FF13 on 360 to have 3 discs.

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#101 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]how? It proves that some next gen games CANT fit on a single dvd. That is what blu ray is for to fit more storage on a single disc.

FFXIII on PS3=1 disc

On 360=3 disc

heybooboo19

because the game exists. blu ray is not needed for the game to be made.

FFXIII could probably exist on a handful of single-layer DVDs. That doesn't mean we should toss larger formats like dual-layer DVD and Blu-ray out.

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#102 Anjunaddict
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]how? It proves that some next gen games CANT fit on a single dvd. That is what blu ray is for to fit more storage on a single disc.

FFXIII on PS3=1 disc

On 360=3 disc

13C

because the game exists. blu ray is not needed for the game to be made.

I suppose lager disc formats never were needed. Not even DVD. We could all still be using cds. We would just need to swap discs.

No, but look at it this way. Had the PS2 stuck with the CD format, the vast majority of its games would have released on multiple discs. The need for the DVD at that time was well justified. Now look at the 360. Still using the DVD, yet the vast majority of its games are single disc. Im not trying to say blu ray is useless or anything, its just not necessary now. Next gen, yes. But not now.
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#103 JuarN18
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Only 3 :shock:

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#104 93soccer
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another reason not to buy a 360 when you can have bigger storage with blu-ray format with the ps3.pstripl3
All this proves is that DVD's still can handle everything Blu-rays can :? BTW, do you just go around on SW trying to bash 360's and advertise PS3's?
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#105 TintedEyes
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[QUOTE="13C"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

because the game exists. blu ray is not needed for the game to be made.

CaseyWegner

I suppose lager disc formats never were needed. Not even DVD. We could all still be using cds. We would just need to swap discs.

and?

Oh now your just being silly.
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#106 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="13C"]

I suppose lager disc formats never were needed. Not even DVD. We could all still be using cds. We would just need to swap discs.

TintedEyes

and?

Oh now your just being silly.

i am not being silly. this is nothing new. blu ray IS NOT needed.

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#107 Kashiwaba
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

and?

CaseyWegner

Oh now your just being silly.

i am not being silly. this is nothing new. blu ray IS NOT needed.

No lol its needed or as he said even DVD isnt needed we can have games on many CDs and keep swapping after all they are even cheaper than DVD.

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#108 HavocV3
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Old. But that's ok. Lost Odyssey was 4 discs which makes me wonder if FFXIII is a short game..xsubtownerx

my sig feels appropriate, ignore the text beside it TC.

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#109 xsubtownerx
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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]Old. But that's ok. Lost Odyssey was 4 discs which makes me wonder if FFXIII is a short game..Kashiwaba

Lost Odyssey got 3 or 4 languages voice acting.

Actually it was more like 5 or 6. But that's a good point.
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#110 falldogout
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I don't even like FF

*goes back to bayonetta and ME2*

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#111 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] Oh now your just being silly.Kashiwaba

i am not being silly. this is nothing new. blu ray IS NOT needed.

No lol its needed or as he said even DVD isnt needed we can have games on many CDs and keep swapping after all they are even cheaper than DVD.

if square enix was unable to/refused to make the game because of the issue, that's one thing. putting it on multiple discs shows that it's not needed. is the difference between necessity and convenience not understood?

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#112 Master_ShakeXXX
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Disc swapping in the year 2010. Now that's funny...

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#113 Kashiwaba
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[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

i am not being silly. this is nothing new. blu ray IS NOT needed.

CaseyWegner

No lol its needed or as he said even DVD isnt needed we can have games on many CDs and keep swapping after all they are even cheaper than DVD.

if square enix was unable to/refused to make the game because of the issue, that's one thing. putting it on multiple discs shows that it's not needed. is the difference between necessity and convenience not understood?

But still like I said its needed SE decided to port on 360 and use 3 DVDs because it will profit them more and yet they compressed the audio and downscaled the CG cutscenes from 1080P to 720P which means blu-ray was needed on PS3 to deliver it at its best shape.

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#114 Anjunaddict
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Disc swapping in the year 2010. Now that's funny...

Master_ShakeXXX
Really? And what about when we reach a stage when games span multiple blu ray discs? Will it still be funny then? :roll:
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#115 XileLord
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Not going to be playing a crappy dubbed version of a japanese game so it doesn't matter to me.

