Face it, the PC is the real winner here

Every day I see a new console person want to get a gaming rig. The fact of the matter is being on Xbox live feels like if I was sitting in a cubicle. Sure you can play online but that's about it. Plus you can't browse any servers which sucks. You're limited to what you can do and you're also paying for it. Ouch, isn't paying for broadband enough? I guess not for Micro$oft.

Don't even get me started on the Wii. I sold my thing after two weeks. There's really nothing there that is challenging. Hell that is really my point.

Haha Playstation 3, by 2010 there won't be any more in the making I bet. At least the online is free though. That I gotta give up to Sony, free online. If only Nintendo would stop being so hard headed and catch on.

Just to conclude my point, consoles are far too easy for those that want a real challenge. Zelda: Twilight Princess was a yawn fest. Gears of War, was rofl short and easy. The only real challenge was on Insane and even then two parts at the last level. It was fun for a bit though i'll give it that, but waay too short.

The real winner here is the PC. Sure we might have the games being pirated, and people afraid to try it out. But hey, it's for those that seek a challenge. A challenge in learning and building your own rig. No console will ever fully do what a PC does. That is why I hereby declare the PC winner of the next gen system wars.

p.s.

Quad and Eigth cores are incoming. Cell what? :D

cant argue with the facts.coolmonkeykid

You're right. Too bad there's none here. Winner is determin by sales. Always had and always will. PC has been dead last for decades now. The definion of a failure? When your best just isn't good enough.

PC gaming has the best features in every aspect. The problem comes when you have to go out and get the latest and greatest invideo cards and processors and everything else... it comes with a high price.

PC gaming is slowly turning in to a niche market (a prosses thats getting faster every day). I dont think it will die completely but it wont be that house of big games anymore but there will be stuff anyway.

Big games are being made for consoles now and thats a bit of a shame for those that understand that every console out there wishes to be a PC some day.

As long as I can afford it I will be a PC gamer. There is no way in hell Im going to miss out on Blizzards next game NO WAY.

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]cant argue with the facts.Socrates88

You're right. Too bad there's none here. Winner is determin by sales. Always had and always will. PC has been dead last for decades now. The definion of a failure? When your best just isn't good enough.

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]cant argue with the facts.Socrates88

You're right. Too bad there's none here. Winner is determin by sales. Always had and always will. PC has been dead last for decades now. The definion of a failure? When your best just isn't good enough.

How many actual PCs are out in the market right now? Many, many times more than the PS2, I bet. If this war was determined by hardware sales, the PC simply cannot be touched.

Then it comes to software, keep in mind that the PC gaming market is insanely big in markets like China, Korea and Russia while still selling decently in other countries. Hell, name me a console game that's doing what WoW is doing for the PC gaming market.

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]cant argue with the facts.Socrates88

You're right. Too bad there's none here. Winner is determin by sales. Always had and always will. PC has been dead last for decades now. The definion of a failure? When your best just isn't good enough.

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[QUOTE="Socrates88"]

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]cant argue with the facts.TrailorParkBoy

You're right. Too bad there's none here. Winner is determin by sales. Always had and always will. PC has been dead last for decades now. The definion of a failure? When your best just isn't good enough.

Because you think Pirates "blows chunk" that's a fact?

PC can't win or lose. It's not part of the console race.16bitkevin

This has everything to do with gaming and that includes consoles, and the PC is alive and kicking ass.

PC gaming is last place, lets face reality here folks. Not even Crysis or SC2 wil help it. Gnr_Helsing

Must be why there are more people subscribing to WoW then there are owners of an X360, PS3, or Wii?:lol:

Anyways, since when do sales matter? I could care less. Unless you guys get a portion of the companies profit, you shouldn't either. You should care about what system gets the most quality games.The PC market has always been niche. Most games aren't made for the mainstream, which is why I like it. We get the most quality titles every year. We already have 3 AAA's this year, and plenty of good AA's like STALKER and Supreme Commander (a game that I will be playing for years to come). Console games just don't have the kind of depth. The longest I've ever played a console game regularly was around 2 months. I play PC games for years and years. We get new maps, mods, and extra content added all the time, which just adds to the depth of games.

