Final Fantasy XIII > VII

"The linearity in Final Fantasy XIII ruined the game."

This is the most common complaint when discussing the "flaws" of Final Fantasy XIII. And I find this complaint laughable. People, going out of your way for five minutes to collect an item on the overworld does not equate to freedom.

The haters (and yes, that's what you people really are) say there's "nothing to do but go forward and fight monsters". Guess what? That's all there was to do in VII, as well.

"But mmm, there were minigames and TOWNZ in VII!"

You call that variety? I call it padding. You want to waste your time talking to nobodies instead of kicking more monster *** all over the place? You don't believe that anymore than I do. Which brings me to my next point:

"All you do in XIII is mash X to win!" :cry:

That's what you do in EVERY FINAL FANTASY TO DATE.

Seriously, the only Final Fantasy where you didn't have to resort to Attack spam (or rather, couldn't) was Final Fantasy X. The Attack command is the bread and butter of the series, without it, there is no hope for victory. You just notice the constant mash more in XIII because the speed of the game has been cranked up to 11.

"But the Auto-Battle makes it too easy! I don't have to do anything to win." :roll:

Seriously? Leave this thread now. You have other things to worry about if this is an issue for you.

"B-But, the story was crap in XIII! VII's was much better!"

You mean the story with more holes in the plot than in a block of swiss cheese? :lol: There is no motivation for the villain of VII to do what he does. He does it for the sake of being a villain. The rest of the cast in VII was also a disjointed mess of stock anime characters that had NO reason to remain in the plot other than give you more characters to choose from. I could go into detail on the rest of the story, but that would take days.

"You just didn't understand the deep story of VII."

Of course not. There was no "depth" to speak of. What you think is depth is your fanboy mind filling in the gaps so that you can convince yourself it was a good story.

"It doesn't matter, still not as good as *insert FF game here*."

Get out. This is about VII and XIII.

But while we're on the subject, VIII, IX, I, IV, V, VI, X AND XII > VII.

"u mad bro?"

I could ask you the same, bro. I'm just pointing out the same flaws you whine about in one game in the one you so adore. Or are those nostalgia goggles on so tight they're cutting off airflow to your brain?

Discuss.

All Final Fantasy's are garbage. One game being less smelly than the other doesn't matter much

Lost Odyssey>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All

I agree. They were both quite bleh though.

All Final Fantasy's are garbage. One game being less smelly than the other doesn't matter much

Lost Odyssey>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All

Slashless

Disagree. :o

Agree. :o

I agree, Super Bowl 13 was so much better than 7.

All Final Fantasy's are garbage. One game being less smelly than the other doesn't matter much

Lost Odyssey>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All

Slashless

Ahahahahahahahahaha. Sorry mmm, I agree with you on so much but this borders on laughable. Final Fantasy VII is one of the greatest RPGs of all time. Final Fantasy XIII is a steaming pile of dodo turd that should never have been inflicted upon all of us in the first place. It's not like it matters anyway. Both are overrated, and none is the best in the series. Final Fantasy VI>Final Fantasy IX>Final Fantasy IV>Final Fantasy XII>all the others.charizard1605

VII is an overrated pile of trash that shot to stardom on the backs of anime nerds.

Also, IX > VI. VI was also another steaming pile of fail.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Ahahahahahahahahaha. Sorry mmm, I agree with you on so much but this borders on laughable. Final Fantasy VII is one of the greatest RPGs of all time. Final Fantasy XIII is a steaming pile of dodo turd that should never have been inflicted upon all of us in the first place. It's not like it matters anyway. Both are overrated, and none is the best in the series. Final Fantasy VI>Final Fantasy IX>Final Fantasy IV>Final Fantasy XII>all the others.mmmwksil

VII is an overrated pile of trash that shot to stardom on the backs of anime nerds.

Also, IX > VI. VI was also another steaming pile of fail.

VIII>any FF:o:

Ahahahahahahahahaha. Sorry mmm, I agree with you on so much but this borders on laughable. Final Fantasy VII is one of the greatest RPGs of all time. Final Fantasy XIII is a steaming pile of dodo turd that should never have been inflicted upon all of us in the first place. It's not like it matters anyway. Both are overrated, and none is the best in the series. Final Fantasy VI>Final Fantasy IX>Final Fantasy IV>Final Fantasy XII>all the others.charizard1605

It's dangerous to go alone! Take This!

:P

+1 point for recognizing IX's greatnes. -1 point for absolutely undermining VII. It's overrated, but there's substance behind the hype. -1000000000 points for putting the greatest RPG ever made down.charizard1605

I don't undermine VII's accomplishments. I just expose the many, MANY flaws the game had.

