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Check oout this funny fanboy video. I even had to laugh as a PS3 owner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4dZGFOhV44
There is a sequel here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v6oRSMUnaw
Both bring back memories from the last couple of years. The Playstation really had a miserable launch. I'm glad it made such a comeback.
What do you guys think?
[QUOTE="Nintendo_Man"]what comeback?0bscuritySarcasm or ignorance? Please enlight us.
[QUOTE="0bscurity"][QUOTE="Nintendo_Man"]what comeback?IronBassSarcasm or ignorance? Please enlight us. About what?
[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="killerfist"] lol ok:P But I have to ask: What comeback?PoppaGamerDoesn't "coming back" mean: "return to the top"? The PS3 has never been on the top, so technically, it can't make a comeback >.> Teh conspiracy. Funny, fanbvoys like this make the claim PS3 is a failure because it isn't matching slaes of the PS2. And they say that because of how successful the PS2 is/was. So isn't that the top? Isn't that what the PS3 is shooting for? I'm not saying its gotten there, just wondering what your definition of "the top" is. Because even if PS3 was the top selling console but it didn't match the PS2, people like you would still call it a failure. No matter how well the PS3 does, some people still won't think its enough. Yet, the 360 is rocking it, even though its barely holding on to its lead that it received by coming a year earlier than the other two. You praise MS though they have never been close to being the "top dog." Seem odd to anyone else? Lastly, I think many CAN say PS3 has made a comeback. Right now, and for the past year or more, PS3 has been on pace with the 360 in quality title releases. That doesn't mean it heading straight for the top. It just means its comeback from the darkness it was in. The funny thing of your post is... that I've never called the PS3 a failure. I even defended it against that definition.
[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"] Funny, fanbvoys like this make the claim PS3 is a failure because it isn't matching slaes of the PS2. And they say that because of how successful the PS2 is/was. So isn't that the top? Isn't that what the PS3 is shooting for? I'm not saying its gotten there, just wondering what your definition of "the top" is. Because even if PS3 was the top selling console but it didn't match the PS2, people like you would still call it a failure. No matter how well the PS3 does, some people still won't think its enough. Yet, the 360 is rocking it, even though its barely holding on to its lead that it received by coming a year earlier than the other two. You praise MS though they have never been close to being the "top dog." Seem odd to anyone else? Lastly, I think many CAN say PS3 has made a comeback. Right now, and for the past year or more, PS3 has been on pace with the 360 in quality title releases. That doesn't mean it heading straight for the top. It just means its comeback from the darkness it was in.SpruceCabooseThe problem with your argument is that by either definition of success that you listed, the PS3 is a failure. You should have really divorced your definition of success from sales, as that is the only way to label the PS3 a success at this point. The first two paragraphs weren't even about MY argument. The only "comeback" I argued FOR was that the PS3 has come out of the darkness of the "no games", "blu-ray will lose" phase that was 2007.
[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="killerfist"]
lol ok:P
But I have to ask: What comeback?SpruceCaboose
[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="killerfist"] lol ok:P But I have to ask: What comeback?SpruceCabooseDoesn't "coming back" mean: "return to the top"? The PS3 has never been on the top, so technically, it can't make a comeback >.> Teh conspiracy. Technically, it just means a return, so it could be considered a comeback for returning to the industry. A little weak, I know, but just saying.
But what return? Was it gone?
To poppagamer: relax man.
*edit: ah, nevermind..
[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="killerfist"] lol ok:P But I have to ask: What comeback?PoppaGamerDoesn't "coming back" mean: "return to the top"? The PS3 has never been on the top, so technically, it can't make a comeback >.> Teh conspiracy. Funny, fanbvoys like this make the claim PS3 is a failure because it isn't matching slaes of the PS2. And they say that because of how successful the PS2 is/was. So isn't that the top? Isn't that what the PS3 is shooting for? I'm not saying its gotten there, just wondering what your definition of "the top" is. Because even if PS3 was the top selling console but it didn't match the PS2, people like you would still call it a failure. No matter how well the PS3 does, some people still won't think its enough. Yet, the 360 is rocking it, even though its barely holding on to its lead that it received by coming a year earlier than the other two. You praise MS though they have never been close to being the "top dog." Seem odd to anyone else? Lastly, I think many CAN say PS3 has made a comeback. Right now, and for the past year or more, PS3 has been on pace with the 360 in quality title releases. That doesn't mean it heading straight for the top. It just means its comeback from the darkness it was in.Dude there is NO comeback. Forget even trying to compare the PS3 to the PS2 because they are so far apart they are not even in the same universe. Just talking about the PS3 by itself it is still a fail machine. Last in hardware and software sales does not leave any room at all to say it has done a comeback. PS3 loses more money for Sony then the other 2 consoles do for their companies. The PS3's best selling game has not even sold half what the 360's best selling game has. I could go on but seriously bro the PS3 so far is filled with fail. You may like it and that is fine but in the real world the PS3 is not doing great heck it is not even doing just ok.