[QUOTE="TrailorParkBoy"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]cant argue with the facts.Socrates88

You're right. Too bad there's none here. Winner is determin by sales. Always had and always will. PC has been dead last for decades now. The definion of a failure? When your best just isn't good enough.

Because you think Pirates "blows chunk" that's a fact?

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]cant argue with the facts.Socrates88

You're right. Too bad there's none here. Winner is determin by sales. Always had and always will. PC has been dead last for decades now. The definion of a failure? When your best just isn't good enough.

there are over 13 million steam accounts and over 10 million WoW accounts. That is more than the 360 ps3 and wii. Not to mention blizz and valve games are way better than any console game.

it is fact? http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/pirates_of_the_caribbean_3/TrailorParkBoy

Maybe you need to learn the true meaning of a fact. It will end this discussion quickly.

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]cant argue with the facts.coolmonkeykid

You're right. Too bad there's none here. Winner is determin by sales. Always had and always will. PC has been dead last for decades now. The definion of a failure? When your best just isn't good enough.

there are over 13 million steam accounts and over 10 million WoW accounts. That is more than the 360 ps3 and wii. Not to mention blizz and valve games are way better than any console game.

How long steam and WOW been out? How long the 360 and PS3 been out? I rest my case.

I have both a 360 and gaming PC..my PC has better graphics, games, mods, and performance than my 360. My pc was cheaper considering u need an HD tv to play consoles (or else the graphics are crap)coolmonkeykid

and once you buy games for it and pay for the online, it is actually more expensive

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]cant argue with the facts.Socrates88

You're right. Too bad there's none here. Winner is determin by sales. Always had and always will. PC has been dead last for decades now. The definion of a failure? When your best just isn't good enough.

there are over 13 million steam accounts and over 10 million WoW accounts. That is more than the 360 ps3 and wii. Not to mention blizz and valve games are way better than any console game.

How long steam and WOW been out? How long the 360 and PS3 been out? I rest my case.

u have a point, but the games are still better and that is what matters.

PC gaming fails at life....................................miserably. XenoNinja

miserably=getting the most quality titles, right?

u have a point, but the games are still better and that is what matters.

coolmonkeykid

I will not pass subjective opions as facts. It is a fact that Console sells more than PC gaming. I can define that Console is better than PC sales wise. So, if someone tells me which one is better? I will give them actual proof that Console is better than PC.

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]cant argue with the facts.Socrates88

You're right. Too bad there's none here. Winner is determin by sales. Always had and always will. PC has been dead last for decades now. The definion of a failure? When your best just isn't good enough.

there are over 13 million steam accounts and over 10 million WoW accounts. That is more than the 360 ps3 and wii. Not to mention blizz and valve games are way better than any console game.

How long steam and WOW been out? How long the 360 and PS3 been out? I rest my case.

Still doesn't change the fact that it's clear proof that the PC is far from death. Lets pretend that hardware sales are out the way (Because the PC wins that department) and only money earned from software mattered. Steam and WoW is pretty much doing more than what Halo 2 did when it was released on thr Xbox. Hell, WoW alone crushed Halo 2's efforts and continues to do so. This is even discounting other games released for the PC such as the Battlefield games, Age of Empires 3, Guild Wars and more.

Dead last? I think not.

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]cant argue with the facts.Socrates88

You're right. Too bad there's none here. Winner is determin by sales. Always had and always will. PC has been dead last for decades now. The definion of a failure? When your best just isn't good enough.

there are over 13 million steam accounts and over 10 million WoW accounts. That is more than the 360 ps3 and wii. Not to mention blizz and valve games are way better than any console game.

How long steam and WOW been out? How long the 360 and PS3 been out? I rest my case.

u have a point, but the games are still better and that is what matters.

I will not pass subjective opions as facts. It is a fact that Console sells more than PC gaming. I can define that Console is better than PC sales wise. So, if someone tells me which one is better? I will give them actual proof that Console is better than PC.

And sales matter..........why?

[QUOTE="TrailorParkBoy"] it is fact? http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/pirates_of_the_caribbean_3/Socrates88

Maybe you need to learn the true meaning of a fact. It will end this discussion quickly.

