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#1 PSP107
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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=172887

I mean in my opinion, if you played 007 for the N64, then you played them all. FPS hasnt really changed.

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#2 dream431ca
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They have some changes, but strangly, I would have to agree.
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#3 bob_nope_none
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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=172887

I mean in my opinion, if you played 007 for the N64, then you played them all. FPS hasnt really changed.

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You must have stopped playing fps after goldeneye huh?
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#4 darklord888
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Wow LOL.

Has reggie ever played a Pokemon game? Mario kart? Mario Party?They're all identical!
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#5 USSJAndrew
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No, if you played goldeneye you played a couple of them. If you played Halo CE you played them all.

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#6 Sir_Crocidile
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If I may borrow Kotaku's response

Reggie: "Will they sell a lot of software? Certainly. Will it sell hardware? I think it's an open question," Reggie commented, going on to explain: "I think that the Halo 3 consumer already has the hardware, because they're playing Bioshock and Crackdown and a variety of games that are, in the end, quite similar: first-person shooter experience, multiplayer capable online. Tell me what's new?"

Kotaku: "We guess mini-games and little online support?"

ZING

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#7 elite_ferns1
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i disagree (plays forge and saved films on halo 3)
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#8 Zeliard9
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Perfect Dark was much better than Goldeneye.
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#9 kevy619
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GoldenEye is trash, I couldnt even play it without getting dizzy.
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If I may borrow Kotaku's response

Reggie: "Will they sell a lot of software? Certainly. Will it sell hardware? I think it's an open question," Reggie commented, going on to explain: "I think that the Halo 3 consumer already has the hardware, because they're playing Bioshock and Crackdown and a variety of games that are, in the end, quite similar: first-person shooter experience, multiplayer capable online. Tell me what's new?"

Kotaku: "We guess mini-games and little online support?"

ZING

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ownd. Kotaku rules.

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#11 lazerluke
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Reggie is a real prat. Nintendo just rollout a million mario/zelda games and hesay's Halo 3 whats new?

My Wii is gathering dust while I play Halo 3.

Hey Reggie give me something new!

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#12 nintendo-4life
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Wow LOL.

Has reggie ever played a Pokemon game? Mario kart? Mario Party?They're all identical!darklord888
it seems that you are the one who needs to play them :|
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#13 cronus233
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Yeah, I'm glad that I have more than one big franchise that will certainly drive sales for the Wii.
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#14 BreakingPoint8
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Legend of Zelda, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Super Smash Brothers blah blah blah they have hardly changed gameplay wise since the N64. Kinda why TP got an 8.8 here at Gamespot. But I agree with Reggie MP3 was too much like MP and MP2.
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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=172887

I mean in my opinion, if you played 007 for the N64, then you played them all. FPS hasnt really changed.

PSP107
So is he saying Metroid prime is generic too?
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#16 mjarantilla
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Reggie is a real prat. Nintendo just rollout a million mario/zelda games and hesay's Halo 3 whats new?

My Wii is gathering dust while I play Halo 3.

Hey Reggie give me something new!

lazerluke

There's only been one Mario and two Zelda games per generation for going on fifteen years now. :|

Ohhhh, you're talking about SPINOFFS. Well, let's give MS time. Halo is a much younger brand. They only JUST announced Halo Wars. And Peter Jackson's Halo game. And the Spartan chick in DOA4. And Halo Mountain Dew.

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Legend of Zelda, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Super Smash Brothers blah blah blah they have hardly changed gameplay wise since the N64. Kinda why TP got an 8.8 here at GamespotBreakingPoint8
Exactly I still haven't seen what the wiimote could do for those franchise. There is no revolutionary gameplay there. I still will enjoy the games though.
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suddenly i think he is more of an idiot.

FPS have far evolved Goldeneye in terms of controls on consoles. the controls for goldeneye are atrocious at this point.

The gameplay for console shooters has gotten more fluid, more tactical, more competitive(online), has better production values, some have good stories(Halo,) some have funny stories(time splitters), some have great stories(half life)

Goldeneye has beeen surpassed. So has Halo Combat evolved from last gen and halo 2. The current console shooter king is Halo 3 until dethrowned either next gen or maybe this gen.

PC shooters are far ahead of goldeney its not even funny.
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#19 PBSnipes
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Reggie says this stuff to get some cheap press coverage, it's an old marketing tactic. "OMG! Look at how controversial I am! Look at how innovative the Wii is!" The guy is just as bad as Tretton or some of the other ass-hats at Sony, the only difference is Reggie's console is doing well.
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#20 USSJAndrew
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[QUOTE="darklord888"]Wow LOL.

Has reggie ever played a Pokemon game? Mario kart? Mario Party?They're all identical!nintendo-4life
it seems that you are the one who needs to play them :|

Your response fails. I've played them and the biggest difference in all the games is probably from Mario kart64 to Mario kart double dash(Mario kart64 was just like a 3d version of super Mario kart). Everything else in all three series are pretty much exactly the same.

