first details of epic mickey. holy god

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="uglyhippos"] I think this game is perfect for the wii because of the controls and the fact it is an artistic game. technical power house games vary quality on different platforms but artisitc games can be good on any platform . If this games was on the ds I would still hype it. Games like De Blob, No More heroes, Madworld and Okami are good on the wii because they are artistic and original. Pi was an good movie even though it shot with crappy film quality. svetzenlether

Wow. Could you possibly sound ANY more elitist than you just did????

You of all people, somebody who consistently trumpets video games as an art form, should realize that great works of art can and have been done with much more severe limitations placed upon the creators than something like the Wii's hardware.

And the audio rant? C'mon! What you said is probably true if you're running the Wii through a complete audiophile-type setup that 99.998% population doesn't have (you probably own Pear cables, don't you?)

Isn't the wii only pro logicII? Its a pretty noticeable difference between that and digital or dts.

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No, platform-centric thinking is terrible for both developers and gamers.

[QUOTE="LegendofNerd"]Let's put all the games from all the systems on the PC, so we can finally achieve gaming perfection.LegendofNerd

If we could free PC gaming from OS-centric thinking, yes, it would be absolutely ideal. The PC hardware market is controlled by dozens of manufacturers building the same part to a specification. For example, a Radeon HD 5850 isn't sold directly by ATI - it's assembled by a dozen board manufacturers who all offer slightly different features, bundles, and prices. If the console market had a single, unified platform which was manufactured by many companies (akin to a DVD player ) it would be far more friendly to both consumers and developers.

You can argue sound quality, visuals, immersion, screen ratios, artistic vision, HD vs SD, hardware vs hardware, and "what COULD have been" till doomsday, but at the end of the day, all that forum chatter means nil, and it doesn't change the fact that this game is still a Wii exclusive. LegendofNerd

At the end of the day it takes a highly-anticipated project and turns it into something that may disappoint the audience who would take the time to debate it on a game forum.

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Look subs, we understand. We get it.LegendofNerd

If you believe that our comments don't matter, or that shaping thoughts and opinions is impossible, you don't "get it". This forum has been changed radically in just the last three years, it, and other places of gaming, continue to change.

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We can't change the ultimate future of gaming - a mature medium will arrive at some point whether we have to drag some people kicking and screaming or not. However, we shape the short term by our opinions, by our voice, by our purchasing decisions, and by the influence we exert on others. Our opinions shape the opinions of others, our social exchange *does* change what studios and publishers do over the next few years.

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Games like Brutal Legend happen despite the commercial failures (Tim Schafer - Psychonauts ) because there are people with a love of gaming, there are studios willing to take a risk, and the public outcry - the clutch of fans asking, does fall on the right ears.

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Epic Mickey may be on the Wii for commercial / financial reasons, but we need to be willing to be honest with ourselves and ultimately champion for the medium over platforms. "Isn't it great that the Wii got an interesting exclusive?" - no, absolutely not, it's great that an interesting concept is being made into a game, and it's disappointing that the ideal lead platform (artistically) wasn't chosen.

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Given that we're the consumers, and not the shareholders, it doesn't make sense to take personal satisfaction when commercial interest wins out over artistic integrity.

Wow. Could you possibly sound ANY more elitist than you just did????

You of all people, somebody who consistently trumpets video games as an art form, should realize that great works of art can and have been done with much more severe limitations placed upon the creators than something like the Wii's hardware.

And the audio rant? C'mon! What you said is probably true if you're running the Wii through a complete audiophile-type setup that 99.998% population doesn't have (you probably own Pear cables, don't you?)

svetzenlether

I fail to see what's "elitist" about preferring the typical 360 / PS3 / PC multiplat for Epic Mickey over making a visually-inclined game into a Wii exclusive. I'm also confused as to how calling me an "elitist" invalidates anything I've said :|

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Discrete surround isn't an "audiophile" rant. You can pick up a 5.1 system via the Logitech Z-5500 somewhere in the $300 range. We're talking in a forum where people regularly pay $50+ for games, many of whom purchase multiple games in a month. Surround sound isn't an extreme luxury anymore, nor is it unrealistic to ask for DVD-quality sound from my gaming experiences. I'm not asking for much, just audio fidelity on par with what DVD has been doing since last generation.