Ha I'd never seen those before, the first one was funny, the second one not as much but worth a watch. As for the comeback question, the PS3 has made a momentus comeback in terms of desirability (come down in price, BR is HD standard, some corking exclusives) but in terms of sales in its still the asmatic kid bringing up the rear.blue_hazy_basic
yea but didnt sell on pace as the 360 in total sales last year and by total sales i mean globally cuz i read an article posted here 1 maybe 2 days ago that said that they were really close, like within a million units of each other
[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"][QUOTE="IronBass"] Doesn't "coming back" mean: "return to the top"? The PS3 has never been on the top, so technically, it can't make a comeback >.> Teh conspiracy.rybe1025Funny, fanbvoys like this make the claim PS3 is a failure because it isn't matching slaes of the PS2. And they say that because of how successful the PS2 is/was. So isn't that the top? Isn't that what the PS3 is shooting for? I'm not saying its gotten there, just wondering what your definition of "the top" is. Because even if PS3 was the top selling console but it didn't match the PS2, people like you would still call it a failure. No matter how well the PS3 does, some people still won't think its enough. Yet, the 360 is rocking it, even though its barely holding on to its lead that it received by coming a year earlier than the other two. You praise MS though they have never been close to being the "top dog." Seem odd to anyone else? Lastly, I think many CAN say PS3 has made a comeback. Right now, and for the past year or more, PS3 has been on pace with the 360 in quality title releases. That doesn't mean it heading straight for the top. It just means its comeback from the darkness it was in.Dude there is NO comeback. Forget even trying to compare the PS3 to the PS2 because they are so far apart they are not even in the same universe. Just talking about the PS3 by itself it is still a fail machine. Last in hardware and software sales does not leave any room at all to say it has done a comeback. PS3 loses more money for Sony then the other 2 consoles do for their companies. The PS3's best selling game has not even sold half what the 360's best selling game has. I could go on but seriously bro the PS3 so far is filled with fail. You may like it and that is fine but in the real world the PS3 is not doing great heck it is not even doing just ok.
and this is something people like you will always say...disregard it had some of the highest rated games last year, or the fact that it sold on par with the 360 and the only reason the 360 is ahead is due to the head start... but yea what ever makes you go to sleep at night
[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"][QUOTE="IronBass"] Doesn't "coming back" mean: "return to the top"? The PS3 has never been on the top, so technically, it can't make a comeback >.> Teh conspiracy.rybe1025Funny, fanbvoys like this make the claim PS3 is a failure because it isn't matching slaes of the PS2. And they say that because of how successful the PS2 is/was. So isn't that the top? Isn't that what the PS3 is shooting for? I'm not saying its gotten there, just wondering what your definition of "the top" is. Because even if PS3 was the top selling console but it didn't match the PS2, people like you would still call it a failure. No matter how well the PS3 does, some people still won't think its enough. Yet, the 360 is rocking it, even though its barely holding on to its lead that it received by coming a year earlier than the other two. You praise MS though they have never been close to being the "top dog." Seem odd to anyone else? Lastly, I think many CAN say PS3 has made a comeback. Right now, and for the past year or more, PS3 has been on pace with the 360 in quality title releases. That doesn't mean it heading straight for the top. It just means its comeback from the darkness it was in.Dude there is NO comeback. Forget even trying to compare the PS3 to the PS2 because they are so far apart they are not even in the same universe. Just talking about the PS3 by itself it is still a fail machine. Last in hardware and software sales does not leave any room at all to say it has done a comeback. PS3 loses more money for Sony then the other 2 consoles do for their companies. The PS3's best selling game has not even sold half what the 360's best selling game has. I could go on but seriously bro the PS3 so far is filled with fail. You may like it and that is fine but in the real world the PS3 is not doing great heck it is not even doing just ok. I never compared it to the PS2, I ws talking about others that do and hoe even if it did sell as well as the PS2 there would still be haters knocking it for something. When did I say PS3 was outselling anyone? Where did I say PS3's software slaes were stronger than the any other console? I'm not sure where you got that from. All I was arguing was that you COULD say the PS3 has come back from the depths of darkness that was 2007. And keep talking about sales, it only proves you shut your eyes to what the Wii is doing. If sales equals greatness, Wii is king. But sales does NOT equal greatness. Was the PS2 the greatest console ever? NO! It was just what casuals clung to. And the game is far from over, homes. You love to think that somehow after being out two years that the PS3 is at the nd of its life. What a crock. People like you made fun of Sony for saying that this gen didn't start until they arrived. But I guess its okay to say the gen is over when MS fanboys say so, huh? But let's talk about the success of MS. 4 years in and out last gen. No where near the top. Early release with horrible hardware this gen only to get lapped by the Wii within its first year. If you can call the PS3 "teh fail machine" I call MS the "fail factory." But you'll say, "the quality of the games and online service are stellar." Great. Why isn't it beating the Wii if sales are the only indicator of worth?
