Fallout 3 vs. Fallout New Vegas-- Which Is Better Today?

I notice that games like NV are ridden with bugs, but I'm amazed with the list of fixes the game has had.

List. Of. Fixes.

It's no excuse, but I've recently picked up New Vegas because of the fact that the game's bugs have largely been dealt with seemingly. I dont think I've ever seen any other single player game that was this broken enough to warrant so much ironing out, and I've always been curious as to how NV would have been perceived if the bugs were equal or less to that of Fallout 3.

All that considered, what do you think was/is the better game? (Please leave out all spoilers)

I liked them both, but I actually really got into New Vegas, which is one of the best RPGs I've ever played. Fallout 3 was OK. I enjoyed it, but I was never really interested.

New Vegas is far superior.

Fallout 3 hands down. I gave Fallout 3 a 10 and Fallout New Vegas an 8.

New Vegas, easily.

Much better NPCs, better setup (no long, pointless intro), the refined karma and faction system is better than anything Fallout 3 could dream of in that department. Gunplay felt a lot better in New Vegas as well. Bug wise, after the day one patch on PC, I had very few bugs/crashes/etc, nothing game breaking.

Fallout 3 is a great game, don't get me wrong, but New Vegas felt a lot more like a sequel to the original fallout titles.

The options you get for the ending are amazing too, I won't spoil it or anything, but one choice in particular makes you feel like the biggest badass ever.

New Vegas by leaps and bounds.

Fallout 3 for me. My favorite game of all time.

Fallout 3 hands down. I gave Fallout 3 a 10 and Fallout New Vegas an 8.

KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

Fallout 3 hands down. I gave Fallout 3 a 10 and Fallout New Vegas an 8.

Alpha-Male22

I liked fallout 3 more

I much prefer Fallout 3, everything was better.

Fallout New Vegas just didn't feel right. It's like Obsidian made a long list of things that needed changed and just shoehorned them all in there without bothering to see if they actually improved anything. While iron sights would normally be good, they don't actually improve the wonky aiming, they are purely aesthetic and aiming still feels just as bad. the karma system was ruined (karma loss for killing ghouls, but no karma loss for killing humans?), I was annoyed of being labeled good after murdering half of the Mohave.

Fallout New Vegas should include some type of forgiveness system, after greatly helping a faction, there should be some type of forgiveness, either by payment or waiting over time, for accidently assault, stealing petty items, or turning off a jukebox. If you do something wrong and don't reload a save immediately, then your relationship with that faction is basically cut off. Also, since you're a freelance roamer basically, you shouldn't be able to work with only one faction, you should still be able to work with the other factions as long as you don't anything to severely piss of another faction. A faction you're trying to help shouldn't kill you on sight because you're helping another.

The New Vegas dialogue is also disappointing, you can't have any emotions or be evil or nice with the dialogue, the responses sound like a robot looking for information. Everyone in Fallout New Vegas also has no emotion, you think they'd be a bit more angry or sad after the apocalypse or in their conditions, guess not... Fallout 3's dialogue was amusing and realistic, some peole were nice, some people were cruel, some people were emotionless, some were psychotic, etc.

The quests all feel very generic and aren't memorable like many in Fallout 3. Also, the locations are extremely dissappointing; most consist of just an empty bed and scrap metal. Even locations that sounded awesome like the Strip are just full of unnamed NPCs that repeat the same three lines of dialogue. Not to mention the glitches.... and there werea lot...

Fallout New Vegas should include some type of forgiveness system, after greatly helping a faction, there should be some type of forgiveness, either by payment or waiting over time, for accidently assault, stealing petty items, or turning off a jukebox. If you do something wrong and don't reload a save immediately, then your relationship with that faction is basically cut off. Also, since you're a freelance roamer basically, you shouldn't be able to work with only one faction, you should still be able to work with the other factions as long as you don't anything to severely piss of another faction. A faction you're trying to help shouldn't kill you on sight because you're helping another.

StealthMonkey4

The laws of the wasteland are quite different then those in real life. If you're helping an enemy, there is no reason for a faction to accept your help. I also had to kill a ****-ton of ceaser legion at the end to from good karma with them, to negative karma. I don't think anything minor has ever gotten me into trouble. I never commited any sort of accidental assult though, or stole without being sure no one was around.

