Face it: The Wiimote sold the Wii, not the games

I am forced to ponder: How many Wii's would have sold if it was packaged with a standard controller? I'm guessing not much. We know that what didn't sell the Wii was power. We also know that graphics also did not play an important part.

But what about the games?

Well, how many AAA games were available during launch? And were any of these games the start of a new franchise?

It is quite apparent that a gimmick controller is what cleared the game store shelves. If the Wii used a standard controller, we would be looking at the Gamecube all over again.

Well, besides the controller and sales, we practically are.

Ok. How many 360's wouldhave sold if it's games looked like the Wii.

Same thing.

Ok. How many 360's wouldhave sold if it's games looked like the Wii.

Same thing.

NATATO

The wii plays games? I thoght it was a paperweight that comes with the remoteHaloissosweetv4

That's pretty much exactly what it is. Unless of course you're a fan of garbage mini-games and cooking sims.

[QUOTE="NATATO"]

Ok. How many 360's wouldhave sold if it's games looked like the Wii.

Same thing.

hamstergeddon

I think the thing is that the Wii-mote.......costs less than $40 to make.........and that's it's main selling point.While the whole unit costs $250. The 360 itself ..........costs probably over $300 to make. And the thing costs $400. I see the point. But I think the point he's trying to get across is that the system sells solelybased off a peripheral.

and the games did not sell the PS3 .... in fact the PS3 didnt sell at allfarnham

Yeah, OK.

Ummm, so what? Who's talking about the PS3?

If the Wii used a standard controller, we would be looking at the Gamecube all over again.

IronMaidenLives

If the 360 had last-gen graphics, we would be looking at the Xbox all over again. Look, I can do that too.

So kinda like the 'potential' that sold the PS3, right?

Except that the Wiimote has delivered whereas PS gamers are still waiting...

[QUOTE="Haloissosweetv4"]The wii plays games? I thoght it was a paperweight that comes with the remoteGamer46

That's pretty much exactly what it is. Unless of course you're a fan of garbage mini-games and cooking sims.

It teaches you to cook? Now i get a remote, a few crappy games, and cooking for 250!

[QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

If the Wii used a standard controller, we would be looking at the Gamecube all over again.

darkmario123

If the 360 had last-gen graphics, we would be looking at the Xbox all over again. Look, I can do that too.

Yes, you can. Good for you.

We'll file that under "Yet another poster who changes the subject and thinks this is a pro 360/PS3 thread when those systems were never mentioned in the original topic".

yes and..? whats your point the only thing thats sell the ps3 is the blue ray... and the only thing selling the 360 is the gamesCDWJUSTIN

Please see my post before this one.

[QUOTE="darkmario123"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

If the Wii used a standard controller, we would be looking at the Gamecube all over again.

IronMaidenLives

If the 360 had last-gen graphics, we would be looking at the Xbox all over again. Look, I can do that too.

Yes, you can. Good for you.

We'll file that under "Yet another poster who changes the subject and thinks this is a pro 360/PS3 thread when those systems were never mentioned in the original topic".

So why are you singling out the Wii when the other systems have the same fault?

It's the gimmicky (?) aspect of the Wii that sold the console. If the other console manufacturers found way to to nullify it, the Wii would be serious trouble. emawk

[QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"][QUOTE="darkmario123"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

If the Wii used a standard controller, we would be looking at the Gamecube all over again.

darkmario123

If the 360 had last-gen graphics, we would be looking at the Xbox all over again. Look, I can do that too.

Yes, you can. Good for you.

We'll file that under "Yet another poster who changes the subject and thinks this is a pro 360/PS3 thread when those systems were never mentioned in the original topic".

So why are you singling out the Wii when the other systems have the same fault?

The other systems have USPs (Unique Selling Propositions) while the WIi doesn't. It only has the Wii-mote. The thing about it is....when you (and I) boughta Wii it was because of the Wii-mote. It wasn't because of the amazing HD graphics, it wasn't becuase of online multiplayer, it wasn't because of having an HD format included, hell it wasn't even because it had the ability to play DVDs......it was for the Wii-mote.