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]

How long steam and WOW been out? How long the 360 and PS3 been out? I rest my case.

Redmoonxl2

Still doesn't change the fact that it's clear proof that the PC is far from death. Lets pretend that hardware sales are out the way (Because the PC wins that department) and only money earned from software mattered. Steam and WoW is pretty much doing more than what Halo 2 did when it was released on thr Xbox. Hell, WoW alone crushed Halo 2's efforts and continues to do so. This is even discounting other games released for the PC such as the Battlefield games, Age of Empires 3, Guild Wars and more.

Dead last? I think not.

Never said PC gaming is dead in this thread...

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

How long steam and WOW been out? How long the 360 and PS3 been out? I rest my case.

Socrates88

Still doesn't change the fact that it's clear proof that the PC is far from death. Lets pretend that hardware sales are out the way (Because the PC wins that department) and only money earned from software mattered. Steam and WoW is pretty much doing more than what Halo 2 did when it was released on thr Xbox. Hell, WoW alone crushed Halo 2's efforts and continues to do so. This is even discounting other games released for the PC such as the Battlefield games, Age of Empires 3, Guild Wars and more.

Dead last? I think not.

Never said PC gaming is dead in this thread...

I never said you did say it was dead. However, you did say it was dead last. Also, the tone of your inital post implies that the PC might as well be close to death since the PC will never be able to escape that "dead last" position. Pity you were wrong in that aspect, eh?

And sales matter..........why?

trix5817

Great question. It's the only fact that can not be argue. Quality is all personal. We would be arguing from here to B.F.E. about what's great and what's not. Like the guy said, "You can't argue with facts". You think PC games are better. I think console games are better. Your opinion does not override mines neither does mines over yours.

[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

How long steam and WOW been out? How long the 360 and PS3 been out? I rest my case.

Redmoonxl2

Still doesn't change the fact that it's clear proof that the PC is far from death. Lets pretend that hardware sales are out the way (Because the PC wins that department) and only money earned from software mattered. Steam and WoW is pretty much doing more than what Halo 2 did when it was released on thr Xbox. Hell, WoW alone crushed Halo 2's efforts and continues to do so. This is even discounting other games released for the PC such as the Battlefield games, Age of Empires 3, Guild Wars and more.

Dead last? I think not.

Never said PC gaming is dead in this thread...

I never said you did say it was dead. However, you did say it was dead last. Also, the tone of your inital post implies that the PC might as well be close to death since the PC will never be able to escape that "dead last" position. Pity you were wrong in that aspect, eh?

So what's the point? I don't argue about something that's not revlent to the topic. He said PC is the winner. I was telling him the winner is determine by sales which PC has never won. Sure, we all want to change the rules when you keep failing. That is what the TC is trying to convince us."Let's play soccer with our hands".

[QUOTE="trix5817"]

And sales matter..........why?

Socrates88

Great question. It's the only fact that can not be argue. Quality is all personal. We would be arguing from here to B.F.E. about what's great and what's not. Like the guy said, "You can't argue with facts". You think PC games are better. I think console games are better. Your opinion does not override mines neither does mines over yours.

Here on SW, we usually go by AAA/AA/A games, which PC gets the most of.......

But yeah, it's all opinion of course, but professional a opinion at that, which is the best thing we have. Sales mean absolutley NOTHING to me. Sales don't make games any better, they don't make hardware better, and they don't do anything.

[QUOTE="trix5817"]

And sales matter..........why?

Socrates88

Great question. It's the only fact that can not be argue. Quality is all personal. We would be arguing from here to B.F.E. about what's great and what's not. Like the guy said, "You can't argue with facts". You think PC games are better. I think console games are better. Your opinion does not override mines neither does mines over yours.

[QUOTE="trix5817"]

And sales matter..........why?

Socrates88

Great question. It's the only fact that can not be argue. Quality is all personal. We would be arguing from here to B.F.E. about what's great and what's not. Like the guy said, "You can't argue with facts". You think PC games are better. I think console games are better. Your opinion does not override mines neither does mines over yours.

Have you ever played a PC game on a gaming PC in your life?