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#116 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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But still like I said its needed SE decided to port on 360 and use 3 DVDs because it will profit them more and yet they compressed the audio and downscaled the CG cutscenes from 1080P to 720P which means blu-ray was needed on PS3 to deliver it at its best shape.Kashiwaba
Will those differences be big enough for to say that because of a single game BR is needed? To me, it sounds like a small difference.
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#117 vaderhater
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Disc swapping in the year 2010. Now that's funny...

Master_ShakeXXX

Disks at all even funnier.......

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#118 blazinpuertoroc
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[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

it proves blu ray isn't needed. :?

CaseyWegner

how? It proves that some next gen games CANT fit on a single dvd. That is what blu ray is for to fit more storage on a single disc.

FFXIII on PS3=1 disc

On 360=3 disc

because the game exists. blu ray is not needed for the game to be made.

good point, but you must admit it makes things more convenient. Wouldnt you want things that way?

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#119 Texas2089
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Meh. 3 Discs isn't too bad. It takes maybe 2 seconds to swap a disc. Do it twice and you're done. Not too bad. The only thing that could get annoying is if you have to keep swapping back and forth between the discs to go to certain areas like in Star Ocean how you had to keep swapping between the 2nd and 3rd disc to get to certain places. Other than that, like I said, it takes 2 seconds to swap a disc so not a big deal. That being said, I'm still buying the game for PS3 :P
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#120 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]how? It proves that some next gen games CANT fit on a single dvd. That is what blu ray is for to fit more storage on a single disc.

FFXIII on PS3=1 disc

On 360=3 disc

blazinpuertoroc

because the game exists. blu ray is not needed for the game to be made.

good point, but you must admit it makes things more convenient. Wouldnt you want things that way?

need vs want

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#121 visionary
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

No lol its needed or as he said even DVD isnt needed we can have games on many CDs and keep swapping after all they are even cheaper than DVD.

Kashiwaba

if square enix was unable to/refused to make the game because of the issue, that's one thing. putting it on multiple discs shows that it's not needed. is the difference between necessity and convenience not understood?

But still like I said its needed SE decided to port on 360 and use 3 DVDs because it will profit them more and yet they compressed the audio and downscaled the CG cutscenes from 1080P to 720P which means blu-ray was needed on PS3 to deliver it at its best shape.

That's like saying upgradable consoles are needed because the current gpu hardware can't keep up with the visual beauty a PC can deliver running the same games (despite it being a convenient thought) o_O. Like he said in his original argument, a convenience is not the same as a need. A blu-ray player provides a welcome convenience but it provides nothing notable that can't be replicated with a few dvd disc swaps.

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#122 vaderhater
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]how? It proves that some next gen games CANT fit on a single dvd. That is what blu ray is for to fit more storage on a single disc.

FFXIII on PS3=1 disc

On 360=3 disc

blazinpuertoroc

because the game exists. blu ray is not needed for the game to be made.

good point, but you must admit it makes things more convenient. Wouldnt you want things that way?

Exactly why DVD took off so much after VHS. This Blu-Ray feels like a stop before DD. Just saying.

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#123 PSdual_wielder
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Disc swapping in the year 2010. Now that's funny...

vaderhater

Disks at all even funnier.......

Yea, cartridges on the PS3 owns every single medium out there. ;)

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#124 nintendo-4life
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[QUOTE="roddollente"]

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]"Oh noez, lemmngz haev 2 swap disc 3 timez lol, ps3 versoin ftw!!!11!" enterawesome

of course it's troublesome. imagine having to change cartridges in the 16-bit era. uh-oh. heck, even PC games (which are in DVD) don't need to swap discs. Neverwinter Nights had 3 discs but yo jsut install them and then that's it.

3 disc swaps throughout a game that lasts 40+ hours is not much, mate.

2 disc swaps, not three.
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#125 lil_speedy_rvd
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This is one of the most useless arguments in the Xbox360 VS PS3, OMGZ YOU G0NNA HAV3 T0 SWITCH TEH DISCS!!!! BLU-RAY IS SOOOOO MUCH BETTER!!. i mean comon have the cows really sunk this low??

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#126 The_Quarian
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That does not seem to be all that big of a deal.
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#127 Shinobi120
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This is one of the most useless arguments in the Xbox360 VS PS3, OMGZ YOU G0NNA HAV3 T0 SWITCH TEH DISCS!!!! BLU-RAY IS SOOOOO MUCH BETTER!!. i mean comon have the cows really sunk this low??

lil_speedy_rvd

Exactly. It's just stupid, really. A LOT of games for this gen have proved that Blu-Ray wasn't needed for this gen like DVD's were needed for last gen. It's just stupid logic to argue about it.

