ex-Nvidia: nearly every game ships broken on PC

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#1  Edited By Gue1
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and even though it's the developer's fault Nvidia has to fix it with new drivers.

“Nearly every game ships broken. We’re talking major AAA titles from vendors who are everyday names in the industry. In some cases, we’re talking about blatant violations of API rules – one D3D9 game never even called BeginFrame/EndFrame. Some are mistakes or oversights – one shipped bad shaders that heavily impacted performance on NV drivers. These things were day to day occurrences that went into a bug tracker. Then somebody would go in, find out what the game screwed up, and patch the driver to deal with it. There are lots of optional patches already in the driver that are simply toggled on or off as per-game settings, and then hacks that are more specific to games – up to and including total replacement of the shipping shaders with custom versions by the driver team. Ever wondered why nearly every major game release is accompanied by a matching driver release from AMD and/or NVIDIA? There you go.”

Multi-GPU setups are a broken pain in the ass.

“You cannot begin to conceive of the number of failure cases that are involved until you see them in person. I suspect that more than half of the total software effort within the IHVs is dedicated strictly to making multi-GPU setups work with existing games. (And I don’t even know what the hardware side looks like.) If you’ve ever tried to independently build an app that uses multi GPU – especially if, god help you, you tried to do it in OpenGL – you may have discovered this insane rabbit hole. There is ONE fast path, and it’s the narrowest path of all.”

More prove of the struggle that is PC gaming.

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/ex-nvidia-driver-developer-on-why-every-triple-a-games-ship-broken-multi-gpus/

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What struggle?

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I literally can't remember the last time I struggled to do anything on a PC.

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The joys of PC gaming...

new games not working

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#5  Edited By uninspiredcup  Online
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This is why I gave up on pc gaming. Aside from a racist community of dota players, the games don't work.

Since buying my wii life has been significantly better. My nephew (who is 7) currently is not racist. Nor does he shout profanities about my mother when we play Mario Kart 8.

All in all, it's difficult to have any sympathy for pc gamers, perhaps if they presented themselfs as better people, I would care. But, it's basically horrible people screwing horrible people

In the end, the casual people playing wii games, living life and sharing positive experiences win.

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My PC doesn't struggle to run current AAA games like consoles do....

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@uninspiredcup said:

This is why I gave up on pc gaming. Aside from a racist community of dota players, the games don't work.

Since buying my wii life has been significantly better. My nephew (who is 7) currently is not racist. Nor does he shout profanities about my mother when we play Mario Kart 8.

All in all, it's difficult to have any sympathy for pc gamers, perhaps if they presented themselfs as better people, I would care. But, it's basically horrible people screwing horrible people

In the end, the casual people playing wii games, living life and sharing positive experiences win.

Hiding behind the long list of pros for PC gaming to fall back on when discussing system wars topics is nothing new. Especially for a Nintendo kid.

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#8  Edited By deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd
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@Suppaman100 said:

The joys of PC gaming...

new games not working

seems to be happening to consoles more these days....

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@-Unreal- said:

@uninspiredcup said:

This is why I gave up on pc gaming. Aside from a racist community of dota players, the games don't work.

Since buying my wii life has been significantly better. My nephew (who is 7) currently is not racist. Nor does he shout profanities about my mother when we play Mario Kart 8.

All in all, it's difficult to have any sympathy for pc gamers, perhaps if they presented themselfs as better people, I would care. But, it's basically horrible people screwing horrible people

In the end, the casual people playing wii games, living life and sharing positive experiences win.

Hiding behind the long list of pros for PC gaming to fall back on when discussing system wars topics is nothing new. Especially for a Nintendo kid.

How many pc exclusives are as socially rewarding or have the same metacritic score as super smash bro's, Mario Kart 8 or Legends Of Zelda?

Exactly.

When pc games are actually sociable, it is toxic and a bad experience. Nintendo games promote humility and fun. For children of innocence.

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@uninspiredcup said:

@-Unreal- said:

@uninspiredcup said:

This is why I gave up on pc gaming. Aside from a racist community of dota players, the games don't work.

Since buying my wii life has been significantly better. My nephew (who is 7) currently is not racist. Nor does he shout profanities about my mother when we play Mario Kart 8.

All in all, it's difficult to have any sympathy for pc gamers, perhaps if they presented themselfs as better people, I would care. But, it's basically horrible people screwing horrible people

In the end, the casual people playing wii games, living life and sharing positive experiences win.

Hiding behind the long list of pros for PC gaming to fall back on when discussing system wars topics is nothing new. Especially for a Nintendo kid.

How many pc exclusives are as socially rewarding or have the same metacritic score as super smash bro's, Mario Kart 8 or Legends Of Zelda?

Exactly.

When pc games are actually sociable, it is toxic and a bad experience. Nintendo games promote humility and fun. For children of innocence.

