The Last Story is supposed to be a masterpiece, from what I've heard. Like, an actually innovative and unique JRPG. The battle system looks cool, at least.enterawesome
The story takes a backseat to gameplay from what I could tell couple hours I played and impressions from importers say the story isn't that great, but gameplay is definitely the best part.
I'll just go ahead and paste my post from page 3 in response to this, since no one read it. xP
"Just goes to show you that the line separating the western and eastern audiences is getting thicker. And it's troubling me. I understand if Square Enix wants to hold their bigger announcements for TGS, since Japan has their primary target audience, but I feel that all JRPG developers are avoiding the west more and more. If this keeps up, I'm afraid we'll be seeing less and less JRPGs getting launched here. Hell, FFXIII-2 only made an appearence in the booth. No KH, no FFvXIII, no Type-0, no Dragon Quest…. Do I need to paint a picture here? Plus, no JRPG in sight in ANY of the conferences. Because Sesame Street was exactly what we were looking for, right?"
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]There are no great JRPGs anymore.Fraquelli
I'll just go ahead and paste my post from page 3 in response to this, since no one read it. xP
"Just goes to show you that the line separating the western and eastern audiences is getting thicker. And it's troubling me. I understand if Square Enix wants to hold their bigger announcements for TGS, since Japan has their primary target audience, but I feel that all JRPG developers are avoiding the west more and more. If this keeps up, I'm afraid we'll be seeing less and less JRPGs getting launched here. Hell, FFXIII-2 only made an appearence in the booth. No KH, no FFvXIII, no Type-0, no Dragon Quest…. Do I need to paint a picture here? Plus, no JRPG in sight in ANY of the conferences. Because Sesame Street was exactly what we were looking for, right?"
I'm sorry, what does this mean about me? That I'm some westerner who doesn't understand Japan?
actually Radiant Historia is pretty great.... and nonlinear
Really? I thought it did a pretty poor job of presenting its plot, characters, setting, and everything else up, not to mention the Deus Ex Machina that they pull right of ****ing nowhere only thirty minutes into the plot.
"Don't worry Stocke, we'll just give you superstrength!"
If they can do that **** why even bother sending him back in time?
FF13 was the greatest in the franchise by far. FFX a close second.
-TheSecondSign-
You thought it was the best one?
Justa question, but did you ever play 4? Or 6?
Played both (own 4 and used to own 6 ) and I thought Final Fantasy XIII was better than both. Final Fantasy XIII felt like a wild roller coaster ride to me. Easily one of my favorites because it dared to be so different and the game is easily worth the title of Final Fantasy.
I love when texasglodrush comes in and just says the same thing a million times "pfft most of bioware game arent clich in character and story but them jrpg just do the same thing over and over" Dude ME and DA2 has some cliche in them too. Get over it. WE get you dont like the story and characters from this game. Heres an idea if you dont like it so much then ignore it and move on jeez.
FF13 was the greatest in the franchise by far. FFX a close second.
hayato_
You thought it was the best one?
Justa question, but did you ever play 4? Or 6?
Played both (own 4 and used to own 6 ) and I thought Final Fantasy XIII was better than both. Final Fantasy XIII felt like a wild roller coaster ride to me. Easily one of my favorites because it dared to be so different and the game is easily worth the title of Final Fantasy.
I guess I can understand that. From pretty much every standpoint the ones I mentioned are pretty archaic.
I can understand the appeal of FFVI, but FFIV is a pretty silly game. I understand it has charm from the standpoint of it being a "classic" and I am able to enjoy it, but as better than later Final Fantasy games? Ehhhh.
I love when texasglodrush comes in and just says the same thing a million times "pfft most of bioware game arent clich in character and story but them jrpg just do the same thing over and over" Dude ME and DA2 has some cliche in them too. Get over it. WE get you dont like the story and characters from this game. Heres an idea if you dont like it so much then ignore it and move on jeez.
finalfantasy94
Dragon Age: Origins became so cliched and boring after you hit Ironfor-I mean Orzammar, that I actually stopped playing because of it.
I couldn't even stomache the idea of 2.
I'll stand by Mass Effect simply because it really is quite creative, especially the deeper you go into the backstory, but it can also get really, really, REALLY cheesey and over the top at times.
