EXPLOITED: Nintendo's motion sensors only cost $2.50 to make! The horror!

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]

[QUOTE="t2wave"]Sooo....what about the rest of it?Ironblindfold

I'm glad someone else in this thread is capable of thought.

Thought?

Umm..you do know that you are in SYSTEM WARS, right?

Don't ruin the fun for everybody else.

This statement indicates, that you are yourself incabable of cognisant thought. As such, you entertain delusions by being misguided, and intend to do the same to others in pursuit of making yourself feel better about buying a PS3 which you wish you had the guts to defenestate.

Why do people feel to tell people they're incapable of thought, then go on and speak in non simple english?

With that, I declare this thread boring and worn out...

Jimmy, Lower the emergency Donkey Pinata... Hopefully it will revitialize this thread...

[QUOTE="bloodychimp"][QUOTE="FoamingPanda"][QUOTE="peaceful_anger"][QUOTE="FoamingPanda"]

[QUOTE="peaceful_anger"]I really hope you haters never go into business cause yall sure as **** would go bankrupt. The first thing you ever learn in economics is that you go into to business to make a PROFIT. That is your number one goal. Seriously you haters sound so pathetic. If yall really think the Wii is a ripoff, then I guess you think almost everything you buy is a ripoff. I guarentee you; the price you payed for your HDTVs was a lot more than what it costs to manufacture. I guarentee you; the price you payed for your shoes and clothes was a lot more than what it costs to manufacture them. You do not normally go into business to lose billions of dollars. Do you get the point? FoamingPanda

Haters? I'm a consumer, first and foremost. I like to know a company is busting its butt to offer me the best quality product, at the lowest possible price, while paying the highest possible prices to its employees. The Wii is all about exploiting people to sell an antiquated, inferior, and lame product that relies heavily on worthless franchise tags and the "family friendly" audience to make a dollar.

The Wii is offering the worst hardware on the market, at a ridiculous price, and making a profit off consumers who are wound up in nostalgia, utilizing low standards to judge games, or considering games as little more than a childish plaything. The fact someone could say, "THIS IS NP, LOLOL" disgusts me. It is an example of how deluded, backward, and strange this industry has become. We should all be unified against something as vile, pathetic, and disgusting as price-gouging customers.

Don't buy this garbage.

Stop thinking how this industry wants you to think. Both companies are doing bad things. Acknowledge the flaws of both. MS is almost as bad, although not as dangeous to the future of gaming, as Nintendo is when it comes to ripping off consumers.

Microsoft not dangerous to the future of gaming? So I've been imagining them trying to turn the free world of PC gaming into another market for their microtransactions? I don't like the Wii personally (I'm sad that Nintendo has turned its back on its core fanbase to make crap like Brain Age, Wii Orchestra, and Mario and Sonic at the Olympics) but they aren't "destroying gaming" any more than Microsoft is with thier microtransactions or Sony is by trying to shove a potentially useless video format down your throat.

Actually, I've yet to see Microsoft raise a blade against the functionality and depth of gaming as a format of entertainment itself. Microsoft seems to be content with simply nickle-and-diming customers for features that should remain free. Nintendo is the only company at the moment that is guilty of attempting to cause a regression in the depth of gaming as a form of entertainment and the importance of high-quality hardware.

Last time I checked, paying for something that was free is pretty much a regression. And forcing a drive that hikes up the price on your console and has a slower load time is a regression to. And who says the Wii isn't high quality hardware? The fact that they can pack that much power into that tiny box takes some pretty decent hardware.

[QUOTE="Ironblindfold"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]

[QUOTE="t2wave"]Sooo....what about the rest of it?ssbfalco

I'm glad someone else in this thread is capable of thought.

Thought?

Umm..you do know that you are in SYSTEM WARS, right?

Don't ruin the fun for everybody else.

This statement indicates, that you are yourself incabable of cognisant thought. As such, you entertain delusions by being misguided, and intend to do the same to others in pursuit of making yourself feel better about buying a PS3 which you wish you had the guts to defenestate.

Why do people feel to tell people they're incapable of thought, then go on and speak in non simple english?

With that, I declare this thread boring and worn out...

Jimmy, Lower the emergency Donkey Pinata... Hopefully it will revitialize this thread...

I immediately thought of Viva Pinata. 

[QUOTE="ssbfalco"][QUOTE="Ironblindfold"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]

[QUOTE="t2wave"]Sooo....what about the rest of it?cametall

I'm glad someone else in this thread is capable of thought.

Thought?

Umm..you do know that you are in SYSTEM WARS, right?

Don't ruin the fun for everybody else.