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@uninspiredcup said:

@-Unreal- said:

@uninspiredcup said:

This is why I gave up on pc gaming. Aside from a racist community of dota players, the games don't work.

Since buying my wii life has been significantly better. My nephew (who is 7) currently is not racist. Nor does he shout profanities about my mother when we play Mario Kart 8.

All in all, it's difficult to have any sympathy for pc gamers, perhaps if they presented themselfs as better people, I would care. But, it's basically horrible people screwing horrible people

In the end, the casual people playing wii games, living life and sharing positive experiences win.

Hiding behind the long list of pros for PC gaming to fall back on when discussing system wars topics is nothing new. Especially for a Nintendo kid.

How many pc exclusives are as socially rewarding or have the same metacritic score as super smash bro's, Mario Kart 8 or Legends Of Zelda?

Exactly.

When pc games are actually sociable, it is toxic and a bad experience. Nintendo games promote humility and fun. For children of innocence.

I expected you to defend against what I said about you, but I'll take the lack thereof as an admission of guilt. Console peasant Nintendokid.

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Does anyone actually believe these PC guys when they say they never have problems running games?? I have to chuckle every time I see them claim that nonsense~

As for the releasing broken games. Well that seems to be the trend regardless of platform. Release and patch I'm afraid is the way things are now. Pretty much why I am not a day one kinda guy~

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Jesus TC you can't even quote a title from your link properly

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Sometimes i feel bad for peasants, trying so hard to convince themselves their $400 dollar crap hardware is not that bad.

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Not allowing enough time for development and then rushing it out the door is the problem. If the dev team and driver team are given enough time, no game would launch broken. The blame is most certainly on the publisher.

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@Suppaman100 said:

The joys of PC gaming...

new games not working

The joys of PC gaming ... games get fixed.

The joys of console gaming ... new games not working and don't get fixed.

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@blue_hazy_basic said:

@Suppaman100 said:

The joys of PC gaming...

new games not working

The joys of PC gaming ... games get fixed.

The joys of console gaming ... new games not working and don't get fixed.

I was under the impression that both get patches when and where they are needed for consoles and PCs.

Out of curiosity what console games never received a patch for something that really needed one? I'm not saying you are wrong I just can't think of any.

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#19  Edited By blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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@GamingTitan said:

@blue_hazy_basic said:

@Suppaman100 said:

The joys of PC gaming...

new games not working

The joys of PC gaming ... games get fixed.

The joys of console gaming ... new games not working and don't get fixed.

I was under the impression that both get patches when and where they are needed for consoles and PCs.

Out of curiosity what console games never received a patch for something that really needed one? I'm not saying you are wrong I just can't think of any.

Ummm recently how about MCC and Driveclub taking months and months and still not properly working?

Off the top of my head, before that a biggie was Skyrim on the PS3. If I sat and thought about it long enough pretty sure I could come up with a huge list.

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@-Unreal- said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@-Unreal- said:

@uninspiredcup said:

This is why I gave up on pc gaming. Aside from a racist community of dota players, the games don't work.

Since buying my wii life has been significantly better. My nephew (who is 7) currently is not racist. Nor does he shout profanities about my mother when we play Mario Kart 8.

All in all, it's difficult to have any sympathy for pc gamers, perhaps if they presented themselfs as better people, I would care. But, it's basically horrible people screwing horrible people

In the end, the casual people playing wii games, living life and sharing positive experiences win.

Hiding behind the long list of pros for PC gaming to fall back on when discussing system wars topics is nothing new. Especially for a Nintendo kid.

How many pc exclusives are as socially rewarding or have the same metacritic score as super smash bro's, Mario Kart 8 or Legends Of Zelda?

Exactly.

When pc games are actually sociable, it is toxic and a bad experience. Nintendo games promote humility and fun. For children of innocence.

I expected you to defend against what I said about you, but I'll take the lack thereof as an admission of guilt. Console peasant Nintendokid.

My friend, using insults to imply I am a young person, while simenentanousllly using worlds of warcraft promotional art is a paradox of hypocrisy.

Both Nintendo products and Blizzard products are primarily aimed at children. World Of Warcraft is renowned for creating social unrest and promoting toxic behavior.

The entire concept of dota players being emotionally unbalanced racists primarily derived from Blizzard.

Compared to a competitive title such as Super Smash Bro's or Mario Kart, it's not a pleasant or life enriching experience.

Nintendo enhance life's, Blizzard destroys.

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@-Unreal-: You need to learn how to spot a fakeboy trolling with huge bait hooks

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@blue_hazy_basic said:

@GamingTitan said:

@blue_hazy_basic said:

@Suppaman100 said:

The joys of PC gaming...

new games not working

The joys of PC gaming ... games get fixed.