I love when texasglodrush comes in and just says the same thing a million times "pfft most of bioware game arent clich in character and story but them jrpg just do the same thing over and over" Dude ME and DA2 has some cliche in them too. Get over it. WE get you dont like the story and characters from this game. Heres an idea if you dont like it so much then ignore it and move on jeez.
finalfantasy94
I dislike Bioware games after Mass Effect, and I enjoyed KOTOR (Star Wars fan prob). The series is so "fake" to me with the choice system they implemented. Never played DA 2 but I heard it was pretty "meh" as well
I'm sorry, what does this mean about me? That I'm some westerner who doesn't understand Japan?hakanakumono
It's not about you (not only you, at least). I'm just expressing my concern for the way JRPGs have been going this last gen. They havent been making as much of an impact as they used to (here in the West, I mean). And as a result, JRPG developers will be less and less prone to localize them outside Japan. The Last Story is a great example. It's a big title, developed by the creator of Final Fantasy no less, and it never saw a trip to the west.
I've played a few JRPGS this gen and they were all mediocre - "good."
-TheSecondSign-
Keyword, but then again thats your opinion mate ;)
I am 99% certain he's aware of that since its coming from his mouth.
Star Ocean IV is the worst ****ing game ever made in the history of ever.
Just my opinion, though.
Yo son why you be hating on Star Ocean: The Last Hope :P.
I love the Star Ocean series. Another game that got way to much hate imo. I guess fans of the series were the only ones who enjoyed it. Great visuals for the worlds
I love when texasglodrush comes in and just says the same thing a million times "pfft most of bioware game arent clich in character and story but them jrpg just do the same thing over and over" Dude ME and DA2 has some cliche in them too. Get over it. WE get you dont like the story and characters from this game. Heres an idea if you dont like it so much then ignore it and move on jeez.
-TheSecondSign-
Dragon Age: Origins became so cliched and boring after you hit Ironfor-I mean Orzammar, that I actually stopped playing because of it.
I couldn't even stomache the idea of 2.
I'll stand by Mass Effect simply because it really is quite creative, especially the deeper you go into the backstory, but it can also get really, really, REALLY cheesey and over the top at times.
and did you see me rip Dragon Age Origins FOR BEING CLICHED? I actually even called it Lord of the Rings with gore. Dragon Age II is far less cliched than most RPGs in general, especially its plot. The most clcihed thing about the game is that it has elves, dwarves, and dragons in it, thats it.
I love when texasglodrush comes in and just says the same thing a million times "pfft most of bioware game arent clich in character and story but them jrpg just do the same thing over and over" Dude ME and DA2 has some cliche in them too. Get over it. WE get you dont like the story and characters from this game. Heres an idea if you dont like it so much then ignore it and move on jeez.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]I'm sorry, what does this mean about me? That I'm some westerner who doesn't understand Japan?Fraquelli
It's not about you (not only you, at least). I'm just expressing my concern for the way JRPGs have been going this last gen. They havent been making as much of an impact like they used to. And as a result, JRPG developers will be less and less prone to localize them outside Japan. The Last Story is a great example. It's a big title, developed by the creator of Final Fantasy no less, and it never saw a trip to the west. JRPGs that weren't named "Final Fantasy *insert roman numeral here* never really did gain alot of recognition. It amazes me how people think that JRPGs put up big numbers in the past, in Japan and the West as well. The only difference is the lack of JRPGs this gen. There were a ton of bad ones last gen
I love when texasglodrush comes in and just says the same thing a million times "pfft most of bioware game arent clich in character and story but them jrpg just do the same thing over and over" Dude ME and DA2 has some cliche in them too. Get over it. WE get you dont like the story and characters from this game. Heres an idea if you dont like it so much then ignore it and move on jeez.
hayato_
I dislike Bioware games after Mass Effect, and I enjoyed KOTOR (Star Wars fan prob). The series is so "fake" to me with the choice system they implemented. Never played DA 2 but I heard it was pretty "meh" as well Try playing ME3 then when its released...oh wait who lives and who dies determines your party and the chocies you make in the first two affect your choices in the third. It won't be so fake when the leading party member is determined by the choice you made in the first.
"Star Ocean IV is a game entirely void of originality or creativity. There is nothing here truly worthy of mention."
Star Ocean isn't creative or original? ROFL. I guess I am missing out on all of those future/fantasy based RPG's that involve going back in time and busting out of Area 51 that you are playing.
Try playing ME3 then when its released...oh wait who lives and who dies determines your party and the chocies you make in the first two affect your choices in the third. It won't be so fake when the leading party member is determined by the choice you made in the first.texasgoldrush
Eww. Don't want to. The first was so boring *Fake choice their" "Fake choice here" and broken inventory system. The speech gimmick sounds :P (Get it)corny as well.
Star Ocean: The Second Story had choices as well that determined who was in your party as well. Big whoop. Whats the big draw? Thats not new.
[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Try playing ME3 then when its released...oh wait who lives and who dies determines your party and the chocies you make in the first two affect your choices in the third. It won't be so fake when the leading party member is determined by the choice you made in the first.hayato_
Eww. Don't want to. The first was so boring *Fake choice their" "Fake choice here" and broken inventory system. The speech gimmick sounds :P (Get it)corny as well.
