Fable 2 Not As Visually Impressive As You'd Expect.

Annoying fat kids can't tell the difference between art direction and realism. Am puke.flclempire

I love Far Cry 2's leaves. It's taken from a video.

Far Cry 2 has a weird art style too.

Fable 2 looks very nice overall, but kinda lacks detail in textures, and the bloom is ridiculous - but I think it fits the atmosphere. It doesn't matter anyway.

And I don't understand what's so great about getting pregnant in the game:)

And don't say nobody plays at those settings, cause it is possible to with SLI or Tri SLI (in fact I think you can play at 1920x1080 with tri sli).

screamingdoom

actually, I play it 1080p at all high settings with one 8800 GTX.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="saolin323"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Fable has character but its certainly a not a very technically strong game.saolin323

Well it is stronger than ANY game bar Crysis, that is enough for me, and is really close to Crysis in most ways, bar the scale of the world

The lighting, saahdows, detail, foliage as every bit as good though

Its major merits is that it has its own art st-yle, personality and character.

So, you know MANY games coming that have:

- shadows from each tree leaf, and a host of 120.000 leaf trees around in thick forests ????

- full grass covered ground, with a 3D shader applied on the soil, and shadows cast on the grass in an amazing Crysis like way

- light beams filtered real time through foliage, like only Crysis does

- fully dynamic day/night changes, with shadows and light beams calculated on the fly as the sun moves, Crysis like

- huge scale with all the above

So ? I can think of Alan Wake and Far Cry 2, that is all there is close, and frankly those games look barren comparing to Fable 2 thick forests

Booerns.

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and you make it sound like Fable is the only game aside from Crysis to do these things :|
Jesus even Stalker trounces its 'technical proficiency'

[QUOTE="saolin323"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="saolin323"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Fable has character but its certainly a not a very technically strong game.skrat_01

Well it is stronger than ANY game bar Crysis, that is enough for me, and is really close to Crysis in most ways, bar the scale of the world

The lighting, saahdows, detail, foliage as every bit as good though

Its major merits is that it has its own art st-yle, personality and character.

So, you know MANY games coming that have:

- shadows from each tree leaf, and a host of 120.000 leaf trees around in thick forests ????

- full grass covered ground, with a 3D shader applied on the soil, and shadows cast on the grass in an amazing Crysis like way

- light beams filtered real time through foliage, like only Crysis does

- fully dynamic day/night changes, with shadows and light beams calculated on the fly as the sun moves, Crysis like

- huge scale with all the above

So ? I can think of Alan Wake and Far Cry 2, that is all there is close, and frankly those games look barren comparing to Fable 2 thick forests

Booerns.

but then we go to OPINION, so IMO these graphics are by TRILLION OF MILES the best i have ever seen, that forest makes every other i have seen look like a bad joke, it is THAT sweet looking to me

but then we go to OPINION, so IMO these graphics are by TRILLION OF MILES the best i have ever seen, that forest makes every other i have seen look like a bad joke, it is THAT sweet looking to me

saolin323

Glad you can express your own opinion.

You should mount a feather in your cap.

[QUOTE="screamingdoom"]

And don't say nobody plays at those settings, cause it is possible to with SLI or Tri SLI (in fact I think you can play at 1920x1080 with tri sli).

Hewkii

actually, I play it 1080p at all high settings with one 8800 GTX.

I love Far Cry 2's leaves. It's taken from a video.

Far Cry 2 has a weird art style too.

Fable 2 looks very nice overall, but kinda lacks detail in textures, and the bloom is ridiculous - but I think it fits the atmosphere. It doesn't matter anyway.

And I don't understand what's so great about getting pregnant in the game:)

Baranga

Far Cry 2 textures do seem a bit more detailed, but not much, the tree textures in Fable 2 are top of the top, look the detail in brances, the ground is great, same for rocks too

The graphics are, once again, too cartoony and pretty unnatural for a game that will most likely recieve a "mature" rating. It's more like a touched-up WoW than a visual masterpiece.Killer_Wuggles

World of Warcrafts artstyle is more impressive than Fable 2s.

