excuses do not exonerate bad performance

i keep reading the ps3 is in last because of the economy and its price, and any number of ifs and wishes that talk about how good it should be doing. the ps3 is in last place, you can love it, you can think its the best, but dont try to spin things into what they are not. sales are the votes casted by the market to evaluate a given product, the ps3 is not a higher luxury good that was intended on reaching a higher market, it is in direct competition with the other current home consoles.

if it were a higher luxury good it would have been sold a a profit from launch, if it were a higher luxury good it would not requier as many units sold to turn the same amount of profit, if it were a higher luxury item it would be the first flagship media device of its kind.

the ps3 is selling slower then the others, the ps3 has the lowest attachrate of the three (unless we get news its over 7), and all of this means the market has voted the ps3 to be the least worth while console at this point in time.

if the ps3 cost $100 retail could it be in first place? who knows, its not $100. excuses do not exonerate bad performance, your enjoyment is your own, your opinion is your own, drawing unfounded conclustions from your own baseless speculation is wrong.

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SoulEater30

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surrealnumber5

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SoulEater30

i agree with the tcdakan45

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SoulEater30

There is so many excuses used to defend the PS3's bad performance. 1-The 360 is $200 cheaper. (well depending what the topic is because 50% the 360 is more expensive) 2-Like you said economy 3-Sony's marketing dept. 4-The big games are not out yet like GoW or GT5. Because all the other games that this was said about I guess were not big. 5-bad press 6-people are just waiting for the slim 7 and on and on and on It is funny so many excuses need to be made for the PS3 considering what the PS2 did. Many are just not able to say the truth. Also as far as game scores that is stupid to say this will boost sales because those scores are just this website not the whole gaming world which is what game sales go by.rybe1025

People make excuses because they feel like they have to. There are obviously reasons why the PS3 is falling behind that you can't simply label as 'excuses'. Thats besides the point though, I love my PS3. I got rid of my 360 about a month ago because it just couldn't compare honestly. I don't really care about the sales figures because the games speak for themselves. Exclusives are the only true disparity between consoles, and Sony is holding all the cards.

This is my opinion of course, but its the only one i really care about. Unlike others who focus on what other people are buying to influence their decision.

that logic works for all fanboys, lemmings always have excuses for the 360's high failure rate, sheep always have excuses for the wiis lack of games, and even the hermits have the same excuses that ps3 fanboys have about the price of systems.

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12345678ew

Really? You're really going to pretend price isn't a factor? :lol: If the PS3 was in a price range seen before for gaming consoles, you would have a point. But they have had a unit that has been priced higher than ANY other console before (with Sony taking losses). To say that has no affect on the buyer is funny at best. I guess since the Ford Taurus has sold more than any Ferrari ever made, the market must have decided that the Tauras was the higher quality, better performing vehicle........ :lol: And then when you come to your senses on price being a factor, you must take the economy into account.PoppaGamer

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]There is so many excuses used to defend the PS3's bad performance. 1-The 360 is $200 cheaper. (well depending what the topic is because 50% the 360 is more expensive) 2-Like you said economy 3-Sony's marketing dept. 4-The big games are not out yet like GoW or GT5. Because all the other games that this was said about I guess were not big. 5-bad press 6-people are just waiting for the slim 7 and on and on and on It is funny so many excuses need to be made for the PS3 considering what the PS2 did. Many are just not able to say the truth. Also as far as game scores that is stupid to say this will boost sales because those scores are just this website not the whole gaming world which is what game sales go by.Game-fu

People make excuses because they feel like they have to. There are obviously reasons why the PS3 is falling behind that you can't simply label as 'excuses'. Thats besides the point though, I love my PS3. I got rid of my 360 about a month ago because it just couldn't compare honestly. I don't really care about the sales figures because the games speak for themselves. Exclusives are the only true disparity between consoles, and Sony is holding all the cards.

This is my opinion of course, but its the only one i really care about. Unlike others who focus on what other people are buying to influence their decision.

