Famitsu Sales week -Switch has Japan with an iron fist, playstation is dead

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#51 hardwenzen
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@nintendoboy16 said:
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Game releases wise, the Switch is Vita's brother.

Cows pooping on lems saying how they have no games. Lems pooping on cows saying how the ps5 launched with no games. But the reality is, the Switch is in such a poorer state that many feel bad for even talking about it. Never have we seen a system this lacking in games. Worse time to be a sheep since the WiiU failure days. I don't know what keeps your moral up knowing that the only three games that are annouced, have 2% of coming out on the Switch and one of the three (Bayo3) might not come out at all at this point.

Being a sheep is paintful in 2021 😪

Again, you're comparing a near top selling platform that's built a wide variety of games over the years, to a low selling system that made Sony dropped handheld gaming on it's SECOND run! Not to mention, it's library was lacking compared to 3DS (it's main competition).

oh my gawd. its always sales sales sales. Are you gonna be playing sales in 2021? Great, enjoy playing your sales. 2022 arrives, you will be playing sales as well, great game btw 😃

I am not comparing it to the Vita for their success, obviously. We're talking about games, games that are coming out, not something that came out in 2016. And when that's taken into consideration, its as if Nintendo/Switch is allergic to games.

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@hardwenzen said:
@nintendoboy16 said:

Again, you're comparing a near top selling platform that's built a wide variety of games over the years, to a low selling system that made Sony dropped handheld gaming on it's SECOND run! Not to mention, it's library was lacking compared to 3DS (it's main competition).

oh my gawd. its always sales sales sales. Are you gonna be playing sales in 2021? Great, enjoy playing your sales. 2022 arrives, you will be playing sales as well, great game btw 😃

I am not comparing it to the Vita for their success, obviously. We're talking about games, games that are coming out, not something that came out in 2016. And when that's taken into consideration, its as if Nintendo/Switch is allergic to games.

And games, games, games! It's just not (always) the big AAA stuff you expect. Besides, aren't you clamoring for that Monster Hunter game that's top of the Japanese charts right now?

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#53  Edited By deactivated-618bc23e9b1c9
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Switch is better than Xbox and Playstation. Not much else needs to be said.

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@shadyacshuns said:

Switch is better than Xbox and Playstation. Not much else needs to be said.

Why.

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@hardwenzen said:
@shadyacshuns said:

Switch is better than Xbox and Playstation. Not much else needs to be said.

Why.

Hybrid design, the games.

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@hardwenzen said:
@nintendoboy16 said:

Again, you're comparing a near top selling platform that's built a wide variety of games over the years, to a low selling system that made Sony dropped handheld gaming on it's SECOND run! Not to mention, it's library was lacking compared to 3DS (it's main competition).

oh my gawd. its always sales sales sales. Are you gonna be playing sales in 2021? Great, enjoy playing your sales. 2022 arrives, you will be playing sales as well, great game btw 😃

I am not comparing it to the Vita for their success, obviously. We're talking about games, games that are coming out, not something that came out in 2016. And when that's taken into consideration, its as if Nintendo/Switch is allergic to games.

Sales DO matter in a business sense. How else will developers be able to fund your next AAA game that isn't so much a disappointment like Cyberpunk 2077 has been? (Granted I overhyped it and enjoyed it). Sales are still a life blood for every game developer to put food on their table, as well as to keep their studios open. That's while we use sales. Welcome to Capitalism 101 where the basic fundamental rule is understanding Supply and Demand

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#57 nintendoboy16
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@FireEmblem_Man said:

@nintendoboy16: you need to learn to relax

I know... just hate BS being spewed.

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#58  Edited By hardwenzen
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@nintendoboy16 said:
@hardwenzen said:
@nintendoboy16 said:

Again, you're comparing a near top selling platform that's built a wide variety of games over the years, to a low selling system that made Sony dropped handheld gaming on it's SECOND run! Not to mention, it's library was lacking compared to 3DS (it's main competition).

oh my gawd. its always sales sales sales. Are you gonna be playing sales in 2021? Great, enjoy playing your sales. 2022 arrives, you will be playing sales as well, great game btw 😃

I am not comparing it to the Vita for their success, obviously. We're talking about games, games that are coming out, not something that came out in 2016. And when that's taken into consideration, its as if Nintendo/Switch is allergic to games.

And games, games, games! It's just not (always) the big AAA stuff you expect. Besides, aren't you clamoring for that Monster Hunter game that's top of the Japanese charts right now?

I was until i fund out that Rise is the easiest and the most content lacking MH game in a long time (maybe even ever?).

You don't need to release a bunch of AAA per year, but you need at least a couple. What do they have for holiday season? Nothing. Lets say they don't have any AAA titles, but what about AA ones? Where are they at?