Not only that, 360 owners don't have problems changing discs. PC & Wii owners don't have that problem, either. Should they use Blu-Ray for gaming as well?:roll:

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#128 heybooboo19
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[QUOTE="heybooboo19"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

because the game exists. blu ray is not needed for the game to be made.

CaseyWegner

FFXIII could probably exist on a handful of single-layer DVDs. That doesn't mean we should toss larger formats like dual-layer DVD and Blu-ray out.

need

need

need

A smaller format isn't justfied because more time and effort was put forth to meet the challenges larger formats eliminate or reduce.
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#129 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="heybooboo19"] FFXIII could probably exist on a handful of single-layer DVDs. That doesn't mean we should toss larger formats like dual-layer DVD and Blu-ray out. heybooboo19

need

need

need

A smaller format isn't justfied because more time and effort was put forth to meet the challenges larger formats eliminate or reduce.

need must mean different things to different people. this is strange to me.

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[QUOTE="heybooboo19"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

need

need

need

CaseyWegner

A smaller format isn't justfied because more time and effort was put forth to meet the challenges larger formats eliminate or reduce.

need must mean different things to different people. this is strange to me.

I need popcorn during my movies....nah I don't want it. :P

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="heybooboo19"] FFXIII could probably exist on a handful of single-layer DVDs. That doesn't mean we should toss larger formats like dual-layer DVD and Blu-ray out. heybooboo19

need

need

need

A smaller format isn't justfied because more time and effort was put forth to meet the challenges larger formats eliminate or reduce.

Yes this is why they needed to find work arounds for BR on the PS3 such as repeated data and maditory installs to make it work properly with the PS3's slow BR drive read speed.

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#132 roddollente
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psh. you guys are still in denial because we're at the transition period where we go from DVD to Bluray just like we went from CD to DVD. the funny thing is that this gen there's only one console that does Bluray so everyone gangs up on it but the future is inevitable. they all say, "DVD is a-ok" simply because they only have DVDs. what a shame. and you wonder why DMC3 (whcih was a 2006 game) on the PC had 4 discs. tsk tsk. still in denial. why would you say 'it's not needed' when alot of those game are compressed, and some even take up to 3 discs or so? that just means games are getting too big to fit into a DVD. okay, so why dont we take our 4GB PS2 games and compress it to ~700MB on a CD? why did no one do that in the first place? because there came a time when games became too big, and multiple discs werent an option anymore. this is where we are right now. games are becoming too big so they are needed to be compressed. so what's the solution? Bluray or multiple discs? that's like going backwards. the technology is already there. even if DVDs are cheaper, we could care less since they still sell on the same price at retail.

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#133 Odrec
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[QUOTE="heybooboo19"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

need

need

need

CaseyWegner

A smaller format isn't justfied because more time and effort was put forth to meet the challenges larger formats eliminate or reduce.

need must mean different things to different people. this is strange to me.

I guess we could still be using punched cards going by your definition of "need". :roll:

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#134 CaseyWegner
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psh. you guys are still in denial because we're at the transition period where we go from DVD to Bluray just like we went from CD to DVD. the funny thing is that this gen there's only one console that does Bluray so everyone gangs up on it but the future is inevitable. they all say, "DVD is a-ok" simply because they only have DVDs. what a shame. and you wonder why DMC3 (whcih was a 2006 game) on the PC had 4 discs. tsk tsk. still in denial.

roddollente

am i just imagining the ps3 sitting on the shelf by my tv?

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#135 SaltyMeatballs
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So now because PS3 has Blu-Ray, swapping discs has always hindered developers and gaming? Running games off optical media is fail itself. PC has been doing it right for years with installs. Next gen, no Blu-Ray please, just install onto a huge HDD (maybe solid state drive, who knows) and you get the best.
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#136 Master_ShakeXXX
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Disc swapping in the year 2010. Now that's funny...

Anjunaddict

Really? And what about when we reach a stage when games span multiple blu ray discs? Will it still be funny then? :roll:

Heh. Well you better hope the next Xbox adopts Blu Ray, or something better, because when that happens games on standard DVDs will require 50 disc swaps.

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#137 vaderhater
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[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Disc swapping in the year 2010. Now that's funny...

