Fact: The PC does not have any AAAA to date. Consoles have lots of em' XD

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#101 deactivated-5f4694ac412a8
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Oh noez...

Why does this matter?

Do we only playAAAA games nowadays?!

Jeimseu

Nope, but we don't play just AAA or AA titles, either, so why the hell do we tally them, anyway? If AAAA scores don't matter, then I say to hell with the numerical scoring system.

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Sorry, but that's the assumption. This isn't about "What if" and "What could be". This is about "What IS." And the truth is, some of the greatest games in PC history, the games against which PC games in those genres are measured, received only average reviews, but later proved their true greatness through the test of time.

The fact that so many PC games released from 1994 to 2000 are on that list, while so few console games are on that list, pretty much proves (as much as something like this can be proven) that the PC has a much stronger legacy to which it can compare its current state. And the fact that so many of those 1994-2000 era games scored so low FURTHER proves that PC games are held to a higher standard, because THAT is how much they have to achieve even to just reach AA scores.

mjarantilla

Nothing your saying is fact, your basing your claims from an OPINION of Gamespots not the consensus of a whole or anything that can be proven because your missing data. I assure that the list wont be the same everywhere else. I can make the same argument in favor of consoles, only it would be just as subjective as your claims.

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#103 deactivated-5de2fb6a3a711
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Um..

Games such as Soul Calibur and THPS3 are considerd trash today.... More or less.. (Chrono cross and Oot are still pretty good though but especially Oot hasn't aged all that well)

omgimba

soul calibur still kicks ass. maybe a lot more than most recent games

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#104 deactivated-5f6dd6241fdcc
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It's just an opinion. Why is it so important on this site. I don't really care about these scores. Why? Because in my mind, those games aren't even close to being AAAA. No games are, but heres the dirty little secret: they are opinions and only opinions. It doesn't matter how many there are. As long as YOU know what which games mean to you, you shouldn't care about ANY other opinions. In my mind, I can name AT LEAST 50 games that top all of the AAAA titles on Gamespot. I'm not going to list them because... well, what's the point. People here don't care.
If you think games are better on consoles, keep it to yourself. Because YOUR opinions most likely wont effect the other persons opinion. Two people can argue day and night about which platform is the greatest, but the thing is that in the end it doesn't even matter. Because most likely the other person will just end up giving up. You can't compare the two. It's like religion when you think about it. It's like a conversation between an Atheist and a Christian. Both have their own opinion. And they most likely won't be "converted".
So just shut about about the whining. Sure, there aren't any AAAA titles for the PC on this site. But it's just ONE out of millions of stupid a** sites so who gives a damn?! Oh, and don't be a smarta** and say "wall of text". That just means you are an idiot. *Cox mode off* *bows* And I'm off!

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#108 mudman91878
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HELLO everyone ! I was looking at system wars, i see threads like "PC has jumped out further in the lead.", "PC Gaming Owns Your Soul! 2008! ( 56K , no love you. ) " "Dethroning the Console Graphics King (56k genocide) ..

So i was thinking.... OH really !? Oh Jesus, I jsut HAVE TO play some PC games !!

SO i went to check out what top games PC had. SO i filtered the GS's list to PC.

guess what!?

OMGzz... THE TOP GAME IS DIABLO .. 9.6.. and prob GTA3, VC and SA.

To date since GAMESPOT.com opened .....there hasn't been any AAAA for PC !!!

OMG !!! how can it be trueeEEEE ...

Then i check out consoles AAAA ... SO MANY ~!!

hahaha.

Fact: The PC does not have any AAAA to date. Consoles have lots of em' XD

Agree? no?

sdu_1111

When you argue games, PC wins, period. You can try and spin it however you want, but in the end, you'll lose the argument. when it comes to games, PC > consoles and there is NO arguing otherwise.

Deal with it.