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

How long steam and WOW been out? How long the 360 and PS3 been out? I rest my case.

Socrates88

Still doesn't change the fact that it's clear proof that the PC is far from death. Lets pretend that hardware sales are out the way (Because the PC wins that department) and only money earned from software mattered. Steam and WoW is pretty much doing more than what Halo 2 did when it was released on thr Xbox. Hell, WoW alone crushed Halo 2's efforts and continues to do so. This is even discounting other games released for the PC such as the Battlefield games, Age of Empires 3, Guild Wars and more.

Dead last? I think not.

Never said PC gaming is dead in this thread...

I never said you did say it was dead. However, you did say it was dead last. Also, the tone of your inital post implies that the PC might as well be close to death since the PC will never be able to escape that "dead last" position. Pity you were wrong in that aspect, eh?

So what's the point? I don't argue about something that's not revlent to the topic. He said PC is the winner. I was telling him the winner is determine by sales which PC has never won. Sure, we all want to change the rules when you keep failing. That is what the TC is trying to convince us."Let's play soccer with our hands".

You can say "it's dead last" all you want. I could honestly care less (even though this could indeed be argued). A Porshe sells MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH less than say, a Toyota Camry, yet which is better?

PC is crap. Quited PC gaming one year ago - no any good games. Switched to X360 - happy.

[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

And sales matter..........why?

coolmonkeykid

Great question. It's the only fact that can not be argue. Quality is all personal. We would be arguing from here to B.F.E. about what's great and what's not. Like the guy said, "You can't argue with facts". You think PC games are better. I think console games are better. Your opinion does not override mines neither does mines over yours.

Have you ever played a PC game on a gaming PC in your life?

Starcraft, Counterstrike, Comman and Conquer, and Sim City 4. I love each one.

[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

And sales matter..........why?

TrailorParkBoy

Great question. It's the only fact that can not be argue. Quality is all personal. We would be arguing from here to B.F.E. about what's great and what's not. Like the guy said, "You can't argue with facts". You think PC games are better. I think console games are better. Your opinion does not override mines neither does mines over yours.

Gamespot rules are about as important as a fifth wheel on a car.

So what's the point? I don't argue about something that's not revlent to the topic. He said PC is the winner. I was telling him the winner is determine by sales which PC has never won. Sure, we all want to change the rules when you keep failing. That is what the TC is trying to convince us."Let's play soccer with our hands".

Socrates88

And what sales do you speak of? Truth be told, the hardware sales of the PC outshine every single console ever made. When it comes to software sales, I already pointed to games like WoW that are bringing an insane amount of money flow. Also, keep in mind they have yet to take into account digital distribution, which is becoming bigger by the day?

While I wouldn't say that the TC is speaking the truth as he's stating an opinion, I wouldn't say that the PC is "dead last" like you have.

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

And sales matter..........why?

Socrates88

Great question. It's the only fact that can not be argue. Quality is all personal. We would be arguing from here to B.F.E. about what's great and what's not. Like the guy said, "You can't argue with facts". You think PC games are better. I think console games are better. Your opinion does not override mines neither does mines over yours.

Have you ever played a PC game on a gaming PC in your life?

Starcraft, Counterstrike, Comman and Conquer, and Sim City 4. I love each one.

wasnt the answer i was expecting.

PC is crap. Quited PC gaming one year ago - no any good games. Switched to X360 - happy.

dimar19

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]

So what's the point? I don't argue about something that's not revlent to the topic. He said PC is the winner. I was telling him the winner is determine by sales which PC has never won. Sure, we all want to change the rules when you keep failing. That is what the TC is trying to convince us."Let's play soccer with our hands".

Redmoonxl2

And what sales do you speak of? Truth be told, the hardware sales of the PC outshine every single console ever made. When it comes to software sales, I already pointed to games like WoW that are bringing an insane amount of money flow. Also, keep in mind they have yet to take into account digital distribution, which is becoming bigger by the day?