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#21 jg4xchamp
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Legend of Zelda, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Super Smash Brothers blah blah blah they have hardly changed gameplay wise since the N64. Kinda why TP got an 8.8 here at Gamespot. But I agree with Reggie MP3 was too much like MP and MP2.BreakingPoint8

Melee was greatly improved and differeent from Smash Bros.

The whole mechanics for Mario Kart 64 and Double Dash were differeent.

Wind Waker, MM, and OOT were 3 different zelda games all together.

TP was to much of the same.

MP 3 to me was a bit different, with a faster pace, better boss fights, and a completely different game.

Reggie is dumb with his statement, but Nintendo does mix it up in there own franchises. Except for TP that was a mistake.

Although with what we have seen from Mario Galaxy and SMash Bros Brawl i think we are getting some improvements on those ends.
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#22 Grive
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Actually, I lost a LOT of respect for Reggie after that quote. He used to kick ass and take names... that quote was on a low level even for uneducated fanboys or sony executives.
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#24 mjarantilla
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suddenly i think he is more of an idiot.

FPS have far evolved Goldeneye in terms of controls on consoles. the controls for goldeneye are atrocious at this point.

The gameplay for console shooters has gotten more fluid, more tactical, more competitive(online), has better production values, some have good stories(Halo,) some have funny stories(time splitters), some have great stories(half life)

Goldeneye has beeen surpassed. So has Halo Combat evolved from last gen and halo 2. The current console shooter king is Halo 3 until dethrowned either next gen or maybe this gen.

PC shooters are far ahead of goldeney its not even funny. jg4xchamp

Maybe you'd better read the actual article. Reggie never mentions GoldenEye. The OP said that to mislead everyone into thinking he did. In actual fact, Reggie is asking what's new with Halo 3 when the 360 already has so many other shooters.

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#25 BreakingPoint8
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You know, I'm starting to dislike Reggies tone. Nintendo is getting a bit too cocky for my tastes.
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#26 mjarantilla
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Actually, I lost a LOT of respect for Reggie after that quote. He used to kick ass and take names... that quote was on a low level even for uneducated fanboys or sony executives.Grive

Read the article and point to me where he compares Halo 3 to GoldenEye, because you can't. TC was being intentionally misleading.

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#28 NECR0CHILD313
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Reggie says this stuff to get some cheap press coverage, it's an old marketing tactic. "OMG! Look at how controversial I am! Look at how innovative the Wii is!" The guy is just as bad as Tretton or some of the other ass-hats at Sony, the only difference is Reggie's console is doing well.PBSnipes

Actually the biggest difference is Reggie is actually humorous in a "laugh at them" instead of a "laugh at me" sort of way.

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#29 The_Ish
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No, if you played goldeneye you played a couple of them. If you played Halo CE you played them all.

USSJAndrew

Yes, because there were plenty of games like Halo at the time.

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#30 Nitro720
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I sort-of agree. FPS's may not have changed over the years, but most of them are still fun too play.
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#31 mjarantilla
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[QUOTE="USSJAndrew"]

No, if you played goldeneye you played a couple of them. If you played Halo CE you played them all.

The_Ish

Yes, because there were plenty of games like Halo at the time.

If you had a PC, sure.

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#32 Nitro720
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You know, I'm starting to dislike Reggies tone. Nintendo is getting a bit too cocky for my tastes.BreakingPoint8

Yeah, we all know what happens when videogame companies get cocky....

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#33 EscobarPR_basic
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Why does everyone think Reggie is so great anyways? I met him on a plane about a year ago and he was a total douche in person.
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#34 lettuceman44
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Why does everyone think Reggie is so great anyways? I met him on a plane about a year ago and he was a total douche in person.EscobarPR_basic
.....haha sure
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[QUOTE="darklord888"]Wow LOL.

Has reggie ever played a Pokemon game? Mario kart? Mario Party?They're all identical!nintendo-4life
it seems that you are the one who needs to play them :|

Pokemon [check]

MArio KArt [Not check]

Mario Party [check]

Well he got 2/3 not bad.

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#36 Hermitkermit
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Good point.....All I can say is if it's fun, then I will buy it and enjoy it. In fact I call this era the Rehash, and sequels....Pokemon DnP came out, Halo 3 released, and for the others, Gears of War 2, GTA IV, Saint's Row 2, Mario SMG, Mario and Sonic at the Olympics....etc...

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#37 Mizarus
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[QUOTE="EscobarPR_basic"]Why does everyone think Reggie is so great anyways? I met him on a plane about a year ago and he was a total douche in person.lettuceman44
.....haha sure

lol and another sig is born, a couple of people are going to quote this fella

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There are a few gems in the FPS world and its not about the basic gameplay of an FPS, its about the atmosphere and overall presentation. FEAR is a perfect example of how an average FPS can be made great by the premise and presentation.
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[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="USSJAndrew"]

No, if you played goldeneye you played a couple of them. If you played Halo CE you played them all.

mjarantilla

Yes, because there were plenty of games like Halo at the time.