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#109 mudman91878
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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Sorry, but that's the assumption. This isn't about "What if" and "What could be". This is about "What IS." And the truth is, some of the greatest games in PC history, the games against which PC games in those genres are measured, received only average reviews, but later proved their true greatness through the test of time.

The fact that so many PC games released from 1994 to 2000 are on that list, while so few console games are on that list, pretty much proves (as much as something like this can be proven) that the PC has a much stronger legacy to which it can compare its current state. And the fact that so many of those 1994-2000 era games scored so low FURTHER proves that PC games are held to a higher standard, because THAT is how much they have to achieve even to just reach AA scores.

Pro_wrestler

Nothing your saying is fact, your basing your claims from an OPINION of Gamespots not the consensus of a whole or anything that can be proven because your missing data. I assure that the list wont be the same everywhere else. I can make the same argument in favor of consoles, only it would be just as subjective as your claims.

No you can not make the same argument in favor of consoles. What he's saying is a general consensus amongst the gaming community. It isn't just one person's opinion that he's talking about.

How many console games 10 years old still have 50-100k people playing every day? That's how many people could be playing starcraft at any given time.

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#111 skrat_01
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What from every single console ever to be released?

:|

:lol:

Shoo shoo go play THPS3

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#112 vdastampede
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HELLO everyone ! I was looking at system wars, i see threads like "PC has jumped out further in the lead.", "PC Gaming Owns Your Soul! 2008! ( 56K , no love you. ) " "Dethroning the Console Graphics King (56k genocide) ..

So i was thinking.... OH really !? Oh Jesus, I jsut HAVE TO play some PC games !!

SO i went to check out what top games PC had. SO i filtered the GS's list to PC.

guess what!?

OMGzz... THE TOP GAME IS DIABLO .. 9.6.. and prob GTA3, VC and SA.

To date since GAMESPOT.com opened .....there hasn't been any AAAA for PC !!!

OMG !!! how can it be trueeEEEE ...

Then i check out consoles AAAA ... SO MANY ~!!

hahaha.

Fact: The PC does not have any AAAA to date. Consoles have lots of em' XD

Agree? no?

sdu_1111

So what exactly are you saying? That PC gaming is terrible? That consoles have better games than PC? That the PC isn't as good as PC fanboys claim they are? Because while you bring up an interesting point, I don't see a reason for me to care enough to not get a PC.

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#113 mjarantilla
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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Sorry, but that's the assumption. This isn't about "What if" and "What could be". This is about "What IS." And the truth is, some of the greatest games in PC history, the games against which PC games in those genres are measured, received only average reviews, but later proved their true greatness through the test of time.

The fact that so many PC games released from 1994 to 2000 are on that list, while so few console games are on that list, pretty much proves (as much as something like this can be proven) that the PC has a much stronger legacy to which it can compare its current state. And the fact that so many of those 1994-2000 era games scored so low FURTHER proves that PC games are held to a higher standard, because THAT is how much they have to achieve even to just reach AA scores.

Pro_wrestler

Nothing your saying is fact, your basing your claims from an OPINION of Gamespots not the consensus of a whole or anything that can be proven because your missing data. I assure that the list wont be the same everywhere else. I can make the same argument in favor of consoles, only it would be just as subjective as your claims.

Oh, here we go, another person pretending wisdom by fancily parroting the obvious old cliche, "That's only your opinion."

NO *BLEEP* SHERLOCK.

Maybe I should've added a *bleeping* disclaimer to my post? "some of the greatest games in PC history (DISCLAIMER: Based on the opinion of a large number of well-known and widely viewed and circulated professional gaming review sites and magazines)"

Yeah, I bloody well don't think so.

OF COURSE this is based on opinion. That's all reviews are, and if all you're going to do is regurgitate what is already obvious to anyone who has graduated from elementary school, then please step aside, be quiet, and let me continue my fun at the expense of the ignorant.