I repsect you going to the extent to explain it, though I felt quite the opposite in many ways. Something about the dialog clicked with me in a more fallout fashion than 3 had.

I much prefer Fallout 3, everything was better.

Fallout New Vegas just didn't feel right. It's like Obsidian made a long list of things that needed changed and just shoehorned them all in there without bothering to see if they actually improved anything. While iron sights would normally be good, they don't actually improve the wonky aiming, they are purely aesthetic and aiming still feels just as bad. the karma system was ruined (karma loss for killing ghouls, but no karma loss for killing humans?), I was annoyed of being labeled good after murdering half of the Mohave.

Fallout New Vegas should include some type of forgiveness system, after greatly helping a faction, there should be some type of forgiveness, either by payment or waiting over time, for accidently assault, stealing petty items, or turning off a jukebox. If you do something wrong and don't reload a save immediately, then your relationship with that faction is basically cut off. Also, since you're a freelance roamer basically, you shouldn't be able to work with only one faction, you should still be able to work with the other factions as long as you don't anything to severely piss of another faction. A faction you're trying to help shouldn't kill you on sight because you're helping another.

The New Vegas dialogue is also disappointing, you can't have any emotions or be evil or nice with the dialogue, the responses sound like a robot looking for information. Everyone in Fallout New Vegas also has no emotion, you think they'd be a bit more angry or sad after the apocalypse or in their conditions, guess not... Fallout 3's dialogue was amusing and realistic, some peole were nice, some people were cruel, some people were emotionless, some were psychotic, etc.

The quests all feel very generic and aren't memorable like many in Fallout 3. Also, the locations are extremely dissappointing; most consist of just an empty bed and scrap metal. Even locations that sounded awesome like the Strip are just full of unnamed NPCs that repeat the same three lines of dialogue. Not to mention the glitches.... and there werea lot...

StealthMonkey4

As far as I'm concerned Fallout 3 never happened and for all intents and purposes Fallout: New Vegas IS Fallout 3.

I agree with everything you said. On top of that I felt the story was weaker in Fallout New Vegas and the crafting/factions sounded cool on paper but just didn't add much and were tedious.

KC_Hokie

Story was one thing I definitly felt was weakest in Fallout 3. You're essentially chasing down your dad all game to get water. Everything in New Vegas happened on a much grander and epic scale. I believe you said you didn't finish New Vegas in another thread, but what you can accomplish by the ending is a lot cooler than in Fallout 3.

Like, [spoiler] It was pretty lame in vanilla Fallout 3 how you had to go into radiation and die even with a super mutant, meters away from you [/spoiler] it was like they were trying to make you feel something for them, but all you could feel was how stupid they were.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

I agree with everything you said. On top of that I felt the story was weaker in Fallout New Vegas and the crafting/factions sounded cool on paper but just didn't add much and were tedious.

110million

Story was one thing I definitly felt was weakest in Fallout 3. You're essentially chasing down your dad all game to get water. Everything in New Vegas happened on a much grander and epic scale. I believe you said you didn't finish New Vegas in another thread, but what you can accomplish by the ending is a lot cooler than in Fallout 3.

Like, it was like they were trying to make you feel something for them, but all you could feel was how stupid they were.

Having stories starting with 'you don't know who you are or how you go there' is the weakest in existence.

Getting shot in the head and not knowing who you are was an even worse story than Fallout 3. The only thing worse is being a clone and not knowing you who are.

Having stories starting with 'you don't know who you are or how you go there' is the weakest in existence.

KC_Hokie

Wait, did you not play New Vegas?

That is absolutly not what happened at all. You were a courier, the main character knew that. You go after benny because he took your delivery and wanted to find out why he wanted to kill you.

You need details at the start, since getting shot and buried means you probably won't know what happenes 100% around that time. When you find the great khans later on, you recocnize them, before they say anything about you.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

Getting shot in the head and not knowing who you are was an even worse story than Fallout 3. The only thing worse is being a clone and not knowing you who are.

Having stories starting with 'you don't know who you are or how you go there' is the weakest in existence.

110million

Wait, did you not play New Vegas?