Technically inferior yes, but that looks 10x better than any character on Fable 2, or most other games for that matter.

For those that care, that is a Female Blood Elf Rogue with the 2 "Warglaives of Azzinoth" ( Illidan Stormrages's legendary weapons )

but then we go to OPINION, so IMO these graphics are by TRILLION OF MILES the best i have ever seen, that forest makes every other i have seen look like a bad joke, it is THAT sweet looking to me

saolin323

So this is your opinion, while the objective fact is that it looks a lot worse than both FC2 and Crysis

DOn't worry, I can do the opinion thing also

IMO this screen shows graphics thousand times better than Fable2 has, it makes Fabl2 look like a bad joke

:D

But your pics DOES NOT have the Crysis like lighting system or the great shaders of Fable 2, right ? Or the vast detail in grass/trees etc

Anyway, i had a good laugh with you, do not stop

But your pics DOES NOT have the Crysis like lighting system or the great shaders of Fable 2, right ? Or the vast detail in grass/trees etc

saolin323

Yeah...claiming Fable2 looks as good as Crysis is like claiming UltimaIX looks as good as Fable2

But your pics DOES NOT have the Crysis like lighting system or the great shaders of Fable 2, right ? Or the vast detail in grass/trees etc

Anyway, i had a good laugh with you, do not stop

saolin323

Sorry, but The Neverhood owns Fable 2 in every possible way.

Look at the incredibly realistic shadows cast by all the clay objects, and look at the detail in the realistic clay textures! And those soft shadows in the back of the room... Amazing. Note how the bridge casts two shadows because of seperate light sources? Amazing.

Once again, look at the details on all the buildings! They look like real buildings (made of clay, but still). And the reflections in the ****thing to the side... Amazing! Better than Crysis!

Sorry, dude, but you're just owned in every possible way by this game.

[QUOTE="flclempire"]Annoying fat kids can't tell the difference between art direction and realism. Am puke.saolin323

That's ironic, because you're the one screaming about how Fable 2's trees will have over 200 leaves or whatever, and how the graphics are better than real life. You're even saying that the AI (which repeats dialogue like a broken record player) is like a real human being. :roll:

Ahh, hypocrisy...

[QUOTE="Killer_Wuggles"]The graphics are, once again, too cartoony and pretty unnatural for a game that will most likely recieve a "mature" rating. It's more like a touched-up WoW than a visual masterpiece.Meu2k7

World of Warcrafts artstyle is more impressive than Fable 2s.

Technically inferior yes, but that looks 10x better than any character on Fable 2, or most other games for that matter.

For those that care, that is a Female Blood Elf Rogue with the 2 "Warglaives of Azzinoth" ( Illidan Stormrages's legendary weapons )

Hot DAMN those things are sexy. It must have taken quite a while to get those killer tomato cutters.

And you're right, even games like WoW have better artistic direction. Fable 2 just has really ugly characters, even uglier than Shadowrun, I'd say.

Just so Saolin has something GOOD to look at:

(Crysis's Water Effects alone top Fable 2's graphics :lol: )

Happy now, Saolin? You've just been pwned.

Sorry, but The Neverhood owns Fable 2 in every possible way.MetroidPrimePwn

I think it look a lot like WoW:|-Sniper99-

Exactly. How can it really be a contender with games like Crysis when the game is full of jaggies, bad textures, and ugly character design?

[QUOTE="-Sniper99-"]I think it look a lot like WoW:|Killer_Wuggles

Exactly. How can it really be a contender with games like Crysis when the game is full of jaggies, bad textures, and ugly character design?

[QUOTE="Killer_Wuggles"]

[QUOTE="-Sniper99-"]I think it look a lot like WoW:|AdrianWerner

Exactly. How can it really be a contender with games like Crysis when the game is full of jaggies, bad textures, and ugly character design?