And in point of fact, there ARE facts in what I've said. It is FACT, for example, that there are more post-1994 PC games than post-1994 console games on GameSpot's "Greatest Games of All Time" list. It is also FACT that many of those PC games received scores of 8.0 to 8.9. And it may be only speculation that those games are regarded as standards of their respective genres, but it's a speculation that is popularly supported, at the very least for Counter-Strike / online shooters and Fallout / WRPGs.

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#114 hazuki
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[QUOTE="Kansrite"]

[QUOTE="flowdee79"]GTA IV is the only console AAAA I recall, am I missing something?Andrew_Xavier

the only other one i can think of is Legend of zelda: ocarina of time

Soul Caliber, Tony Hawk 3, Chrono Cross.

http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=games&mode=all&sort=score&dlx_type=all&sortdir=asc

Tony hawk 3 was on multiple consoles. Ocarina of time was on a gamecube disc, so I'd consider it not an exclusive either. Now chrono cross would be an exclusive.

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#115 laughingman42
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Gamespots greatest games of all time list. look at all of the PC games.
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#116 Danm_999
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Gamespots greatest games of all time list. look at all of the PC games.laughingman42

Yep, the PC has much higher standards.

Games on that greatest of all time list actually got AAs here. Shows you what you have to do to get AAA on PC.

There will probably never be a PC AAAAE. The competition is way too tough.

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#117 Danm_999
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ROFL anyone else fed up with "the PC has teh HIYER STANDARDS!!!1111" it's just really immature and completely unproven. why would it have higher standards? they're all freaking games at the end of the day. and that's why SMG got GOTY over crysis :roll: come on hermits you've got to do better than that in your defense :lol:crunchUK

We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres


Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards.

http://au.gamespot.com/misc/reviewguidelines.html

The only thing that's been "really immature and completely unproven" is your comprehension and knowledge of the GameSpot review process.

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#118 -Master_St3ve-
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The mindless garbage on SW lowers your IQ.
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#119 mjarantilla
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[QUOTE="laughingman42"]Gamespots greatest games of all time list. look at all of the PC games.Danm_999

Yep, the PC has much higher standards.

Games on that greatest of all time list actually got AAs here. Shows you what you have to do to get AAA on PC.

There will probably never be a PC AAAAE. The competition is way too tough.

Exactly. The fact that every console since the PS1 has had at least one AAAA, combined with the fact that the PC hasn't had any AAAAs, combined again with the fact that the PC dominates consoles on "Best Of All Time" lists compiled by highly regarded reviewers (including GameSpot and IGN) should be enough to settle without a doubt that the PC has higher standards, particularly for that coveted "perfect score."

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#120 Pro_wrestler
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Oh, here we go, another person pretending wisdom by fancily parroting the obvious old cliche, "That's only your opinion."

NO *BLEEP* SHERLOCK.

Maybe I should've added a *bleeping* disclaimer to my post? "some of the greatest games in PC history (DISCLAIMER: Based on the opinion of a large number of well-known and widely viewed and circulated professional gaming review sites and magazines)"

Yeah, I bloody well don't think so.

OF COURSE this is based on opinion. That's all reviews are, and if all you're going to do is regurgitate what is already obvious to anyone who has graduated from elementary school, then please step aside, be quiet, and let me continue my fun at the expense of the ignorant.

And in point of fact, there ARE facts in what I've said. It is FACT, for example, that there are more post-1994 PC games than post-1994 console games on GameSpot's "Greatest Games of All Time" list. It is also FACT that many of those PC games received scores of 8.0 to 8.9. And it may be only speculation that those games are regarded as standards of their respective genres, but it's a speculation that is popularly supported, at the very least for Counter-Strike / online shooters and Fallout / WRPGs.

mjarantilla

Oh I'm ruining your fun? And Yeah, a disclaimer would be nice next time :)

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#121 hamidious
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[QUOTE="Kansrite"]

[QUOTE="flowdee79"]GTA IV is the only console AAAA I recall, am I missing something?Andrew_Xavier

the only other one i can think of is Legend of zelda: ocarina of time

Soul Caliber, Tony Hawk 3, Chrono Cross.

http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=games&mode=all&sort=score&dlx_type=all&sortdir=asc

HAHAHA, what a joke, those games are barely AA stuff.
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#122 Lonelynight
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[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]Thanks for prooving, PC Standards are higher.