This statement indicates, that you are yourself incabable of cognisant thought. As such, you entertain delusions by being misguided, and intend to do the same to others in pursuit of making yourself feel better about buying a PS3 which you wish you had the guts to defenestate.

Why do people feel to tell people they're incapable of thought, then go on and speak in non simple english?

With that, I declare this thread boring and worn out...

Jimmy, Lower the emergency Donkey Pinata... Hopefully it will revitialize this thread...

I immediately thought of Viva Pinata.

[QUOTE="FoamingPanda"][QUOTE="bloodychimp"][QUOTE="FoamingPanda"][QUOTE="peaceful_anger"][QUOTE="FoamingPanda"]

[QUOTE="peaceful_anger"]I really hope you haters never go into business cause yall sure as **** would go bankrupt. The first thing you ever learn in economics is that you go into to business to make a PROFIT. That is your number one goal. Seriously you haters sound so pathetic. If yall really think the Wii is a ripoff, then I guess you think almost everything you buy is a ripoff. I guarentee you; the price you payed for your HDTVs was a lot more than what it costs to manufacture. I guarentee you; the price you payed for your shoes and clothes was a lot more than what it costs to manufacture them. You do not normally go into business to lose billions of dollars. Do you get the point? bloodychimp

Haters? I'm a consumer, first and foremost. I like to know a company is busting its butt to offer me the best quality product, at the lowest possible price, while paying the highest possible prices to its employees. The Wii is all about exploiting people to sell an antiquated, inferior, and lame product that relies heavily on worthless franchise tags and the "family friendly" audience to make a dollar.

The Wii is offering the worst hardware on the market, at a ridiculous price, and making a profit off consumers who are wound up in nostalgia, utilizing low standards to judge games, or considering games as little more than a childish plaything. The fact someone could say, "THIS IS NP, LOLOL" disgusts me. It is an example of how deluded, backward, and strange this industry has become. We should all be unified against something as vile, pathetic, and disgusting as price-gouging customers.

Don't buy this garbage.

Stop thinking how this industry wants you to think. Both companies are doing bad things. Acknowledge the flaws of both. MS is almost as bad, although not as dangeous to the future of gaming, as Nintendo is when it comes to ripping off consumers.

Microsoft not dangerous to the future of gaming? So I've been imagining them trying to turn the free world of PC gaming into another market for their microtransactions? I don't like the Wii personally (I'm sad that Nintendo has turned its back on its core fanbase to make crap like Brain Age, Wii Orchestra, and Mario and Sonic at the Olympics) but they aren't "destroying gaming" any more than Microsoft is with thier microtransactions or Sony is by trying to shove a potentially useless video format down your throat.

Actually, I've yet to see Microsoft raise a blade against the functionality and depth of gaming as a format of entertainment itself. Microsoft seems to be content with simply nickle-and-diming customers for features that should remain free. Nintendo is the only company at the moment that is guilty of attempting to cause a regression in the depth of gaming as a form of entertainment and the importance of high-quality hardware.

Last time I checked, paying for something that was free is pretty much a regression. And forcing a drive that hikes up the price on your console and has a slower load time is a regression to. And who says the Wii isn't high quality hardware? The fact that they can pack that much power into that tiny box takes some pretty decent hardware.

When someone says quality I think of durability and reliability.  No way a PS3 or 360 controller could take the beating my Wiimote did and still work. 

The same reason i'm glad i didn't buy a wii. They won't be ripping me off.

Zero-G_basic

Yep, only Nintendo rips gamers off.... :roll:

So how much does the whole remote cost to make? I mean it's not like they just sell you the chip... GundamGuy0

No clue, I doubt Nintendo will release how much direct labor and manufacturing overhead cost to make one of these.  All we can do is figure out how much the raw materials cost.  But most people only think about the raw materials...

I like the new Ditech commercials "People are smart."  You know they have never visited system wars. 

So your saying that Nintendo riped you off and left you with a cheap stil thats got the technology of a baby toy? Cool, glad i got a 360. dudy80

You must be a very self concious person, afraid to do anything without approval of your friends.... what a horrible life you lead.

Nintendo profits from the Wii, DS, accessories, software, and of course the biggest profit, the VC. They are so rich, by 2010-2011 they will unleash the real Nintendo console.Kahuna_1

What the heck are you talking about? Nintendo is sitting around counting their money, while their shareholders cackle like lunatics on "double meds tuesday". This is the real console. Do you think they're looking at Sony going "oh man, I wish we had done that?" The Nintendo executives could *care less* about how powerful their system is - they'll be getting bonuses so large this year that they can buy a PS3 for every room in their house if they want some HD-gaming.