Master_ShakeXXX

Really? And what about when we reach a stage when games span multiple blu ray discs? Will it still be funny then? :roll:

Heh. Well you better hope the next Xbox adopts Blu Ray, or something better, because when that happens games on standard DVDs will require 50 disc swaps.

Not if the BR drives read alot faster than the one in the PS3 does.

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It's because it doesn't have very much CG.

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#139 nintendo-4life
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psh. you guys are still in denial because we're at the transition period where we go from DVD to Bluray just like we went from CD to DVD. the funny thing is that this gen there's only one console that does Bluray so everyone gangs up on it but the future is inevitable. they all say, "DVD is a-ok" simply because they only have DVDs. what a shame. and you wonder why DMC3 (whcih was a 2006 game) on the PC had 4 discs. tsk tsk. still in denial. why would you say 'it's not needed' when alot of those game are compressed, and some even take up to 3 discs or so? that just means games are getting too big to fit into a DVD. okay, so why dont we take our 4GB PS2 games and compress it to ~700MB on a CD? why did no one do that in the first place? because there came a time when games became too big, and multiple discs werent an option anymore. this is where we are right now. games are becoming too big so they are needed to be compressed. so what's the solution? Bluray or multiple discs? that's like going backwards. the technology is already there. even if DVDs are cheaper, we could care less since they still sell on the same price at retail.

roddollente
It's not needed THIS GEN. how many times do we need to repeat ourselves sheesh. Out of the HUNDREDS of games releasing EVERY YEAR. I doubt you can name 15 titles that require disk swapping on the 360. BD is great technology, it's fantastic! But it's not enough to call superiority over the 360. Swapping discs 2 times is nothing.
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#140 blazinpuertoroc
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[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

because the game exists. blu ray is not needed for the game to be made.

CaseyWegner

good point, but you must admit it makes things more convenient. Wouldnt you want things that way?

need vs want

if we never fufilled our wants we would only pursue water, food and exercise. Think about it, BD capabilites make big games more convenient.

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#142 nintendo-4life
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]good point, but you must admit it makes things more convenient. Wouldnt you want things that way?

blazinpuertoroc

need vs want

if we never fufilled our wants we would only pursue water, food and exercise. Think about it, BD capabilites make big games more convenient.

Then why do I always hear PS fanboys screaming " BD IS TEH NEEDED" and never "BD IS TEH WANTED"?
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#143 vaderhater
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]good point, but you must admit it makes things more convenient. Wouldnt you want things that way?

blazinpuertoroc

need vs want

if we never fufilled our wants we would only pursue water, food and exercise. Think about it, BD capabilites make big games more convenient.

Actually it make games look bigger than they are because of uncompressed audio and repeated data.

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#144 svaubel
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Wow, having to take out a disc and put a new one in every 10-20 hours of gameplay is such an inconvienience. :roll:

So is changing discs when you want to play a new game...

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[QUOTE="roddollente"]

psh. you guys are still in denial because we're at the transition period where we go from DVD to Bluray just like we went from CD to DVD. the funny thing is that this gen there's only one console that does Bluray so everyone gangs up on it but the future is inevitable. they all say, "DVD is a-ok" simply because they only have DVDs. what a shame. and you wonder why DMC3 (whcih was a 2006 game) on the PC had 4 discs. tsk tsk. still in denial. why would you say 'it's not needed' when alot of those game are compressed, and some even take up to 3 discs or so? that just means games are getting too big to fit into a DVD. okay, so why dont we take our 4GB PS2 games and compress it to ~700MB on a CD? why did no one do that in the first place? because there came a time when games became too big, and multiple discs werent an option anymore. this is where we are right now. games are becoming too big so they are needed to be compressed. so what's the solution? Bluray or multiple discs? that's like going backwards. the technology is already there. even if DVDs are cheaper, we could care less since they still sell on the same price at retail.

nintendo-4life

It's not needed THIS GEN. how many times do we need to repeat ourselves sheesh. Out of the HUNDREDS of games releasing EVERY YEAR. I doubt you can name 15 titles that require disk swapping on the 360. BD is great technology, it's fantastic! But it's not enough to call superiority over the 360. Swapping discs 2 times is nothing.

Don't even waste your time on them, because they're never going to get it.