Its also funny that I can play all those AAAAs on the PC, except GTA4 which is only a matter of time. Andrew_Xavier

I always read that, but, like, recent reviews disprove this theory,
Mass Effect with the same textures, same story, same graphical glitches, and a slightly different psi/tech menu (since not all pcs have analog wheels, it would have been impossible for them to keep it the same), and a minor upgrade (squad command, not control, which was darn near present in x360, since you could control which guns your team used, and when they used psi/techs), was rated higher on the PC than on the x360. If PC had higher standards, wouldn't it be lower, since there were only minor changes, and the same problems were present?

Another game, Bioshock, exact same release date, exact same game, exact same score, wouldn't higher standards put it at a lower score on the PC than on the consoles?

As per your new point, none of the aformentioned games *soul caliber, chrono cross, zelda: OoT, TH3, GTA4* have come out for the PC, not GTA4 will, that's a given, but, the others will not.

Am I the only person who notice that it was a different reviewer?

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#123 AzatiS
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1) AAAA - 10

2) Only GTA4 is AAAA and will come to PC soon or later

3) PC got far more GAMES of the year or TRUE revolutionary games thru the years than ANY console ever.

4) And final just to end this. EVERY single game you playing on console and youre happy with it is made with PCs... What i mean? Without PCs = NO consoles // NO console games :) ... So dont be so rude VS PCs.

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#124 Meu2k7
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Got to love the ammount of damage control from Consolite since those 2 AAA's this week, and the potential for 2 more very soon.
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#125 mo0ksi
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System Shock 2 gets an 8.5, yet is widly regarded as the best FPS of all time.

Fallout 1+2 get AA scores, yet they're considered to be the best RPGs of all time.

Scores don't make the game.

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#126 skrat_01
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System Shock 2 gets an 8.5, yet is widly regarded as the best FPS of all time.

Fallout 1+2 get AA scores, yet they're considered to be the best RPGs of all time.

Scores don't make the game.

mo0ksi

Exactly.

If anything that is pure evidence of how much of a barstard PC standards are, and how PC reviewers are utter barstards to their own platform.

It is good to keep the standards high, but jeesh those two are easily AAA++ games.

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[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]

System Shock 2 gets an 8.5, yet is widly regarded as the best FPS of all time.

Fallout 1+2 get AA scores, yet they're considered to be the best RPGs of all time.

Scores don't make the game.

skrat_01

Exactly.

If anything that is pure evidence of how much of a barstard PC standards are, and how PC reviewers are utter barstards to their own platform.

It is good to keep the standards high, but jeesh those two are easily AAA++ games.

Hell System Shock 2 should have gotten the score that Half-Life did. I'm still pretty bewildered at exactly why the game is 8.5 on GS. Then you have games like The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion and Gears of War scoring 9.6 with reviewing standards a from a good 7 years later.

And CoH deserved 9.6 - 9.8 as well - come on, that game's almost perfect! If they did minor things like lengthening the campaign, adding more races and such it would come even closer to a 10.

I think standards have actually gone down for games with significant hype and marketing. Come on, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare scored the same (using the 1/20 GS scale) as Sins of a Solar Empire - a game which deserves a 9.5! Is it really a question of which of those two is by far the better game?

But I think a significant reason why PC games will sometimes score lower than their console counterparts, despite being better, citing case Gears of War vs Company of Heroes, is because of how buggy they can be. Which is really a problem with how PC Gaming actually operates - as many people know, optimization and bug-killing becomes significantly harder when there are hundreds of systems to play the game on.