Why are people buying Nintendo systems? The casuals buy it for their gimmicks. Actual gamers buy it for Nintendo exclusives, hopefully. Where are those nintendo exclusives at? Or are we supposed to believe that playing BotW, a WiiU port, is enough for years of enjoyment for those who are into rpg's/adventure games? You gotta release new games. People can't be permanently stuck playing half a decade old titles because there's nothing new.

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I don't see how anyone can only own a Switch or use it as their primary gaming platform. Performance for the limited selection of 3rd party games it does get is abysmal. The online infrastructure is absolutely terrible. The only thing I use it for is the first party exclusives.

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@shadyacshuns said:
@hardwenzen said:
@shadyacshuns said:

Switch is better than Xbox and Playstation. Not much else needs to be said.

Why.

Hybrid design, the games.

What games?

And why is hybrid design that runs most everything in 20fps/580-720p/Ultra Low settings better?

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@hardwenzen said:
@shadyacshuns said:
@hardwenzen said:
@shadyacshuns said:

Switch is better than Xbox and Playstation. Not much else needs to be said.

Why.

Hybrid design, the games.

What games?

And why is hybrid design that runs most everything in 20fps/580-720p/Ultra Low settings better?

You're missing the entire point of gaming, and about your ^ above comment, stop talking about games you know nothing about.

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#62  Edited By nintendoboy16
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I was until i fund out that Rise is the easiest and the most content lacking MH game in a long time (maybe even ever?).

You don't need to release a bunch of AAA per year, but you need at least a couple. What do they have for holiday season? Nothing. Lets say they don't have any AAA titles, but what about AA ones? Where are they at?

Why are people buying Nintendo systems? The casuals buy it for their gimmicks. Actual gamers buy it for Nintendo exclusives, hopefully. Where are those nintendo exclusives at? Or are supposed to believe that playing BotW, a WiiU port, is enough for years of enjoyment for those who are into rpg's/adventure games? You gotta release new games. People can't be permanently stuck playing half a decade old titles because there's nothing new.

"The casuals buy it for gimmicks."

Playing on the go? Has more longevity than motion controls (Wii) or two screens (Wii U). Besides that... what else? What is the main focus of the Switch?

"Actual gamers buy it for Nintendo exclusives, hopefully."

Define 'actual gamers'. Because that is a separation of people that enjoy games.

"Where are those nintendo exclusives at? Or are supposed to believe that playing BotW, a WiiU port, is enough for years of enjoyment for those who are into rpg's/adventure games?"

I'm seeing people talk Smash and Animal Crossing (which released last year) WAY more than BOTW these days. Hell, Octopath Traveller, a third party game (Square Enix) was a success on the Switch if you're talking RPG's.

"You gotta release new games. People can't be permanently stuck playing half a decade old titles because there's nothing new."

And they will come! I just know for a fact that NONE will be for you when they DO release.

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#63 hardwenzen
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@FireEmblem_Man said:
@hardwenzen said:
@nintendoboy16 said:

Again, you're comparing a near top selling platform that's built a wide variety of games over the years, to a low selling system that made Sony dropped handheld gaming on it's SECOND run! Not to mention, it's library was lacking compared to 3DS (it's main competition).

oh my gawd. its always sales sales sales. Are you gonna be playing sales in 2021? Great, enjoy playing your sales. 2022 arrives, you will be playing sales as well, great game btw 😃

I am not comparing it to the Vita for their success, obviously. We're talking about games, games that are coming out, not something that came out in 2016. And when that's taken into consideration, its as if Nintendo/Switch is allergic to games.

Sales DO matter in a business sense. How else will developers be able to fund your next AAA game that isn't so much a disappointment like Cyberpunk 2077 has been? (Granted I overhyped it and enjoyed it). Sales are still a life blood for every game developer to put food on their table, as well as to keep their studios open. That's while we use sales. Welcome to Capitalism 101 where the basic fundamental rule is understanding Supply and Demand

Sales do matter, but you can't be responding with "my system sold more than yours, bro" every time someone criticizes it for having poor performance (visually or technically), have archaic online infrastructure or have no games since last year and absolutely nothing on the horizon.

What's more insane to me is seeing a system with THIS MUCH sales have nothing going on for it for two straight years in a row. Now, if this was a brand new system, the first year or so are rough, but the Switch has no excuses of being this deserted in the games department, and not for one, but two years straight (and its not like 2019 was hot to begin with).

Such a successful system should be spamming you with more games than ads on pr0nhub.

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@shadyacshuns said:
@hardwenzen said:
@shadyacshuns said:
@hardwenzen said:
@shadyacshuns said:

Switch is better than Xbox and Playstation. Not much else needs to be said.

Why.

Hybrid design, the games.

What games?

And why is hybrid design that runs most everything in 20fps/580-720p/Ultra Low settings better?

You're missing the entire point of gaming, and about your ^ above comment, stop talking about games you know nothing about.

I mean, i would like to learn about said games, with your help or someone elses, but there's no games on the Switch 😂Can't learn about something that doesn't exist.