The joys of console gaming ... new games not working and don't get fixed.

I was under the impression that both get patches when and where they are needed for consoles and PCs.

Out of curiosity what console games never received a patch for something that really needed one? I'm not saying you are wrong I just can't think of any.

Ummm recently how about MCC and Driveclub taking months and months and still not properly working?

Off the top of my head, before that a biggie was Skyrim on the PS3. If I sat and thought about it long enough pretty sure I could come up with a huge list.

I see what you're saying about taking too long to patch them, but in all fairness they are indeed getting them, just slowly~ Isn't that the same for PC though. They don't get fixed the day after they come out or anything. It's a process either way.

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Well I've never heard of a console game ever needing to be patched and every single game released on them runs flawlessly from day one....oh wait!

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@GamingTitan: Some games take longer than others, but almost always there are mods and community work arounds to either fix an issue or to customise a game to your liking. Games in general now are so complex that, unless its a linear corridor run like the Order, there are always likely to be issues. On consoles you're stuck with what your given and at the dev's mercy and timeframe. Obviously doesn't work for every game but you also tend to get much closer communities on the PC both in terms of mod development and with the developers themselves.

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He's talking about ALL games.

Because thankfully games release in perfect condition on consoles, like Driveclub, or Halo MCC, or Resident Evil Revelations 2, or Saints Row Re-elected,

And when they ship well enough, they end up a shit port, like DmC right now

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#26  Edited By naz99
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Yawn,more PC butthurt ,all these constant flimsy "ownage" threads just keep displaying how little you actually know and how any of you lack even a remotely solid argument.

Some guy says most pc games are broken.

I play loads of PC games most are not broken a handful (mostly from Ubishit) are and usually not for long.

Sorry but i will believe my actual hands on experience over what some guy says,maybe it's true but my own practical evidence does not support it.

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Only problematic games I've played have been the Assassin Creed series. I'd like to know which AAA games this supposed ex-employee is talking of.

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#28  Edited By DEadliNE-Zero0
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btw, can people atleast list the amount of broken games released on PC last year, incomparison to great ones?

Good pc versions:

  • South Park TSoT (Obsidian bugs on all platforms)
  • Dark Souls 2
  • Wolfenstein TNO
  • GRID Autosport
  • Titanfall
  • Divinity Original Sin
  • Shadow of Mordor
  • Alien Isolation ( an actual potato could run it better than consoles)
  • Borderlands TPS
  • Call of Duty Advanced Warfare
  • Metal Gear Solid V GZ
  • Valkyria Chronicles
  • Ryse Son of Rome
  • Thief
  • Transistor
  • Child of Light
  • Valiant Hearts
  • Shovel Knight
  • Castlevania LOS 2
  • Sniper Elite 3

Bad pc version

  • Watch Dogs
  • AC Unity (broke on consoles aswell)
  • Far Cry 4
  • Dead Rising (broken on xb1)
  • The Evil Within (broken on consoles)
  • Lords of the Fallen
  • Dragon Age Inquisition (i think, heard alot about bugs and glitches)
  • Final Fantasy XIII

Hey, look at that 20 v 8. Well, if you remove the Ubisoft games and the ones broken on consoles aswell that's 3 games.

And that's not counting games like Driveclub and Halo MCC.

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Games have shipped broken on PC for a LONG time. Hence the need to go and get updates for them manually. Only difference is now the client you're using does it for you instead of you going to Fileplanet or something to get it. PC games are a mess in general.

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@Puckhog04 said:

Games have shipped broken on PC for a LONG time. Hence the need to go and get updates for them manually. Only difference is now the client you're using does it for you instead of you going to Fileplanet or something to get it. PC games are a mess in general.

Fileplanet.......lol

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The guy doesnt say its a problem specific to PC and he also contradicts himself by saying "Ever wondered why nearly every major game release is accompanied by a matching driver release from AMD and/or NVIDIA? There you go." basically saying that the problems are usually fixed on PC with early driver releases (usually before a games release in Nvidias' case) something that consoles dont have the luxury of.

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This guy needs to stop posting. I doubt if he even has a gaming PC. Only a braindead can't run a pc.

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@pelvist said:

The guy doesnt say its a problem specific to PC and he also contradicts himself by saying "Ever wondered why nearly every major game release is accompanied by a matching driver release from AMD and/or NVIDIA? There you go." basically saying that the problems are usually fixed on PC with early driver releases (usually before a games release in Nvidias' case) something that consoles dont have the luxury of.

Are you surprised they base their arguments on misread articles?

I am, because it almost never happens *snigger*

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@naz99 said:

@pelvist said:

The guy doesnt say its a problem specific to PC and he also contradicts himself by saying "Ever wondered why nearly every major game release is accompanied by a matching driver release from AMD and/or NVIDIA? There you go." basically saying that the problems are usually fixed on PC with early driver releases (usually before a games release in Nvidias' case) something that consoles dont have the luxury of.