Oh my sweet Jesus.. Denial engaged.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="Killer_Wuggles"]

[QUOTE="-Sniper99-"]I think it look a lot like WoW:|Antikyth3ra

Exactly. How can it really be a contender with games like Crysis when the game is full of jaggies, bad textures, and ugly character design?

Oh my sweet Jesus.. Denial engaged.

How so? Despite limited tech WoW was preety to look at in 2004, while with Fable2 there are elements that are simply ugly in their designs, especialy the characters look like crap.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="Killer_Wuggles"]

[QUOTE="-Sniper99-"]I think it look a lot like WoW:|Antikyth3ra

Exactly. How can it really be a contender with games like Crysis when the game is full of jaggies, bad textures, and ugly character design?

Oh my sweet Jesus.. Denial engaged.

Haha your the one in denial, WoW's art style is amazing and defintly better than Fable 2s.

or this garbage:

The reason why I find many Wii and PC games (custom settings FTW!) far more visually pleasing:

And people say jaggies make their eyes bleed. Pfft.

Lol take late game tier armor and compare it to a Screen of Fable where the Main Character fights a bum in an alley. I love this comparison. Antikyth3ra

Take into account, 4 years age difference in games.

Look at what was offered in Fable 1 ..... you can peice it together easily enough.

Look like saolin323 came to this thread. Seriously, Fable 2 look nice but Crysis kills it in graphics in terms of technically. And it kinda hard to compare them anyway, since Fable 2's graphics are aiming mostly at cartoon type style.

Fable had great art.

AMAZING!!!!

I love WoW but you can't compare these games graphically. WoW has SOME art direction but very little due to it being an MMO lots of huge open dull areas due to large amounts of people. Models are not that great and end game armor does look good but it isn't jaw dropping.

love WoW but you can't compare these games graphically. WoW has SOME art direction but very little due to it being an MMO lots of huge open dull areas due to large amounts of people. Models are not that great and end game armor does look good but it isn't jaw dropping.Antikyth3ra

Fable 2 has been getting enormous hype on this board (mainly from individuals rather than a paticular type of fanboy, but I digress), not only for its gameplay but for its visuals as well. However, these aren't as good as certain people would like you to think.

The following images are taken from the official Fable 2 website (http://www.lionhead.com/fable2/screenshots.html) and are the latest images available.



Note the poor quality textures of the clothes and flags on the bridge. The swords look as if they are made of leather and many of the metal objects such as the guns have ridiculous amounts of bloom. The trees and leaves seem very cartoony and plastic.The planks of wood that make up the bridge lack any detail of any kind, meaning this detail we've been told about isn't present so far. Even the grass textures are dissapointing, the dirt simply melds straight into it like an ugly PS2 game.

Granted, this could simply be a bad image, so let's move on...

Once again, notice the lack of any detail in the character's skin and clothes as well as the unnecessary bloom on the man's shirt. The grass tufts with blue flowers in the middle of the picture are very flat and 2D looking. The hut once again lacks any grainy wood textures, making it seem very cartoony and plastic like the trees in the previous image. And again, we can notice many 'jaggies' in the picture.

"Buh...buh...but you only showed two pictures :cry:"

Damage control? Sure, let's see another.


Here we have a prime example of ugly, lazy texture work. The bushes in the bottom left corner are completely undetailed and could be from a Gamecube game. The barrels lack any wood textures and are simply a brown colour - still lacking the detail promised. Hobbes' clothes are flat textures and have no cloth detail. The grass and dirt once again melds into each other and look very last-gen. If we study the image as a whole we can see the over-usage of bloom throughout.

It's certainly not the worst looking game ever made, but it certainly doesn't live up to the hype so far. With claims that it looks better than Crysis, and boasts of "120,000 leaves per tree" the game is dissapointing. Here's hoping they put far more work into it and it ends up looking like this, like the hype expects.

Taalon

well...talking about poor textures...