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#65 hardwenzen
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Oh god you sheep are tiresome. Same conversations for so many years. Enjoy your sales, i am sure the gameplay is great and sales are always running at a stable 60fps.

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@hardwenzen: You're a troll and a fool. Nobody has to justify anything to you. The fact that you only like a specific type of mainstream game with cinematics and flash proves you are the casual gamer you go on about.

It's no wonder you frequently say you have nothing to play, because your wheelhouse is so very limited, and your view of gaming so myopic. You are the very definition of a dudebro gamer.

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#67 FireEmblem_Man
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@hardwenzen said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@hardwenzen said:
@nintendoboy16 said:

Again, you're comparing a near top selling platform that's built a wide variety of games over the years, to a low selling system that made Sony dropped handheld gaming on it's SECOND run! Not to mention, it's library was lacking compared to 3DS (it's main competition).

oh my gawd. its always sales sales sales. Are you gonna be playing sales in 2021? Great, enjoy playing your sales. 2022 arrives, you will be playing sales as well, great game btw 😃

I am not comparing it to the Vita for their success, obviously. We're talking about games, games that are coming out, not something that came out in 2016. And when that's taken into consideration, its as if Nintendo/Switch is allergic to games.

Sales DO matter in a business sense. How else will developers be able to fund your next AAA game that isn't so much a disappointment like Cyberpunk 2077 has been? (Granted I overhyped it and enjoyed it). Sales are still a life blood for every game developer to put food on their table, as well as to keep their studios open. That's while we use sales. Welcome to Capitalism 101 where the basic fundamental rule is understanding Supply and Demand

Sales do matter, but you can't be responding with "my system sold more than yours, bro" every time someone criticizes it for having poor performance (visually or technically), have archaic online infrastructure or have no games since last year and absolutely nothing on the horizon.

What's more insane to me is seeing a system with THIS MUCH sales have nothing going on for it for two straight years in a row. Now, if this was a brand new system, the first year or so are rough, but the Switch has no excuses of being this deserted in the games department, and not for one, but two years straight (and its not like 2019 was hot to begin with).

Such a successful system should be spamming you with more games than ads on pr0nhub.

Well then why are you b1tching about sales in the first place? Why does the success of the Switch tr1gg3r you to such a degree that you had to come here and b1tch more about "wHeReS tEh gAeMz!?!"

Nintendo is secretive of their projects, hell, I even criticize them for the lack of Metroid Prime 4 news, yet they have everyone waiting for e3 2021 for another Nintendo Showcase. Hell, Sony nor Microsoft also have nothing for this year for their exclusives other than seeing Rachet coming this Summer.

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@hardwenzen: You're a troll and a fool. Nobody has to justify anything to you. The fact that you only like a specific type of mainstream game with cinematics and flash proves you are the casual gamer you go on about.

It's no wonder you frequently say you have nothing to play, because your wheelhouse is so very limited, and your view of gaming so myopic. You are the very definition of a dudebro gamer.

A dudebro that doesn't play CoD and all of its clones and is more into the likes of the Souls games, Divinity OS, etc. Intelligent assumpiton, actually.

Here's what's happening here. You have absolutely nothing to justify your dumb "the switch is better" claims, so you respond with stupid shit "fool, troll, dudebro" because you know damn well that defending the Switch is not a thing that can be done without being laughed at, especially in 2021.

As of late i have been saying that i ran out of stuff to play because i don't enjoy replaying titles i've already beaten, and i have beaten everything that interests me at the time those games came out. You look at the titles that came out in the last six months, and there's barely anything at all, and you're surprised by the fact that i ran out of games to play. And since i am all about those mainstream games, i'll be getting Returnal btw 🤣🤣🤣

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@Litchie said:
@techhog89 said:
@Litchie said:
@hardwenzen said:
@Litchie said:

The Switch sells way the **** more than it deserves.

Good for Nintendo, they struck gold with their portability and have no competition in the department. If its selling this much with literally no games, nothing on the horizon and while also being extremely underpowered, just imagine for a second if they were releasing a bunch of titles like they used to. Actually, there's nothing to imagine cuz it'd be scalped the f up just like the other two and be sold out everywhere.

It's annoying as hell to me as a gamer. The GameCube sold like shit. What did Nintendo do? Try to sway more people by making several amazing games.

Switch doesn't have many games, but sells a shitload anyway. What does Nintendo do? Sit back and chill while counting their money.

I hope Nintendo gets in trouble again. I want some games.

You seem to be under the impression that games just come out of nowhere. Games take far more money and manpower to make than they did 15-20 years ago. Of course they can't put out games the same as they used to. Nobody does. Look at Rockstar. Can you post some comparisons of individual companies to prove that Nintendo's output is bad?