Dude there is NO comeback. Forget even trying to compare the PS3 to the PS2 because they are so far apart they are not even in the same universe. Just talking about the PS3 by itself it is still a fail machine. Last in hardware and software sales does not leave any room at all to say it has done a comeback. PS3 loses more money for Sony then the other 2 consoles do for their companies. The PS3's best selling game has not even sold half what the 360's best selling game has. I could go on but seriously bro the PS3 so far is filled with fail. You may like it and that is fine but in the real world the PS3 is not doing great heck it is not even doing just ok.[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="PoppaGamer"] Funny, fanbvoys like this make the claim PS3 is a failure because it isn't matching slaes of the PS2. And they say that because of how successful the PS2 is/was. So isn't that the top? Isn't that what the PS3 is shooting for? I'm not saying its gotten there, just wondering what your definition of "the top" is. Because even if PS3 was the top selling console but it didn't match the PS2, people like you would still call it a failure. No matter how well the PS3 does, some people still won't think its enough. Yet, the 360 is rocking it, even though its barely holding on to its lead that it received by coming a year earlier than the other two. You praise MS though they have never been close to being the "top dog." Seem odd to anyone else? Lastly, I think many CAN say PS3 has made a comeback. Right now, and for the past year or more, PS3 has been on pace with the 360 in quality title releases. That doesn't mean it heading straight for the top. It just means its comeback from the darkness it was in.hyperboy152000
and this is something people like you will always say...disregard it had some of the highest rated games last year, or the fact that it sold on par with the 360 and the only reason the 360 is ahead is due to the head start... but yea what ever makes you go to sleep at night
Ok fine you can come up with excuses like the year head start and stuff but that is all it is excuses to make up for the PS3 bad turn out.. First though I am just wondering do you say the same thing about the PS2 when threads are made about it winning since the PS2 had a head start?Also given the PS3 a big round of cheer is just like the special olympics. No matter how bad they do everyone is treated like a champion. I agree with people doing it with the special olympics but there is no reason for it with the PS3. Lets face facts it is last in everything and does not deserve a round of applause.
[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"]
Dude there is NO comeback. Forget even trying to compare the PS3 to the PS2 because they are so far apart they are not even in the same universe. Just talking about the PS3 by itself it is still a fail machine. Last in hardware and software sales does not leave any room at all to say it has done a comeback. PS3 loses more money for Sony then the other 2 consoles do for their companies. The PS3's best selling game has not even sold half what the 360's best selling game has. I could go on but seriously bro the PS3 so far is filled with fail. You may like it and that is fine but in the real world the PS3 is not doing great heck it is not even doing just ok.rybe1025
and this is something people like you will always say...disregard it had some of the highest rated games last year, or the fact that it sold on par with the 360 and the only reason the 360 is ahead is due to the head start... but yea what ever makes you go to sleep at night
Ok fine you can come up with excuses like the year head start and stuff but that is all it is excuses to make up for the PS3 bad turn out.. First though I am just wondering do you say the same thing about the PS2 when threads are made about it winning since the PS2 had a head start?Also given the PS3 a big round of cheer is just like the special olympics. No matter how bad they do everyone is treated like a champion. I agree with people doing it with the special olympics but there is no reason for it with the PS3. Lets face facts it is last in everything and does not deserve a round of applause.
Coming in second deserves praise though? :lol:[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="PoppaGamer"] Funny, fanbvoys like this make the claim PS3 is a failure because it isn't matching slaes of the PS2. And they say that because of how successful the PS2 is/was. So isn't that the top? Isn't that what the PS3 is shooting for? I'm not saying its gotten there, just wondering what your definition of "the top" is. Because even if PS3 was the top selling console but it didn't match the PS2, people like you would still call it a failure. No matter how well the PS3 does, some people still won't think its enough. Yet, the 360 is rocking it, even though its barely holding on to its lead that it received by coming a year earlier than the other two. You praise MS though they have never been close to being the "top dog." Seem odd to anyone else? Lastly, I think many CAN say PS3 has made a comeback. Right now, and for the past year or more, PS3 has been on pace with the 360 in quality title releases. That doesn't mean it heading straight for the top. It just means its comeback from the darkness it was in.PoppaGamerDude there is NO comeback. Forget even trying to compare the PS3 to the PS2 because they are so far apart they are not even in the same universe. Just talking about the PS3 by itself it is still a fail machine. Last in hardware and software sales does not leave any room at all to say it has done a comeback. PS3 loses more money for Sony then the other 2 consoles do for their companies. The PS3's best selling game has not even sold half what the 360's best selling game has. I could go on but seriously bro the PS3 so far is filled with fail. You may like it and that is fine but in the real world the PS3 is not doing great heck it is not even doing just ok. I never compared it to the PS2, I ws talking about others that do and hoe even if it did sell as well as the PS2 there would still be haters knocking it for something. When did I say PS3 was outselling anyone? Where did I say PS3's software slaes were stronger than the any other console? I'm not sure where you got that from. All I was arguing was that you COULD say the PS3 has come back from the depths of darkness that was 2007. And keep talking about sales, it only proves you shut your eyes to what the Wii is doing. If sales equals greatness, Wii is king. But sales does NOT equal greatness. Was the PS2 the greatest console ever? NO! It was just what casuals clung to. And the game is far from over, homes. You love to think that somehow after being out two years that the PS3 is at the nd of its life. What a crock. People like you made fun of Sony for saying that this gen didn't start until they arrived. But I guess its okay to say the gen is over when MS fanboys say so, huh? But let's talk about the success of MS. 4 years in and out last gen. No where near the top. Early release with horrible hardware this gen only to get lapped by the Wii within its first year. If you can call the PS3 "teh fail machine" I call MS the "fail factory." But you'll say, "the quality of the games and online service are stellar." Great. Why isn't it beating the Wii if sales are the only indicator of worth?Wow so your best defense is to hide behind the Wii?