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is a buggy game, and that is precisely the reason why it scored 8.5 and not the 9.0+ that it deserves. Why? Because of the truckload of framerate issues and such that comes with it as an unpatched game. Not that console games are immune to such things, citing case Mass Effect, but considering that consoles are much easier on the developers for polishing the game, it means that console games are less likely to have bugs and such crap.

Also, it seems that current reviewers are actually ignoring such flaws, and giving them supa-high scores depending on how hyped they are. I haven't played Grand Theft Auto IV, but as you can see, player reaction from a good bit of people on this forum isn't exactly 10/10.

I seriously cannot take reviewers seriously anymore - not when Call of Duty 2 scored higher than Deus Ex. Not when Command and Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars scores the same as Homeworld. Because in those two cases, there is no doubt to whichever game is by far superior.

And Halo: Combat Evolved at 9.7? :| I've only played the PC version which is said to play worse, but unless Halo Xbox happens to be better than the PC version with much more than just it's Co-Op mode and controls, I'm going to laugh like a mad maniac at that.

And in any case: Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast > Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare PC. Guess what? They scored the exact. Same.

This might sound like an anti-reviewer rant to promote my own disagreements with Gamespot's reviewers, but in the end, it is exactly like pretty much most people's ramblings: opinion.

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#128 adamosmaki
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Plus no game should get a 10. giving a game 10 is llike telling me there is no way to improve the next realese of the game and that no game is gonna come out that is better than this game. Simply there is no perfect game thus the 10 that they give in games is completly B******* since we all know ther is room for improvement . Oh did i mention how many AA and AAA games ther on PC. I guess i dont have to we all know that are way more than any console
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#129 Meu2k7
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Plus no game should get a 10. giving a game 10 is llike telling me there is no way to improve the next realese of the game and that no game is gonna come out that is better than this game. Simply there is no perfect game thus the 10 that they give in games is completly B******* since we all know ther is room for improvement . Oh did i mention how many AA and AAA games ther on PC. I guess i dont have to we all know that are way more than any consoleadamosmaki

In GTA4's case they took quite a few step backwards, and could of improved many things, I feel cheated with AAAA reviews on that, I enjoyed GTA3, Vice, San alot more than this reptitive dumbed down experiance, regaurdless of graphics, physics.

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#130 NFS102
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[QUOTE="Kansrite"]

[QUOTE="flowdee79"]GTA IV is the only console AAAA I recall, am I missing something?Andrew_Xavier

the only other one i can think of is Legend of zelda: ocarina of time

Soul Caliber, Tony Hawk 3, Chrono Cross.

http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=games&mode=all&sort=score&dlx_type=all&sortdir=asc

And RE5 in a bit ;)

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#131 NFS102
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Plus no game should get a 10. giving a game 10 is llike telling me there is no way to improve the next realese of the game and that no game is gonna come out that is better than this game. Simply there is no perfect game thus the 10 that they give in games is completly B******* since we all know ther is room for improvement . Oh did i mention how many AA and AAA games ther on PC. I guess i dont have to we all know that are way more than any consoleadamosmaki

Gspot's definition of a "10" score:

This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can aspire to be at its time of release. Obviously, the constantly changing standards for technology and gameplay will probably make this game obsolete some day, but at its time of release, a game earning this score could not have been improved upon in any meaningful way.

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#132 Vaan7
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AAAA Topic, hermits need to learn that their place is not with the industry leaders (consoles).
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#133 Danm_999
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AAAA Topic, hermits need to learn that their place is not with the industry leaders (consoles).Vaan7

Your half right there.

Hermits don't really fit in with the consoles, but to call the consoles the industry leaders is laughable.

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#134 adamosmaki
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[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]Plus no game should get a 10. giving a game 10 is llike telling me there is no way to improve the next realese of the game and that no game is gonna come out that is better than this game. Simply there is no perfect game thus the 10 that they give in games is completly B******* since we all know ther is room for improvement . Oh did i mention how many AA and AAA games ther on PC. I guess i dont have to we all know that are way more than any consoleNFS102

Gspot's definition of a "10" score:

This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can aspire to be at its time of release. Obviously, the constantly changing standards for technology and gameplay will probably make this game obsolete some day, but at its time of release, a game earning this score could not have been improved upon in any meaningful way.