I claim France for the glory of the Reich.

And I wish I had a rig to run Crysis that good, I mean..mine can do it. Just..it..doesn't move. Ever. 0.67FPS :D

thrones

Mine can run it medium with 5 - 10 frames, but turn shaders off and bang, it looks like half life two and runs at 10 - 20 depending on the shadows. Not worth it though, playing it on full is something I aspire to do.

[QUOTE="Antikyth3ra"] love WoW but you can't compare these games graphically. WoW has SOME art direction but very little due to it being an MMO lots of huge open dull areas due to large amounts of people. Models are not that great and end game armor does look good but it isn't jaw dropping.Vandalvideo

1. Im comparing WoW to fable 1 which came out BEFORE World Of Warcraft.

2. Diablo 2 was good back then it can't hold a feather to a game today.

3. Blizzard is great with gameplay. Visuals have never been a strong point. Great with cinematics tho.

Fable 2 has been getting enormous hype on this board (mainly from individuals rather than a paticular type of fanboy, but I digress), not only for its gameplay but for its visuals as well. However, these aren't as good as certain people would like you to think.

The following images are taken from the official Fable 2 website (http://www.lionhead.com/fable2/screenshots.html) and are the latest images available.



Note the poor quality textures of the clothes and flags on the bridge. The swords look as if they are made of leather and many of the metal objects such as the guns have ridiculous amounts of bloom. The trees and leaves seem very cartoony and plastic.The planks of wood that make up the bridge lack any detail of any kind, meaning this detail we've been told about isn't present so far. Even the grass textures are dissapointing, the dirt simply melds straight into it like an ugly PS2 game.

Granted, this could simply be a bad image, so let's move on...

Once again, notice the lack of any detail in the character's skin and clothes as well as the unnecessary bloom on the man's shirt. The grass tufts with blue flowers in the middle of the picture are very flat and 2D looking. The hut once again lacks any grainy wood textures, making it seem very cartoony and plastic like the trees in the previous image. And again, we can notice many 'jaggies' in the picture.

"Buh...buh...but you only showed two pictures :cry:"

Damage control? Sure, let's see another.


Here we have a prime example of ugly, lazy texture work. The bushes in the bottom left corner are completely undetailed and could be from a Gamecube game. The barrels lack any wood textures and are simply a brown colour - still lacking the detail promised. Hobbes' clothes are flat textures and have no cloth detail. The grass and dirt once again melds into each other and look very last-gen. If we study the image as a whole we can see the over-usage of bloom throughout.

It's certainly not the worst looking game ever made, but it certainly doesn't live up to the hype so far. With claims that it looks better than Crysis, and boasts of "120,000 leaves per tree" the game is dissapointing. Here's hoping they put far more work into it and it ends up looking like this, like the hype expects.

Taalon

I think that he's aware of it.

IF you take a trip over to Gametrailers and watch the HD vids.. Fable looks pretty Damn good. It won't be winning any awards but it looks a lot "smoother" than a lot of the titles I've seen this gen. Hey, as long as it looks impressive and has a Rock solid framerate, I'm good. OhSnapitz

this guys right, these screens dont do the videos justice, so everybody complaining about the screens, go watch the gametrailers videos. Also, most people who are bashing fable 2s graphics are people who never owned or played fable. They just think that because of all the hype and letdown, that the game must have been crap but despite the shortcomings, fable was a fun game with its own art and charm that these bashers never experienced.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]IF you take a trip over to Gametrailers and watch the HD vids.. Fable looks pretty Damn good. It won't be winning any awards but it looks a lot "smoother" than a lot of the titles I've seen this gen. Hey, as long as it looks impressive and has a Rock solid framerate, I'm good. p00nster

this guys right, these screens dont do the videos justice, so everybody complaining about the screens, go watch the gametrailers videos. Also, most people who are bashing fable 2s graphics are people who never owned or played fable. They just think that because of all the hype and letdown, that the game must have been crap but despite the shortcomings, fable was a fun game with its own art and charm that these bashers never experienced.