First of I do not own a Wii but I have a huge amount of respect for what the Wii has done. Many on here bash the Wii because it seems they do it becuase they think they are supposed to do it to be a true gamer. Screw that. I say thank you Nintendo you have opened up the gamer market far more the any other console even their other ones. In the end since so many new people have been reached because of the Wii it will help gamers in the long run. For many reason but the largest one is gaming will be more accepted now then it was last gen.
Also you said
All I was arguing was that you COULD say the PS3 has come back from the depths of darkness that was 2007.
Bro it is last in hardware and software sales, Lowest software attach rate, losing a ton of money unlike the Wii and the 360, and so on. That is not a comeback. No one in the world but fanboys could ever see that as a success at all.
As far as saying the gen has eneded like how Sony said the gen starts when they say so. I do not think the gen has ended I just think there is no chance of PS3 comming out of last place. The gen is still going but things will not change.
Here is a example of how the Playstation name is fading. In the largest hardware sales months of the year the PS3's sales dropped 9% from what they did the year before. People now see the PS3 will never be what the PS2 was and do not want it.
[QUOTE="rybe1025"]Ok fine you can come up with excuses like the year head start and stuff but that is all it is excuses to make up for the PS3 bad turn out.. First though I am just wondering do you say the same thing about the PS2 when threads are made about it winning since the PS2 had a head start?[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"]
and this is something people like you will always say...disregard it had some of the highest rated games last year, or the fact that it sold on par with the 360 and the only reason the 360 is ahead is due to the head start... but yea what ever makes you go to sleep at night
PoppaGamer
Also given the PS3 a big round of cheer is just like the special olympics. No matter how bad they do everyone is treated like a champion. I agree with people doing it with the special olympics but there is no reason for it with the PS3. Lets face facts it is last in everything and does not deserve a round of applause.
Coming in second deserves praise though? :lol:At least Microsoft can say they are not in last place like the PS3 and even better they can say in less time they sold more then the previous gen. What can Sony say? The PS3 is last and doint much worse then the PS2 in software and hardware sales. Also the PS3 is much worse then the PS2 in software library but the 360 has far improved over the X-box in game library.Wow so your best defense is to hide behind the Wii?
First of I do not own a Wii but I have a huge amount of respect for what the Wii has done. Many on here bash the Wii because it seems they do it becuase they think they are supposed to do it to be a true gamer. Screw that. I say thank you Nintendo you have opened up the gamer market far more the any other console even their other ones. In the end since so many new people have been reached because of the Wii it will help gamers in the long run. For many reason but the largest one is gaming will be more accepted now then it was last gen.
Also you said
All I was arguing was that you COULD say the PS3 has come back from the depths of darkness that was 2007.Bro it is last in hardware and software sales, Lowest software attach rate, losing a ton of money unlike the Wii and the 360, and so on. That is not a comeback. No one in the world but fanboys could ever see that as a success at all.
As far as saying the gen has eneded like how Sony said the gen starts when they say so. I do not think the gen has ended I just think there is no chance of PS3 comming out of last place. The gen is still going but things will not change.
Here is a example of how the Playstation name is fading. In the largest hardware sales months of the year the PS3's sales dropped 9% from what they did the year before. People now see the PS3 will never be what the PS2 was and do not want it.
rybe1025
I don't hide behind the Wii. YOU hide behind sales which the Wii shows is moronic.
Yes, Nintendo has done a TON for expanding the gaming community. Same goes for the PS2 with its sales. And since you keep tapping that subject, I'm wodnering; How has MS done in this regard? Crappy. We see this "market share" praise BS fdrom lemmings talking about MS taking Sony's share. Great. When does MS do soemthing to grow the gaming community? When does MS do something worthy of selling the best? Sales seem to be so important to you, yet, you praise the company that has failed the most in that regard.
You don't think the PS3 will ever catch up. Great. Is that somehow fact? No. We both have different takes on how this will play out. But I am well aware that my take is merely opinion and speculation. Yours is no more valid. yet, you talk as though it is.
And again you use a different definition of comeback than most here are using. I don't think anyone is calling it a comeback due to sales. yet, there you are with that argument. I think most are saying, like I have, that PS3 has comeback from the dismal start it had.