And what if the very next day a similar type game comes out and is better?

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#135 DaBrainz
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HELLO everyone ! I was looking at system wars, i see threads like "PC has jumped out further in the lead.", "PC Gaming Owns Your Soul! 2008! ( 56K , no love you. ) " "Dethroning the Console Graphics King (56k genocide) ..

So i was thinking.... OH really !? Oh Jesus, I jsut HAVE TO play some PC games !!

SO i went to check out what top games PC had. SO i filtered the GS's list to PC.

guess what!?

OMGzz... THE TOP GAME IS DIABLO .. 9.6.. and prob GTA3, VC and SA.

To date since GAMESPOT.com opened .....there hasn't been any AAAA for PC !!!

OMG !!! how can it be trueeEEEE ...

Then i check out consoles AAAA ... SO MANY ~!!

hahaha.

Fact: The PC does not have any AAAA to date. Consoles have lots of em' XD

Agree? no?

sdu_1111

Well the fact that your using gamespot review scores as some kind of proof that those games are better defeated your whole argument.

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#136 organic_machine
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That's it, PC gaming is dead. No GS AAAAs? The industry is over. We're doomed.
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#137 Jeimseu
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[QUOTE="Jeimseu"]

Oh noez...

Why does this matter?

Do we only playAAAA games nowadays?!

DeathScape666

Nope, but we don't play just AAA or AA titles, either, so why the hell do we tally them, anyway? If AAAA scores don't matter, then I say to hell with the numerical scoring system.

Exactly. I reckon its just down to people trying to prove to themselves, that they have spent their money well.

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#138 mjarantilla
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="mo0ksi"]

System Shock 2 gets an 8.5, yet is widly regarded as the best FPS of all time.

Fallout 1+2 get AA scores, yet they're considered to be the best RPGs of all time.

Scores don't make the game.

aliblabla2007

Exactly.

If anything that is pure evidence of how much of a barstard PC standards are, and how PC reviewers are utter barstards to their own platform.

It is good to keep the standards high, but jeesh those two are easily AAA++ games.

Hell System Shock 2 should have gotten the score that Half-Life did. I'm still pretty bewildered at exactly why the game is 8.5 on GS. Then you have games like The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion and Gears of War scoring 9.6 with reviewing standards a from a good 7 years later.

And CoH deserved 9.6 - 9.8 as well - come on, that game's almost perfect! If they did minor things like lengthening the campaign, adding more races and such it would come even closer to a 10.

I think standards have actually gone down for games with significant hype and marketing. Come on, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare scored the same (using the 1/20 GS scale) as Sins of a Solar Empire - a game which deserves a 9.5! Is it really a question of which of those two is by far the better game?

But I think a significant reason why PC games will sometimes score lower than their console counterparts, despite being better, citing case Gears of War vs Company of Heroes, is because of how buggy they can be. Which is really a problem with how PC Gaming actually operates - as many people know, optimization and bug-killing becomes significantly harder when there are hundreds of systems to play the game on.

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is a buggy game, and that is precisely the reason why it scored 8.5 and not the 9.0+ that it deserves. Why? Because of the truckload of framerate issues and such that comes with it as an unpatched game. Not that console games are immune to such things, citing case Mass Effect, but considering that consoles are much easier on the developers for polishing the game, it means that console games are less likely to have bugs and such crap.

Also, it seems that current reviewers are actually ignoring such flaws, and giving them supa-high scores depending on how hyped they are. I haven't played Grand Theft Auto IV, but as you can see, player reaction from a good bit of people on this forum isn't exactly 10/10.

