FFX is Better than Lost Odyssey.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Final Fantasy X's sphere grid system simply demonstrated to me that Square Enix had finally mastered the art of sucking all of the fun out of character growth. When an Excel Spreadsheet and GameFAQs guide are mandatory equipment just to get through a damn game, something went wrong in design.

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I don't recall the point in anything else claiming to be a "cinematic fantasy" where the story needed to be halted for ten minutes, so that Frodo could advance his avatar eight spaces around the board, and unlock a healing spell.

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For all its faults, Lost Odyssey had fantastic characters, and the sense not to try the patience of its audience by making character management needlessly complex. Lost Odyssey kept the stats out of the way of the story, while Final Fantasy X held your head buried in the litter box.

Koalakommander

It's kind of a universally accpeted thing that as you kill stuff in RPGs, you get better at it . I don't see how a sphere grid system that eventually allows you to make hybrid characters as a poor choice for an FF.

I also don't see how it was complex at all. Random battle -- get ability points -- use them to move on grid to gain abilities. If you wanted that process automated I don't think it would have felt very satisfying, and it would have made those tedious random battles even more unbearable.

true.. i didnt find it complex at all.. i agree 100% with what u said Koalakommander;)

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

Final Fantasy X's sphere grid system simply demonstrated to me that Square Enix had finally mastered the art of sucking all of the fun out of character growth. When an Excel Spreadsheet and GameFAQs guide are mandatory equipment just to get through a damn game, something went wrong in design.

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I don't recall the point in anything else claiming to be a "cinematic fantasy" where the story needed to be halted for ten minutes, so that Frodo could advance his avatar eight spaces around the board, and unlock a healing spell.

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For all its faults, Lost Odyssey had fantastic characters, and the sense not to try the patience of its audience by making character management needlessly complex. Lost Odyssey kept the stats out of the way of the story, while Final Fantasy X held your head buried in the litter box.

devious742

It's kind of a universally accpeted thing that as you kill stuff in RPGs, you get better at it . I don't see how a sphere grid system that eventually allows you to make hybrid characters as a poor choice for an FF.

I also don't see how it was complex at all. Random battle -- get ability points -- use them to move on grid to gain abilities. If you wanted that process automated I don't think it would have felt very satisfying, and it would have made those tedious random battles even more unbearable.

true.. i didnt find it complex at all.. i agree 100% with what u said Koalakommander;)

yea, but the game still sucked.

FF is the most overrated series ever madeDeadToFall

Same with all Zelda games..

I did like Final Fantasy X, but not as much as other Final Fantasies, and I though Lost Odyssey had alittle bit better characrters, Kaim, Jansen, Seth, and Sarah where all great characters. While I didn't hate the FFX characters I didn't most of them all that great.

Actually those last two pics with the SPARTAN amors were HOMEMADE :|

A_zombie

Well they are not 'homemade' but are not with MS or Bungie, although if they could use that might of well have Cosplay too, and there is alot more Final Fantasy cosplay than Halo. Also in Japan you could buy Final Fantasy stuff from Capsule machines on the street (alhough to be fair this seems common, I have a Shu and Zola keychain, which I got from one Blue Dragon Capsule Machine)

Truth be heard I love both Halo and Final Fantasy they are both alittle bit overrated. Halo isn't the best of the best when it comes to FPS, and Final Fantasy isn't the best of the best when it comes to RPGs, They are both still great, but I like other games better. (I think Disgaea is a better RPG serise than Final Fantasy)

No it doesn't...not even close...

Everything else except the battle/skill system I will agree on, FFX even had fewer (and shorter) loadtimes that LO! It's as if the developer had no idea there was a HDD to stream stuff too...you get used to the tiny areas and constant loads after a bit but truth be told you shouldn't have to.

The world in LO was also quite boring with most of the places seeming the same and not very culturally or racially disctinct (Khents withstanding) and the world map was simply an indescripit blur (tbh the use of depth of field should was so bad it would be better without).