While I wouldn't say that the TC is speaking the truth as he's stating an opinion, I wouldn't say that the PC is "dead last" like you have.

delusuional. PC sales great, but PC games don't even compare to console. To even say PC software is on the level of console software has just shown me your lack of knowledge in the area. WOW sold 10 million? I can name you 15-20 console games that has sold more. System Wars didn't start when Gamespot was created. I was a little kid defending the NES from Turbo Graphix 16 and Sega fanboys. Sales determine the winner back then, and will continue to do so.

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]

Starcraft, Counterstrike, Comman and Conquer, and Sim City 4. I love each one.

coolmonkeykid

wasnt the answer i was expecting.

what were you looking for?

While the PC is the 800lbs gorilla of gaming, you can't really compare it to consoles without a solid definition of PC gaming. Is a 40 something housewifeplaying flashgames and givingnothing to the industrythe equivalent of a guy here who may have spent over $2000 on his rig and buys every game out there? What about PC sales, do you count someone who buys a laptop that can do some gaming but will only use it for word processing and spreadsheets or someone who buys a monster $5000 rig for movie editing or programming as a "sale"? I'm not arguing the merits of PC gaming, just that comparing them to consoles isn't really fair. Its like comparing motorcycles to cars, sure they are technically similar, but in reality they are very different products.pundog

delusuional. PC sales great, but PC games don't even compare to console. To even say PC software is on the level of console software has just shown me your lack of knowledge in the area. WOW sold 10 million? I can name you 15-20 console games that has sold more. System Wars didn't start when Gamespot was created. I was a little kid defending the NES from Turbo Graphix 16 and Sega fanboys. Sales determine the winner back then, and will continue to do so.

Socrates88

While you do that, let me know if those games are bringing in over $150 million every month.

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]

So what's the point? I don't argue about something that's not revlent to the topic. He said PC is the winner. I was telling him the winner is determine by sales which PC has never won. Sure, we all want to change the rules when you keep failing. That is what the TC is trying to convince us."Let's play soccer with our hands".

Socrates88

And what sales do you speak of? Truth be told, the hardware sales of the PC outshine every single console ever made. When it comes to software sales, I already pointed to games like WoW that are bringing an insane amount of money flow. Also, keep in mind they have yet to take into account digital distribution, which is becoming bigger by the day?

While I wouldn't say that the TC is speaking the truth as he's stating an opinion, I wouldn't say that the PC is "dead last" like you have.

delusuional. PC sales great, but PC games don't even compare to console. To even say PC software is on the level of console software has just shown me your lack of knowledge in the area. WOW sold 10 million? I can name you 15-20 console games that has sold more. System Wars didn't start when Gamespot was created. I was a little kid defending the NES from Turbo Graphix 16 and Sega fanboys. Sales determine the winner back then, and will continue to do so.

Your argument falls flat on its face when you realize the handful of games that has surpassed the sales of WoW has pretty much only been Nintendo.

You are basically claiming Sony and MS's consoles are doign worse off than PC gaming.

[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]

So what's the point? I don't argue about something that's not revlent to the topic. He said PC is the winner. I was telling him the winner is determine by sales which PC has never won. Sure, we all want to change the rules when you keep failing. That is what the TC is trying to convince us."Let's play soccer with our hands".

XaosII

And what sales do you speak of? Truth be told, the hardware sales of the PC outshine every single console ever made. When it comes to software sales, I already pointed to games like WoW that are bringing an insane amount of money flow. Also, keep in mind they have yet to take into account digital distribution, which is becoming bigger by the day?

While I wouldn't say that the TC is speaking the truth as he's stating an opinion, I wouldn't say that the PC is "dead last" like you have.

delusuional. PC sales great, but PC games don't even compare to console. To even say PC software is on the level of console software has just shown me your lack of knowledge in the area. WOW sold 10 million? I can name you 15-20 console games that has sold more. System Wars didn't start when Gamespot was created. I was a little kid defending the NES from Turbo Graphix 16 and Sega fanboys. Sales determine the winner back then, and will continue to do so.

Your argument falls flat on its face when you realize the handful of games that has surpassed the sales of WoW has pretty much only been Nintendo.

You are basically claiming Sony and MS's consoles are doign worse off than PC gaming.

Everything you said in that post was all on you. Your own argument failed. Don't make it mines.