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#146 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"][QUOTE="roddollente"]

yes, but it's obvious that devs rather have bluray than a dvd. compressing stuff still takes time. and, considering that they have to worry about space. it's not necessary from our perspective, but isnt it obvious that devs would want something that offers them one less problem to worry about?

roddollente

I think devs would rather have a platform that reaches the widest audience possible. Launching a console with a blu ray drive, thus driving up the cost isnt doing the devs any favours, it only hinders their selling opportunities. If the PS3 had've launched with a DVD drive at a much more competitive price (in comparison with the 360) i think it would have demolished it in sales.

lmao how did you come up with that conclusion? have you ever heard any dev on any interview saying a platform with bluray only hinders their development? we're talking about games, not sales. if that is so, then does that mean the Wii is the best out of the big 3? then why is it that third-party games do not sell on that system, given that it has a wide audience, and a dirt cheap dvd? where is the selling opportunity you're talknig about there?

anyways, you're completely misleading the topic. what im trying to say is (i dont know why it wasnt clear to you), that devs would rather have a medium with a big capacity than one where there's limited capacity. first off, the devs aren't the ones who will 'publish' the game. it's up to the 'publishers' if the bluray costs go up or down. i think you dont understand something here. devs make games. publishers/distributors sell those games. so....in short terms...devs have nothing to do with the price of bluray simply because they wont pay for it. Rockstar North makes GTA games. Rockstar Games/Take Two publish those games. get it?

how about Naughty Dog makes games. Sony publishes them. do you really think devs such as Naughty Dog would 'pay' for the bluray costs? no. they just have to make a game. and they get paid for it even if the game sells or not. it's not like they wont be paid for 3 years and when the game sells that's the only time theyll get paid. sales don't matter to devs as much as it does to publishers. that $500 million will go to Activision, not the Infinity Ward devs.

But Square Enix is a developer-publisher, like EA and Ubi. They look at both sides of the equation.

PS. Rockstar North (aka DMA Design) is subsidiary to Rockstar Games, which is in turn subsidiary to Take-Two Interactive. Development contracts don't apply with subsidiaries.

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#147 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="roddollente"]

psh. you guys are still in denial because we're at the transition period where we go from DVD to Bluray just like we went from CD to DVD. the funny thing is that this gen there's only one console that does Bluray so everyone gangs up on it but the future is inevitable. they all say, "DVD is a-ok" simply because they only have DVDs. what a shame. and you wonder why DMC3 (whcih was a 2006 game) on the PC had 4 discs. tsk tsk. still in denial. why would you say 'it's not needed' when alot of those game are compressed, and some even take up to 3 discs or so? that just means games are getting too big to fit into a DVD. okay, so why dont we take our 4GB PS2 games and compress it to ~700MB on a CD? why did no one do that in the first place? because there came a time when games became too big, and multiple discs werent an option anymore. this is where we are right now. games are becoming too big so they are needed to be compressed. so what's the solution? Bluray or multiple discs? that's like going backwards. the technology is already there. even if DVDs are cheaper, we could care less since they still sell on the same price at retail.

nintendo-4life
It's not needed THIS GEN. how many times do we need to repeat ourselves sheesh. Out of the HUNDREDS of games releasing EVERY YEAR. I doubt you can name 15 titles that require disk swapping on the 360. BD is great technology, it's fantastic! But it's not enough to call superiority over the 360. Swapping discs 2 times is nothing.

Especially when you consider that the Final Fantasy still considered the best of the disc era, #7, also had three discs. Doesn't seem to have soured its perception any. Now, why hasn't BD been such a big thing this gen? One, the PS3's BD drive is slow, making load times a drag. If it'd been 4x or faster (which wasn't available until 2007 or so), the PS3 would be cooking. Two, the RAM. Having big worlds on disc is one thing, but you can't play it unless it's in the RAM. Sure, you can have the dynamic loading system that GTA4 and the like do, but if you want a big persistent level like the PC has with Crysis, you're SOL. IOW, the ratio between space and RAM is too great to get the practicalities right for some of the new game ideas.
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#148 XenogearsMaster
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[QUOTE="heybooboo19"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

need

need

need

CaseyWegner

A smaller format isn't justfied because more time and effort was put forth to meet the challenges larger formats eliminate or reduce.

need must mean different things to different people. this is strange to me.

We actually don't "need" gaming anyways..... You should give up with that argument.

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#149 mdh1982
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Wow, having to take out a disc and put a new one in every 10-20 hours of gameplay is such an inconvienience. :roll:

So is changing discs when you want to play a new game...

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Not on the PC, I have over 30 games on the hard driver, and never use the disks

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#150 good_sk8er7
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I hate multiple disc games -.-

One of the only drawbacks of ME2!

Oh wellz, I'm getting this for PS3 :)