I don't know. All I know is that there were a shitload of great games from Nintendo on GameCube, GBA, NDS, 3DS. Wii was worse on that front, which makes sense since they could rely on the waggle gimmick to sell units. But they still pumped out great handheld games.

Wii U, even that console got some great games, while they still released great 3DS games non stop. Now they could focus all their resources on one system, but still release way less great games than in the past and rerelease old games. I know ambitious AAA games like BotW takes longer to make. So why not make the wait for the heavy hitters easier by releasing smaller 3DS like games on Switch, like they did on the side with their other consoles? Probably because they don't have to when everyone and their grandmother buys a Switch with Animal Crossing.

You deciding that Animal Crossing (and seemingly New Pokemon Snap) doesn't count says that the problem is more with you than Nintendo.

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@ermacness said:

That’s wonderful for Nintendo, and congrats to them. They clearly have a stronghold on Japan, this isn’t news. However what is news for me is how does the Switch having dominated Japan, effects that the ps5 is still the fastest selling console in history in units and dollar amount?

for the first 5 months in the US*

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#71  Edited By deactivated-618bc23e9b1c9
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@hardwenzen: I was speaking for myself, personally, which is all any of us can do. I could list a whole page's worth of titles that I prefer and that wouldn't mean anything to anyone else but me.

Spouting tech specs for a handheld, or even a console for that matter, is very much trolling, a wasted effort that goes nowhere.

You've wasted $500 on a system that has very little to offer anyone at the moment--a $70 game here and there, a system that is programmed to fail with a CMOS battery that will stop working, and stop allowing you to enjoy the games you bought and paid for, while Switch has tons of awesome games released all the time. My family and I can enjoy the system on multiple docks throughout the house, or we can game around the pool, in the back yard with the bbq grill, or away at the doctor's office or on holiday. We can largely play the exact same games you do without being tied down to a single room on a single screen.

The simple truth is this: neither you or I are right or wrong here, and we all can only speak to what we personally like most.

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I could very well be a Switch only gamer myself and be very content. There’s a LOT of games that I want to get that are already but haven’t been able to keep up with and there’s plenty coming out in the future that I want as well.

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@techhog89 said:
@Telekill said:

Switch is a handheld. Japan is a handheld focused gaming community. 2 + 2 = 4.

Then why is the hybrid Switch selling more than the cheaper handheld-only option? If it were really that simple, you'd think that the Lite would have killed sales for the hybrid, but outside of launch the hybrid model has been selling more every week that it's had the stock to do so. And why did Vita flop in Japan? There's clearly more to it than that. Sony just isn't trying in Japan. They're not even shipping enough stock there to match the Wii U launch aligned. That's right, it's doing worse than Wii U.

The Lite is too expensive. If it were $149.99 or $99.99, it would sell like hotcakes. Like for $100 more, you get a Lite that has better battery and graphics, a way to play on TV, motion controls, etc. It's worth it.

The Vita was just. It wasn't good. It was pretty much a worse PS4, and it didn't get Monster Hunter while the PS4 got Monster Hunter World.

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@Litchie said:
@techhog89 said:
@Litchie said:
@hardwenzen said:
@Litchie said:

The Switch sells way the **** more than it deserves.

Good for Nintendo, they struck gold with their portability and have no competition in the department. If its selling this much with literally no games, nothing on the horizon and while also being extremely underpowered, just imagine for a second if they were releasing a bunch of titles like they used to. Actually, there's nothing to imagine cuz it'd be scalped the f up just like the other two and be sold out everywhere.

It's annoying as hell to me as a gamer. The GameCube sold like shit. What did Nintendo do? Try to sway more people by making several amazing games.

Switch doesn't have many games, but sells a shitload anyway. What does Nintendo do? Sit back and chill while counting their money.

I hope Nintendo gets in trouble again. I want some games.

You seem to be under the impression that games just come out of nowhere. Games take far more money and manpower to make than they did 15-20 years ago. Of course they can't put out games the same as they used to. Nobody does. Look at Rockstar. Can you post some comparisons of individual companies to prove that Nintendo's output is bad?

I don't know. All I know is that there were a shitload of great games from Nintendo on GameCube, GBA, NDS, 3DS. Wii was worse on that front, which makes sense since they could rely on the waggle gimmick to sell units. But they still pumped out great handheld games.

Wii U, even that console got some great games, while they still released great 3DS games non stop. Now they could focus all their resources on one system, but still release way less great games than in the past and rerelease old games. I know ambitious AAA games like BotW takes longer to make. So why not make the wait for the heavy hitters easier by releasing smaller 3DS like games on Switch, like they did on the side with their other consoles? Probably because they don't have to when everyone and their grandmother buys a Switch with Animal Crossing.

Rose tinted glasses be like.

People used to make fun of the GameCube for having no games. lol. I even predicted that the Wii U would turn out the same way. As soon as Nintendo gets a successful console, people will have a drought period and say "even the Wii U got enough games" and people laughed at me and said it would never happen. Now look.

