Face it: The Wiimote sold the Wii, not the games

I am forced to ponder: How many Wii's would have sold if it was packaged with a standard controller? I'm guessing not much. We know that what didn't sell the Wii was power. We also know that graphics also did not play an important part.

But what about the games?

Well, how many AAA games were available during launch? And were any of these games the start of a new franchise?

It is quite apparent that a gimmick controller is what cleared the game store shelves. If the Wii used a standard controller, we would be looking at the Gamecube all over again.

Well, besides the controller and sales, we practically are.

IronMaidenLives

Also. Most of the games that have been popular on Wii, such as Wii sports and Wario Ware etc, would have been pretty **** WITHOUT the Wiimote. I agree with you. It really is the Wiimote, and subsequently the games the use it best, that is selling the Wii right now.I actually wish the other companies had saw fit to create similar controllers for their machines (possibly a pointer of some sort that plugged into the ports on their controllers), because if the Xbox 360 had used a similar controller to Wii then I wouldn't be sitting here debating whether to get one or not, it would be forgone conclusion...

yea, without the wiimote the console itself would be crapjoslop500

true, but if the console didnt have a remote. Nintendo would have made the wii with 360 graphics.

[QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

I am forced to ponder: How many Wii's would have sold if it was packaged with a standard controller? I'm guessing not much. We know that what didn't sell the Wii was power. We also know that graphics also did not play an important part.

But what about the games?

Well, how many AAA games were available during launch? And were any of these games the start of a new franchise?

It is quite apparent that a gimmick controller is what cleared the game store shelves. If the Wii used a standard controller, we would be looking at the Gamecube all over again.

Well, besides the controller and sales, we practically are.

freeload

Also. Most of the games that have been popular on Wii, such as Wii sports and Wario Ware etc, would have been pretty **** WITHOUT the Wiimote. I agree with you. I really is the Wiimote that is selling the Wii right now. I actually wish the other companies had saw fit to create similar controllers for their machines, because if the Xbox 360 had used a similar controller then I wouldn't be sitting here debating whether to get one or not, it would be forgone conclusion...

nintendo yet again shows their genius :P

Wow, IronMaidenLives went from huge Nintendo fanboy to Nintendo critic. What happened. :?DA_B0MB

I bought a Wii.

Were AAA titles available in any of the launches?bass_4431

If you are talking about the other two systems then your post should be discarded because this is a Wii discussion. Again, diverting the attention is weak.

But if you are talking about past Nintendo systems then yes, they did.

controller/games/priceLINKloco

Indeed.

[QUOTE="DA_B0MB"]Wow, IronMaidenLives went from huge Nintendo fanboy to Nintendo critic. What happened. :?IronMaidenLives

I bought a Wii.

lol!

I can't say I didn't warn you. You didn't really have to buy a Wii to see how insginificant (in terms of game quality) it was to the other consoles.

Things might improve in the future though, so you didn't really waste you money. But you did get ripped off. The Wii should not cost $250. It should cost $150 at most.

I am forced to ponder: How many Wii's would have sold if it was packaged with a standard controller? I'm guessing not much. We know that what didn't sell the Wii was power. We also know that graphics also did not play an important part.

But what about the games?

Well, how many AAA games were available during launch? And were any of these games the start of a new franchise?

It is quite apparent that a gimmick controller is what cleared the game store shelves. If the Wii used a standard controller, we would be looking at the Gamecube all over again.

Well, besides the controller and sales, we practically are.

IronMaidenLives

I think this is well known. Even Nintendo knew this. Therefore, Nintendo was smart to have this controller. They were the underdog in the console industry. Now, they are tearing up the competition and Wii is about to surpass 360 sales soon. So, you can spin this as negatively as you want, but Nintendo is laughing all the way to the bank. From a business standpoint, Nintendo is definitely the smartest of the bunch right now. So what if it is the controller selling the Wii? To me, that makes it even more amazing. Think how many Wiis would've sold if there were better games out now...