And VI the greatest RPG ever made? :lol: x99

You really need to play through that mess of a game again, Chaz.

VIII>any FF:o:

spookykid143

It's better than VII, that's for sure. :lol:

I thought FF13 was ok. Then again I don't dislike many FF games besides FF2 and X-2. Also FF6 was boring.

Never understood why people like FFVII so much I really didn't like it. I really did enjoy XIII but I could never beat it :cry:Kaze_no_Mirai

Everyone else likes it, maybe if they like it too, they can feel like they belong.

Congratulations. I now really want to play Final Fantasy XIII again.

So many hours to spend on a game I've already played... Way to go mmmwksil.

Congratulations. I now really want to play Final Fantasy XIII again.

So many hours to spend on a game I've already played... Way to go mmmwksil.

Zassimick

I'm just doing my duty, Zass. Go play the superior game. Play FFXIII.

You can argue quality if you want but you really can't argue scores, sales and impact (hint: they all disagree with you).

You can argue quality if you want but you really can't argue scores, sales and impact (hint: they all disagree with you).

commonfate

Which is why I didn't mention any of that in the OP.

Come on, common. Try harder! :o

[QUOTE="Slashless"]

All Final Fantasy's are garbage. One game being less smelly than the other doesn't matter much

Lost Odyssey>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All

mmmwksil

Disagree. :o

Agree. :o

VIII>any FF:o:

spookykid143

This is the correct answer.

The only great part of lost odyssey was the 1000 year dreams, everything else isn't that great.soulitane

It has a quality traditional battle system. Story's a bit on the weak side, but darned if it doesn't do the job.

haha good one bro.

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

VIII>any FF:o:

madsnakehhh

This is the correct answer.

All Final Fantasy's are garbage. One game being less smelly than the other doesn't matter much

Lost Odyssey>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All

Slashless

haha good one bro.

xXShortroundXx

Someone can't come up with anything to deny the fact presented. :roll:

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Ahahahahahahahahaha. Sorry mmm, I agree with you on so much but this borders on laughable. Final Fantasy VII is one of the greatest RPGs of all time. Final Fantasy XIII is a steaming pile of dodo turd that should never have been inflicted upon all of us in the first place. It's not like it matters anyway. Both are overrated, and none is the best in the series. Final Fantasy VI>Final Fantasy IX>Final Fantasy IV>Final Fantasy XII>all the others.mmmwksil

VII is an overrated pile of trash that shot to stardom on the backs of anime nerds.

Also, IX > VI. VI was also another steaming pile of fail.

FF 7 is def not trash. However, FF4>FF7 imo.

I love the FF series myself, but yes, LO was way better. Would love to get a sequel to it. So amazing. Xenogears was better than FF series as well. So is the SMT series and so is Chrono Trigger in my opinion. When talking about FF though, I would go VI, XI, XII, IV, VII, IX, V, I, X. I haven't played II, III, or X-2. I just got XIII for like eight bucks at Gamestop as a gift for my kids to give me for Xmas, so I'll get around to that one soon. FPSDad1161

:lol: x99

That joke of a game? Don't even get me started on that piece of trash.

[QUOTE="commonfate"]

You can argue quality if you want but you really can't argue scores, sales and impact (hint: they all disagree with you).

mmmwksil

Which is why I didn't mention any of that in the OP.

Come on, common. Try harder! :o

I honestly don't care, they're about equal to me. I'm just using what ammunition there is.

FF 7 is def not trash. However, FF4>FF7 imo.

ActicEdge

Of course FFIV is better. There's probably only four FF games worse than VII.

shot to stardom on the backs

mmmwksil

[QUOTE="FPSDad1161"]I love the FF series myself, but yes, LO was way better. Would love to get a sequel to it. So amazing. Xenogears was better than FF series as well. So is the SMT series and so is Chrono Trigger in my opinion. When talking about FF though, I would go VI, XI, XII, IV, VII, IX, V, I, X. I haven't played II, III, or X-2. I just got XIII for like eight bucks at Gamestop as a gift for my kids to give me for Xmas, so I'll get around to that one soon. mmmwksil

:lol: x99

That joke of a game? Don't even get me started on that piece of trash.

Sorry but as a long time FF fan I have to disagree with you. FF VII happens to be my favorite FF game even if it's not the best one (III, VII, VIII, and IX were all fantastic IMO). That being said XIII is definitley towards the bottom of the list in terms of how good it was. The decision to make it game over if your main character in the party falls is one of the stupidest things ive ever seen in any RPG especially when you consider that some enemies are capable of one hit kills.