How can you call a console that selling as well as your favorite a failure? How can you close your eyes to the fact that the PS3 has been neck-and-neck with the 360 in world-wide sales since launch? How can you close your eyes to the fact that the only lead 360 has right now is due to the year alone in the market?
If you call PS3 a failure, you have to admit 360 is failing too.
Also given the PS3 a big round of cheer is just like the special olympics. No matter how bad they do everyone is treated like a champion. I agree with people doing it with the special olympics but there is no reason for it with the PS3. Lets face facts it is last in everything and does not deserve a round of applause.
Coming in second deserves praise though? :lol:At least Microsoft can say they are not in last place like the PS3 and even better they can say in less time they sold more then the previous gen. What can Sony say? The PS3 is last and doint much worse then the PS2 in software and hardware sales. Also the PS3 is much worse then the PS2 in software library but the 360 has far improved over the X-box in game library. Again you are cutting this gen short and comparing it to a full one. How is PS3 supposed to have the library the PS2 did? What a joke of an argument.[QUOTE="rybe1025"]Wow so your best defense is to hide behind the Wii?
First of I do not own a Wii but I have a huge amount of respect for what the Wii has done. Many on here bash the Wii because it seems they do it becuase they think they are supposed to do it to be a true gamer. Screw that. I say thank you Nintendo you have opened up the gamer market far more the any other console even their other ones. In the end since so many new people have been reached because of the Wii it will help gamers in the long run. For many reason but the largest one is gaming will be more accepted now then it was last gen.
Also you said
All I was arguing was that you COULD say the PS3 has come back from the depths of darkness that was 2007.Bro it is last in hardware and software sales, Lowest software attach rate, losing a ton of money unlike the Wii and the 360, and so on. That is not a comeback. No one in the world but fanboys could ever see that as a success at all.
As far as saying the gen has eneded like how Sony said the gen starts when they say so. I do not think the gen has ended I just think there is no chance of PS3 comming out of last place. The gen is still going but things will not change.
Here is a example of how the Playstation name is fading. In the largest hardware sales months of the year the PS3's sales dropped 9% from what they did the year before. People now see the PS3 will never be what the PS2 was and do not want it.
PoppaGamer
I don't hide behind the Wii. YOU hide behind sales which the Wii shows is moronic.
Yes, Nintendo has done a TON for expanding the gaming community. Same goes for the PS2 with its sales. And since you keep tapping that subject, I'm wodnering; How has MS done in this regard? Crappy. We see this "market share" praise BS fdrom lemmings talking about MS taking Sony's share. Great. When does MS do soemthing to grow the gaming community? When does MS do something worthy of selling the best? Sales seem to be so important to you, yet, you praise the company that has failed the most in that regard.
You don't think the PS3 will ever catch up. Great. Is that somehow fact? No. We both have different takes on how this will play out. But I am well aware that my take is merely opinion and speculation. Yours is no more valid. yet, you talk as though it is.
And again you use a different definition of comeback than most here are using. I don't think anyone is calling it a comeback due to sales. yet, there you are with that argument. I think most are saying, like I have, that PS3 has comeback from the dismal start it had.
How can you call a console that selling as well as your favorite a failure? How can you close your eyes to the fact that the PS3 has been neck-and-neck with the 360 in world-wide sales since launch? How can you close your eyes to the fact that the only lead 360 has right now is due to the year alone in the market?
If you call PS3 a failure, you have to admit 360 is failing too.
How about the 360 after being out for 3 years is still gaining in sales, whereas the PS3 saw a 9% slump in sales over Q3 for this year?[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]Wow so your best defense is to hide behind the Wii?
First of I do not own a Wii but I have a huge amount of respect for what the Wii has done. Many on here bash the Wii because it seems they do it becuase they think they are supposed to do it to be a true gamer. Screw that. I say thank you Nintendo you have opened up the gamer market far more the any other console even their other ones. In the end since so many new people have been reached because of the Wii it will help gamers in the long run. For many reason but the largest one is gaming will be more accepted now then it was last gen.
Also you said
All I was arguing was that you COULD say the PS3 has come back from the depths of darkness that was 2007.Bro it is last in hardware and software sales, Lowest software attach rate, losing a ton of money unlike the Wii and the 360, and so on. That is not a comeback. No one in the world but fanboys could ever see that as a success at all.
As far as saying the gen has eneded like how Sony said the gen starts when they say so. I do not think the gen has ended I just think there is no chance of PS3 comming out of last place. The gen is still going but things will not change.
Here is a example of how the Playstation name is fading. In the largest hardware sales months of the year the PS3's sales dropped 9% from what they did the year before. People now see the PS3 will never be what the PS2 was and do not want it.
blue_hazy_basic
I don't hide behind the Wii. YOU hide behind sales which the Wii shows is moronic.