[QUOTE="DA_B0MB"]Wow, IronMaidenLives went from huge Nintendo fanboy to Nintendo critic. What happened. :?IronMaidenLives

I bought a Wii.

I am forced to ponder: How many Wii's would have sold if it was packaged with a standard controller? I'm guessing not much. We know that what didn't sell the Wii was power. We also know that graphics also did not play an important part.

But what about the games?

Well, how many AAA games were available during launch? And were any of these games the start of a new franchise?

It is quite apparent that a gimmick controller is what cleared the game store shelves. If the Wii used a standard controller, we would be looking at the Gamecube all over again.

Well, besides the controller and sales, we practically are.

IronMaidenLives

That said, my above point leads me to this previous post. Although only the second paragraph is related to the topic of this thread, feel free to comment on the rest of the post, as well. I also want to point out that people who bought a Wii PROBABLY didn't buy it for "ZOMGWTFBBQ!!11!1"-level graphics, anyway.

On a side note: I must say it's a funny thing with sheep. They have bragged about sales until they were blue in the face. Many of them claimed it was because of top-notch AAA titles.

But when you bring up the subject of the Wiimote selling systems instead of the games, all of the sudden, everything is about the PS3 and 360.

If I cared about the PS3 and 360, I would have made a topic about it. And I would have no problem pointing out the faults of those systems either.

But what does it matter? When you are sheep, Nintendo can do no wrong.

I think this is well known. Even Nintendo knew this. Therefore, Nintendo was smart to have this controller. They were the underdog in the console industry. Now, they are tearing up the competition and Wii is about to surpass 360 sales soon. So, you can spin this as negatively as you want, but Nintendo is laughing all the way to the bank. From a business standpoint, Nintendo is definitely the smartest of the bunch right now. So what if it is the controller selling the Wii? To me, that makes it even more amazing. Think how many Wiis would've sold if there were better games out now...

Oh, no spin here. Just a counter statement to those who claim the Wii is selling because of AAA games instead of an AAA gimmick.

On a side note: I must say it's a funny thing with sheep. They have bragged about sales until they were blue in the face. Many of them claimed it was because of top-notch AAA titles.

But when you bring up the subject of the Wiimote selling systems instead of the games, all of the sudden, everything is about the PS3 and 360.

If I cared about the PS3 and 360, I would have made a topic about it. And I would have no problem pointing out the faults of those systems either.

But what does it matter? When you are sheep, Nintendo can do no wrong.

IronMaidenLives

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="TheTerribleFish"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]You are right..... But then again I rather have the Wiimote which I have had a ton of fun with than just graphics any dayMrDziekuje

AWWW....the poor PS3/360 owners having no fun. Why do people say these things

Cause 360 and PS3 owners say that the Wii is no fun?

No, it's because sheep say that the only fun can be had via the Wii-mote.

Interesting. What else do you make up in your spare time?

Wow, great retort there. Yeah, I can't believe how many times I've heard the line said. So you can say it's made up if you feel better about it.

Wiimote + Wii Sports sold the wii.Michael85

that combined with some ace marketing by ninty (in europe anyway). wow...ace markting from ninty....never though id see the day. price helps a bit too.

[QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

On a side note: I must say it's a funny thing with sheep. They have bragged about sales until they were blue in the face. Many of them claimed it was because of top-notch AAA titles.

But when you bring up the subject of the Wiimote selling systems instead of the games, all of the sudden, everything is about the PS3 and 360.

If I cared about the PS3 and 360, I would have made a topic about it. And I would have no problem pointing out the faults of those systems either.

But what does it matter? When you are sheep, Nintendo can do no wrong.

foxhound_fox

First, where do I say "You're just a sheep"?

Second, I brought up sales in sales topics and arguments.

Third, what counter points could I give to people who go off-topic about the PS3 and 360?

[QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

I am forced to ponder: How many Wii's would have sold if it was packaged with a standard controller? I'm guessing not much. We know that what didn't sell the Wii was power. We also know that graphics also did not play an important part.

But what about the games?

Well, how many AAA games were available during launch? And were any of these games the start of a new franchise?

