Face it, the PC is the real winner here

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

Starcraft, Counterstrike, Comman and Conquer, and Sim City 4. I love each one.

Socrates88

wasnt the answer i was expecting.

what were you looking for?

something like this - n0 ive neva playsd a pc but i tinks haloz is betta lolz omg u can liek play with dual weidlz and liek play online k lol. allso i think 360 isa supa computah becuz it used 3 cores liek LOL!

Every day I see a new console person want to get a gaming rig. The fact of the matter is being on Xbox live feels like if I was sitting in a cubicle. Sure you can play online but that's about it. Plus you can't browse any servers which sucks.

Unstoppable_1

I stopped there. The only games I played that you couldnt are shadow run and halo 2. heck even in GeOW you can do this

/end

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]cant argue with the facts.Socrates88

You're right. Too bad there's none here. Winner is determin by sales. Always had and always will. PC has been dead last for decades now. The definion of a failure? When your best just isn't good enough.

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]cant argue with the facts.Socrates88

You're right. Too bad there's none here. Winner is determin by sales. Always had and always will. PC has been dead last for decades now. The definion of a failure? When your best just isn't good enough.

Shall we compare console sales to.... PC sales? rofl you lost.

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]cant argue with the facts.RichieRich555

You're right. Too bad there's none here. Winner is determin by sales. Always had and always will. PC has been dead last for decades now. The definion of a failure? When your best just isn't good enough.

sigh...I wish we can stop playing this delusional game for one day.

[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]

So what's the point? I don't argue about something that's not revlent to the topic. He said PC is the winner. I was telling him the winner is determine by sales which PC has never won. Sure, we all want to change the rules when you keep failing. That is what the TC is trying to convince us."Let's play soccer with our hands".

Socrates88

And what sales do you speak of? Truth be told, the hardware sales of the PC outshine every single console ever made. When it comes to software sales, I already pointed to games like WoW that are bringing an insane amount of money flow. Also, keep in mind they have yet to take into account digital distribution, which is becoming bigger by the day?

While I wouldn't say that the TC is speaking the truth as he's stating an opinion, I wouldn't say that the PC is "dead last" like you have.

delusuional. PC sales great, but PC games don't even compare to console. To even say PC software is on the level of console software has just shown me your lack of knowledge in the area. WOW sold 10 million? I can name you 15-20 console games that has sold more. System Wars didn't start when Gamespot was created. I was a little kid defending the NES from Turbo Graphix 16 and Sega fanboys. Sales determine the winner back then, and will continue to do so.

Your argument falls flat on its face when you realize the handful of games that has surpassed the sales of WoW has pretty much only been Nintendo.

You are basically claiming Sony and MS's consoles are doign worse off than PC gaming.

Everything you said in that post was all on you. Your own argument failed. Don't make it mines.

"Claiming sales determines winners" is saying Sony and MS are doing worse than PC gaming because only a handful of franchise (almost all of them are Nintendo ones) have sold better than the best PC games.

Get it? Not very har. Or are you too blind to make sense of your own argument?

"Claiming sales determines winners" is saying Sony and MS are doing worse than PC gaming because only a handful of franchise (almost all of them are Nintendo ones) have sold better than the best PC games.

Get it? Not very har. Or are you too blind to make sense of your own argument?

XaosII

I love the insults. Again, this is your own argument. Don't believe me? show me where I said Sony and MS is doing worse? Sales does determine the winner. Which Sony, Nintendo, and even Microsft has beaten PC in.

In actuality, nothing surpasses WoW in sales. Because WoW makes more money since it has monthly fees. Consider each month to be a 15 dollar game of WoW, Blizzard is making tons of money giving people 1 month of awesome gaming and they don't even need to buy console games.

And what the heck was that about Nintendo... I don't think anything had sold what Blizz sold for Burning Crusade. Maybe Gears.

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]cant argue with the facts.Socrates88

You're right. Too bad there's none here. Winner is determin by sales. Always had and always will. PC has been dead last for decades now. The definion of a failure? When your best just isn't good enough.

Well then, lets have us a look-see at all AAA games released since the launch of the PS2...

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25598985&page=0

Totals
PC: 69
PS2: 60
X-Box: 40
Gamecube: 18
X-Box 360: 6
PS3: 1
Wii: 1

*Claps dust off hands* My work here is done.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

"Claiming sales determines winners" is saying Sony and MS are doing worse than PC gaming because only a handful of franchise (almost all of them are Nintendo ones) have sold better than the best PC games.

Get it? Not very har. Or are you too blind to make sense of your own argument?

