Exclusives do matter, alot actuallly....

No argument here.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Nielsen is a research organisation that did a purchase intent motivating factor study about the PS3, that you're misinterpretting since it makes no mention of "exclusives."

It asked participants to choose their five most important motivating factors for buying a PS3, from a list of ten options and then gave a proportion of respondents who listed a particular reason amongst their top five motivating factors.

For 12% of the respondents "I am looking forward to buying a specific game." was one of their top five motivating factors. Amongst the specific games specified were Modern Warfare and Final Fantasy XIII. This does not mean that buying a specific game is the least important factor, but it is the least common top five factor.

62% of respondents included among their top five motivating factors "I like the library of games available." which will again include both multiplatform and exclusive titles.

TL;DR version, you've no basis for your claim.

ShadowMoses900

Did they say "exclusive"? If not then they are just saying specific games in general, could be multiplat or exclusive. You shouldn't bring things up if you don't understand them and want to use them for some kind of agenda. Yep I'm the one that has an obsession around here alright :roll:

Still doesn't change the fact that the study was crap...

Multiplatforms are part of the 'library of games' choice which came in third.

You can argue you don't like the study. Not a surprising reaction from SW with the obsession with 'exclusives'.

They used the term 'specific game' because not everyone knows what the hell 'exclusives' mean....is it console exclusive or what. There were issues with using that term.

Multiplatforms are part of the 'library of games' choice which came in third.

You can argue you don't like the study. Not a surprising reaction from SW with the obsession with 'exclusives'.

KC_Hokie

Stop making up bull**** and drawing things from a study that aren't there.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]In the study you could give every choice the best score. 'Specific game' (exclusive) came last ahead of 'other'. shinrabanshou

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]They used the term 'specific game' because not everyone knows what the hell 'exclusives' mean....is it console exclusive or what. There were issues with using that term.

Multiplatforms are part of the 'library of games' choice which came in third.

You can argue you don't like the study. Not a surprising reaction from SW with the obsession with 'exclusives'.

shinrabanshou

The library of games crushed ANY specific upcoming game. Rarely do you have a single multiplatform game on your mind as a potential buyer. That makes zero sense. KC_Hokie

Again if you don't understand the study and/or don't know what the study actually said, then don't make stuff up and use it as a source.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]The library of games crushed ANY specific upcoming game. Rarely do you have a single multiplatform game on your mind as a potential buyer. That makes zero sense. shinrabanshou

Trying to explain the study and why it goes against exclusives as a driving motivator of console sales is a waste of time on SW. I might as well go cut my grass and watch it grow.KC_Hokie

I love the people bashing the PS3. You can accept the fact that PS3 had more exculisves this year and don't say oh the Kinect counts because we all know that is shovel ware.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]bd was and continues to be an albatross around games necks. manditory installs and slow loads alone are enough to show games would have been better off without it.

i love it for movies though.

Riverwolf007

lol you do realise that the next xbox is going to have Blu Ray right? Lol @ using dvd's in this generation, so outdated might aswell use tapedecks too. Blu Ray is the future of HD and games and movies, you wish the 360 had it and you know it's true. And the installs are Sony's fault for not fixing the memory situation with the PS3 (not game save memory storage, different type of memory) this is why the PS3 can't use cross chat because there simply isn't enough software memory. That's why some games have to be installed, but slow loads never happens. Don't know where you are getting that from :?

If the 360 had Blu Ray you guys could have gotten MGS4 on the 360, but alas the 360 uses inferior and outdated technology so it will never hapoen on the 360, NEVER! I wish it was otherwise that's why I'm hoping that MGS4 comes to the next xbox, although they would also have to upgrade the controller because the current 360 controller CANNOT beat psycho mantis in MGS4 or do some of the other nesseccary things in the game.

Like I said it's outdated ...

and now that you mention it i'm really glad the 360 does not have it since i have seen what it does to ps3 games and i already have a bd player.

and i played mgs4.

and did you really just say 360 controller can't beat psyco mantis? is that some kind of pop culture reference? is it supposed to mean something to me?

am i supposed to be all oh noes! 360 ain't got the tech so beat psycho mantis! it's an unsolvable conundrum!

Blu Ray matters and the 360 is the inferior product because it does not have it. Without Blu Ray every console is outdated, MS really screwed up with that. So how are those HD DVD working out for you guys? Oh wait too soon? lol. Blu Ray is the reason why PS3 games are of higher quality and polish than 360 and Wii, why can't 360 do Killzone or Uncharted or MGS4? I think you know the answer...

And the reason why the 360 controller can't defeat psycho mantis is because it requires the use of the six axis controller movement to beat him in MGS4. You obviously never played it or you would know this, he's the last boss fight before liquid and if it was on 360 there would be 7 discs and the game would end right at psycho mantis because the 360 controller doesn't have what it takes to beat him.