Well stated, sir. I agree with the TC, but this goes both ways. I don't think the 360's poor hardware and lack of good new IPs should be exonerated by a 3-year warranty and 2 new Halo games. Furthermore, the Wii shouldn't be exonerated for any lack in the games department or for having an abundance of shovelware simply because it's popular. Nothing is without fault, no matter how small that fault may be.

My thoughts on the PS3? I love mine and I'm perfectly content with it. There are some 360 games that interest me, pretty much no Wii games that interest me, and a lot of upcoming PS3 titles and a few multiplats that interest me. I feel bad for Sony in a sense because I think they're shooting themselves in the foot. It's strange though, because they obvious have good games. They're not stupid. I almost feel like they're not trying. Well, their marketing department anyway. If anything, I think the Wii has managed to take the most advantage of a gimmick this gen, the 360 has made the most use of Microsoft's spin and PR, and Sony thus far seems to be only working from word of mouth and the namesake they built through the PS1 and PS2.

Hopefully they wise up soon (or initiate whatever master plan they've conceived) and drop the price and up the advertising.

You're right TC. I think there's no excuse that the cheapest current-gen console in the market, half the price of the PS3, was only able to sell 0.1M more in the first quarter. Now that's poor performance.

PS3 is doing fine. 24 million sold. Keep in mind the PS3 was at $600 for over 6 months.

I don't see the "bad" performance. Only pity is that Sony is losing money. Other then that, it's a very solid console. Over 20 million on PSN and sales are going strong month to month. With a Slim PS3 possibly coming out and being priced in the $300 range, you can bet the sales are going to jump very quickly.

You're right TC. I think there's no excuse that the cheapest current-gen console in the market, half the price of the PS3, was only able to sell 0.1M more in the first quarter. Now that's poor performance.

DarkyC

PS3 is doing fine. 24 million sold. Keep in mind the PS3 was at $600 for over 6 months.

I don't see the "bad" performance. Only pity is that Sony is losing money. Other then that, it's a very solid console. Over 20 million on PSN and sales are going strong month to month. With a Slim PS3 possibly coming out and being priced in the $300 range, you can bet the sales are going to jump very quickly.

Puckhog04

You're right TC. I think there's no excuse that the cheapest current-gen console in the market, half the price of the PS3, was only able to sell 0.1M more in the first quarter. Now that's poor performance.

DarkyC

A win is a win nontheless. Quit making excuses...

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You're right TC. I think there's no excuse that the cheapest current-gen console in the market, half the price of the PS3, was only able to sell 0.1M more in the first quarter. Now that's poor performance.

surrealnumber5

PS3 is doing fine. 24 million sold. Keep in mind the PS3 was at $600 for over 6 months.

I don't see the "bad" performance. Only pity is that Sony is losing money. Other then that, it's a very solid console. Over 20 million on PSN and sales are going strong month to month. With a Slim PS3 possibly coming out and being priced in the $300 range, you can bet the sales are going to jump very quickly.

Puckhog04

The Wii is basically $200 cheaper than the PS3 (was $350 cheaper at one point) and the 360 not only had a year headstart but also is priced at a cheaper price. Price is a factor whether or not you want to believe it. Especially in our current economy. Doing "bad" is also relative to the person seeing the circumstance. I see it as none of them are going anywhere as all have a huge installed base as well as many quality titles coming out in the future. You obviously see it differently.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="DarkyC"] the market speaks for its self, you wont get a rise out of me by bashing the 360 [QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

PS3 is doing fine. 24 million sold. Keep in mind the PS3 was at $600 for over 6 months.

I don't see the "bad" performance. Only pity is that Sony is losing money. Other then that, it's a very solid console. Over 20 million on PSN and sales are going strong month to month. With a Slim PS3 possibly coming out and being priced in the $300 range, you can bet the sales are going to jump very quickly.