Star Ocean: The Second Story had choices as well that determined who was in your party as well. Big whoop. Whats the big draw? Thats not new.
Never mind the fact that Bioware stated that ME3 has multiple endings and your choces determine them. The reason why mE1 and mE2 choices didn't matter much in their respective game is that they had to worry about continuity. They don't in ME3. They can make th eplot diverge as much as they want because there is no ME4 to wrry about. It was always a trilogy. If the plot brached out to much in ME1, it would make mE3 very hard to make.
Your bashing of Star Ocean 4 reminds me of how it is one of my favorite games this gen.
I need to go back and play it again.
texasgoldrush
game is atrocious....and I liked the first two and thought the third to be okay. I hated the first three. I felt like a Weeaboo just playing them. SO:4 - Greatest combat system in an RPG, ever.
actually Radiant Historia is pretty great.... and nonlinear
Really? I thought it did a pretty poor job of presenting its plot, characters, setting, and everything else up, not to mention the Deus Ex Machina that they pull right of ****ing nowhere only thirty minutes into the plot.
"Don't worry Stocke, we'll just give you superstrength!"
If they can do that **** why even bother sending him back in time?
No, it did a good job...and Stockie is not a typical JRPG clcihe hero and the story is not black and white good vs evil all the time. The time travel aspect was great. It really is the true sucessor to Chrono Trigger.
[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Try playing ME3 then when its released...oh wait who lives and who dies determines your party and the chocies you make in the first two affect your choices in the third. It won't be so fake when the leading party member is determined by the choice you made in the first.texasgoldrush
Eww. Don't want to. The first was so boring *Fake choice their" "Fake choice here" and broken inventory system. The speech gimmick sounds :P (Get it)corny as well.
Star Ocean: The Second Story had choices as well that determined who was in your party as well. Big whoop. Whats the big draw? Thats not new.
Never mind the fact that Bioware stated that ME3 has multiple endings and your choces determine them. The reason why mE1 and mE2 choices didn't matter much in their respective game is that they had to worry about continuity. They don't in ME3. They can make th eplot diverge as much as they want because there is no ME4 to wrry about. It was always a trilogy. If the plot brached out to much in ME1, it would make mE3 very hard to make. Tri Ace has already done this. With Star Ocean. Other developers have done the same thing S-E with Final Fantasy X to X-2 and now Final Fantasy XIII to XIII-2 with story. Just to stay relevant Sorry man, I just didn't enjoy Mass Effect or get its appeal. Its just boring and simple with some black or white choices and a choice of characters at the end. Things that have been done, but just refined. Bioware just went downhill to me after KOTOR II and I really tried to give ME a chance, especially after it was my first 360 game, but it was just dull. What has Bioware done that was so interesting or unique, I just don't see it. Others and fans of that series do, but I just don't. Its boring and corny Sorry.
Tri Ace has already done this. With Star Ocean. Other developers have done the same thing S-E with Final Fantasy X to X-2 and now Final Fantasy XIII to XIII-2 with story. Just to stay relevant Sorry man, I just didn't enjoy Mass Effect or get its appeal. Its just boring and simple with some black or white choices and a choice of characters at the end. Things that have been done, but just refined. Bioware just went downhill to me after KOTOR II and I really tried to give ME a chance, especially after it was my first 360 game, but it was just dull. What has Bioware done that was so interesting or unique, I just don't see it. Others and fans of that series do, but I just don't. Its boring and corny Sorry.hayato_
First off, Bioware never made KOTOR II. Second, the chocies ARE NOT BLACK AND WHITE. Its not good and evil, its idealism and cynicism. I can actually morally justify almost every Regengade action in the games. In fact, many I think ARE THE RIGHT DECISION. Renegade is totally different from KOTORs dark side, D&D's evil, and Jade Empires Closed Fist...those cannot be morally justified...Renegade can. Third, those JRPGs you mentioned didn't have save import features that let your choices carry over.
