Calibur IV or Resident Evil 5.

And how the hell do good graphics mean good gameplay most of the time?

AHUGECAT

Exactly, leading to poor third party support for the Wii. So really the Wii is worse than the GC.

Think of the best games of all time - Zelda: OOT, Resident Evil 4, Gears of War, SOTC, God of War, Metroid Prime, Super Mario Bros. 3, GTA III... all had 9-10 graphics.

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

The controls have nothing to do with it at all; it's the hardware. The Wii would not be capable of running Soul Calibur IV or Resident Evil 5.

And how the hell do good graphics mean good gameplay most of the time?

AHUGECAT

Exactly, leading to poor third party support for the Wii. So really the Wii is worse than the GC.

Think of the best games of all time - Zelda: OOT, Resident Evil 4, Gears of War, SOTC, God of War, Metroid Prime, Super Mario Bros. 3, GTA III... all had 9-10 graphics.

And have you somehow missed all the announcements for third party games?

norfair_dweller

Um like what? Crappy spin offs and minigames like EA Playground?

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

The controls have nothing to do with it at all; it's the hardware. The Wii would not be capable of running Soul Calibur IV or Resident Evil 5.

And how the hell do good graphics mean good gameplay most of the time?

AHUGECAT

Exactly, leading to poor third party support for the Wii. So really the Wii is worse than the GC.

Think of the best games of all time - Zelda: OOT, Resident Evil 4, Gears of War, SOTC, God of War, Metroid Prime, Super Mario Bros. 3, GTA III... all had 9-10 graphics.

Well, GS doesnt rate graphics anymore. And since the Wii is slightly more powerful than the xbox, the devs are still going to put in at least riddick or conker graphics for their high end wii games. Good games are not about graphics, controls, or hardware. They are about talent and effort, regardless of what console they are on.

For Wii games. Let's face it - the Wii will NEVER have games like Gears of War, Half-Life 2, Resistance, Uncharted, etc. etc. due to lack of power and a good controller.AHUGECAT

We know that. But that's only for power. The controller doesn't mean anything hardware-wise, and I have no idea why you're trying to say it does.

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

Wii games have gotten 9s in graphics.

AHUGECAT

For Wii games. Let's face it - the Wii will NEVER have games like Gears of War, Half-Life 2, Resistance, Uncharted, etc. etc. due to lack of power and a good controller.

it can play pretty much any genre

the reason the wii isn't getting those games is lack of power

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

And have you somehow missed all the announcements for third party games?

AHUGECAT

Um like what? Crappy spin offs and minigames like EA Playground?

Look it up yourself. I'm not going to post a list and have you pull the oldest trick in the book: ignoring it.

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"

Wii games have gotten 9s in graphics.

AHUGECAT

for Wii games. Let's face it - the Wii will NEVER have games like Gears of War, Half-Life 2, Resistance, Uncharted, etc. etc. due to lack of power and a good controller.

AHUGECAT

Despite the phenomenal Wii sales, the third party support is the worst Nintendo has ever received. Soul Calibur 4 was announced for the 360 and PS3, but NOT the Wii. Last time SC went multiplat, it found a home on the Nintendo console but not this generation. Another major example is Resident Evil 5. You won't see any of these games due to lack of power and lack of good controls. Good graphics correlate with good gameplay 80% of the time.AHUGECAT

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

The controls have nothing to do with it at all; it's the hardware. The Wii would not be capable of running Soul Calibur IV or Resident Evil 5.

And how the hell do good graphics mean good gameplay most of the time?

jg4xchamp

Exactly, leading to poor third party support for the Wii. So really the Wii is worse than the GC.

Think of the best games of all time - Zelda: OOT, Resident Evil 4, Gears of War, SOTC, God of War, Metroid Prime, Super Mario Bros. 3, GTA III... all had 9-10 graphics.

Zelda TP had amazing graphics for a GameCube game.

SOTC had incredible visuals - just imagine a next-gen SOTC with even better and more detailed colossi. Mario Galaxy, MP3, etc. etc. will be using most of the Wii power because even Nintendo knows good games need good graphics (most of the time) or the game sucks, it's just Nintendo puts profits before good gameplay.

KOTOR had trash graphics but look at Mass Effect. Sometimes there are exceptions. Katamari was fun but with trash graphics, while the Bouncer was trash with good graphics.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

Wii games have gotten 9s in graphics.