Yes, Nintendo has done a TON for expanding the gaming community. Same goes for the PS2 with its sales. And since you keep tapping that subject, I'm wodnering; How has MS done in this regard? Crappy. We see this "market share" praise BS fdrom lemmings talking about MS taking Sony's share. Great. When does MS do soemthing to grow the gaming community? When does MS do something worthy of selling the best? Sales seem to be so important to you, yet, you praise the company that has failed the most in that regard.
You don't think the PS3 will ever catch up. Great. Is that somehow fact? No. We both have different takes on how this will play out. But I am well aware that my take is merely opinion and speculation. Yours is no more valid. yet, you talk as though it is.
And again you use a different definition of comeback than most here are using. I don't think anyone is calling it a comeback due to sales. yet, there you are with that argument. I think most are saying, like I have, that PS3 has comeback from the dismal start it had.
How can you call a console that selling as well as your favorite a failure? How can you close your eyes to the fact that the PS3 has been neck-and-neck with the 360 in world-wide sales since launch? How can you close your eyes to the fact that the only lead 360 has right now is due to the year alone in the market?
If you call PS3 a failure, you have to admit 360 is failing too.
How about the 360 after being out for 3 years is still gaining in sales, whereas the PS3 saw a 9% slump in sales over Q3 for this year? How about we remember that 360 came out a year earlier and that gave them the advantage of being able to get the cost of hardwre reduced faster.[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]How about the 360 after being out for 3 years is still gaining in sales, whereas the PS3 saw a 9% slump in sales over Q3 for this year?PoppaGamerHow about we remember that 360 came out a year earlier and that gave them the advantage of being able to get the cost of hardwre reduced faster. LOL do cows just automatically apply that to every argument? Funny I don't see sheep do the same. It was Sony's choice what to put in the PS3 and what price point to sell it at and when to release it. Plus the PS3 has saw a price cut this year too. Its cheaper than last Q3 so shoudln't it sell more if you are using the price "logic"?
Ha I'd never seen those before, the first one was funny, the second one not as much but worth a watch. As for the comeback question, the PS3 has made a momentus comeback in terms of desirability (come down in price, BR is HD standard, some corking exclusives) but in terms of sales in its still the asmatic kid bringing up the rear.blue_hazy_basicHow do you figure. Its much more expensive then the 360 and for the most part of the year sold more then the 360 worldwide until it dipped to the Wii price level and even then its not selling that bad. Its sales have dramatically risen since 07 where people made fun of the PS3s sales yet it outsold the 360. Both the 360 and PS3 sell at around the same pace and from an article I read had around the same total sales worldwide for 08. Yet somehow I constantly see people bad mouthing the PS3's sales while praising the 360 even though they are running at the same pace. Now if your talking about worldwide sales even then the 360 is not even close to being far enough from the PS3's total sales to be bragging worthy. Instead you will have to change the definition of success and have selective goals for each system separtely like most people do here, "The 360 is doing better then the Xbox", "The PS3 is not dominating", "Marketshare", etc.
[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="PoppaGamer"] Coming in second deserves praise though? :lol:PoppaGamerAt least Microsoft can say they are not in last place like the PS3 and even better they can say in less time they sold more then the previous gen. What can Sony say? The PS3 is last and doint much worse then the PS2 in software and hardware sales. Also the PS3 is much worse then the PS2 in software library but the 360 has far improved over the X-box in game library. Again you are cutting this gen short and comparing it to a full one. How is PS3 supposed to have the library the PS2 did? What a joke of an argument.I will reply to this one since it is shorter of the two.
You still do not get it so I will try to make it very simple. The PS3 is going backwards in sales not fowards. I showed you a link already for the 9% drop. In Nov and Dec all three Sony products also sold less then the did the year before according to NPD. Also the PS3 is losing money and a lot of it. Also like I have said the PS3 has the worst software attach rate. The Playstation name carried the PS3 for a good deal of time but that is ending now. In 2007 the PS3 sold more then the 360 but last year the 360 sold slightly more. That shows the PS3 sales are dropping and the 360 sales are growing. That is BAD for Sony.
Now the on to the 360. The 360 has more AAA,AA,and A and a larger library then the PS3. The 360 sales are growing unlike the PS3. The 360 has the highest software attach rate. The 360 has the most diverse game library of the consoles. The 360 has alreadypassed the X-box in sales. The 360 has more online uses the the PS3 even though people pay for the 360 online ( shows how much better the XBL is then PSN)
You like the PS3 and that is fine and I am happy you do but facts are facts and the PS3 is failing right now.