On a serious note, the 360 has good games too and I think Gears 3 is very good. That is all, I don't bash games themselves (unless it's fable ugghhh) :P

Uncharted and MGS isnt PS3's flagship title

its Call of Duty

I love the people bashing the PS3. You can expect the fact that PS3 had more exculisves this year and don't say oh the Kinect counts because we all know that is shovel ware.

HaloPimp978

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

lol you do realise that the next xbox is going to have Blu Ray right? Lol @ using dvd's in this generation, so outdated might aswell use tapedecks too. Blu Ray is the future of HD and games and movies, you wish the 360 had it and you know it's true. And the installs are Sony's fault for not fixing the memory situation with the PS3 (not game save memory storage, different type of memory) this is why the PS3 can't use cross chat because there simply isn't enough software memory. That's why some games have to be installed, but slow loads never happens. Don't know where you are getting that from :?

If the 360 had Blu Ray you guys could have gotten MGS4 on the 360, but alas the 360 uses inferior and outdated technology so it will never hapoen on the 360, NEVER! I wish it was otherwise that's why I'm hoping that MGS4 comes to the next xbox, although they would also have to upgrade the controller because the current 360 controller CANNOT beat psycho mantis in MGS4 or do some of the other nesseccary things in the game.

Like I said it's outdated ...

ShadowMoses900

and now that you mention it i'm really glad the 360 does not have it since i have seen what it does to ps3 games and i already have a bd player.

and i played mgs4.

and did you really just say 360 controller can't beat psyco mantis? is that some kind of pop culture reference? is it supposed to mean something to me?

am i supposed to be all oh noes! 360 ain't got the tech so beat psycho mantis! it's an unsolvable conundrum!

Blu Ray matters and the 360 is the inferior product because it does not have it. Without Blu Ray every console is outdated, MS really screwed up with that. So how are those HD DVD working out for you guys? Oh wait too soon? lol. Blu Ray is the reason why PS3 games are of higher quality and polish than 360 and Wii, why can't 360 do Killzone or Uncharted or MGS4? I think you know the answer...

And the reason why the 360 controller can't defeat psycho mantis is because it requires the use of the six axis controller movement to beat him in MGS4. You obviously never played it or you would know this, he's the last boss fight before liquid and if it was on 360 there would be 7 discs and the game would end right at psycho mantis because the 360 controller doesn't have what it takes to beat him.

On a serious note, the 360 has good games too and I think Gears 3 is very good. That is all, I don't bash games themselves (unless it's fable ugghhh) :P

Blu-ray is only good for mass pre-rendered cutscenes to make the game look alot better than it actually is

this is what God of War 3 and Uncharted 2 did, Uncharted 3 is doing it aswell of course

or it can be good for uncompressed CGI, like FF13

other than that, its useless

Blu Ray matters and the 360 is the inferior product because it does not have it. Without Blu Ray every console is outdated, MS really screwed up with that. So how are those HD DVD working out for you guys? Oh wait too soon? lol. Blu Ray is the reason why PS3 games are of higher quality and polish than 360 and Wii, why can't 360 do Killzone or Uncharted or MGS4? I think you know the answer...

And the reason why the 360 controller can't defeat psycho mantis is because it requires the use of the six axis controller movement to beat him in MGS4. You obviously never played it or you would know this, he's the last boss fight before liquid and if it was on 360 there would be 7 discs and the game would end right at psycho mantis because the 360 controller doesn't have what it takes to beat him.

On a serious note, the 360 has good games too and I think Gears 3 is very good. That is all, I don't bash games themselves (unless it's fable ugghhh) :P

ShadowMoses900

Is that why the PC, long known to have superior graphics, uses Blu Ray? Oh. Never Mind.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

lol you do realise that the next xbox is going to have Blu Ray right? Lol @ using dvd's in this generation, so outdated might aswell use tapedecks too. Blu Ray is the future of HD and games and movies, you wish the 360 had it and you know it's true. And the installs are Sony's fault for not fixing the memory situation with the PS3 (not game save memory storage, different type of memory) this is why the PS3 can't use cross chat because there simply isn't enough software memory. That's why some games have to be installed, but slow loads never happens. Don't know where you are getting that from :?

If the 360 had Blu Ray you guys could have gotten MGS4 on the 360, but alas the 360 uses inferior and outdated technology so it will never hapoen on the 360, NEVER! I wish it was otherwise that's why I'm hoping that MGS4 comes to the next xbox, although they would also have to upgrade the controller because the current 360 controller CANNOT beat psycho mantis in MGS4 or do some of the other nesseccary things in the game.

Like I said it's outdated ...