BuryMe

For Wii games. Let's face it - the Wii will NEVER have games like Gears of War, Half-Life 2, Resistance, Uncharted, etc. etc. due to lack of power and a good controller.

it can play pretty much any genre

Stop being so blind. How on earth will you play games like Ninja Gaiden on Wii? you would need a physically impossible control scheme or dumb as hell AI.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

Wii games have gotten 9s in graphics.

Riviera_Phantom

For Wii games. Let's face it - the Wii will NEVER have games like Gears of War, Half-Life 2, Resistance, Uncharted, etc. etc. due to lack of power and a good controller.

it can play pretty much any genre

Stop being so blind. How on earth will you play games like Ninja Gaiden on Wii? you would need a physically impossible control scheme or dumb as hell AI.

Or, dare I say it, skill?

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

Wii games have gotten 9s in graphics.

AHUGECAT

For Wii games. Let's face it - the Wii will NEVER have games like Gears of War, Half-Life 2, Resistance, Uncharted, etc. etc. due to lack of power and a good controller.

We know. We all knew that when we bought one. And it didn't stop us from having a blast with it then and still today.

I guess you'll just have to pout in the corner some more till you get over it. The rest of us don't really care.

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

The controls have nothing to do with it at all; it's the hardware. The Wii would not be capable of running Soul Calibur IV or Resident Evil 5.

And how the hell do good graphics mean good gameplay most of the time?

AHUGECAT

Exactly, leading to poor third party support for the Wii. So really the Wii is worse than the GC.

Think of the best games of all time - Zelda: OOT, Resident Evil 4, Gears of War, SOTC, God of War, Metroid Prime, Super Mario Bros. 3, GTA III... all had 9-10 graphics.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

Wii games have gotten 9s in graphics.

Riviera_Phantom

For Wii games. Let's face it - the Wii will NEVER have games like Gears of War, Half-Life 2, Resistance, Uncharted, etc. etc. due to lack of power and a good controller.

it can play pretty much any genre

Stop being so blind. How on earth will you play games like Ninja Gaiden on Wii? you would need a physically impossible control scheme or dumb as hell AI.

Seems to run even faster on the DS...and with no buttons.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

Wii games have gotten 9s in graphics.

BuryMe

For Wii games. Let's face it - the Wii will NEVER have games like Gears of War, Half-Life 2, Resistance, Uncharted, etc. etc. due to lack of power and a good controller.

it can play pretty much any genre

the reason the wii isn't getting those games is lack of power

The Wiimote can't play these gernes:

- Fighters
- Action adventure (ie Ninja Gaiden, DMC)
- Racers

and so much more

The Wii is capable of good graphics though(EDIT : !!!!!!WHAT!:!)... As well as good controls...

Ganon_919

WOAH!

Settle down there.

Fine, you want to say the Wii is capable of Good Graphics, then he should rephrase it to Phenominal Graphics just to make you happy.

Instead of Trolling, don't you see his point? No RE5, No SC4, No GTA, etc.? That has a lot to do with the Lack of Phenominal Graphics the Wii can produce. The Huge LACK.

- Action adventure (ie Ninja Gaiden, DMC)

AHUGECAT

The Wii can't play Zelda?

[QUOTE="BuryMe"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

Wii games have gotten 9s in graphics.

AHUGECAT

For Wii games. Let's face it - the Wii will NEVER have games like Gears of War, Half-Life 2, Resistance, Uncharted, etc. etc. due to lack of power and a good controller.

it can play pretty much any genre

the reason the wii isn't getting those games is lack of power

The Wiimote can't play these gernes:

- Fighters
- Action adventure (ie Ninja Gaiden, DMC)
- Racers

and so much more

Stop being so blind. How on earth will you play games like Ninja Gaiden on Wii? you would need a physically impossible control scheme or dumb as hell AI. Riviera_Phantom

[QUOTE="BuryMe"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

Wii games have gotten 9s in graphics.

AHUGECAT

For Wii games. Let's face it - the Wii will NEVER have games like Gears of War, Half-Life 2, Resistance, Uncharted, etc. etc. due to lack of power and a good controller.

it can play pretty much any genre

the reason the wii isn't getting those games is lack of power

The Wiimote can't play these gernes:

- Fighters
- Action adventure (ie Ninja Gaiden, DMC)
- Racers

and so much more

Why are you so convinced that graphics = gameplay?norfair_dweller

The biggest reason is GTA III.

GTA I and II were eh okay on the PS1, but it wasn't until the PS2's power than GTA became a household name. Without next-gen technology (back in 2000) GTA III would've never been realized. Basically, Nintendo wants to keep us at the GTA I days, and not go to the future.