I seriously cannot take reviewers seriously anymore - not when Call of Duty 2 scored higher than Deus Ex. Not when Command and Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars scores the same as Homeworld. Because in those two cases, there is no doubt to whichever game is by far superior.

And Halo: Combat Evolved at 9.7? :| I've only played the PC version which is said to play worse, but unless Halo Xbox happens to be better than the PC version with much more than just it's Co-Op mode and controls, I'm going to laugh like a mad maniac at that.

And in any case: Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast > Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare PC. Guess what? They scored the exact. Same.

This might sound like an anti-reviewer rant to promote my own disagreements with Gamespot's reviewers, but in the end, it is exactly like pretty much most people's ramblings: opinion.

Standards have definitely fallen, even for PC games, and I think it's due in large part to the fact that it shares many games with the 360. Look at the games you've singled out as having had their scores inflated, and most of them were originally console games. GameSpot probably just gave the PC versions the same scores as the 360 versions because they didn't want to rewrite their reviews. PC-exclusive games, however, are given more scrutiny.

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#139 Fumpa
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PC gaming is still a lot more fun in some ways. And I prefer the keyboard mouse setup over the controller. Also having the keyboard mouse opens up options gameplay.

So you cant think of a game on the PC that got a AAAA. Whoop-dee-doo.

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#140 HuusAsking
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Another game, Bioshock, exact same release date, exact same game, exact same score, wouldn't higher standards put it at a lower score on the PC than on the consoles?

Andrew_Xavier
BioShock featured higher-resolution textures and DirectX 10 enhancements for Windows Vista. Trust me, it really looks good when you crank the graphics to the max. That probably balanced the score.
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#141 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="NFS102"]

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]Plus no game should get a 10. giving a game 10 is llike telling me there is no way to improve the next realese of the game and that no game is gonna come out that is better than this game. Simply there is no perfect game thus the 10 that they give in games is completly B******* since we all know ther is room for improvement . Oh did i mention how many AA and AAA games ther on PC. I guess i dont have to we all know that are way more than any consoleadamosmaki

Gspot's definition of a "10" score:

This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can aspire to be at its time of release. Obviously, the constantly changing standards for technology and gameplay will probably make this game obsolete some day, but at its time of release, a game earning this score could not have been improved upon in any meaningful way.

And what if the very next day a similar type game comes out and is better?

The idea for the Prime score is that no such thing should exist--IOW, they take potential improvements into consideration. Unless a game comes out the next day that manages to pull off an inconceivable improvement, they've probably figured potenial featues into the score.
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#142 mjarantilla
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[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

Another game, Bioshock, exact same release date, exact same game, exact same score, wouldn't higher standards put it at a lower score on the PC than on the consoles?

HuusAsking

BioShock featured higher-resolution textures and DirectX 10 enhancements for Windows Vista. Trust me, it really looks good when you crank the graphics to the max. That probably balanced the score.

No, I think that BioShock scoring the same on PC and 360 was just a case of GameSpot being too lazy to review both games individually relative to their respective platforms. Same with COD2 and COD4 and half a dozen other PC/360 games.

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#143 warmaster670
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AAAA Topic, hermits need to learn that their place is not with the industry leaders (consoles).Vaan7

oh noez!!!! to bad theres not even a AAAA game per console, and as its been mentioned many times, the amount of AAA/AA games matters more than not even a handful of AAAA games.

nice try though, all teh most epci games come to the pc.

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#144 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="bobbetybob"]Like 1,000 AAA's > 300 AAA's and 5 or 6 AAAA's....sdu_1111

Well I think the sad part about saying that consoles have lots of them is that you have to include like 6 different consoles and even then they don't have "lots" of AAAA games.

hey hey hey .... Tony hawk and crono cross runs on the ps3 doesn't it.

den again, even if you build a billion dollar gaming rig it won't run anything AAAA on it, cause it doesn't have one =P

Be careful. There are ways to run Chrono Cross, Tony Hawk 3 (the PS2 version), and Ocarina of Time on a PC if you know what you're doing. Chrono Chross could be played on a machine that's a few years old, a slightly younger one should handle Ocarina of Time, and a reasonably recent Core 2 rig could probably pull off Tony Hawk 3 at playable rates (unfortunately, detailing just how it could be done runs afoul of GameSpot TOS--it's a legal gray area).