Socrates88

I love the insults. Again, this is your own argument. Don't believe me? show me where I said Sony and MS is doing worse? Sales does determine the winner. Which Sony, Nintendo, and even Microsft has beaten PC in.

It's quite sad that you believe that, really it is. Go0d s@lez=g00D gaMeZ LAWLZ!

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]cant argue with the facts.Socrates88

You're right. Too bad there's none here. Winner is determin by sales. Always had and always will. PC has been dead last for decades now. The definion of a failure? When your best just isn't good enough.

Which is why the PC has the most AAA exclusives of any console. Oh yea, WoW has 9+ million subscribers. That's more than there are Xbox Live and PSN users together. People have been saying the PC is dying but it never will. Just keep on telling yourself that. Oh and besides of it goes by sales your PS3 is in dead last, I'd be surprised if it lasted two more years.

you do know the PC gets way more good games then the 360?TrailorParkBoy

And when was the last one? I was getting tired to play this stuppid crap that now called PC games in the end of 2004 and 2005.

And console shooters much more harder that I like too.

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]cant argue with the facts.Hot_Potato

You're right. Too bad there's none here. Winner is determin by sales. Always had and always will. PC has been dead last for decades now. The definion of a failure? When your best just isn't good enough.

Which is why the PC has the most AAA exclusives of any console. Oh yea, WoW has 9+ million subscribers. That's more than there are Xbox Live and PSN users together. People have been saying the PC is dying but it never will. Just keep on telling yourself that. Oh and besides of it goes by sales your PS3 is in dead last, I'd be surprised if it lasted two more years.

Yep. More people PC game than game on a PS3 also. So please tell me, how is PC in "dead last"?

[QUOTE="TrailorParkBoy"]you do know the PC gets way more good games then the 360?dimar19

And when was the last one? I was getting tired to play this stuppid crap that now called PC games in the end of 2004 and 2005.

And console shooters much more harder that I like too.

Haven't seen you in a while. You never cease to make me laugh :lol:

I don't consider PC a part of the game race, I play games on my PC sure, but I find 9/10th's of them to be poorly developed. Sure there are some wicked games for the PC but I just can't grasp it as a part of the console race.Jynxzor

Poorly developed? You've obviously never played Half Life 2, Far Cry, Unreal Tournament, Battlefield, Supreme Commander, Company of Heroes, Dawn of War, Day of Defeat, Red Orchestra, Call of Duty, Quake, Doom, Fear, WoW, Ages of Empires, Medeival series or any of the other crap loads of games that were born on the PC.

cant argue with the facts.coolmonkeykid

I have to say about the same.

But the problem here is when i think about the games for PC, games i really want to play. I can only think about about 3-4 games (bioschock, Crysis, Starcraft2 and maybe Hellgate london but only if it is free to play) while the list on games for consoles are like endless. Thats why consoles >>> PC atleast for me.

Consoles give you a different kind of games that PC not have.

Poorly developed? You've obviously never played Half Life 2, Far Cry, Unreal Tournament, Battlefield, Supreme Commander, Company of Heroes, Dawn of War, Day of Defeat, Red Orchestra, Call of Duty, Quake, Doom, Fear, WoW, Ages of Empires, Medeival series or any of the other crap loads of games that were born on the PC.Hot_Potato

LOL. Man, don't name Far Cry, this guys just have no idea how to make gameplay and totally killed the game with that stupid armored gorillas. Don't name FEAR, it's the most horrible design in the history of shooters. Don't name Ages of Empires, the series completely degenerated to the third installment.

As for RTS - you can play all of this Company of Heroes, Dawn of War and C&C3, I don't like primitive strategic arcades

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

"Claiming sales determines winners" is saying Sony and MS are doing worse than PC gaming because only a handful of franchise (almost all of them are Nintendo ones) have sold better than the best PC games.

Get it? Not very har. Or are you too blind to make sense of your own argument?

Socrates88

I love the insults. Again, this is your own argument. Don't believe me? show me where I said Sony and MS is doing worse? Sales does determine the winner. Which Sony, Nintendo, and even Microsft has beaten PC in.

Where exactly are you getting the amount of PC's sold?

[QUOTE="Hot_Potato"] Poorly developed? You've obviously never played Half Life 2, Far Cry, Unreal Tournament, Battlefield, Supreme Commander, Company of Heroes, Dawn of War, Day of Defeat, Red Orchestra, Call of Duty, Quake, Doom, Fear, WoW, Ages of Empires, Medeival series or any of the other crap loads of games that were born on the PC.dimar19

LOL. Man, don't name Far Cry, this guys just have no idea how to make gameplay and totally killed the game with that stupid armored gorillas. Don't name FEAR, it's the most horrible design in the history of shooters. Don't name Ages of Empires, the series completely degenerated to the third installment.