FFX has a better story , characters, world and an active time battle system. Lost Odyssey just has a couple of good characters.blitzkid1

HELL NO!!!

that is exactly where final fantasy X failed

Lost Odyssey was a decent JRPG but nothing special but it doesn't even beat FF XII let alone FFX.Flamestos

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]Lost Odyssey had a great cast of characters except for the main villain. As for the story its really cliched and goes gown hill after disc 2. FFX was a disaster except for the sphere grid, Auron and Lulu. So LO > FFX IMOKoalakommander

If if you consider a game that's AAA on gamerankings, sold millions of copies, and considered to be one the best PS2 games to date a disaster, I would love to hear what a good game is.

[QUOTE="Flamestos"]Lost Odyssey was a decent JRPG but nothing special but it doesn't even beat FF XII let alone FFX.dru26

I wanted something different from Mistwalker Lost Odyssey felt like a old Final Fantasy game in new paint. He should have just stayed with Square-Enix if that was all he was going to do. I was expecting some new. It was still better then Blue Dragon which was below average.

FF XII had it's short comings definitely but Square-Enix is working towards bringing the series in a new direction they just haven't fully realize the new gameplay yet. The story was a change of pace as well but could be improved also. FF XIII will be telling considering it's supposed to push the system in FF XII forward.

[QUOTE="blitzkid1"][QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]

FFX is a last gen game.

Lol name me a PS3 jrpg thats better then Lost Odessey lol

-GhostMLD-

Disgaea 3

CONFIRMED: a ps3 fan declares the PS3 an inferior jrpg console, as he said the best jrpg it has is Disgaea 3.

u heard it here first!

I think he meant it is going to have a better score then lost odyssey. Also the combat system in disgaea 3 also looks to be better. Will the story be better, we wont know until the game ships but from gameplay, disgaea 3 looks to have alot more going for it then Lost Odyssey. Also u forget, White Knight Chronicles, Tears to Tiara, Valkyria Chronicles, Final Fantasy 13, and Final Fantasy 13 Versus.

Auron> Any character in LO

Auron> Any character in LO

Mongo-Boss

Even though tidus was the main character, Auron was just bad a$$ and was my favorite out of them all. Wakka wasnt to shabby either, loved his hawaaian accent, I still cant believe him and LuLu had a kid if im not correct in FX-2. Anyone remember Trema from FX-2, damn that boss alone would own every boss in Lost Odyssey, but I still loved the story in Lost Odyssey, I just thought that they couldve done better with the moves for the characters, I mean where was the special moves at? like the Jecht Shot of Tidus. Check out this video with some of the best Final Fantasy Finishing Moves. My favorite was the Omnislash from cloud and the lion heart from squall. All awesome finishing attacks I didnt get to see any of these in Lost Odyssey. Check it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlRnnVF7QmE

Auron> Any character in LO

Mongo-Boss

LOL Final Fantasy X en XII were both very very very much better than Lost Odyssey . LO only had good graphics (although not everywhere) but the gameplay became boring even before the first disc ended . And please don't start about those children !! They were so....ughhh !!! The main villain must be the biggest wuss ever in video game history !! Even the sound wasn't that big of a deal . Locations were boring, exploration was boring, even the menu system is basically 20 years old !! The story was boring, the characters were boring .

If Lost Odyssey was called "Final Fantasy 13" it would get a score of 3 or maybe 4 out of 10 . Final Fantasy X and XII are much better and only critisized because they bear the name Final Fantasy !!!! I loved both 10 and 12, not that they were perfect games, but waaay better than Lost Odyssey . It got a 7.5 and that was deserved !!!