Puckhog04

The Wii is basically $200 cheaper than the PS3 (was $350 cheaper at one point) and the 360 not only had a year headstart but also is priced at a cheaper price. Price is a factor whether or not you want to believe it. Especially in our current economy. Doing "bad" is also relative to the person seeing the circumstance. I see it as none of them are going anywhere as all have a huge installed base as well as many quality titles coming out in the future. You obviously see it differently.

Anybody that thinks Price isn't a factor in today's economy, is out to lunch.

PS3 is in 3rd place this gen, but it has done very well considering all the challenges and factors it had going against it. I'm very happy to own one and the games library is excellent for me. In the end that's all that matters. Let's judge it when this gen is over.

Anybody that thinks Price isn't a factor in today's economy, is out to lunch.

KratosTwin

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] bad performance is relative to its competitors, the wii would be doing good as its the current generations home market leader, the 360 is ok as its not best or worst, and the ps3 is doing bad as its in last place. at least that is the context i was using the in.surrealnumber5

The Wii is basically $200 cheaper than the PS3 (was $350 cheaper at one point) and the 360 not only had a year headstart but also is priced at a cheaper price. Price is a factor whether or not you want to believe it. Especially in our current economy. Doing "bad" is also relative to the person seeing the circumstance. I see it as none of them are going anywhere as all have a huge installed base as well as many quality titles coming out in the future. You obviously see it differently.

Yes but some people imply "bad" as somehow that console is just going to magically dissapear. Whether or not you were using it like that I can't tell. It seems like you have a hatrid for the console though it's not completely transparent from all your words. Technically speaking, all are still trailing behind the PS2. I guess comparing to the others then it would be doing "bad" but there are other circumstances at work rather than just raw numbers. Some people just choose to take those into consideration whereas others ignore them. Like I said though, different views. ;) I'm enjoying all of them. None are going anywhere so, heh, I'm happy.

No matter how cows try to spin it,teh PS3 has been a disaster for Sony.

Something is only worth as much as the market is willing to pay for it,and quite rightly the market has decided teh PS3 is very bad value compared to the competition.

A price cut down to $150-$200 would reflect its true worth much better.

But I doubt Sony could possibly afford such a cut,seeing as they seem to be hemorrhaging huge amounts of money atm lol.So teh PS3 will continue to fail until Sony get their act together.

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The Wii is basically $200 cheaper than the PS3 (was $350 cheaper at one point) and the 360 not only had a year headstart but also is priced at a cheaper price. Price is a factor whether or not you want to believe it. Especially in our current economy. Doing "bad" is also relative to the person seeing the circumstance. I see it as none of them are going anywhere as all have a huge installed base as well as many quality titles coming out in the future. You obviously see it differently.

Puckhog04

Yes but some people imply "bad" as somehow that console is just going to magically dissapear. Technically speaking, all are still trailing behind the PS2. I guess comparing to the others then it would be doing "bad" but there are other circumstances at work rather than just raw numbers. Some people just choose to take those into consideration whereas others ignore them. Like I said though, different views. ;) I'm enjoying all of them. None are going anywhere so, heh, I'm happy.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] as i stated in another post, performance (end result) should only be compared to others performance when judging success. apples to apples, if you want to say the ps3 is doing swimmingly for its price range the compare it to other consoles that launched at 600+, and you would be correct. but no one does this they want to say it is doing good here and now in this generation and it is because of its price that it is doing well. in this generation the ps3 has about 70% of the sales of the 360 and less then 50% of the wii. its not doing well, good, great... ect when talking about its market performance. consideration on why the outcome is what it is, is ok but it does not make the outcome better or worse. the wii being over 50 million is good no matter how you quantify its reasons, the 360 being at 32 is respectable for any console maker at this point in its life. the ps3 being at 24 only beating out consoles that made a loss and the gamecube (considered a flop) is bad. surrealnumber5

Yes but some people imply "bad" as somehow that console is just going to magically dissapear. Technically speaking, all are still trailing behind the PS2. I guess comparing to the others then it would be doing "bad" but there are other circumstances at work rather than just raw numbers. Some people just choose to take those into consideration whereas others ignore them. Like I said though, different views. ;) I'm enjoying all of them. None are going anywhere so, heh, I'm happy.