Thats seems fair and right.

I used to work for a company that makes really low quality bath and kitchen accessories. The kind you buy at a $1 store. Most of our products cost about 2 - 5 cents to make from the factories in China, and we sold them to stores for about 14 - 22 cents. Those stores then sold them for $1 - $2.

Nintendo doesn't sell the Wiimote for $40.  The store does.  If the store marks up 25% to make their profit then Nintendo is selling their controller for$32.  40/1.25=32. 

 Most stores actually make a lot of money off of buying their extended warranty.

If Nintendo marks up 25% from their production costs then it is costing $25.60 to produce a controller.  Most companies don't run on that high of a margin.

 Production costs include R&D, advertising, manufactoring, parts, shipping, warehousing.  Nintendo is also a Japanese company so you have to take into account the currency exchange rate.  The Yen has been weakening against the dollar so they have to charge a higher US dollar amount to acheive the same YEN income.

 I could go on about economics and business but most of you are just fanboys and don't listen to reason anyways.

I wouldn't exactly call accelerometers "advanced."

I would love to see anyone on here stuff all that technology into the tiny liitle efficient package of the Wiimote.
foxhound_fox

I wouldn't call anything about the Wii "advanced"

I always thought the Wii was overpriced, even at $250.thirstychainsaw

There are a lot of either ignorant or stupid people in this thread. The article clearly states that the accelerometer from ADI cost $2.50 to create (manufacture). That is not what it cost Nintendo to buy and licence the product from ADI. Seriously the so called "adults" in here are the worst offenders with their ignorance.

We also don't know how much it cost Nintendo to manufacture the rest of the Wii remote. The whole sum is what is important. In the electronics world there is a 25-40% markup to the retailer from the manufacture and then the retailer adds a 10-15% markup on that. But I know most of you don't know that since you don't have a business licence and I do.

Enjoy yor stupidity or ignorance. I'm happy knowing the facts. Oh by the way that nice pair of Bvlgari sunglass that your sister paid $650 dollars to wear only cost $20 to make and put into a store.

[QUOTE="dudy80"]So your saying that Nintendo riped you off and left you with a cheap stil thats got the technology of a baby toy? Cool, glad i got a 360. PopeReal

You must be a very self concious person, afraid to do anything without approval of your friends.... what a horrible life you lead.

Not really, just the wiis not my thing. Honestly the baby toy argument was ment as a deeper thought. You no how baby toys use alot of sensors and stuff for movement and sound? Thats where i was coming from. I was in no way saying the wii was for just kids.  

Surprise, surprise a company is trying to make a profit off its consumers. But, damn! 3,400 employees of Nintendo get paid 2.5 million dollars!? I want to work for Nintendo, and it's not because I'm just a fanboy either. majadamus

Where did you pull that number from?  That would be $8.5 billion in salary.  Do you mean 2.5 million Yen? That's only about $21,000 per person or $71.4 million total.

Yeah right, it might cost 20 dollars to make a Wiimote and of course Nintendo is going to make a profit, because they can. Sony can get away with selling a PS1 controller just with modified triggers, wireless bluetooth connectivity and a tilt sensor for 50 bucks. The Wiimote hardware also cost Nintendo a boat load of R&D cash, odds are they spent a lot of money from the Rare deal on purchasing the company who makes the sensors for them as well as the whole testing process of making sure that the final product would work properly.DSgamer64

Good point.  

[QUOTE="t2wave"]Sooo....what about the rest of it?SmashBrosLegend

I'm glad someone else in this thread is capable of thought.

So you think that they aren't selling it for way too much. 60 Bucks for a controller is kinda rough, you have to agree.

And what makes you think any other controller is any different? 

[QUOTE="SER69"][QUOTE="FoamingPanda"]

Haha, this is so wondeful. So many Nintendo fans have become so deluded and desperate to defend a product that has sold them down the river, reversed the natural progression of this industry, and is attempting to butcher to gaming to little more than a childish plaything that they no longer care about the integrity and consumer friendlyness of this industry.

God, I hate this industry. And it's not Nintendo that I hate the most, either.

FoamingPanda

Blah blah blah... I'm an adult who has to worry about things like games staying affordable and remaining competitive with other forms of media... blah blah blah, I'm sick of seeing this sad industry remain in an intellectual torpor, and want to see gaming embraced as a meaningful and respectable form of entertainment...

How will it get there with prohibitive prices? $400US is not by ANY stretch of the imagination a mass market price.