FFX has a better story , characters, world and an active time battle system. Lost Odyssey just has a couple of good characters.blitzkid1

FF10 comparing to LO is a last gen thing, totally

The visuals and art in LO destroy those in FF10, the story is leaps and bounds better than FF10 story and the gameplay is the usual JRPG garbage, that is crap in both euqally for me

FF12 is the worst JRPG i have ever played

[QUOTE="Mongo-Boss"]

Auron> Any character in LO

clintos59

Even though tidus was the main character, Auron was just bad a$$ and was my favorite out of them all. Wakka wasnt to shabby either, loved his hawaaian accent, I still cant believe him and LuLu had a kid if im not correct in FX-2. Anyone remember Trema from FX-2, damn that boss alone would own every boss in Lost Odyssey, but I still loved the story in Lost Odyssey, I just thought that they couldve done better with the moves for the characters, I mean where was the special moves at? like the Jecht Shot of Tidus. Check out this video with some of the best Final Fantasy Finishing Moves. My favorite was the Omnislash from cloud and the lion heart from squall. All awesome finishing attacks I didnt get to see any of these in Lost Odyssey. Check it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlRnnVF7QmE

That is because Lost Odyssey's main focus was on magic and why all the finishing power attacks where by the magic characters not Kain or Seth. Although there was one finishing move but you have to unlock it, Ultimate Hit. Here is a video showing the powerful attacks/magic spells. The good ones don't start until after 1 minute

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pOsz7kG7HjU

I've beaten both games and got all the achievement points for LO. FFX is definitly the better game. The leveling system is much better in FFX allowing for complete customization of character growth and can keep characters balanced. In LO you don't really have any control over character's stats and by the the end of the game the mortals are just completely useless in battle. Also, the horrible lag that reviewers experienced exists was fixed for discs 1-3 but not 4, the battles usually take quite a long time to load compared to the previous 3 discs

Honestly the worst thing with LO is the story, there are soooo many plot holes, mistakes, or contradictions within the story that just make the game seem completely rushed. It was a decent game but FFX just destroys it.

7CloudStrife7

Agreed .

[QUOTE="DeadToFall"]FF is the most overrated series ever madeblitzkid1

okay.

actually I would say that its Halo, but thats just me and my common sense

[QUOTE="ROCKBO"][QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]

FFX is a last gen game.

Lol name me a PS3 rpg thats better then Lost Odessey LOL!

ROCKBO

lol try not using lol at the beginning and end of your sentence and ill concider your opinion LOL!

oh and oblivion, and soon to be disgaea 3

Are you serious? :lol: you do know that the 360 had Oblivion almost a year before the PS3, right?

[QUOTE="clintos59"][QUOTE="Mongo-Boss"]

Auron> Any character in LO

spinecaton

Even though tidus was the main character, Auron was just bad a$$ and was my favorite out of them all. Wakka wasnt to shabby either, loved his hawaaian accent, I still cant believe him and LuLu had a kid if im not correct in FX-2. Anyone remember Trema from FX-2, damn that boss alone would own every boss in Lost Odyssey, but I still loved the story in Lost Odyssey, I just thought that they couldve done better with the moves for the characters, I mean where was the special moves at? like the Jecht Shot of Tidus. Check out this video with some of the best Final Fantasy Finishing Moves. My favorite was the Omnislash from cloud and the lion heart from squall. All awesome finishing attacks I didnt get to see any of these in Lost Odyssey. Check it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlRnnVF7QmE

That is because Lost Odyssey's main focus was on magic and why all the finishing power attacks where by the magic characters not Kain or Seth. Although there was one finishing move but you have to unlock it, Ultimate Hit. Here is a video showing the powerful attacks/magic spells. The good ones don't start until after 1 minute

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pOsz7kG7HjU

I already knew that but the fact is he shouldve added limit breaks or even summons to make the game have more variety in gameplay. Yes those magic look pretty good but those are nothing special, u have alot of type magic u can also use in FFX. I find the summons the most effective of them all, here is a video of FFX summons, this kills every magic attack on Lost Odyssey. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qAgLl8o_bs

Comparing them graphically is unfair,

But in terms of story and characters I will lean toward Lost Odyssey

[QUOTE="spinecaton"][QUOTE="clintos59"][QUOTE="Mongo-Boss"]