If you had a PC, sure.

Nope. Not even.

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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]suddenly i think he is more of an idiot.

FPS have far evolved Goldeneye in terms of controls on consoles. the controls for goldeneye are atrocious at this point.

The gameplay for console shooters has gotten more fluid, more tactical, more competitive(online), has better production values, some have good stories(Halo,) some have funny stories(time splitters), some have great stories(half life)

Goldeneye has beeen surpassed. So has Halo Combat evolved from last gen and halo 2. The current console shooter king is Halo 3 until dethrowned either next gen or maybe this gen.

PC shooters are far ahead of goldeney its not even funny. mjarantilla

Maybe you'd better read the actual article. Reggie never mentions GoldenEye. The OP said that to mislead everyone into thinking he did. In actual fact, Reggie is asking what's new with Halo 3 when the 360 already has so many other shooters.

the other shooters lacked saved films and forge and a true community feel which Halo 3 has.

A campaign storyline that people liked(yes people liked it, why is that hard for some of you)

Gamplay that has been improved and balanced to near perfection for a console shooter which the others dont do.

A more chaotic, balanced, and far deeper with more variety in its online MP.

Nothing on the 360 rivals Halo 3.

Bioshock is a whole different gamee. All gears has is graphics on it, in fact its a massive downgrade from Halo in every other area.
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Wow LOL.

Has reggie ever played a Pokemon game? Mario kart? Mario Party?They're all identical!darklord888

:shock:

How in the name of super monkey balls are those identical!?!

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[QUOTE="PSP107"]

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=172887

I mean in my opinion, if you played 007 for the N64, then you played them all. FPS hasnt really changed.

too_much_eslim

So is he saying Metroid prime is generic too?

No. Because Metroid Prime is not a FPS. But Metroid Prime Hunters is, though.

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#43 actionquake
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Do people even read the links. Did the TC even read the link. Reggie was questioning whether Halo3 could sell hardware when the 360 already has a lot of excellent shooters, so why would people be waiting for one more to tip the balance.
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#44 Bromz
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He thinks Crackdown and Halo 3 are BOTH very similiar first person shooters, he hasn't got a clue, bless.
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#45 PSP107
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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="darklord888"]Wow LOL.

Has reggie ever played a Pokemon game? Mario kart? Mario Party?They're all identical!USSJAndrew

it seems that you are the one who needs to play them :|

Your response fails. I've played them and the biggest difference in all the games is probably from Mario kart64 to Mario kart double dash(Mario kart64 was just like a 3d version of super Mario kart). Everything else in all three series are pretty much exactly the same.

thats why i didnt care for Mario 64 and double dash. or did i care for mario party 2 and beyond. nor did i care for smash bros for the gc. The last good mario adventure game for me was Super Mario world(SNES) Mario 64was lame.

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#46 Apathetic-Irony
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What an idiotic thread. I literally just played Goldeneye 10 minutes ago to see how it compared to Halo 3. Needless to say, Halo 3 was leaps and bounds better than Goldeneye.

Somebody tell Reggie that once you played one Mario platformer, you've played them all. Those are much more similiar that the FPSs of '98 to the FPSs of '07.

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#47 --ProtoMan--
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I guess he has a point in that a lot of FPS's are similar, and that the 360 is over-saturated with them. However, he's totally forgetting the fact that Nintendo puts out a Mario Party game every year, and that there are tons of similar games in all their major series. Plus, the Wii is (sadly) over-saturated with shoddy casual games.

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#48 darklord888
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[QUOTE="darklord888"]Wow LOL.

Has reggie ever played a Pokemon game? Mario kart? Mario Party?They're all identical!Willy105

:shock:

How in the name of super monkey balls are those identical!?!



I meant the games in each of those series. As in pokemon red is pretty much identical to gold, silver, blue, green, yellow, diamond, pearl ect ect. Same plot, same gameplay, same everything. I don't mean pokemon and mario kart are identical. :P
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#49 PSP107
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I guess he has a point in that a lot of FPS's are similar, and that the 360 is over-saturated with them. However, he's totally forgetting the fact that Nintendo puts out a Mario Party game every year, and that there are tons of similar games in all their major series. Plus, the Wii is (sadly) over-saturated with shoddy casual games.

--ProtoMan--

Just why do ppl have intrest in mario party after 10 games? I stop on the 1st one.

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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="PSP107"]

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=172887

I mean in my opinion, if you played 007 for the N64, then you played them all. FPS hasnt really changed.

Willy105

So is he saying Metroid prime is generic too?

No. Because Metroid Prime is not a FPS. But Metroid Prime Hunters is, though.

If Metroid Prime is not a FPS then what is it?