Reality Check, you can't get something for nothing and if the Wii offered 360 level graphics and Nintendo intended to, ya know, stay in business it would have a prohibitive price. Gaming would neither be embraced or respected. I've read through the topic and you've come on one of your typical rants with little relevance to the topic at hand. The remote has plenty of parts in it, $40 is a decent price for the remote...$20 for the nunchuck...TOTALLY different discussion.

Your dream of gaming being embraced and respected sits more in the hands of content not hardware, look at the PS2, but last time I checked the Wii WAS being accepted by the masses and they are liking it. Not because they like what you like but because they like what is being offered, your opinion DOES NOT equal what is right.

[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]

[QUOTE="t2wave"]Sooo....what about the rest of it?Sparky04

I'm glad someone else in this thread is capable of thought.

So you think that they aren't selling it for way too much. 60 Bucks for a controller is kinda rough, you have to agree.

[QUOTE="PopeReal"]

[QUOTE="dudy80"]So your saying that Nintendo riped you off and left you with a cheap stil thats got the technology of a baby toy? Cool, glad i got a 360. dudy80

You must be a very self concious person, afraid to do anything without approval of your friends.... what a horrible life you lead.

Not really, just the wiis not my thing. Honestly the baby toy argument was ment as a deeper thought. You no how baby toys use alot of sensors and stuff for movement and sound? Thats where i was coming from. I was in no way saying the wii was for just kids.  

Oh, my bad I take it back.  I completely read your post wrong sorry.

And yes, the controllers are way too expensive.  But until there are some good 3rd party solutions I don't see what else Wii owners can do.

the wiimote is the cheapest controller this gen if you dont count the nunchuck? whos getting ripped off again?Silenthps

Yeah, Nunchuck is a ripoff though, No way an analog, tilt sensor, and 2 buttons should cost 20 bucks. The Wiimote is ok by me though, I think it is worth 40. It should be 40 + 10 = 50 

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]I wouldn't exactly call accelerometers "advanced."

I would love to see anyone on here stuff all that technology into the tiny liitle efficient package of the Wiimote.
Manchildshafes

I wouldn't call anything about the Wii "advanced"

Its market share is advancing over PS3's:) 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=F5qMUq4G2rk

Fast foward to 3:45

Perrin Kaplan just stated that the Wii-mote is costly to make.

:D TEH LIES!!1 

LOL.

The wiimote has buttons + motion sensing

The ps3 controller has buttons + 'tilt'

The xbox360 has buttons + nothing.

All cost about the same to buy, all cost peanuts to produce. What you think the xbox360 controller costs $50 to produce? :lol: 

/thread

who cares? if it doesn't directly affect you, why does it matter?

ok...............and your $15 audio cds, $20 dvd movies, and $50-$60 game discs cost how much to produce? whats that...a quarter? 50 cents you say? GET OVER IT!!!!!

ok...............and your $15 audio cds, $20 dvd movies, and $50-$60 game discs cost how much to produce? whats that...a quarter? 50 cents you say? GET OVER IT!!!!!

deathmasterk

lol your country pays way too much for stuff. 

Yes, Nintendo are geniuses when it comes to great business models...  Their profit is amazingly high...ssbfalco

The same reason i'm glad i didn't buy a wii. They won't be ripping me off.

Zero-G_basic

Ummm...how much does the xbox or ps controllers costs?  Nearly just as much as the wiimote yet they don't have a speaker, rumble, motion sensing, power off button, sleep mode, the ability to adjust the volume on the wiiremote speakers or turn the rumble off or on in the middle of your game, or the ability to communicate with controller attachments.

It would seem that micro and sony are the ones ripping people off with controllers that basically do the same thing that N64 controllers could do (yes, there were wireless N64 controllers)

no.............!!!!! i will have to go return my WII to get my money back now!!!

WHAT? who cares?

Another reason why ive been holding off on the Wii...Nintendo is hella greedy.O.o No who said they care more about the consumer than money?T_T Dont let Reggie fool you...hes in it for the caaaaash.

[QUOTE="Zero-G_basic"]

The same reason i'm glad i didn't buy a wii. They won't be ripping me off.

LivingMachine

Ummm...how much does the xbox or ps controllers costs?  Nearly just as much as the wiimote yet they don't have a speaker, rumble, motion sensing, power off button, sleep mode, the ability to adjust the volume on the wiiremote speakers or turn the rumble off or on in the middle of your game, or the ability to communicate with controller attachments.

It would seem that micro and sony are the ones ripping people off with controllers that basically do the same thing that N64 controllers could do (yes, there were wireless N64 controllers)

Zero-G_basic

EDIT:I took the adjusting the volume of the Wiimote speaker...as being adjusting the volume of the mic.O.o Well yea the mics an add on,take it how you want to.