As for RTS - you can play all of this Company of Heroes, Dawn of War and C&C3, I don't like primitive strategic arcades

Ok, have fun with your crappy console games? There hasn't been any good console games since the PS1. Enjoy crappy gaming! (I'm using you're logic).

Ok, have fun with your crappy console games? There hasn't been any good console games since the PS1. Enjoy crappy gaming! (I'm using you're logic).trix5817

How old are you, five? Logic is a stuff when you explain something, not just saying.

[QUOTE="trix5817"]Ok, have fun with your crappy console games? There hasn't been any good console games since the PS1. Enjoy crappy gaming! (I'm using you're logic).dimar19

How old are you, five? Logic is a stuff when you explain something, not just saying.

And you "explained" (actually, I wouldn't even call it that) how there haven't been any good PC games. I love how you're the one callling me a five year old. It's quite ironic if you ask me.

[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

"Claiming sales determines winners" is saying Sony and MS are doing worse than PC gaming because only a handful of franchise (almost all of them are Nintendo ones) have sold better than the best PC games.

Get it? Not very har. Or are you too blind to make sense of your own argument?

h0wtehnub

I love the insults. Again, this is your own argument. Don't believe me? show me where I said Sony and MS is doing worse? Sales does determine the winner. Which Sony, Nintendo, and even Microsft has beaten PC in.

Where exactly are you getting the amount of PC's sold?

NPD

[QUOTE="h0wtehnub"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

"Claiming sales determines winners" is saying Sony and MS are doing worse than PC gaming because only a handful of franchise (almost all of them are Nintendo ones) have sold better than the best PC games.

Get it? Not very har. Or are you too blind to make sense of your own argument?

Socrates88

I love the insults. Again, this is your own argument. Don't believe me? show me where I said Sony and MS is doing worse? Sales does determine the winner. Which Sony, Nintendo, and even Microsft has beaten PC in.

Where exactly are you getting the amount of PC's sold?

NPD

Wether the consoles are winning or not, NPD shows a good amount of growth and expansion of the PC market. Combined with unaccounted Steam and downloadable services, it's doing quite well.

[QUOTE="h0wtehnub"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

"Claiming sales determines winners" is saying Sony and MS are doing worse than PC gaming because only a handful of franchise (almost all of them are Nintendo ones) have sold better than the best PC games.

Get it? Not very har. Or are you too blind to make sense of your own argument?

Socrates88

I love the insults. Again, this is your own argument. Don't believe me? show me where I said Sony and MS is doing worse? Sales does determine the winner. Which Sony, Nintendo, and even Microsft has beaten PC in.

Where exactly are you getting the amount of PC's sold?

NPD

Don't you mean PC games? NPD doesn't include PC hardware in their sales, even though they include console hardware. If they did, it would easily destroy the sales of consoles, even if they only included gaming hardware.

If you are talking about PC games, NPD doesn't include digital distribution sales from sites like Direct2Drive or Steam, which are becoming much higher. They also don't inlucde MMO subscriptions.

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

And sales matter..........why?

Socrates88

Great question. It's the only fact that can not be argue. Quality is all personal. We would be arguing from here to B.F.E. about what's great and what's not. Like the guy said, "You can't argue with facts". You think PC games are better. I think console games are better. Your opinion does not override mines neither does mines over yours.

Have you ever played a PC game on a gaming PC in your life?

Starcraft, Counterstrike, Comman and Conquer, and Sim City 4. I love each one.

Tha.....that's it?
You poor soul. I pity your soul.

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]

NPD

trix5817

Don't you mean PC games? NPD doesn't include PC hardware in their sales, even though they include console hardware. If they did, it would easily destroy the sales of consoles, even if they only included gaming hardware.

If you are talking about PC games, NPD doesn't include digital distribution sales from sites like Direct2Drive or Steam, which are becoming much higher. They also don't inlucde MMO subscriptions.

Ouch!!! You just gave me an Indian burn from all the twisting.

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

NPD

Socrates88

Don't you mean PC games? NPD doesn't include PC hardware in their sales, even though they include console hardware. If they did, it would easily destroy the sales of consoles, even if they only included gaming hardware.

If you are talking about PC games, NPD doesn't include digital distribution sales from sites like Direct2Drive or Steam, which are becoming much higher. They also don't inlucde MMO subscriptions.