@nintendoboy16 said:
@hardwenzen said:
@nintendoboy16 said:

I mean, not like it doesn't have a huge library or anything...

What kind of logic is that? If you have a nice library of the old stuff (like pc or the xbox), that's a nice BONUS to have, but that isn't the main plate you feast on. Relying on games released years ago to justify your miserable second year in a row is just admitting the fact that your system is on life support aka being in the Vita shoes before the system was discontinued.

Nintendo is looking like a meme in 2021.

Sure, man. A huge catalog of games doesn't justify sales. Sure...

And comparing the Switch to the Vita? Are you serious?

Hardwenzen is a meme. He barely posts anything of value and is trying to be the new cow troll. Cows have just not been good since Tormentos and Benjamin stopped posting regularly, and ReCloud and Quad got banned. I have faith for NathanSwag to take the spot as a top cow though. He just needs to post a bit more often.

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@shadyacshuns said:

@hardwenzen: You're a troll and a fool. Nobody has to justify anything to you. The fact that you only like a specific type of mainstream game with cinematics and flash proves you are the casual gamer you go on about.

It's no wonder you frequently say you have nothing to play, because your wheelhouse is so very limited, and your view of gaming so myopic. You are the very definition of a dudebro gamer.

Hardwenzen is just trying to be top cow now that the actual cows have disbanded. Quad and ReCloud were banned, Benjamin and Tormentos don't post as much, etc. The cow division is in shambles. lol. I don't even think Hardwenzen is going to be top cow even now though, because that honor is going to Nathan. lol. Feels bad

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Cows be skipping this thread or will come in and deflect by mentioning Xbox sales like its a surprise they don't sell in Japan.

In 3...2...1...

Like moths to a flame. 😂🤣

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#77  Edited By deactivated-618bc23e9b1c9
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@luxuryheart said:
@shadyacshuns said:

@hardwenzen: You're a troll and a fool. Nobody has to justify anything to you. The fact that you only like a specific type of mainstream game with cinematics and flash proves you are the casual gamer you go on about.

It's no wonder you frequently say you have nothing to play, because your wheelhouse is so very limited, and your view of gaming so myopic. You are the very definition of a dudebro gamer.

Hardwenzen is just trying to be top cow now that the actual cows have disbanded. Quad and ReCloud were banned, Benjamin and Tormentos don't post as much, etc. The cow division is in shambles. lol. I don't even think Hardwenzen is going to be top cow even now though, because that honor is going to Nathan. lol. Feels bad

Sad state of the forum.. and yikes to the list of contestants to take that dubious honor.

The biggest 'wtf' about all this is when did cows become such bro gamers?

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#78 hardwenzen
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@luxuryheart said:
@shadyacshuns said:

@hardwenzen: You're a troll and a fool. Nobody has to justify anything to you. The fact that you only like a specific type of mainstream game with cinematics and flash proves you are the casual gamer you go on about.

It's no wonder you frequently say you have nothing to play, because your wheelhouse is so very limited, and your view of gaming so myopic. You are the very definition of a dudebro gamer.

Hardwenzen is just trying to be top cow now that the actual cows have disbanded. Quad and ReCloud were banned, Benjamin and Tormentos don't post as much, etc. The cow division is in shambles. lol. I don't even think Hardwenzen is going to be top cow even now though, because that honor is going to Nathan. lol. Feels bad

Its real difficult for me to perform when deep inside i am annoyed by the fact that Sony focused on a STORAGE DEVICE as their primary selling point. I will never get over this.

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#79 Techhog89
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@luxuryheart said:
@techhog89 said:
@Telekill said:

Switch is a handheld. Japan is a handheld focused gaming community. 2 + 2 = 4.

Then why is the hybrid Switch selling more than the cheaper handheld-only option? If it were really that simple, you'd think that the Lite would have killed sales for the hybrid, but outside of launch the hybrid model has been selling more every week that it's had the stock to do so. And why did Vita flop in Japan? There's clearly more to it than that. Sony just isn't trying in Japan. They're not even shipping enough stock there to match the Wii U launch aligned. That's right, it's doing worse than Wii U.

The Lite is too expensive. If it were $149.99 or $99.99, it would sell like hotcakes. Like for $100 more, you get a Lite that has better battery and graphics, a way to play on TV, motion controls, etc. It's worth it.

The Vita was just. It wasn't good. It was pretty much a worse PS4, and it didn't get Monster Hunter while the PS4 got Monster Hunter World.

They'd be selling it for a loss at that point. I don't know why people here think that Switch costs like $50 to make and ship.

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@FireEmblem_Man:

That may very well be the case, but even scalpers know that they can do this with the ps5. I’m willing to get you that there’s far more interest in the ps5 than there were with the switch around it’s launch window.