It is quite apparent that a gimmick controller is what cleared the game store shelves. If the Wii used a standard controller, we would be looking at the Gamecube all over again.

Well, besides the controller and sales, we practically are.

gaming_nerd

ok, i would like say im back after taking a few months of off system wars becauses quite simply system wars became complete crap, but anyway im back and ready to own starting with you "ironmadienwhateveryourf******name is"

you said the wiimote is the reason the wii has sold so much and yes your right because that was the hole point-inervation or what ever its called, the selling point on the wii was the wii-mote. on the other hand thereason the ps3 has sold so much(which is not alot)is because of its graphical power i guess the public prefer gameplay over graphics and also the reason the 360 is in the lead is because m$ new that they probably would come in second place again so they released the 360 a year early to get as much sales as possible before the competion-a head start if you will. to round of this long post you where right, the wii did and is still selling because of its controller, if nintendo did release a reguler controler that the console would be much, much more powerful than what it is.

peace out, ill be watching.

I guess while you were away, you didn't enhance your typing skills.

If Nintendo just made a standard controller and upgraded the hardware from the GC, they wouldnt be innovating at all, and they would have come in 3rd place again because they lost a good amount of 3rd party support from the failure of the GC. Its kind of obvious that the Wiimote is the Wiis main selling point, people want to try something different sometimes.

Then why don't they buy the $40 controller instead of the $250 hard to find console? Answer: They buy GAMES that use the Wiimote. /threadEponique

Oh, the original "/thread".

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Then why don't they buy the $40 controller instead of the $250 hard to find console? Answer: They buy GAMES that use the Wiimote. /threadIronMaidenLives

Oh, the original "/thread".

Care to actually attack the arguement?

[QUOTE="gaming_nerd"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

I am forced to ponder: How many Wii's would have sold if it was packaged with a standard controller? I'm guessing not much. We know that what didn't sell the Wii was power. We also know that graphics also did not play an important part.

But what about the games?

Well, how many AAA games were available during launch? And were any of these games the start of a new franchise?

It is quite apparent that a gimmick controller is what cleared the game store shelves. If the Wii used a standard controller, we would be looking at the Gamecube all over again.

Well, besides the controller and sales, we practically are.

IronMaidenLives

ok, i would like say im back after taking a few months of off system wars becauses quite simply system wars became complete crap, but anyway im back and ready to own starting with you "ironmadienwhateveryourf******name is"

you said the wiimote is the reason the wii has sold so much and yes your right because that was the hole point-inervation or what ever its called, the selling point on the wii was the wii-mote. on the other hand thereason the ps3 has sold so much(which is not alot)is because of its graphical power i guess the public prefer gameplay over graphics and also the reason the 360 is in the lead is because m$ new that they probably would come in second place again so they released the 360 a year early to get as much sales as possible before the competion-a head start if you will. to round of this long post you where right, the wii did and is still selling because of its controller, if nintendo did release a reguler controler that the console would be much, much more powerful than what it is.

peace out, ill be watching.

I guess while you were away, you didn't enhance your typing skills.

Um...Doesn't that make you a hypocrite? You have been constantly bashing people who talk of the 360 and PS3 in your thread because it's irrelevant according to you and now you reply with something as irrelevant and silly as that? Dude...

Um...Doesn't that make you a hypocrite? You have been constantly bashing people who talk of the 360 and PS3 in your thread because it's irrelevant according to you and now you reply with something as irrelevant and silly as that? Dude...

Did he not make it a PS3/360 issue? Yes or No?

Besides, posts without any kind of coherent punctuation makes my eyes hurt.

and the games did not sell the PS3 .... in fact the PS3 didnt sell at allfarnham

IronMaidenLives

Um...Doesn't that make you a hypocrite? You have been constantly bashing people who talk of the 360 and PS3 in your thread because it's irrelevant according to you and now you reply with something as irrelevant and silly as that? Dude...

Did he not make it a PS3/360 issue? Yes or No?

Besides, posts without any kind of coherent punctuation makes my eyes hurt.

Doesn't matter, if you want people to believe, you prove him wrong.