Ouch!!! You just gave me an Indian burn from all the twisting.

Please explain.....

[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

And sales matter..........why?

zombiepigeon

Great question. It's the only fact that can not be argue. Quality is all personal. We would be arguing from here to B.F.E. about what's great and what's not. Like the guy said, "You can't argue with facts". You think PC games are better. I think console games are better. Your opinion does not override mines neither does mines over yours.

Have you ever played a PC game on a gaming PC in your life?

Starcraft, Counterstrike, Comman and Conquer, and Sim City 4. I love each one.

Tha.....that's it?
You poor soul. I pity your soul.

:( I'm not big on PC games. I like reading, card games, and football.

[QUOTE="zombiepigeon"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

And sales matter..........why?

Socrates88

Great question. It's the only fact that can not be argue. Quality is all personal. We would be arguing from here to B.F.E. about what's great and what's not. Like the guy said, "You can't argue with facts". You think PC games are better. I think console games are better. Your opinion does not override mines neither does mines over yours.

Have you ever played a PC game on a gaming PC in your life?

Starcraft, Counterstrike, Comman and Conquer, and Sim City 4. I love each one.

Tha.....that's it?
You poor soul. I pity your soul.

:( I'm not big on PC games. I like reading, card games, and football.

No Half-Life 2? No Half-Life? No Warcraft III? Or Frozen Throne? Diablo II? Lord of Destruction? Morrowind? Oblivion?

[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

NPD

trix5817

Don't you mean PC games? NPD doesn't include PC hardware in their sales, even though they include console hardware. If they did, it would easily destroy the sales of consoles, even if they only included gaming hardware.

If you are talking about PC games, NPD doesn't include digital distribution sales from sites like Direct2Drive or Steam, which are becoming much higher. They also don't inlucde MMO subscriptions.

Ouch!!! You just gave me an Indian burn from all the twisting.

Please explain.....

All gaming consoles are use to play games. Most PCs are not use for gaming. Even if you add the DD and Steam counts console sells still beats it.

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]

:( I'm not big on PC games. I like reading, card games, and football.

zombiepigeon

No Half-Life 2? No Half-Life? No Warcraft III? Or Frozen Throne? Diablo II? Lord of Destruction? Morrowind? Oblivion?

Sorry? :(

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

NPD

Socrates88

Don't you mean PC games? NPD doesn't include PC hardware in their sales, even though they include console hardware. If they did, it would easily destroy the sales of consoles, even if they only included gaming hardware.

If you are talking about PC games, NPD doesn't include digital distribution sales from sites like Direct2Drive or Steam, which are becoming much higher. They also don't inlucde MMO subscriptions.

Ouch!!! You just gave me an Indian burn from all the twisting.

Please explain.....

All gaming consoles are use to play games. All PCs are not use for gaming. Even if you add the DD and Steam counts console sells still beats it.

You can say this for sure.....how?

[QUOTE="zombiepigeon"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

:( I'm not big on PC games. I like reading, card games, and football.

Socrates88

No Half-Life 2? No Half-Life? No Warcraft III? Or Frozen Throne? Diablo II? Lord of Destruction? Morrowind? Oblivion?

Sorry? :(

No, don't be. I feel sorry enough for both of us.

[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

NPD

zombiepigeon

Don't you mean PC games? NPD doesn't include PC hardware in their sales, even though they include console hardware. If they did, it would easily destroy the sales of consoles, even if they only included gaming hardware.

If you are talking about PC games, NPD doesn't include digital distribution sales from sites like Direct2Drive or Steam, which are becoming much higher. They also don't inlucde MMO subscriptions.

Ouch!!! You just gave me an Indian burn from all the twisting.

Please explain.....

All gaming consoles are use to play games. All PCs are not use for gaming. Even if you add the DD and Steam counts console sells still beats it.

You can say this for sure.....how?

Good question. Steam = 13 million with the PC NPD numbers doesn't come close to console sells. The fact that PS2 sold 115 million alone is beating the PC. I know you PC gamers like to compare your stats to the New gen, but you know that's unfair.

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

NPD

Socrates88

Don't you mean PC games? NPD doesn't include PC hardware in their sales, even though they include console hardware. If they did, it would easily destroy the sales of consoles, even if they only included gaming hardware.

If you are talking about PC games, NPD doesn't include digital distribution sales from sites like Direct2Drive or Steam, which are becoming much higher. They also don't inlucde MMO subscriptions.

Ouch!!! You just gave me an Indian burn from all the twisting.

Please explain.....

All gaming consoles are use to play games. All PCs are not use for gaming. Even if you add the DD and Steam counts console sells still beats it.