Or we did and thought it was average, as my Xfire clearly shows that I have ...

[QUOTE="p00nster"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]IF you take a trip over to Gametrailers and watch the HD vids.. Fable looks pretty Damn good. It won't be winning any awards but it looks a lot "smoother" than a lot of the titles I've seen this gen. Hey, as long as it looks impressive and has a Rock solid framerate, I'm good. Meu2k7

this guys right, these screens dont do the videos justice, so everybody complaining about the screens, go watch the gametrailers videos. Also, most people who are bashing fable 2s graphics are people who never owned or played fable. They just think that because of all the hype and letdown, that the game must have been crap but despite the shortcomings, fable was a fun game with its own art and charm that these bashers never experienced.

Or we did and thought it was average, as my Xfire clearly shows that I have ...

Somehow that statement doesn't hold alot of water.. *looks at sig*

[QUOTE="p00nster"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]IF you take a trip over to Gametrailers and watch the HD vids.. Fable looks pretty Damn good. It won't be winning any awards but it looks a lot "smoother" than a lot of the titles I've seen this gen. Hey, as long as it looks impressive and has a Rock solid framerate, I'm good. Meu2k7

this guys right, these screens dont do the videos justice, so everybody complaining about the screens, go watch the gametrailers videos. Also, most people who are bashing fable 2s graphics are people who never owned or played fable. They just think that because of all the hype and letdown, that the game must have been crap but despite the shortcomings, fable was a fun game with its own art and charm that these bashers never experienced.

Or we did and thought it was average, as my Xfire clearly shows that I have ...

well clearly the game was not just average with almost all its reviews being AAA or AA and even if it was, peter molyneux has learned from his mistakes. I mean look at the apology he had to make. I am sure that he wouldnt want that again and this time he wont ship a game that doesnt live up to what he has said

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Antikyth3ra"] love WoW but you can't compare these games graphically. WoW has SOME art direction but very little due to it being an MMO lots of huge open dull areas due to large amounts of people. Models are not that great and end game armor does look good but it isn't jaw dropping.Antikyth3ra

1. Im comparing WoW to fable 1 which came out BEFORE World Of Warcraft.

2. Diablo 2 was good back then it can't hold a feather to a game today.

3. Blizzard is great with gameplay. Visuals have never been a strong point. Great with cinematics tho.

1. Fable 1 came out in the same year as WoW. There's like a one-month gap between the two games.

2. Diablo 2 is an amazing game and still plays better than many RPGs, including Fable 1.

3. So I guess Starcraft 2 looks like total crap, huh? WoW is a game that looks beautiful artistically and has better art direction than Fable 2.

just to clear things up, for those who keep bashing the graphics through the screens, watch this vid and then u can talk

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/30973.html

[QUOTE="Antikyth3ra"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Antikyth3ra"] love WoW but you can't compare these games graphically. WoW has SOME art direction but very little due to it being an MMO lots of huge open dull areas due to large amounts of people. Models are not that great and end game armor does look good but it isn't jaw dropping.Killer_Wuggles

1. Im comparing WoW to fable 1 which came out BEFORE World Of Warcraft.

2. Diablo 2 was good back then it can't hold a feather to a game today.

3. Blizzard is great with gameplay. Visuals have never been a strong point. Great with cinematics tho.

1. Fable 1 came out in the same year as WoW. There's like a one-month gap between the two games.

2. Diablo 2 is an amazing game and still plays better than many RPGs, including Fable 1.

3. So I guess Starcraft 2 looks like total crap, huh? WoW is a game that looks beautiful artistically and has better art direction than Fable 2.

This thread is all about Visuals. Fable 1 looks better then WoW and came out at the "same time". Diablo 2 does not translate well to present time (Hellgate London). Fable has great artistic feel. It is much like Tim Burton meets Shrek. You can not deny either of those of having great art.