[QUOTE="hayato_"] Tri Ace has already done this. With Star Ocean. Other developers have done the same thing S-E with Final Fantasy X to X-2 and now Final Fantasy XIII to XIII-2 with story. Just to stay relevant Sorry man, I just didn't enjoy Mass Effect or get its appeal. Its just boring and simple with some black or white choices and a choice of characters at the end. Things that have been done, but just refined. Bioware just went downhill to me after KOTOR II and I really tried to give ME a chance, especially after it was my first 360 game, but it was just dull. What has Bioware done that was so interesting or unique, I just don't see it. Others and fans of that series do, but I just don't. Its boring and corny Sorry.texasgoldrush
First off, Bioware never made KOTOR II. Second, the chocies ARE NOT BLACK AND WHITE. Its not good and evil, its idealism and cynicism. I can actually morally justify almost every Regengade action in the games. In fact, many I think ARE THE RIGHT DECISION. Renegade is totally different from KOTORs dark side, D&D's evil, and Jade Empires Closed Fist...those cannot be morally justified...Renegade can. Third, those JRPGs you mentioned didn't have save import features that let your choices carry over. Yeah, they were in the actually in the whole game and I mainly thought Bioware was doing that just to make more money and finish the story, which isn't bad, but its still boring and a cop out to me . Hmm thought they made KOTOR II as well. Owell, its been so long. Still doesn't change that ME is a boring game with black and white choices. The dialogue covers for it mostly from when I played it. It just disguises it. Its pretty much good, middle, bad....thats it. Snooze fest to me
[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="hayato_"] Tri Ace has already done this. With Star Ocean. Other developers have done the same thing S-E with Final Fantasy X to X-2 and now Final Fantasy XIII to XIII-2 with story. Just to stay relevant Sorry man, I just didn't enjoy Mass Effect or get its appeal. Its just boring and simple with some black or white choices and a choice of characters at the end. Things that have been done, but just refined. Bioware just went downhill to me after KOTOR II and I really tried to give ME a chance, especially after it was my first 360 game, but it was just dull. What has Bioware done that was so interesting or unique, I just don't see it. Others and fans of that series do, but I just don't. Its boring and corny Sorry.hayato_
First off, Bioware never made KOTOR II. Second, the chocies ARE NOT BLACK AND WHITE. Its not good and evil, its idealism and cynicism. I can actually morally justify almost every Regengade action in the games. In fact, many I think ARE THE RIGHT DECISION. Renegade is totally different from KOTORs dark side, D&D's evil, and Jade Empires Closed Fist...those cannot be morally justified...Renegade can. Third, those JRPGs you mentioned didn't have save import features that let your choices carry over. Yeah, they were in the actually game which I thought Bioware was doing just to make more money and finish the story, which isn't bad, but its still boring. Hmm thought they made KOTOR II as well. Owell, its been so long. Still doesn't change that ME is a boring game with black and white choices. The dialogue covers for it mostly from when I played it. It just disguises it. Its pretty much good, middle, bad....thats it. Snooze fest to me oh whats so black and white about this choice? A husband loses his marine wife in a Geth attack, but instead of releasing her body to him, they research it. Do you....a) let the military keep her body to help save more lives in future battles with the geth or b) force the military to give her body back to the husband. Not so black and white is it? And what is so bad about executing a criminal....they can't kill again. How is that a "bad" choice? EVERY RENEGADE CHOICE CAN BE MORALLY JUSTIFIED!!!!! There is no bad, its just cynical. In fact Paragons can be quite naive.
I put 40 hours into teh first one and on chapter 11 and I just want it to be over. I should've never gotten into a Final Fantasy game and now I feel like I have to beat it. Its been sitting around for a while.
Probably won't get into this one just for my sanity.
Star Ocean 4 had okay combat, lost it's charm the more you got into the game though. Game also looked pretty, but there are better looking RPGs and games in general.
Everything else about Star Ocean 4 was terrible. Game just gave me such a "meh" feeling the whole way through. That and it didn't give you freedom in deciding what characters you would get in your party like the previous 3 SO games.
I'm not even slightly impressed. The return of a horrible battle system, dull characters, and what seems to be a dull story. I don't even WANT to play it but feel compelled too because of my small hope it will recapture the franchises glory days. The cast of FF 13 was one of the worst cast of RPG's characters ever. I just wish they would remake 7 or 9 already.
It's not looking too bad but I still want to see more. And I really hope you don't play as Noel and Sarah for large portions of the game. Reminds me of the teeth clenching rage parts with Vanille in FFXIII. Lightning isn't the best protagonist in the final fantasy universe but she's better than all the characters in FFXIII at least. Still at least we know you get to battle chaos bahamut with her.
http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/2011/06/07/e3-2011-final-fantasy-xiii-2-demo-atlas-boss-battle-footage.html.... Nice the same boring battle system is back ...Great..GranMaster1
god damnit. i seriously thought they were going to fix that. i think they should go back to the battle system in ff12. or anything other than just pressing x the entire freaking game.
I'm not even slightly impressed. The return of a horrible battle system, dull characters, and what seems to be a dull story. I don't even WANT to play it but feel compelled too because of my small hope it will recapture the franchises glory days. The cast of FF 13 was one of the worst cast of RPG's characters ever. I just wish they would remake 7 or 9 already. cyclops10
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