Auron> Any character in LO

clintos59

Even though tidus was the main character, Auron was just bad a$$ and was my favorite out of them all. Wakka wasnt to shabby either, loved his hawaaian accent, I still cant believe him and LuLu had a kid if im not correct in FX-2. Anyone remember Trema from FX-2, damn that boss alone would own every boss in Lost Odyssey, but I still loved the story in Lost Odyssey, I just thought that they couldve done better with the moves for the characters, I mean where was the special moves at? like the Jecht Shot of Tidus. Check out this video with some of the best Final Fantasy Finishing Moves. My favorite was the Omnislash from cloud and the lion heart from squall. All awesome finishing attacks I didnt get to see any of these in Lost Odyssey. Check it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlRnnVF7QmE

That is because Lost Odyssey's main focus was on magic and why all the finishing power attacks where by the magic characters not Kain or Seth. Although there was one finishing move but you have to unlock it, Ultimate Hit. Here is a video showing the powerful attacks/magic spells. The good ones don't start until after 1 minute

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pOsz7kG7HjU

I already knew that but the fact is he shouldve added limit breaks or even summons to make the game have more variety in gameplay. Yes those magic look pretty good but those are nothing special, u have alot of type magic u can also use in FFX. I find the summons the most effective of them all, here is a video of FFX summons, this kills every magic attack on Lost Odyssey. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qAgLl8o_bs

But FFX suffers from the same problem that most JRPG's have. Once your characters can do max damage magic casters effectively become useless. That's not mentioning the fact that in many RPG's you learn many spells that you never even use whereas in LO most of them had a use at one time or another.

[QUOTE="clintos59"][QUOTE="spinecaton"][QUOTE="clintos59"][QUOTE="Mongo-Boss"]

Auron> Any character in LO

Articuno76

Even though tidus was the main character, Auron was just bad a$$ and was my favorite out of them all. Wakka wasnt to shabby either, loved his hawaaian accent, I still cant believe him and LuLu had a kid if im not correct in FX-2. Anyone remember Trema from FX-2, damn that boss alone would own every boss in Lost Odyssey, but I still loved the story in Lost Odyssey, I just thought that they couldve done better with the moves for the characters, I mean where was the special moves at? like the Jecht Shot of Tidus. Check out this video with some of the best Final Fantasy Finishing Moves. My favorite was the Omnislash from cloud and the lion heart from squall. All awesome finishing attacks I didnt get to see any of these in Lost Odyssey. Check it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlRnnVF7QmE

That is because Lost Odyssey's main focus was on magic and why all the finishing power attacks where by the magic characters not Kain or Seth. Although there was one finishing move but you have to unlock it, Ultimate Hit. Here is a video showing the powerful attacks/magic spells. The good ones don't start until after 1 minute

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pOsz7kG7HjU

I already knew that but the fact is he shouldve added limit breaks or even summons to make the game have more variety in gameplay. Yes those magic look pretty good but those are nothing special, u have alot of type magic u can also use in FFX. I find the summons the most effective of them all, here is a video of FFX summons, this kills every magic attack on Lost Odyssey. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qAgLl8o_bs

But FFX suffers from the same problem that most JRPG's have. Once your characters can do max damage magic casters effectively become useless. That's not mentioning the fact that in many RPG's you learn many spells that you never even use whereas in LO most of them had a use at one time or another.

Yeah but still I found myself getting pretty bored in Lost Odyssey while in battle because he didnt have many variety of moves, it was all the same attacks and a few magic spells. Of course the only reason I played through because the story was deep, so it made me want to play through and find out what happens.

See this is what makes FF games special because u hardly find yourself doing the same moves over and over again in battle, because there are so many attacks u can use. There are your basic normal attacks, then u have all sorts of elemental attacks, lightning, fire, water, ice, earth, and other elementals I forgot the damn names, then u have summons, and they are awesome aswell because they can attack every enemy at once and the attacks based on how much u powered them up can go over the 9999 damage because some enemies have high power especially bosses and stronger villains, and then u have there special attacks which are like limit breaks which each character has a few awesome finishing attacks which can be used for certain bosses or villains, and not only that but also have an amazing story to go with it. I will take Lost Odyssey story over FFX but as a whole complete game, FFX>>Lost Odyssey.