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="NATATO"]

Ok. How many 360's wouldhave sold if it's games looked like the Wii.

Same thing.

MikeE21286

I think the thing is that the Wii-mote.......costs less than $40 to make.........and that's it's main selling point.While the whole unit costs $250. The 360 itself ..........costs probably over $300 to make. And the thing costs $400. I see the point. But I think the point he's trying to get across is that the system sells solelybased off a peripheral.

Wii cost less than 250 to make. Nintendo makes money selling the ACTUAL CONSOLE

360 cost MORE than 400 to make, they lose money selling the console in hope to make money on other things such as games.

It doesn't matter if my selling point is cheaper than your selling point.TC is basically saying"If the Wii didn't have its main selling point, then it wouldn't sell!"

[QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"][QUOTE="darkmario123"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

If the Wii used a standard controller, we would be looking at the Gamecube all over again.

darkmario123

If the 360 had last-gen graphics, we would be looking at the Xbox all over again. Look, I can do that too.

Yes, you can. Good for you.

We'll file that under "Yet another poster who changes the subject and thinks this is a pro 360/PS3 thread when those systems were never mentioned in the original topic".

So why are you singling out the Wii when the other systems have the same fault?

Awwwwwwwww, I'm singling out the other two consoles. What a crime.

Look, I own a Wii. I do not own the other two so I'm not going to talk about the other two.

[QUOTE="Gamer46"]

[QUOTE="Haloissosweetv4"]The wii plays games? I thoght it was a paperweight that comes with the remoteHaloissosweetv4

That's pretty much exactly what it is. Unless of course you're a fan of garbage mini-games and cooking sims.

It teaches you to cook? Now i get a remote, a few crappy games, and cooking for 250!

Yeah, Cooking Mama blows away any game you can get on the 360 or PS3.

but then Nintendo would've gotten exactly what they wanted: a gaming revolution. Sony has already done a half assed job of copying the Wii-mote and Microsoft, I bet, is going to reveal something like it at E3, so nintendo would've got the gaming revolution that they wanted. And I don't think MS and Sony can beat Nintendo on it's home turf. hamstergeddon

Interesting thought, but I don't think nintendo sees a 3D mouse a gaming revolution. I think their revolution is the simplicity and the accesabillity of the wii. It's sleek and easy to use design, and it's pick-up-and-play games designed to introduce gaming to non-gamers. I don't think PS3 or 360 will manage the same success as the Wii with a similar controller, since they still miss all the other factors for introducing casuals and non-gamers.

Typical sheep. Instead of trying to debate the main point, they divert the attention and talk about the other two systems.IronMaidenLives

Apparently Nintendo can do no wrong.

Typical sheep. Instead of trying to debate the main point, they divert the attention and talk about the other two systems.IronMaidenLives

You say you aren't talking about the other two consoles, but you are by "if the wii used a standard controller" whihc is what the two other consoles have

SO YOU ARE talking about the other two consoles. You're bascially saying "if the WIi had been like the 360 and ps3 then it wouldn't have sold"

So kinda like the 'potential' that sold the PS3, right?

Except that the Wiimote has delivered whereas PS gamers are still waiting...

joeyg1097

You are right..... But then again I rather have the Wiimote which I have had a ton of fun with than just graphics any dayHarlockJC

AWWW....the poor PS3/360 owners having no fun. Why do people say these things

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]You are right..... But then again I rather have the Wiimote which I have had a ton of fun with than just graphics any dayMikeE21286

AWWW....the poor PS3/360 owners having no fun. Why do people say these things

Cause 360 and PS3 owners say that the Wii is no fun?

[QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]Typical sheep. Instead of trying to debate the main point, they divert the attention and talk about the other two systems.NATATO

You say you aren't talking about the other two consoles, but you are by "if the wii used a standard controller" whihc is what the two other consoles have

SO YOU ARE talking about the other two consoles. You're bascially saying "if the WIi had been like the 360 and ps3 then it wouldn't have sold"

Now that is terrible reasoning. I'm focusing on the Wii alone.

By your faulty logic, If I said "If the Red Sox had a shortstop that could hit for a better average, they might have a couple more wins."

You would say....

"So, you mean if the Sox had Derek Jeter, they might have some more wins."

Stop making this something that it isn't about.

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]You are right..... But then again I rather have the Wiimote which I have had a ton of fun with than just graphics any dayTheTerribleFish

AWWW....the poor PS3/360 owners having no fun. Why do people say these things

Cause 360 and PS3 owners say that the Wii is no fun?

No, it's because sheep say that the only fun can be had via the Wii-mote.

No, it's because sheep say that the only fun can be had via the Wii-mote.

MikeE21286

I'm confused. You answered your own question?

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]You are right..... But then again I rather have the Wiimote which I have had a ton of fun with than just graphics any dayMikeE21286

AWWW....the poor PS3/360 owners having no fun. Why do people say these things

wait let me go back.....Nope no where did I say that someone could not have fun playing on the PS3 and 360....What I said was that I rather have something new like the Wiimote then better graphics. When you have been playing games as long has I have something new is alway great and because I still go back and play old school games like Space Quest I could care less about how the graphics look.

the wii sold because of the wii mote.....well duh.

Is anybody actually denying this?

I am forced to ponder: How many Wii's would have sold if it was packaged with a standard controller? I'm guessing not much. We know that what didn't sell the Wii was power. We also know that graphics also did not play an important part.

But what about the games?

Well, how many AAA games were available during launch? And were any of these games the start of a new franchise?

It is quite apparent that a gimmick controller is what cleared the game store shelves. If the Wii used a standard controller, we would be looking at the Gamecube all over again.

Well, besides the controller and sales, we practically are.

IronMaidenLives

no crap.

[QUOTE="emawk"]It's the gimmicky (?) aspect of the Wii that sold the console. If the other console manufacturers found way to to nullify it, the Wii would be serious trouble. hamstergeddon

From what I've seen Nintendo could care less about a a gaming revolution as long as they get more money in their pockets. The Wii-mote isn't cut out to be what it was suppose to be.

Furthermore, Microsoft and Sony don't necessarily have to have something like the Wii-mote to nullify the gimmicky aspect of the Wii. All they need is a strong gimmick of any kind.

Last-gen, one of the major reasons why the PS2 so so well was because of it's DVD player, something I deem a gimmick. It was the first console to come out with something like that; thus, it was the first to take full advantage of it and the first garner a great deal of the recognition. When the Xbox came out with a DVD player, the DVD gimmick had already been done, with PS2 soaring in its popularity.

This generation, the media player in a console gimmick has little to no value. Its gimmick value has been nullified. It's almost as expected as a console's controller. Now the Wii has a gimmick of it's own, a gimmick that no one has ever seen. It's soaring in it's popularity. Even if the other console manufacturers did come out with their own Wii-motes, the Wii has most likely taken the show. The Wii has gained all (if not most) the recognition associated with the gimmick. But the other manufacturers shouldn't give up to come up with new gimmicks. It wouldn't hurt that bad even if they did come out with their own Wii-motes.

All they need to do is to nullify the gimmick in the Wii-mote, even by a little bit.

The wii plays games? I thoght it was a paperweight that comes with the remoteHaloissosweetv4

No you're thinking of the PS3 that comes with a PS controller.

[QUOTE="TheTerribleFish"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]You are right..... But then again I rather have the Wiimote which I have had a ton of fun with than just graphics any dayMikeE21286

AWWW....the poor PS3/360 owners having no fun. Why do people say these things

Cause 360 and PS3 owners say that the Wii is no fun?

No, it's because sheep say that the only fun can be had via the Wii-mote.

Interesting. What else do you make up in your spare time?