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#81  Edited By ermacness
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@techhog89 said:
@ermacness said:

That’s wonderful for Nintendo, and congrats to them. They clearly have a stronghold on Japan, this isn’t news. However what is news for me is how does the Switch having dominated Japan, effects that the ps5 is still the fastest selling console in history in units and dollar amount?

for the first 5 months in the US*

Do you think that the switch did better in the 1st 5 months in WW sales than the ps5 did?

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#82 onesiphorus
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Interesting how some System Warriors loves to go off-topic on topics that they feel uncomfortable.

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#83 Techhog89
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@ermacness said:
@techhog89 said:
@ermacness said:

That’s wonderful for Nintendo, and congrats to them. They clearly have a stronghold on Japan, this isn’t news. However what is news for me is how does the Switch having dominated Japan, effects that the ps5 is still the fastest selling console in history in units and dollar amount?

for the first 5 months in the US*

Do you think that the switch did better in the 1st 5 months in WW sales than the ps5 did?

No, but I'm just pointing out what's accurate with the information we know. Switch didn't launch during the holidays, so the first few months weren't all that competitive. It caught up to and passed PS4 launch-aligned later on. 12 months is a better comparison, but Sony and Nintendo systems tend to follow different sales patterns either way.

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#84  Edited By Litchie
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@techhog89 said:
@Litchie said:
@techhog89 said:
@Litchie said:

It's annoying as hell to me as a gamer. The GameCube sold like shit. What did Nintendo do? Try to sway more people by making several amazing games.

Switch doesn't have many games, but sells a shitload anyway. What does Nintendo do? Sit back and chill while counting their money.

I hope Nintendo gets in trouble again. I want some games.

You seem to be under the impression that games just come out of nowhere. Games take far more money and manpower to make than they did 15-20 years ago. Of course they can't put out games the same as they used to. Nobody does. Look at Rockstar. Can you post some comparisons of individual companies to prove that Nintendo's output is bad?

I don't know. All I know is that there were a shitload of great games from Nintendo on GameCube, GBA, NDS, 3DS. Wii was worse on that front, which makes sense since they could rely on the waggle gimmick to sell units. But they still pumped out great handheld games.

Wii U, even that console got some great games, while they still released great 3DS games non stop. Now they could focus all their resources on one system, but still release way less great games than in the past and rerelease old games. I know ambitious AAA games like BotW takes longer to make. So why not make the wait for the heavy hitters easier by releasing smaller 3DS like games on Switch, like they did on the side with their other consoles? Probably because they don't have to when everyone and their grandmother buys a Switch with Animal Crossing.

You deciding that Animal Crossing (and seemingly New Pokemon Snap) doesn't count says that the problem is more with you than Nintendo.

That's what you got from my post? I bought the game and liked it. But yeah, Snap does not excite me, and I will not include it in "great Switch games for me in 2021". What is considered great or not is just opinions. I thought the library of GC was amazing. NDS and 3DS was amazing. Wii was good. Wii U was starting to get good. Switch is good, but lacking.

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#85 Litchie
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@luxuryheart said:
@Litchie said:

I don't know. All I know is that there were a shitload of great games from Nintendo on GameCube, GBA, NDS, 3DS. Wii was worse on that front, which makes sense since they could rely on the waggle gimmick to sell units. But they still pumped out great handheld games.

Wii U, even that console got some great games, while they still released great 3DS games non stop. Now they could focus all their resources on one system, but still release way less great games than in the past and rerelease old games. I know ambitious AAA games like BotW takes longer to make. So why not make the wait for the heavy hitters easier by releasing smaller 3DS like games on Switch, like they did on the side with their other consoles? Probably because they don't have to when everyone and their grandmother buys a Switch with Animal Crossing.

Rose tinted glasses be like.

People used to make fun of the GameCube for having no games. lol. I even predicted that the Wii U would turn out the same way. As soon as Nintendo gets a successful console, people will have a drought period and say "even the Wii U got enough games" and people laughed at me and said it would never happen. Now look.

People did use to make fun of GC for that. Very annoying, since the library was awesome. I think I had around 20 games for it that I absolutely adored. That's never happened with a console ever since.

There are always droughts on Nintendo's consoles. But in the past, Nintendo had a handheld as well, with other studios who pumped out games when their console had droughts, which was awesome. My hope for the Switch was that droughts wouldn't be much of a thing anymore, as they don't have a separate handheld to make games for, and can just focus on the Switch. But the result was not what I expected. We still got droughts. That's what I'm dissapointed about.

Also dissapointed that Nintendo didn't make any use of some of my favorite Nintendo franchises like Mario Kart, Metroid, F-Zero and Pikmin. I know Metroid is coming, but we seriously would be playing it already had Nintendo not fucked it up.

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#86  Edited By Techhog89
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@Litchie said:
@techhog89 said:
@Litchie said:
@techhog89 said:

You seem to be under the impression that games just come out of nowhere. Games take far more money and manpower to make than they did 15-20 years ago. Of course they can't put out games the same as they used to. Nobody does. Look at Rockstar. Can you post some comparisons of individual companies to prove that Nintendo's output is bad?