FFX has a better story , characters, world and an active time battle system. Lost Odyssey just has a couple of good characters.blitzkid1

They are about the same for me. And both destroy FFXII. :)

[QUOTE="blitzkid1"]FFX has a better story , characters, world and an active time battle system. Lost Odyssey just has a couple of good characters.xsubtownerx

They are about the same for me. And both destroy FFXII. :)

FFXII was one of my favourite since FFVII and FFIX

FFX has a better story , characters, world and an active time battle system. Lost Odyssey just has a couple of good characters.blitzkid1

This statement is as obvious as saying 2 + 2 = 4. Of course FFX is better than LO.

Yeah but still I found myself getting pretty bored in Lost Odyssey while in battle because he didnt have many variety of moves, it was all the same attacks and a few magic spells. Of course the only reason I played through because the story was deep, so it made me want to play through and find out what happens.

See this is what makes FF games special because u hardly find yourself doing the same moves over and over again in battle, because there are so many attacks u can use. There are your basic normal attacks, then u have all sorts of elemental attacks, lightning, fire, water, ice, earth, and other elementals I forgot the damn names, then u have summons, and they are awesome aswell because they can attack every enemy at once and the attacks based on how much u powered them up can go over the 9999 damage because some enemies have high power especially bosses and stronger villains, and then u have there special attacks which are like limit breaks which each character has a few awesome finishing attacks which can be used for certain bosses or villains, and not only that but also have an amazing story to go with it. I will take Lost Odyssey story over FFX but as a whole complete game, FFX>>Lost Odyssey.

clintos59

In FFX I found myself getting bored after gettting a certain level because it was too much of a pain to actually pick moves when you can kill everything in one hit any(up until the last couple zones). Most of the time I would just spam X because it was effective and fast. Lost Odyssey on the other hand made you think about certain attacks when entering new zones because you couldn't just spam your way through due to level cap on xp in certain areas. Many of the normal fights I had in Lost Odyssey were tougher then boss battles of FFX. There were many different attacks one could do if you gave your immortals all the links to the skills of mortal characters.

[QUOTE="dru26"][QUOTE="Flamestos"]Lost Odyssey was a decent JRPG but nothing special but it doesn't even beat FF XII let alone FFX.Flamestos

I wanted something different from Mistwalker Lost Odyssey felt like a old Final Fantasy game in new paint. He should have just stayed with Square-Enix if that was all he was going to do. I was expecting some new. It was still better then Blue Dragon which was below average.

FF XII had it's short comings definitely but Square-Enix is working towards bringing the series in a new direction they just haven't fully realize the new gameplay yet. The story was a change of pace as well but could be improved also. FF XIII will be telling considering it's supposed to push the system in FF XII forward.

[QUOTE="blitzkid1"]FFX has a better story , characters, world and an active time battle system. Lost Odyssey just has a couple of good characters.kostmpekir

FF10 comparing to LO is a last gen thing, totally

The visuals and art in LO destroy those in FF10, the story is leaps and bounds better than FF10 story and the gameplay is the usual JRPG garbage, that is crap in both euqally for me

FF12 is the worst JRPG i have ever played

Lol Saolin, we could say (Ps2/Ps3 game here) compared to (360/xbox game here) and the above post will always be exactly the same from you.

[QUOTE="Flamestos"]

[QUOTE="dru26"][QUOTE="Flamestos"]Lost Odyssey was a decent JRPG but nothing special but it doesn't even beat FF XII let alone FFX.dru26

I wanted something different from Mistwalker Lost Odyssey felt like a old Final Fantasy game in new paint. He should have just stayed with Square-Enix if that was all he was going to do. I was expecting some new. It was still better then Blue Dragon which was below average.