The PC is still a system that CAN play games, same for the consoles. Even if it were just gaming hardware counted for PC's, PC's would still be winning. So, you are comparing the price of all 3 console systems combined, against 1 system (PC). Yep, that's fair. I'm pretty sure with the online distribution and MMO subsciptions (which both make a HUGE amount of money are are becoming more popular everyday) PC's would beat each console, but no combined (again, that's not fair). Give me a link proving otherwise, please. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, NPD doesn't include sales in Europe, which makes up a HUGE portion of the market. PC gaming is big in Europe. In some countries, bigger than console gaming.

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]cant argue with the facts.Socrates88

You're right. Too bad there's none here. Winner is determin by sales. Always had and always will. PC has been dead last for decades now. The definion of a failure? When your best just isn't good enough.

How the hell can you compare the sales of a PC? People often build there own pc so the sales wont show!

[QUOTE="zombiepigeon"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

NPD

Socrates88

Don't you mean PC games? NPD doesn't include PC hardware in their sales, even though they include console hardware. If they did, it would easily destroy the sales of consoles, even if they only included gaming hardware.

If you are talking about PC games, NPD doesn't include digital distribution sales from sites like Direct2Drive or Steam, which are becoming much higher. They also don't inlucde MMO subscriptions.

Ouch!!! You just gave me an Indian burn from all the twisting.

Please explain.....

All gaming consoles are use to play games. All PCs are not use for gaming. Even if you add the DD and Steam counts console sells still beats it.

You can say this for sure.....how?

Good question. Steam = 13 million with the PC NPD numbers doesn't come close to console sells. The fact that PS2 sold 115 million alone is beating the PC. I know you PC gamers like to compare your stats to the New gen, but you know that's unfair.

You do know, that when you buy PC games off of steam, they are added to your account, right? So you can have as many games as you want on your account. Wow....

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]cant argue with the facts.daytona_178

You're right. Too bad there's none here. Winner is determin by sales. Always had and always will. PC has been dead last for decades now. The definion of a failure? When your best just isn't good enough.

How the hell can you compare the sales of a PC? People often build there own pc so the sales wont show!

lol. You guys are hilarious.

[QUOTE="zombiepigeon"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

NPD

Socrates88

Don't you mean PC games? NPD doesn't include PC hardware in their sales, even though they include console hardware. If they did, it would easily destroy the sales of consoles, even if they only included gaming hardware.

If you are talking about PC games, NPD doesn't include digital distribution sales from sites like Direct2Drive or Steam, which are becoming much higher. They also don't inlucde MMO subscriptions.

Ouch!!! You just gave me an Indian burn from all the twisting.

Please explain.....

All gaming consoles are use to play games. All PCs are not use for gaming. Even if you add the DD and Steam counts console sells still beats it.

You can say this for sure.....how?

Good question. Steam = 13 million with the PC NPD numbers doesn't come close to console sells. The fact that PS2 sold 115 million alone is beating the PC. I know you PC gamers like to compare your stats to the New gen, but you know that's unfair.

I'm not even going to get into that complex of an arguement. Especially when we're bickering over PS2s then stats to the "new" gen.
I'm not even going to go there.

Well then, lets have us a look-see at all AAA games released since the launch of the PS2...

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25598985&page=0

Totals
PC: 69
PS2: 60
X-Box: 40
Gamecube: 18
X-Box 360: 6
PS3: 1
Wii: 1

*Claps dust off hands* My work here is done.

t3hTwinky

You do know, that when you buy PC games off of steam, they are added to your account, right? So you can have as many games as you want on your account. Wow....

trix5817

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games

I hope this ends the argument.

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

NPD

Socrates88

Don't you mean PC games? NPD doesn't include PC hardware in their sales, even though they include console hardware. If they did, it would easily destroy the sales of consoles, even if they only included gaming hardware.

If you are talking about PC games, NPD doesn't include digital distribution sales from sites like Direct2Drive or Steam, which are becoming much higher. They also don't inlucde MMO subscriptions.

Ouch!!! You just gave me an Indian burn from all the twisting.

Please explain.....

All gaming consoles are use to play games. Most PCs are not use for gaming. Even if you add the DD and Steam counts console sells still beats it.

are you comparing every next gen system to the pc in sales numbers?TrailorParkBoy

As long you not comparing 5 years to 1 year.

[QUOTE="trix5817"]

You do know, that when you buy PC games off of steam, they are added to your account, right? So you can have as many games as you want on your account. Wow....

Socrates88

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games

I hope this ends the argument.