I don't know. All I know is that there were a shitload of great games from Nintendo on GameCube, GBA, NDS, 3DS. Wii was worse on that front, which makes sense since they could rely on the waggle gimmick to sell units. But they still pumped out great handheld games.

Wii U, even that console got some great games, while they still released great 3DS games non stop. Now they could focus all their resources on one system, but still release way less great games than in the past and rerelease old games. I know ambitious AAA games like BotW takes longer to make. So why not make the wait for the heavy hitters easier by releasing smaller 3DS like games on Switch, like they did on the side with their other consoles? Probably because they don't have to when everyone and their grandmother buys a Switch with Animal Crossing.

You deciding that Animal Crossing (and seemingly New Pokemon Snap) doesn't count says that the problem is more with you than Nintendo.

That's what you got from my post? I bought the game and liked it. But yeah, Snap does not excite me, and I will not include it in "great Switch games for me in 2021". What is considered great or not is just opinions. I thought the library of GC was amazing. NDS and 3DS was amazing. Wii was good. Wii U was starting to get good. Switch is good, but lacking.

You said that they're not releasing anything, but also acting like certain games don't count because they don't do it for you personally. You don't represent the market at large, and that's what it comes down to. And no, you don't represent the "core" or "hardcore" market either. You just represent you. For all you know things would be even worse for you if they were struggling. It's also early to assume that nothing is coming for the year, but you guys do this every year I guess.

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@Litchie said:
@luxuryheart said:

Rose tinted glasses be like.

People used to make fun of the GameCube for having no games. lol. I even predicted that the Wii U would turn out the same way. As soon as Nintendo gets a successful console, people will have a drought period and say "even the Wii U got enough games" and people laughed at me and said it would never happen. Now look.

People did use to make fun of GC for that. Very annoying, since the library was awesome. I think I had around 20 games for it that I absolutely adored. That's never happened with a console ever since.

There are always droughts on Nintendo's consoles. But in the past, Nintendo had a handheld as well, with other studios who pumped out games when their console had droughts, which was awesome. My hope for the Switch was that droughts wouldn't be much of a thing anymore, as they don't have a separate handheld to make games for, and can just focus on the Switch. But the result was not what I expected. We still got droughts. That's what I'm dissapointed about.

Also dissapointed that Nintendo didn't make any use of some of my favorite Nintendo franchises like Mario Kart, Metroid, F-Zero and Pikmin. I know Metroid is coming, but we seriously would be playing it already had Nintendo not fucked it up.

Dude, the GameCube reception was pretty much this. The press, from Game Informer, IGN, and G4 (unless your name was Victor Lucas) were taking the living piss out of the platform. And with it's "change" it's pretty much this meme now.

And honestly, it's really only a "drought" on the first party front. Third parties, mainly indies? Not so much...

And honestly, for the sake of your health, give up on F-Zero. Nintendo doesn't want to bring it back until there is "something" that would attract the mass amount of people Nintendo aims for. Not like Switch doesn't have other futuristic racers in their library, from a classic based on a once disliked Star Wars movie (which, fun fact, outsold F-Zero on Nintendo's own systems) to an original IP by Shin'en.

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#88 onesiphorus
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Relating to the Switch sales in Japan:

This week, Switch reached its latest milestone in Japan. Total sales of the system are now at 19,410,000. That means Switch is now the sixth best-selling console of all time in the country.

The Famicom previously held that record having sold 19,350,000 units. Switch is expected to overtake the PS2 and PSP later this year, which are at 21,980,000 units and 19,690,000 units respectively.

Here is a chart showing the top ten best-selling consoles of all time in Japan:

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@Telekill: "Switch is a hand held". Yet cows have no problem using it against Xbox with their "Nintendo and Sony doing great, Xbox teh flopz".

Can't have it both ways. :-S

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@HalcyonScarlet:

If it wasn't for double standards, cows wouldn't have any standards at all. :P

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#91  Edited By Telekill
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@HalcyonScarlet: Out of all the Playstation gamers on here, I'm sure most see that I don't hold any malice against Xbox gamers. Once in a blue moon do I post against the Xbox brand in general let alone those that choose it as their platform of choice.

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#92  Edited By ermacness
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@techhog89 said:
@ermacness said:
@techhog89 said:
@ermacness said:

That’s wonderful for Nintendo, and congrats to them. They clearly have a stronghold on Japan, this isn’t news. However what is news for me is how does the Switch having dominated Japan, effects that the ps5 is still the fastest selling console in history in units and dollar amount?

for the first 5 months in the US*

Do you think that the switch did better in the 1st 5 months in WW sales than the ps5 did?