ShadowMoses900

and now that you mention it i'm really glad the 360 does not have it since i have seen what it does to ps3 games and i already have a bd player.

and i played mgs4.

and did you really just say 360 controller can't beat psyco mantis? is that some kind of pop culture reference? is it supposed to mean something to me?

am i supposed to be all oh noes! 360 ain't got the tech so beat psycho mantis! it's an unsolvable conundrum!

Blu Ray matters and the 360 is the inferior product because it does not have it. Without Blu Ray every console is outdated, MS really screwed up with that. So how are those HD DVD working out for you guys? Oh wait too soon? lol. Blu Ray is the reason why PS3 games are of higher quality and polish than 360 and Wii, why can't 360 do Killzone or Uncharted or MGS4? I think you know the answer...

And the reason why the 360 controller can't defeat psycho mantis is because it requires the use of the six axis controller movement to beat him in MGS4. You obviously never played it or you would know this, he's the last boss fight before liquid and if it was on 360 there would be 7 discs and the game would end right at psycho mantis because the 360 controller doesn't have what it takes to beat him.

On a serious note, the 360 has good games too and I think Gears 3 is very good. That is all, I don't bash games themselves (unless it's fable ugghhh) :P

Blu Ray is the reason why PS3 games are of higher quality and polish than 360 and Wii,ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Blu Ray is the reason why PS3 games are of higher quality and polish than 360 and Wii,starjet905

PC games are polished? News to me.

I wouldnt buy a 360 for rubbish like Halo. Cmon Dude i have taste in games. Gears yes i'd consider buying a console for that game. I still to this day own very little exclusives on 360.

my last several purchases in last couple of weeks have all been multi-plats on 360

dead space 1 and 2

vanquish

marvel vs capcom 3

dead rising 2 (playing now)

Gears of War 3

Wii on the other hand is a different kettle of fish. brought more exclusives for this console but thats differant tech for you.

It's obvious that exclusives do matter. If x system had all the game y system has (aka Multiplatform games) and then x had 10 exclusives, while y had 0 exclusives, which one would you buy? Oil_rope_bombs

[QUOTE="starjet905"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Blu Ray is the reason why PS3 games are of higher quality and polish than 360 and Wii,Pug-Nasty

PC games are polished? News to me.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="starjet905"]Then would you kindly explain how PC games that come on DVDs manage higher "polish" than PS3 games? BluRay is just a storage medium, nothing more. Sure, DVD based games will have the problem of the game being on multiple discs, but that's where the difference ends.starjet905

PC games are polished? News to me.

I am aware that BD has nothing to do with polish, but I thought you were talking about the PC's indie games for some reason. And most games aren't all that polished on any system.

I am aware that BD has nothing to do with polish, but I thought you were talking about the PC's indie games for some reason. And most games aren't all that polished on any system.

Pug-Nasty

Exclusive does matter.... because It prevent me from buying nintendo's family friendly games Kollectionhippiesanta

Wii has the best exclusives.

Yes I agree.

Exclusives do matter, but no as much as previous gens.. When you look at the number of series that have "jumped ship" to find a home on the 360 it's staggering..

• The Virtua Fighter series
• The Tekken series
• The Final Fantasy series
• The Resident Evil series
• The Devil May Cry series

These were once blockbuster exclusives to the PS brand but now are available for the 360. And visa versawith games like Ninja Gaiden, Mass Effect ect.. The point is, exclusivity has become a grey area this gen because there are simply too many games/series that stretch across both platforms. It's not the same as last gen when things were VERY lopsided. Hell FF, RE and DMC were reasons enough for me not to need a PS3..

Exclusives do matter, but no as much as previous gens.. When you look at the number of series that have "jumped ship" to find a home on the 360 it's staggering..

• The Virtua Fighter series
• The Tekken series
• The Final Fantasy series
• The Resident Evil series
• The Devil May Cry series

These were once blockbuster exclusives to the PS brand but now are available for the 360. And visa versawith games like Ninja Gaiden, Mass Effect ect.. The point is, exclusivity has become a grey area this gen because there are simply too many games/series that stretch across both platforms. It's not the same as last gen when things were VERY lopsided. Hell FF, RE and DMC were reasons enough for me not to need a PS3..

OhSnapitz

Virtua fighter started upon Sega Consoles, if i remember right Mega Drive (probaly not). Tekken was on PSX. Final Fantasy started life on Nintendo consoles (Nes). resident evil was on Saturn and Resident evil 2 was on N64. DMC was exclusive on PS2.

Who ever said they didnt matter?

Im a gamer so love to have as much choice and as many games as possible but I think unless Sony or Microsoft funded, the days of the exclusive are numbered. Its getting more expensive to develop the games and often it doesnt make enough profit when its done on a single platform, so multiplat is the way. The games that must be on your system are, COD and GTA as they are the biggest hitters out there. As an example GTA 4 has sold 22 million games and if you split this equally 3 ways 7 million is likely to be more than 90% of exclusives out there.