FF XII had it's short comings definitely but Square-Enix is working towards bringing the series in a new direction they just haven't fully realize the new gameplay yet. The story was a change of pace as well but could be improved also. FF XIII will be telling considering it's supposed to push the system in FF XII forward.

I hated the system on my first playthrough I thought it was trash (I don't like Western/MMO gameplay) but the second time I liked it abit more. It definitely has it's flaws like I said but I'm hoping SE comes up with something great with FF XIII s they said it would be much more evolved.

Lost Odyssey on the other hand is just the same JRPG I've been playing for years. It's very influenced by past FF games and not something I'd expect when Mistwalker is supposed to be a new experience since Sakaguchi left SE to start anew with Microsoft.

I hated the system on my first playthrough I thought it was trash (I don't like Western/MMO gameplay) but the second time I liked it abit more. It definitely has it's flaws like I said but I'm hoping SE comes up with something great with FF XIII s they said it would be much more evolved.

Lost Odyssey on the other hand is just the same JRPG I've been playing for years. It's very influenced by past FF games and not something I'd expect when Mistwalker is supposed to be a new experience since Sakaguchi left SE to start anew with Microsoft.

Flamestos

I dunno, while a bit rough on the edges, I felt that Final Fantasy XII's combat system was a nice step foward.

Why are we even having this discussion when we all know that FF7 owns everything?Chirag6

Final Fantasy X owns LO lol, I was about to buy a 360 for that game after I tried it for a week (I miss my roommate). Game was full of meh. Its even funnier that people are comparing a last gen RPG to a current gen RPG and the last gen one was better.

At least FF X felt like a true adventure. The graphics were insane for that gen. The story and characters were dynamic enough and instead of X-2 I think they should have did a prequel with Braska and comp. Would have been awesome. I also liked how they got rid of the world map and the extras and sidequest were plentiful. Good challengings. The only thing I had a problem with was the last boss. What a let down.

[QUOTE="dru26"][QUOTE="Flamestos"]

[QUOTE="dru26"][QUOTE="Flamestos"]Lost Odyssey was a decent JRPG but nothing special but it doesn't even beat FF XII let alone FFX.Flamestos

I wanted something different from Mistwalker Lost Odyssey felt like a old Final Fantasy game in new paint. He should have just stayed with Square-Enix if that was all he was going to do. I was expecting some new. It was still better then Blue Dragon which was below average.

FF XII had it's short comings definitely but Square-Enix is working towards bringing the series in a new direction they just haven't fully realize the new gameplay yet. The story was a change of pace as well but could be improved also. FF XIII will be telling considering it's supposed to push the system in FF XII forward.

I hated the system on my first playthrough I thought it was trash (I don't like Western/MMO gameplay) but the second time I liked it abit more. It definitely has it's flaws like I said but I'm hoping SE comes up with something great with FF XIII s they said it would be much more evolved.

Lost Odyssey on the other hand is just the same JRPG I've been playing for years. It's very influenced by past FF games and not something I'd expect when Mistwalker is supposed to be a new experience since Sakaguchi left SE to start anew with Microsoft.

wHY IS EVERYONE BASHING on Final Fantasy XII when it reseved better ratings and most selling game on the ps2?

Go to gamerankings and look at how many AAA ratings it got. Now compare to LO which reseved an AA or possibly A on gamerankings.

Play before you pass judgement, as i think its better than X.

being able to compare final fantasy 10 and lost odyssey just shows how under rated lost odyssey really isanujsingh9

No, its just that this gen has yet to get a great jrpg. Lost Odysses is the only above average game we had since Final Fantasy XII and Persona 3.

Why are we even having this discussion when we all know that FF7 owns everything?Chirag6

Don't get me started on that...

Oddly enough I found the most impressive story telling aspects in either games was the dream sequences on LO...they had about all the bluster of a powerpoint presentation but showed you can do a lot with a little...come to think of it, those tacky sequences were much better than most CG sequences that amount to very little.