[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="IronBass"] Doesn't "coming back" mean: "return to the top"? The PS3 has never been on the top, so technically, it can't make a comeback >.> Teh conspiracy.ermacnessExactly! thank you. lolThe ps3 didn't make a comeback in a sense of being a ps2 this gen and it can't, but the ps3 is alot more comparable to the 360 now that it was in 07. In that sense, it did make a comeback
A comeback doesnt mean starting in last place and 2 years later still being in last place
[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]How about the 360 after being out for 3 years is still gaining in sales, whereas the PS3 saw a 9% slump in sales over Q3 for this year?blue_hazy_basicHow about we remember that 360 came out a year earlier and that gave them the advantage of being able to get the cost of hardwre reduced faster. LOL do cows just automatically apply that to every argument? Funny I don't see sheep do the same. It was Sony's choice what to put in the PS3 and what price point to sell it at and when to release it. Plus the PS3 has saw a price cut this year too. Its cheaper than last Q3 so shoudln't it sell more if you are using the price "logic"? Why are you focusing on one Quarter of a year and a 9% dip. We are in an economic slump with people not so comfortable making big purchases. Overall the PS3 has seen a dramatic increase in TOTAL sales sold in 08 then in 07. The big picture is more important then one quarter. The PS3 is in higher demand this year then last year.
[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Ha I'd never seen those before, the first one was funny, the second one not as much but worth a watch. As for the comeback question, the PS3 has made a momentus comeback in terms of desirability (come down in price, BR is HD standard, some corking exclusives) but in terms of sales in its still the asmatic kid bringing up the rear.Javy03How do you figure. Its much more expensive then the 360 and for the most part of the year sold more then the 360 worldwide until it dipped to the Wii price level and even then its not selling that bad. Its sales have dramatically risen since 07 where people made fun of the PS3s sales yet it outsold the 360. Both the 360 and PS3 sell at around the same pace and from an article I read had around the same total sales worldwide for 08. Yet somehow I constantly see people bad mouthing the PS3's sales while praising the 360 even though they are running at the same pace. Now if your talking about worldwide sales even then the 360 is not even close to being far enough from the PS3's total sales to be bragging worthy. Instead you will have to change the definition of success and have selective goals for each system separtely like most people do here, "The 360 is doing better then the Xbox", "The PS3 is not dominating", "Marketshare", etc. Well worldwide in the last quarter (Q3) PS3 sales dropped by 9% compared to 07, the PS3 had a price cut this year in case you forgot and thats why its numbers peaked earlier this year and it was outselling the 360. The fact is the PS3 is not gaining any ground (it is in fact beginning to slip) on the 360 and the Wii is just so far out ahead of both its ridiculous. As for changing definition of success I think its you thats doing that. "360 lead doesn't count it was out a year earlier." Funny thing since 05 we've been hearing from cows and Sony about this vast army of PS2 fans just waiting to go buy the PS3 .... and it hasn't happenned. If you think Sony being 7-8 million behind MS, and as for the Wii well enough said, by 09 and the gap being widened was ever going to be considered a success, and for MS to find themselves being in a comfortable 2nd place as anything other than successful, then I guess you're so mired in your beliefs that you can't see the wood for the trees.
[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="PoppaGamer"] How about we remember that 360 came out a year earlier and that gave them the advantage of being able to get the cost of hardwre reduced faster.Javy03LOL do cows just automatically apply that to every argument? Funny I don't see sheep do the same. It was Sony's choice what to put in the PS3 and what price point to sell it at and when to release it. Plus the PS3 has saw a price cut this year too. Its cheaper than last Q3 so shoudln't it sell more if you are using the price "logic"? Why are you focusing on one Quarter of a year and a 9% dip. We are in an economic slump with people not so comfortable making big purchases. Overall the PS3 has seen a dramatic increase in TOTAL sales sold in 08 then in 07. The big picture is more important then one quarter. The PS3 is in higher demand this year then last year. Becuase it was the last quarter, hence the latest figures, its the most important retail time of the year? The PS3 had a PRICE CUT which is why it saw a boost in sales, you know the same way you dismiss the 360 because it had one?
Its also the best way to see current trends.
Why are you focusing on one Quarter of a year and a 9% dip. We are in an economic slump with people not so comfortable making big purchases. Overall the PS3 has seen a dramatic increase in TOTAL sales sold in 08 then in 07. The big picture is more important then one quarter. The PS3 is in higher demand this year then last year. Becuase it was the last quarter, hence the latest figures, its the most important retail time of the year? The PS3 had a PRICE CUT which is why it saw a boost in sales, you know the same way you dismiss the 360 because it had one?[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] LOL do cows just automatically apply that to every argument? Funny I don't see sheep do the same. It was Sony's choice what to put in the PS3 and what price point to sell it at and when to release it. Plus the PS3 has saw a price cut this year too. Its cheaper than last Q3 so shoudln't it sell more if you are using the price "logic"?blue_hazy_basic
Its also the best way to see current trends.