Not this "Improve your typing skills" crap.

[QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Then why don't they buy the $40 controller instead of the $250 hard to find console? Answer: They buy GAMES that use the Wiimote. /threadEponique

Oh, the original "/thread".

Care to actually attack the arguement?

Oh, i don't know, because it's a lame counterpoint? As if someone would buy the controller with nothing to plug it into. You are twisting the point around. Either that or you're missing it altogether.

Care to actually be original and not use "/thread" for the millionth time?

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Then why don't they buy the $40 controller instead of the $250 hard to find console? Answer: They buy GAMES that use the Wiimote. /threadIronMaidenLives

Oh, the original "/thread".

Care to actually attack the arguement?

Oh, i don't know, because it's a lame counterpoint? As if someone would buy the controller with nothing to plug it into. You are twisting the point around. Either that or you're missing it altogether.

Care to actually be original and not use "/thread" for the millionth time?

Meh, they buy the Wii for the games, that use the controller. It goes both ways. But obviously games more than the controller. If they packaged the standard controller, they can still get casuals with Brain Age, Nintendogs etc.

Did he not make it a PS3/360 issue? Yes or No?

Besides, posts without any kind of coherent punctuation makes my eyes hurt.

IronMaidenLives

That doesn't justify you doing the same, you know? Especially if you apparently disapprove of such changes of topic.

[QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Then why don't they buy the $40 controller instead of the $250 hard to find console? Answer: They buy GAMES that use the Wiimote. /threadEponique

Oh, the original "/thread".

Care to actually attack the arguement?

I will.....

Nobody buys a controller without the system.

You spelled "argument" wrong.

Your avatar is more kiddy than a Transformers lunchbox.

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="emawk"]It's the gimmicky (?) aspect of the Wii that sold the console. If the other console manufacturers found way to to nullify it, the Wii would be serious trouble. emawk

From what I've seen Nintendo could care less about a a gaming revolution as long as they get more money in their pockets. The Wii-mote isn't cut out to be what it was suppose to be.

Furthermore, Microsoft and Sony don't necessarily have to have something like the Wii-mote to nullify the gimmicky aspect of the Wii. All they need is a strong gimmick of any kind.

Last-gen, one of the major reasons why the PS2 so so well was because of it's DVD player, something I deem a gimmick. It was the first console to come out with something like that; thus, it was the first to take full advantage of it and the first garner a great deal of the recognition. When the Xbox came out with a DVD player, the DVD gimmick had already been done, with PS2 soaring in its popularity.

This generation, the media player in a console gimmick has little to no value. Its gimmick value has been nullified. It's almost as expected as a console's controller. Now the Wii has a gimmick of it's own, a gimmick that no one has ever seen. It's soaring in it's popularity. Even if the other console manufacturers did come out with their own Wii-motes, the Wii has most likely taken the show. The Wii has gained all (if not most) the recognition associated with the gimmick. But the other manufacturers shouldn't give up to come up with new gimmicks. It wouldn't hurt that bad even if they did come out with their own Wii-motes.

All they need to do is to nullify the gimmick in the Wii-mote, even by a little bit.

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Then why don't they buy the $40 controller instead of the $250 hard to find console? Answer: They buy GAMES that use the Wiimote. /threadGodHatesYankees

Oh, the original "/thread".

Care to actually attack the arguement?

I will.....

Nobody buys a controller without the system.

You spelled "argument" wrong.

You're avatar is more kiddy than a Transformers lunchbox.

Correcting someone's correct spelling = ROFFLES!!!

So you're saying their willing to just buy the console and break the Wii Sports disc and just pretend they had a game and waggle the Wiimote?

And the dude in your avatar... No comment.

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Then why don't they buy the $40 controller instead of the $250 hard to find console? Answer: They buy GAMES that use the Wiimote. /threadGodHatesYankees

Oh, the original "/thread".

Care to actually attack the arguement?

I will.....

Nobody buys a controller without the system.

You spelled "argument" wrong.

You're avatar is more kiddy than a Transformers lunchbox.