[QUOTE="FPSDad1161"]I love the FF series myself, but yes, LO was way better. Would love to get a sequel to it. So amazing. Xenogears was better than FF series as well. So is the SMT series and so is Chrono Trigger in my opinion. When talking about FF though, I would go VI, XI, XII, IV, VII, IX, V, I, X. I haven't played II, III, or X-2. I just got XIII for like eight bucks at Gamestop as a gift for my kids to give me for Xmas, so I'll get around to that one soon. mmmwksil

:lol: x99

That joke of a game? Don't even get me started on that piece of trash.

There's a reason why people complain about FFXIII's linearity but not X's. X's world was much more atmospheric and felt more real compared to XIII's. When you have to read the datalog to find any real sense of culture in the game, you know something isn't right.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

FF 7 is def not trash. However, FF4>FF7 imo.

mmmwksil

Of course FFIV is better. There's probably only four FF games worse than VII.

I've played to completion FF3,4,5,7,8

Of those, In order of what I liked most it goes FF4>FF7>FF3>FF5>FF8

In order of quality though its FF4>FF7>FF8>FF5>FF3

7 is a great game, how you can give 8 a pass of 7 I will never know.

mmmwksil. TL;DR, my friend. i haven't played VII, so i won't comment on that. what i will comment on is you saying that the complaint about XIII's linearity is laughable. hear me out. first of all, i do like FF XIII quite a lot, in fact i only started getting kinda tired of it when they dropped the story in exchange for that open world thing. with that said (because it's always good to get some anti-hate protection when disagreeing with TC, regardless of who he or she is :P), linearity can be a serious issue. it's not because i or you didn't mind it that it isn't a flaw. the game had literally a single dungeon throughout 40+ hours of it. the problem with linearity is that there is no change of pace. there is no dungeon design, there is no immersion because the sceneries feel so forced, and there is no variety in gameplay. at one point you get tired of walking a straight line and start wishing the world was a bit more natural and the dungeons to actually be dungeons, places that you have to explore and solve puzzles in order to progress. XIII had a great story? yes. the combat was great? yes. did the linearity affect my experience? no. could XIII be better if it wasn't so damn linear? yes, that's the reason XIII-2 exists to begin with.BrunoBRS

Your points are all valid, Bruno. I agree XIII would've been better had it been a bit more open.

However, this thread is to show that XIII, despite this claim of linearity, is still a better game than VII.

mmmwksil It's pretty much a well established fact that Xenogears>all:cool:

spookykid143

Xenogears is an overpraised anime with a crappy combat system. :|

Fair enough, but IX > XIIIBadosh

Fact.

IX is the best FF ever made.

There's a reason why people complain about FFXIII's linearity but not X's. X's world was much more atmospheric and felt more real compared to XIII's. When you have to read the datalog to find any real sense of culture in the game, you know something isn't right.

commonfate

When did I mention X, common? :o

I didn't say XIII's world or story were perfect. Datalog was a terrible idea, I agree.

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

mmmwksil It's pretty much a well established fact that Xenogears>all:cool:

mmmwksil

Xenogears is an overpraised anime with a crappy combat system. :|

Vagrant Story=Chrono Trigger>Parasite Eve>>>much of what I have played :P

I've played to completion FF3,4,5,7,8

Of those, In order of what I liked most it goes FF4>FF7>FF3>FF5>FF8

In order of quality though its FF4>FF7>FF8>FF5>FF3

7 is a great game, how you can give 8 a pass of 7 I will never know.

ActicEdge

I can say VIII is better than VII because at least VIII made some lick of sense. VII's plot (if one could even call it that) was mostly lost in the translation.

Though I doubt it made much more sense in the native language.

[QUOTE="commonfate"]

There's a reason why people complain about FFXIII's linearity but not X's. X's world was much more atmospheric and felt more real compared to XIII's. When you have to read the datalog to find any real sense of culture in the game, you know something isn't right.

mmmwksil

When did I mention X, common? :o

I didn't say XIII's world or story were perfect. Datalog was a terrible idea, I agree.

It's a very common analysis.

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

mmmwksil It's pretty much a well established fact that Xenogears>all:cool:

mmmwksil

Xenogears is an overpraised anime with a crappy combat system. :|

Personally, I enjoyed FFXIII more than VII. I never understood the praise VII got. IMO, the majority of the characters weren't good, and the story was garbage with some awful dialogue and translation. Also, the battle system was average. XIII's was pretty fun, imo.

One thing I did love about FFVII, however, was the amount of optional content it had: snowboarding, Golden Saucer mini-games, optional boss fights, side-missions pertaining to Yuffie and Vincent, some tower-defense mini-game, etc. While they weren't particularly great, they did serve as nice diversions. FFXIII, on the other hand, didn't really have any of that. The missions were just more fighting.