Except that everyone already knows the PS3 is in last place. Why reiterate it for the billionth time? Does it somehow make the PS3's games worse? :|

It doesn't make the games dissapear nor does it mean the console is going to just vanish (people thinking this always amuse me).

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Yes but some people imply "bad" as somehow that console is just going to magically dissapear. Technically speaking, all are still trailing behind the PS2. I guess comparing to the others then it would be doing "bad" but there are other circumstances at work rather than just raw numbers. Some people just choose to take those into consideration whereas others ignore them. Like I said though, different views. ;) I'm enjoying all of them. None are going anywhere so, heh, I'm happy.

Puckhog04

Except that everyone already knows the PS3 is in last place. Why reiterate it for the billionth time? Does it somehow make the PS3's games worse? :|

It doesn't make the games dissapear nor does it mean the console is going to just vanish (people thinking this always amuse me).

People are always confused about price. Price does not exist in isolation. In many, many, many product categories lowest price does not equal best selling. Price considerations are relative to perceptions of what you get for the coin: value.

Automobiles are a good example of this. The best selling vehicles are never the cheapest.

Everything you need to know about this vis-a-vis the PS3 is in my signature.

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the ps3 is the best no matter the price

Really? You're really going to pretend price isn't a factor? :lol: If the PS3 was in a price range seen before for gaming consoles, you would have a point. But they have had a unit that has been priced higher than ANY other console before (with Sony taking losses). To say that has no affect on the buyer is funny at best. I guess since the Ford Taurus has sold more than any Ferrari ever made, the market must have decided that the Tauras was the higher quality, better performing vehicle........ :lol: And then when you come to your senses on price being a factor, you must take the economy into account.PoppaGamer

Ferrari's are a high end Luxury item and for SURE are not direct competition of the Ford Taurus...geez man read before you post...

I agree with the TC, the ps3 is trainling down hard and of course there are many reasons behind it ( its an excellent console for sure) but in a direct competition with Xbox and Wii or even only counting the Xbox as direct competition its been a failiure so far..

the ps3 is the best no matter the price

_SWAG_

yes they do.

Sorry to say but excuses to exonerate bad preformance. Its the same concept that if in a live fire exercise someones leg gets shot and the drill instructer fails them for bad preformance even if they finish the exercise....they were shot!!! thats the only excuse needed.

But teacher that person was point a laser pointer into my eyes during the test thats why i missed a few questions.
Teacher: i dont care you still fail.

yes they do.

Sorry to say but excuses to exonerate bad preformance. Its the same concept that if in a live fire exercise someones leg gets shot and the drill instructer fails them for bad preformance even if they finish the exercise....they were shot!!! thats the only excuse needed.

But teacher that person was point a laser pointer into my eyes during the test thats why i missed a few questions.
Teacher: i dont care you still fail.

WilliamRLBaker

except of course sony's bad performance is solely sony's fault for designing a console that needed to be sold at $600 from launch

the situations you just posted were presumably of no fault of the excuse-maker - hence they have legit excuses for their situation.....while sony put themselves into their situation with bad decision making - hence they do not have legit excuses for their situation

to mask bad decision making with excuses is something no good professional would do....i guarantee that internally sony is not making excuses for themselves for their poor performance in the market - there is a good chance they know what they did wrong and are going to correct it next gen

some sony fanboys, on the other hand, are making a plethora of excuses to basiclaly hide the poor decisions of their favourite gaming company

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yes they do.

Sorry to say but excuses to exonerate bad preformance. Its the same concept that if in a live fire exercise someones leg gets shot and the drill instructer fails them for bad preformance even if they finish the exercise....they were shot!!! thats the only excuse needed.

But teacher that person was point a laser pointer into my eyes during the test thats why i missed a few questions.
Teacher: i dont care you still fail.