No, but I'm just pointing out what's accurate with the information we know. Switch didn't launch during the holidays, so the first few months weren't all that competitive. It caught up to and passed PS4 launch-aligned later on. 12 months is a better comparison, but Sony and Nintendo systems tend to follow different sales patterns either way.

You’re right, there was NO competition, so with that at the cheaper price, the switch should’ve obliterated the ps5 in the 1st 5 months, correct?

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#93 HalcyonScarlet
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@Telekill said:

@HalcyonScarlet: Out of all the Playstation gamers on here, I'm sure most see that I don't hold any malice against Xbox gamers. Once in a blue moon do I post against the Xbox brand in general let alone those that choose it as their platform of choice.

I'm actually with you. I think the Switch being a handheld has played a huge part of why it's doing so well. It's what Nintendo is best at. But in system wars, it's sales are used against Xbox Series, so how do we not use it against PS5?

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#94 Techhog89
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@ermacness said:
@techhog89 said:
@ermacness said:
@techhog89 said:
@ermacness said:

That’s wonderful for Nintendo, and congrats to them. They clearly have a stronghold on Japan, this isn’t news. However what is news for me is how does the Switch having dominated Japan, effects that the ps5 is still the fastest selling console in history in units and dollar amount?

for the first 5 months in the US*

Do you think that the switch did better in the 1st 5 months in WW sales than the ps5 did?

No, but I'm just pointing out what's accurate with the information we know. Switch didn't launch during the holidays, so the first few months weren't all that competitive. It caught up to and passed PS4 launch-aligned later on. 12 months is a better comparison, but Sony and Nintendo systems tend to follow different sales patterns either way.

You’re right, there was NO competition, so with that at the cheaper price, the switch should’ve obliterated the ps5 in the 1st 5 months, correct?

Switch didn't launch during a holiday, and was still completely sold out anyway, just like PS4 and PS5.

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#95 ermacness
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@techhog89 said:
@ermacness said:
@techhog89 said:
@ermacness said:
@techhog89 said:

for the first 5 months in the US*

Do you think that the switch did better in the 1st 5 months in WW sales than the ps5 did?

No, but I'm just pointing out what's accurate with the information we know. Switch didn't launch during the holidays, so the first few months weren't all that competitive. It caught up to and passed PS4 launch-aligned later on. 12 months is a better comparison, but Sony and Nintendo systems tend to follow different sales patterns either way.

You’re right, there was NO competition, so with that at the cheaper price, the switch should’ve obliterated the ps5 in the 1st 5 months, correct?

Switch didn't launch during a holiday, and was still completely sold out anyway, just like PS4 and PS5.

You’re right about it not launching around the holidays, but it had no competition and was 100/200 bucks cheaper, and it had an ”arguably” better launch lineup. So with those accolades it’ll surely beat out the ps5 in a 5 months timeframe right?

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#96 Techhog89
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@ermacness said:
@techhog89 said:
@ermacness said:
@techhog89 said:
@ermacness said:

Do you think that the switch did better in the 1st 5 months in WW sales than the ps5 did?

No, but I'm just pointing out what's accurate with the information we know. Switch didn't launch during the holidays, so the first few months weren't all that competitive. It caught up to and passed PS4 launch-aligned later on. 12 months is a better comparison, but Sony and Nintendo systems tend to follow different sales patterns either way.

You’re right, there was NO competition, so with that at the cheaper price, the switch should’ve obliterated the ps5 in the 1st 5 months, correct?

Switch didn't launch during a holiday, and was still completely sold out anyway, just like PS4 and PS5.

You’re right about it not launching around the holidays, but it had no competition and was 100/200 bucks cheaper, and it had an ”arguably” better launch lineup. So with those accolades it’ll surely beat out the ps5 in a 5 months timeframe right?

You're grasping super hard. How were they supposed to sell more if they sold through every unit they shipped in most regions? Also, if it had "no competition," then you're saying that PS4, Xbox One, and by extension PS5 and XBS don't count as competition as well, meaning that the price difference is irrelevant.

I remember when the trolls here put in effort and were entertaining instead of just repeating bad takes over and over and making a massive deal over an extremely specific accomplishment that was expected anyway. I'm not even sure what you want from me. To say that PS5 did well? I never denied that. To say that Switch's sales in Japan up to this point don't matter because Sony shipped more units to the US in the first 5 months than Nintendo did? That's stupid. Both are doing well. One doesn't erase the success of the other. If you want to keep going though, you can take a guess on which console sold more in the US in past 5 months.

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#97 Silentchief
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Yet the PS5 is still sold out in Japan.

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#98 Techhog89
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@silentchief said:

Yet the PS5 is still sold out in Japan.

So is the hybrid Switch.

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#99 Silentchief
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@techhog89: So its a case if whoever produces more sells more. That in no way means the PS5 is dead in Japan.

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#100 R4gn4r0k
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How come Nintendo has never had a chip shortage for their DS, 3DS or Switch?