Sorry, but the correct spelling would be "Your". "You're" means "You are". If we are going to correct spelling, at least spell correctly yourself. =/

Your avatar is so much better, right?

[QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

Did he not make it a PS3/360 issue? Yes or No?

Besides, posts without any kind of coherent punctuation makes my eyes hurt.

Hexagon_777

That doesn't justify you doing the same, you know? Especially if you apparently disapprove of such changes of topic.

You are changing the topic.

[QUOTE="GodHatesYankees"][QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Then why don't they buy the $40 controller instead of the $250 hard to find console? Answer: They buy GAMES that use the Wiimote. /threadEponique

Oh, the original "/thread".

Care to actually attack the arguement?

I will.....

Nobody buys a controller without the system.

You spelled "argument" wrong.

You're avatar is more kiddy than a Transformers lunchbox.

Correcting someone's correct spelling = ROFFLES!!!

So you're saying their willing to just buy the console and break the Wii Sports disc and just pretend they had a game and waggle the Wiimote?

And the dude in your avatar... No comment.

The Wii sold because of the Wiimote, a glorified gimmick.

The Wiimote was MORE of a selling point than the games.

Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

The Wii sold because of the Wiimote, a glorified gimmick.

The Wiimote was MORE of a selling point than the games.

Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

IronMaidenLives

The Wii sold because of how Wii Sports used the Wiimote, I bet if they had bundled Red Steel and that Wii Sports never existed it would have sold at PS3 levels.

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="GodHatesYankees"][QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Then why don't they buy the $40 controller instead of the $250 hard to find console? Answer: They buy GAMES that use the Wiimote. /threadIronMaidenLives

Oh, the original "/thread".

Care to actually attack the arguement?

I will.....

Nobody buys a controller without the system.

You spelled "argument" wrong.

You're avatar is more kiddy than a Transformers lunchbox.

Correcting someone's correct spelling = ROFFLES!!!

So you're saying their willing to just buy the console and break the Wii Sports disc and just pretend they had a game and waggle the Wiimote?

And the dude in your avatar... No comment.

The Wii sold because of the Wiimote, a glorified gimmick.

The Wiimote was MORE of a selling point than the games.

Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

Whatever the Wiimote is, the Wii is selling like mad and will get it's fair share of brilliant games because of that. You're just emphasizing this with your thread.

[QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"][QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="GodHatesYankees"][QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Then why don't they buy the $40 controller instead of the $250 hard to find console? Answer: They buy GAMES that use the Wiimote. /threadHexagon_777

Oh, the original "/thread".

Care to actually attack the arguement?

I will.....

Nobody buys a controller without the system.

You spelled "argument" wrong.

You're avatar is more kiddy than a Transformers lunchbox.

Correcting someone's correct spelling = ROFFLES!!!

So you're saying their willing to just buy the console and break the Wii Sports disc and just pretend they had a game and waggle the Wiimote?

And the dude in your avatar... No comment.

The Wii sold because of the Wiimote, a glorified gimmick.

The Wiimote was MORE of a selling point than the games.

Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

Whatever the Wiimote is, the Wii is selling like mad and will get it's fair share of brilliant games because of that. You're just emphasizing this with your thread.

So not only are you a lecturer on board behavior but you also seem to have a crystal ball.

I hope it gets it's fair share because I own a Wii. It sits there, waiting for these great games.

[QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]No, you're wrong. The Wii sold because of how Wii Sports used the Wiimote. If Red Steel was probably the pack in game and there was no Wii Sports. I can bet that the Wii would've at PS3 level.

The Wii sold because of the Wiimote, a glorified gimmick.

The Wiimote was MORE of a selling point than the games.

Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

Eponique

The Wii sold because of how Wii Sports used the Wiimote, I bet if they had bundled Red Steel and that Wii Sports never existed it would have sold at PS3 levels.

Way to keep messing up on those posts, buddy.

You can get rid of that first statement because I know I didn't say that.

The DS first sold because of the touch screen. Look at it now.

The PS2 first sold because it wasa cheap DVD player. Look at it now.