JB730

except of course sony's bad performance is solely sony's fault for designing a console that needed to be sold at $600 form launch

the situations you just posted were presumably of no fault of the excuse-maker.....while sony put themselves into their situation with bad decision making

to mask bad decision making with excuses is something no good professional would do....i guarantee that internally sony is not making excuses for themselves for their poor performance in the market - there is a good chance they know what they did wrong and are going to correct it next gen

some sony fanboys, on the other hand, are making a plethora of excuses to basiclaly hide the poor decisions of their favourite gaming company

yes they do.

Teacher: i dont care you still fail.

WilliamRLBaker

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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

yes they do.

Sorry to say but excuses to exonerate bad preformance. Its the same concept that if in a live fire exercise someones leg gets shot and the drill instructer fails them for bad preformance even if they finish the exercise....they were shot!!! thats the only excuse needed.

But teacher that person was point a laser pointer into my eyes during the test thats why i missed a few questions.
Teacher: i dont care you still fail.

WilliamRLBaker

except of course sony's bad performance is solely sony's fault for designing a console that needed to be sold at $600 form launch

the situations you just posted were presumably of no fault of the excuse-maker.....while sony put themselves into their situation with bad decision making

to mask bad decision making with excuses is something no good professional would do....i guarantee that internally sony is not making excuses for themselves for their poor performance in the market - there is a good chance they know what they did wrong and are going to correct it next gen

some sony fanboys, on the other hand, are making a plethora of excuses to basiclaly hide the poor decisions of their favourite gaming company

ah i see

you're right, in that legit excuses can exonerate bad performance......but IMO, legit excuses are very rare

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[QUOTE="JB730"]

except of course sony's bad performance is solely sony's fault for designing a console that needed to be sold at $600 form launch

the situations you just posted were presumably of no fault of the excuse-maker.....while sony put themselves into their situation with bad decision making

to mask bad decision making with excuses is something no good professional would do....i guarantee that internally sony is not making excuses for themselves for their poor performance in the market - there is a good chance they know what they did wrong and are going to correct it next gen

some sony fanboys, on the other hand, are making a plethora of excuses to basiclaly hide the poor decisions of their favourite gaming company

JB730

ah i see

you're right, in that legit excuses can exonerate bad performance......but IMO, legit excuses are very rare

and this is not one of them, if japan went to war and sony's factory's were retooled by the gov, that would be a good excuse. surrealnumber5

yup

the former market leader in the industry has no good excuse for the PS3's last place position in the market

People are always confused about price. Price does not exist in isolation. In many, many, many product categories lowest price does not equal best selling. Price considerations are relative to perceptions of what you get for the coin: value.

Automobiles are a good example of this. The best selling vehicles are never the cheapest.

Everything you need to know about this vis-a-vis the PS3 is in my signature.

SUD123456

There is so many excuses used to defend the PS3's bad performance. 1-The 360 is $200 cheaper. (well depending what the topic is because 50% the 360 is more expensive) 2-Like you said economy 3-Sony's marketing dept. 4-The big games are not out yet like GoW or GT5. Because all the other games that this was said about I guess were not big. 5-bad press 6-people are just waiting for the slim 7 and on and on and on It is funny so many excuses need to be made for the PS3 considering what the PS2 did. Many are just not able to say the truth. Also as far as game scores that is stupid to say this will boost sales because those scores are just this website not the whole gaming world which is what game sales go by.rybe1025

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]There is so many excuses used to defend the PS3's bad performance. 1-The 360 is $200 cheaper. (well depending what the topic is because 50% the 360 is more expensive) 2-Like you said economy 3-Sony's marketing dept. 4-The big games are not out yet like GoW or GT5. Because all the other games that this was said about I guess were not big. 5-bad press 6-people are just waiting for the slim 7 and on and on and on It is funny so many excuses need to be made for the PS3 considering what the PS2 did. Many are just not able to say the truth. Also as far as game scores that is stupid to say this will boost sales because those scores are just this website not the whole gaming world which is what game sales go by.tylergamereview

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This thread is just flamebait thats all i have to say.