Are you surprised?

It's Gue1. He's a major cow usually butthurt about PC like Suppaman, MrPowers, etc

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#36  Edited By naz99
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@deadline-zero0 said:

@naz99 said:

@pelvist said:

The guy doesnt say its a problem specific to PC and he also contradicts himself by saying "Ever wondered why nearly every major game release is accompanied by a matching driver release from AMD and/or NVIDIA? There you go." basically saying that the problems are usually fixed on PC with early driver releases (usually before a games release in Nvidias' case) something that consoles dont have the luxury of.

Are you surprised?

It's Gue1. He's a major cow usually butthurt about PC like Suppaman, MrPowers, etc

I know, I reedited my post as my intended sarcasm didn't come across in just 2 words ;)

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#37  Edited By jhonMalcovich
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Helldivers Glitch Wipes Save Data When PS4/PS3 Controller Dies

IGN: console games unplayable at launch

/thread

@Wasdie @blue_hazy_basic

Seriously, guyz, how many pc-gaming-is-struggle threads are you gonna allow per day. Isn't it like spamming.

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Lol, what's up with so many anti PC threads these days? It's so funny. BTW, I want more broken games that run at better graphics, frame rates and resolution.

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@jhonMalcovich said:

Helldivers Glitch Wipes Save Data When PS4/PS3 Controller Dies

/thread

@Wasdie @blue_hazy_basic

Seriously, guyz, how many pc-gaming-is-struggle threads are you gonna allow per day. Isn't it like spamming.

Don't you enjoy watching them flapping around like rabid seagulls while failing to make valid points and generally self owning?

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#40 R4gn4r0k
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@lostrib said:

What struggle?

The daily struggle to decide what games you'll play as there is just so much to play on PC.

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@Cloud_imperium said:

Lol, what's up with so many anti PC threads these days? It's so funny. BTW, I want more broken games that run at better graphics, frame rates and resolution.

Consolites having way too much time on their hands ?

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@jhonMalcovich said:

Helldivers Glitch Wipes Save Data When PS4/PS3 Controller Dies

IGN: console games unplayable at launch

/thread

@Wasdie @blue_hazy_basic

Seriously, guyz, how many pc-gaming-is-struggle threads are you gonna allow per day. Isn't it like spamming.

The peasants feel threatened.

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@R4gn4r0k said:

@Cloud_imperium said:

Lol, what's up with so many anti PC threads these days? It's so funny. BTW, I want more broken games that run at better graphics, frame rates and resolution.

Consolites having way too much time on their hands ?

No games to play, I suppose.

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#44  Edited By naz99
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@R4gn4r0k said:

@Cloud_imperium said:

Lol, what's up with so many anti PC threads these days? It's so funny. BTW, I want more broken games that run at better graphics, frame rates and resolution.

Consolites having way too much time on their hands ?

Im playing Cities Skyline on my main screen while posting on these forums on my second monitor........Sucks to be a PC gamer :D

We get to troll post and game at the same time!

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#45  Edited By DEadliNE-Zero0
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@jhonMalcovich: bu-bu-bu-but console games are always working and don't get bugs like pc

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#46 pelvist
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@Cloud_imperium said:

Lol, what's up with so many anti PC threads these days? It's so funny. BTW, I want more broken games that run at better graphics, frame rates and resolution.

Probably the recent Star Citizen threads that have been posted. Its envy.

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#47 R4gn4r0k
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@naz99 said:

Im playing Cities Skyline on my main screen while posting on these forums on my second monitor........Sucks to be a PC gamer :D

We get to troll post and game at the same time!

That's the spirit !

I really want to buy Cities Skylines (ignoring my backlog), how is it ?

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#48 R4gn4r0k
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@l0ngshot said:

No games to play, I suppose.

Well yeah. It's months and months of hyping up a single game, only to have that game last about 5 hours and you're done with it.

Meanwhile PC this week has: Hotline Miami, Assassin's Creed Rogue, Cities Skylines and Ori and the Blind Forest.

Just an ordinary week in a PC gamers life.

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#49  Edited By jhonMalcovich
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@R4gn4r0k said:

@naz99 said:

Im playing Cities Skyline on my main screen while posting on these forums on my second monitor........Sucks to be a PC gamer :D

We get to troll post and game at the same time!

That's the spirit !

I really want to buy Cities Skylines (ignoring my backlog), how is it ?

IGN has already reviewed it and gave it a high score.

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#50 lostrib
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@R4gn4r0k said:

@lostrib said:

What struggle?

The daily struggle to decide what games you'll play as there is just so much to play on PC.

Oh, I know that struggle. it's a tough one