Nintendo is stagnating innovation.

The Wiimote can't play these gernes:

- Fighters
- Action adventure (ie Ninja Gaiden, DMC)
- Racers

and so much more

AHUGECAT

Legend of Zelda and Excite Truck played fine...

[QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

The Wii is capable of good graphics though(EDIT : !!!!!!WHAT!:!)... As well as good controls...

SolidTy

WOAH!

Settle down there.

Fine, you want to say the Wii is capable of Good Graphics, then he should rephrase it to Phenominal Graphics just to make you happy.

Instead of Trolling, don't you see his point? No RE5, No SC4, No GTA, etc.? That has a lot to do with the Lack of Phenominal Graphics the Wii can produce. The Huge LACK.

Really it's due to developers backing the wrong horse. ...

[QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

The Wii is capable of good graphics though(EDIT : !!!!!!WHAT!:!)... As well as good controls...

SolidTy

WOAH!

Settle down there.

Fine, you want to say the Wii is capable of Good Graphics, then he should rephrase it to Phenominal Graphics just to make you happy.

Instead of Trolling, don't you see his point? No RE5, No SC4, No GTA, etc.? That has a lot to do with the Lack of Phenominal Graphics the Wii can produce. The Huge LACK.

Trolling?

Wow.. I'm speechless :|

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

The Wiimote can't play these gernes:

- Fighters
- Action adventure (ie Ninja Gaiden, DMC)
- Racers

and so much more

Ganon_919

Legend of Zelda and Excite Truck played fine...

RE4 is an action adventure... Seems like the Wii handles that fine...

[QUOTE="BuryMe"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

Wii games have gotten 9s in graphics.

AHUGECAT

For Wii games. Let's face it - the Wii will NEVER have games like Gears of War, Half-Life 2, Resistance, Uncharted, etc. etc. due to lack of power and a good controller.

it can play pretty much any genre

the reason the wii isn't getting those games is lack of power

The Wiimote can't play these gernes:

- Fighters
- Action adventure (ie Ninja Gaiden, DMC)
- Racers

and so much more

action adventures can be done. You just need to decide what buttons and actions will wo what.

same for racers.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

Wii games have gotten 9s in graphics.

AHUGECAT

For Wii games. Let's face it - the Wii will NEVER have games like Gears of War, Half-Life 2, Resistance, Uncharted, etc. etc. due to lack of power and a good controller.

it can play pretty much any genre

the reason the wii isn't getting those games is lack of power

The Wiimote can't play these gernes:

- Fighters
- Action adventure (ie Ninja Gaiden, DMC)
- Racers

and so much more

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]Why are you so convinced that graphics = gameplay?AHUGECAT

The biggest reason is GTA III.

GTA I and II were eh okay on the PS1, but it wasn't until the PS2's power than GTA became a household name. Without next-gen technology (back in 2000) GTA III would've never been realized. Basically, Nintendo wants to keep us at the GTA I days, and not go to the future.

Nintendo is stagnating innovation.

By your logic, a game can't be fun unless it evolves graphically?

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

The controls have nothing to do with it at all; it's the hardware. The Wii would not be capable of running Soul Calibur IV or Resident Evil 5.

And how the hell do good graphics mean good gameplay most of the time?

Grodus5

Exactly, leading to poor third party support for the Wii. So really the Wii is worse than the GC.

Think of the best games of all time - Zelda: OOT, Resident Evil 4, Gears of War, SOTC, God of War, Metroid Prime, Super Mario Bros. 3, GTA III... all had 9-10 graphics.

Those are YOUR Faves of All time? I own all of those and they're great, but FAVES OF ALL TIME? JEEZUS!

I recommend you start playing Higher Rated Games, and more different genre's, you're missing out. Some of those are just watered down to the classics like Chrono Trigger, Xenogears, Vagrant Story, Disgaea, FFTactics, Tactics:Ogre, Legend of Dragoon, Rogue Galaxy, Etc.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

Wii games have gotten 9s in graphics.

goblaa

For Wii games. Let's face it - the Wii will NEVER have games like Gears of War, Half-Life 2, Resistance, Uncharted, etc. etc. due to lack of power and a good controller.

We know. We all knew that when we bought one. And it didn't stop us from having a blast with it then and still today.

I guess you'll just have to pout in the corner some more till you get over it. The rest of us don't really care.

At least I still have an Xbox 360 (though I got nailed with the red rings, heheh).

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]Why are you so convinced that graphics = gameplay?norfair_dweller

The biggest reason is GTA III.