With the price cut ps3 was still more expensive than the 360. 360 was cheaper than ps3 and took another price cut. Good business move but with the $200 difference in price I don't think it's outselling the ps3 by as much as it should be outselling it
[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Ha I'd never seen those before, the first one was funny, the second one not as much but worth a watch. As for the comeback question, the PS3 has made a momentus comeback in terms of desirability (come down in price, BR is HD standard, some corking exclusives) but in terms of sales in its still the asmatic kid bringing up the rear.blue_hazy_basicHow do you figure. Its much more expensive then the 360 and for the most part of the year sold more then the 360 worldwide until it dipped to the Wii price level and even then its not selling that bad. Its sales have dramatically risen since 07 where people made fun of the PS3s sales yet it outsold the 360. Both the 360 and PS3 sell at around the same pace and from an article I read had around the same total sales worldwide for 08. Yet somehow I constantly see people bad mouthing the PS3's sales while praising the 360 even though they are running at the same pace. Now if your talking about worldwide sales even then the 360 is not even close to being far enough from the PS3's total sales to be bragging worthy. Instead you will have to change the definition of success and have selective goals for each system separtely like most people do here, "The 360 is doing better then the Xbox", "The PS3 is not dominating", "Marketshare", etc. Well worldwide in the last quarter (Q3) PS3 sales dropped by 9% compared to 07, the PS3 had a price cut this year in case you forgot and thats why its numbers peaked earlier this year and it was outselling the 360. The fact is the PS3 is not gaining any ground (it is in fact beginning to slip) on the 360 and the Wii is just so far out ahead of both its ridiculous. As for changing definition of success I think its you thats doing that. "360 lead doesn't count it was out a year earlier." Funny thing since 05 we've been hearing from cows and Sony about this vast army of PS2 fans just waiting to go buy the PS3 .... and it hasn't happenned. If you think Sony being 7-8 million behind MS, and as for the Wii well enough said, by 09 and the gap being widened was ever going to be considered a success, and for MS to find themselves being in a comfortable 2nd place as anything other than successful, then I guess you're so mired in your beliefs that you can't see the wood for the trees. The PS3 has been 399 since the holiday season of 07. Its sales have spiked higher and remained higher since then for most of 08 until the 360 dipped to the Wii price level. So no, the PS3 did not have a price drop in 08, it had it in 07. Bringing up the 9% dip in ONE quarter while all the other quarters and the whole year has seen substantial growth seems selective. Especially ignoring the economic situation all economies are in. Obviously the most expensive console will suffer the most. I have no clue how this gen will end but from what the trend has shown is that the PS3 is in higher demand then the 360 when the price gap is much closer. I will be interested to see what will happen when the PS3 inevitably drops its price closer to the 360. Will the 360 drop its price to lower then the PS2's price? WIll that help it or it?
Becuase it was the last quarter, hence the latest figures, its the most important retail time of the year? The PS3 had a PRICE CUT which is why it saw a boost in sales, you know the same way you dismiss the 360 because it had one?As I said before the PS3 was 399 with the 40GB model in 07. It did not have a price drop in 08. As for that the PS3 outsold the 360 for most of the year at a much more expensive price even after the price drop. The 360 was cheaper and is now at the price of the Wii. I am not dismissing any price drop. I am just explaining why one systems sales did better then the other. As for one Quarter determining the "current trend". Its far from that. The holiday season is the holiday season and can't be compared to any other quarter then that quarter. Come January ALL console sales will drop dramatically. You seem to discuss the 9% dip yet not acknowledge the economic situation. This will not last forever and with a more capable leader in charge in the U.S. the country will slowly regain faith in the economy as it slowly gets better. Like I said overall the PS3 was in higher demand in 08 then it was in 07 for the whole year, thats the trend.Its also the best way to see current trends.
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The PS3 has been 399 since the holiday season of 07. Its sales have spiked higher and remained higher since then for most of 08 until the 360 dipped to the Wii price level. So no, the PS3 did not have a price drop in 08, it had it in 07. Bringing up the 9% dip in ONE quarter while all the other quarters and the whole year has seen substantial growth seems selective. Especially ignoring the economic situation all economies are in. Obviously the most expensive console will suffer the most. I have no clue how this gen will end but from what the trend has shown is that the PS3 is in higher demand then the 360 when the price gap is much closer. I will be interested to see what will happen when the PS3 inevitably drops its price closer to the 360. Will the 360 drop its price to lower then the PS2's price? WIll that help it or it?Javy03I'm sorry I thought the PS3 got a price cut in March? As for Q3, do you think sales in Q4 will be more like the last quarter or the one of a year ago? Wouldn't it be fair to say the most recent figures are likely to represent sales patterns until the PS3 sees a price cut?
Its also the best way to see current trends.
As I said before the PS3 was 399 with the 40GB model in 07. It did not have a price drop in 08. As for that the PS3 outsold the 360 for most of the year at a much more expensive price even after the price drop. The 360 was cheaper and is now at the price of the Wii. I am not dismissing any price drop. I am just explaining why one systems sales did better then the other. As for one Quarter determining the "current trend". Its far from that. The holiday season is the holiday season and can't be compared to any other quarter then that quarter. Come January ALL console sales will drop dramatically. You seem to discuss the 9% dip yet not acknowledge the economic situation. This will not last forever and with a more capable leader in charge in the U.S. the country will slowly regain faith in the economy as it slowly gets better. Like I said overall the PS3 was in higher demand in 08 then it was in 07 for the whole year, thats the trend.You're talking about different SKU's and price cuts ... :PPlease Log In to post.
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