That is absolutly not what happened at all. You were a courier, the main character knew that. You go after benny because he took your delivery and wanted to find out why he wanted to kill you.

[QUOTE="110million"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

Getting shot in the head and not knowing who you are was an even worse story than Fallout 3. The only thing worse is being a clone and not knowing you who are.

Having stories starting with 'you don't know who you are or how you go there' is the weakest in existence.

KC_Hokie

Wait, did you not play New Vegas?

That is absolutly not what happened at all. You were a courier, the main character knew that. You go after benny because he took your delivery and wanted to find out why he wanted to kill you.

New Vegas is so superior that making a comparison becomes a mathematical absurd, considering we should assume it's opinable.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="110million"]

Wait, did you not play New Vegas?

That is absolutly not what happened at all. You were a courier, the main character knew that. You go after benny because he took your delivery and wanted to find out why he wanted to kill you.

lawlessx

Yea you figure that out later on. You don't know that at first.

KC_Hokie

:lol: What?

Yea you figure that out later on. You don't know that at first.

KC_Hokie

He doesn't have amnesia though. He needs to be told about benny since obviously he doesn't know who he is. He hasn't forgotten anything, and he still recocnized the specific great khans with benny himself.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yea you figure that out later on. You don't know that at first.

Mograine

:lol: What?

Yes but not from the start. And the more you play the more you find out about yourself.

KC_Hokie

Not really. Being shot in the head did not give the character amnesia. He knew he was a courier right from the start.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yes but not from the start. And the more you play the more you find out about yourself.

Mograine

Not really. Being shot in the head did not give the character amnesia. He knew he was a courier right from the start.

I've only played fallout 3 a little bit, but so far I think it's a pretty mediocre game. Between the extreme ease of the game, constant freezing (even with most recent patch and community patch), and boring characters, I just don't get why someone would enjoy it for anything other than the exploration part of the game. I have to admit it is pretty cool to see DC in a post apoctalyptic setting.

Haven't played New Vegas, but I want to get it.

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Yea you figure that out later on. You don't know that at first.

Slashkice

I just started New Vegas earlier this month and you do know that from the start like others have mentioned.

Just a really really weak story.

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yea you figure that out later on. You don't know that at first.

KC_Hokie

:lol: What?

Yes you do. The courier remembers everything that happened to him/her. He just doesn't know why.

No the doctor who fixes you up tells you that. KC_Hokie

So how does the character remember the guy in a checkered suit and the khan group? Did the doctor tell him that too?

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Mograine"]

:lol: What?

Thefatness16

Yes you do. The courier remembers everything that happened to him/her. He just doesn't know why.

Yes, because you are told by the Dr. But you have no idea who you were working for or anything. You don't know what your mission is, etc.

Just a really really weak story.

KC_Hokie

Shows how much attention you actually paid to the story.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]No the doctor who fixes you up tells you that. Mograine

So how does the character remember the guy in a checkered suit and the khan group? Did the doctor tell him that too?

He is wrong, and I don't see why he is so against admitting it.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yes, because you are told by the Dr. But you have no idea who you were working for or anything. You don't know what your mission is, etc.

Just a really really weak story.

Mograine

Shows how much attention you actually paid to the story.

Anyone who says Fallout 3 has either A) Not played New Vegas at all, or B) Has not played New Vegas since it actually became playable. It's a way better game than Fallout 3.

It's a really weak story. That's the point.KC_Hokie

And Fallout 3's better?

"Looking for my father. Middle aged guy." :lol:

It's a really weak story. That's the point.KC_Hokie

You can't call a story weak when you made up parts of it yourself.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]It's a really weak story. That's the point.Mograine

And Fallout 3's better?

"Looking for my father. Middle aged guy." :lol:

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]It's a really weak story. That's the point.110million

You can't call a story weak when you made up parts of it yourself.

Yes. And I honestly didn't think that was possible. KC_Hokie

Do yourself a favor and replay New Vegas, will you.

[QUOTE="110million"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]It's a really weak story. That's the point.KC_Hokie

You can't call a story weak when you made up parts of it yourself.

Being shot was more boring than having to sit through a 10 year old's birthday party and schoolhouse bullies?