GTA I and II were eh okay on the PS1, but it wasn't until the PS2's power than GTA became a household name. Without next-gen technology (back in 2000) GTA III would've never been realized. Basically, Nintendo wants to keep us at the GTA I days, and not go to the future.

Nintendo is stagnating innovation.

By your logic, a game can't be fun unless it evolves graphically?

For many games yes. RE4 is another example. As is Zelda: OOT and The Wind Waker.

If a game has great graphic, 80% of the time it has great gameplay.

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]Why are you so convinced that graphics = gameplay?AHUGECAT

The biggest reason is GTA III.

GTA I and II were eh okay on the PS1, but it wasn't until the PS2's power than GTA became a household name. Without next-gen technology (back in 2000) GTA III would've never been realized. Basically, Nintendo wants to keep us at the GTA I days, and not go to the future.

Nintendo is stagnating innovation.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

The Wii is capable of good graphics though(EDIT : !!!!!!WHAT!:!)... As well as good controls...

GundamGuy0

WOAH!

Settle down there.

Fine, you want to say the Wii is capable of Good Graphics, then he should rephrase it to Phenominal Graphics just to make you happy.

Instead of Trolling, don't you see his point? No RE5, No SC4, No GTA, etc.? That has a lot to do with the Lack of Phenominal Graphics the Wii can produce. The Huge LACK.

Really it's due to developers backing the wrong horse. ...

Can you blame those teams? You toil away, modeling for years with a certain graphics level, and then a new system hits with the potential to be here another 5-6 years with the same graphics again?!

That's got be rough. As an artist, I know I would want to expand my game.

But as far as SALES go, you have a point....it's a tough, tough call.

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]Why are you so convinced that graphics = gameplay?AHUGECAT

The biggest reason is GTA III.

GTA I and II were eh okay on the PS1, but it wasn't until the PS2's power than GTA became a household name. Without next-gen technology (back in 2000) GTA III would've never been realized. Basically, Nintendo wants to keep us at the GTA I days, and not go to the future.

Nintendo is stagnating innovation.

By your logic, a game can't be fun unless it evolves graphically?

For many games yes. RE4 is another example. As is Zelda: OOT and The Wind Waker.

If a game has great graphic, 80% of the time it has great gameplay.

RE4 was better because of it's action adventure Gameplay... and btw it's the best on the Wii. So good... XD

Anyway it doesn't look better then REremake on the GC.... because it's 3d and the remake wasn't... but it's better... imagin that... looking good is only half the battle.

For many games yes. RE4 is another example. As is Zelda: OOT and The Wind Waker.

If a game has great graphic, 80% of the time it has great gameplay. AHUGECAT

[QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

Wii games have gotten 9s in graphics.

AHUGECAT

For Wii games. Let's face it - the Wii will NEVER have games like Gears of War, Half-Life 2, Resistance, Uncharted, etc. etc. due to lack of power and a good controller.

We know. We all knew that when we bought one. And it didn't stop us from having a blast with it then and still today.

I guess you'll just have to pout in the corner some more till you get over it. The rest of us don't really care.

At least I still have an Xbox 360 (though I got nailed with the red rings, heheh).

So do the rest of us. There are very few Wii only owners and even less who intend to never get a 360 or PS3 or upgrade their PC. No hardcore gamer on this site is going to limit themselves to one console.

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

The Wii is capable of good graphics though(EDIT : !!!!!!WHAT!:!)... As well as good controls...

SolidTy

WOAH!

Settle down there.

Fine, you want to say the Wii is capable of Good Graphics, then he should rephrase it to Phenominal Graphics just to make you happy.

Instead of Trolling, don't you see his point? No RE5, No SC4, No GTA, etc.? That has a lot to do with the Lack of Phenominal Graphics the Wii can produce. The Huge LACK.

Really it's due to developers backing the wrong horse. ...

Can you blame those teams? You toil away, modeling for years with a certain graphics level, and then a new system hits with the potential to be here another 5-6 years with the same graphics again?!

That's got be rough. As an artist, I know I would want to expand my game.

But as far as SALES go, you have a point....it's a tough, tough call.

IF as you say it is rough on artists then why are there even Xbox 360 and PS3 games... Why not just do PC where the real graphics really are...

For many games yes. RE4 is another example. As is Zelda: OOT and The Wind Waker.

If a game has great graphic, 80% of the time it has great gameplay.

AHUGECAT

You seemed to have missed quite a bit of the Wii's library. And graphics will not automatically translate into good gameplay.