PS. Anyway, the scores have to be scaled down with the passage of time. That's why the VC version of OOT on Wii only scored a high 8.

Ironically, the one "old" perfect 10 that's out of reach of even the PC is also the only one on an unsupported platform (at least the PS1, PS2, and N64 are being supported by successor consoles).

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#145 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

Another game, Bioshock, exact same release date, exact same game, exact same score, wouldn't higher standards put it at a lower score on the PC than on the consoles?

mjarantilla

BioShock featured higher-resolution textures and DirectX 10 enhancements for Windows Vista. Trust me, it really looks good when you crank the graphics to the max. That probably balanced the score.

No, I think that BioShock scoring the same on PC and 360 was just a case of GameSpot being too lazy to review both games individually relative to their respective platforms. Same with COD2 and COD4 and half a dozen other PC/360 games.

They wouldn't go that route if one of the versions stood out. If none did, then a common review is understandable. In the case of BioShock, each version played to the platform's strengths (the 360 verion uses the 360 well, same for the PC version--the PS3 version will also likely follow suit, so I also call 9.0 on this version), so those strengths didn't need to be singled out. Then again, explain the score difference between the 360, PS3, and PC versions of Oblivion (and ironically, the lowest-scoring version is the best of the lot).
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#146 mjarantilla
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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

Another game, Bioshock, exact same release date, exact same game, exact same score, wouldn't higher standards put it at a lower score on the PC than on the consoles?

HuusAsking

BioShock featured higher-resolution textures and DirectX 10 enhancements for Windows Vista. Trust me, it really looks good when you crank the graphics to the max. That probably balanced the score.

No, I think that BioShock scoring the same on PC and 360 was just a case of GameSpot being too lazy to review both games individually relative to their respective platforms. Same with COD2 and COD4 and half a dozen other PC/360 games.

They wouldn't go that route if one of the versions stood out. If none did, then a common review is understandable. In the case of BioShock, each version played to the platform's strengths (the 360 verion uses the 360 well, same for the PC version--the PS3 version will also likely follow suit, so I also call 9.0 on this version), so those strengths didn't need to be singled out. Then again, explain the score difference between the 360, PS3, and PC versions of Oblivion (and ironically, the lowest-scoring version is the best of the lot).

Greg Kasavin. :P

Or the older scoring method. I don't know which, but the NEW scoring method has encouraged that type of lazy reviewing.

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#147 GodLovesDead
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I can play all console AAAAs on my PC up until GTA 4. I own GTA4 and the game really isn't 10/10 worthy. Dedicated hermits, you aren't missing out on much.
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#148 sdu_1111
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This is the TC here.

When in the crap did AA and AAA came into the topic?

We're talking about perfect 10s here on Gamespot.

Shoo hermits, you' ppl hav nuthin to talk about, since its concernin AAAAs.

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#149 mjarantilla
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This is the TC here.

When in the crap did AA and AAA came into the topic?

We're talking about perfect 10s here on Gamespot.

Shoo hermits, you' ppl hav nuthin to talk about, since its concernin AAAAs.

sdu_1111

AAAA = meaningless

GameSpot has only one AAAA on its "Greatest Games of All Time" list.

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#150 sdu_1111
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[QUOTE="sdu_1111"]

This is the TC here.

When in the crap did AA and AAA came into the topic?

We're talking about perfect 10s here on Gamespot.

Shoo hermits, you' ppl hav nuthin to talk about, since its concernin AAAAs.

mjarantilla

AAAA = meaningless

GameSpot has only one AAAA on its "Greatest Games of All Time" list.

are you sir, in great denial of teh power of teh AAAA on system wars...