The concept art was epic, but there is nothing epic in those scans. This might have been better realised in HD

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This would have been much better on the PS3/360. Expect low-quality graphics. I know it's not the graphics that makes the game...BUT with such artwork and drawings explained to be in the game, the world would have been much better portrayed artistically with the power of PS3/360. Making it one of the best-looking games this generation.

OreoMilkshake

Painting sucked in the wii version of Okami and worked in the ps2 version. You should know that since you have Okamiden in your sig/avy.

Anyway, REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS! The bastard child of disney and tim burton? Do want. Oh so want...

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"][QUOTE="Blazerdt47"]

This would have been much better on the PS3/360. Expect low-quality graphics. I know it's not the graphics that makes the game...BUT with such artwork and drawings explained to be in the game, the world would have been much better portrayed artistically with the power of PS3/360. Making it one of the best-looking games this generation.

DevilDude3232

Painting sucked in the wii version of Okami and worked in the ps2 version. You should know that since you have Okamiden in your sig/avy.

Anyway, REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS! The bastard child of disney and tim burton? Do want. Oh so want...

Uh, no. I could whip out a powerslash in less than half a second in the Wii version. PS2 version takes at least a second just to initially position the brush.

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[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]And yet, the painting would suck.789shadow

Painting sucked in the wii version of Okami and worked in the ps2 version. You should know that since you have Okamiden in your sig/avy.

Anyway, REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS! The bastard child of disney and tim burton? Do want. Oh so want...

Uh, no. I could whip out a powerslash in less than half a second in the Wii version. PS2 version takes at least a second just to initially position the brush.

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[QUOTE="DevilDude3232"]

Painting sucked in the wii version of Okami and worked in the ps2 version. You should know that since you have Okamiden in your sig/avy.

Anyway, REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS! The bastard child of disney and tim burton? Do want. Oh so want...

trugs26

Uh, no. I could whip out a powerslash in less than half a second in the Wii version. PS2 version takes at least a second just to initially position the brush.

Wow really? It was horribly unresponsive for me and I ended up having to redo so many brush strokes or flail the controller around. Anyone I know who played it also says the same thing.

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[QUOTE="789shadow"]

Uh, no. I could whip out a powerslash in less than half a second in the Wii version. PS2 version takes at least a second just to initially position the brush.

DevilDude3232

Wow really? It was horribly unresponsive for me and I ended up having to redo so many brush strokes or flail the controller around. Anyone I know who played it also says the same thing.

The description of the story/setting alone makes me want this game, and I haven't even seen the scans yet.

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[QUOTE="Willy105"]You may be a little blind. You are saying that the different between a Wii and an HD system will completely ruin the concept of what the developers are rtrying to do because it's a weaker system.

That's all kinds of crazy.

So the highly anticipated movie by a renowned director won't be in IMAX 3D and just be in normal 2D standard size movie screens. It won't make the art garbage. The movie won't be garbage. It's just not going to have any of the crazy crowd pleasing special techniques that modern moviemakers like to use.

But wheather you saw The Dark Knight and Up on a LA huge IMAX 3D theater or your local cinema, it doesn't make the artistic vison of those movies (and let alone the movie's quality) any less stellar.

Willy105

You're attempting to compare a medium which has reached maturity (Film) to one that hasn't (3D gaming). We're still in the developmental years of 3D gaming - games aren't photorealistic, developers are limited as to what they can show on the screen, and game design is still being dictated by the still significant limitations of the hardware. The difference between the Wii and the current PC standard is huge - the Wii doesn't do surround sound, the Wii doesn't do HD, the Wii has a graphics card that was designed over nine years ago (in a time when GPUs double in power every 18 months ) - the Wii is hurting.

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Film by comparison is incredibly advanced. High-quality surround sound is standard, traditional celluloid has an equivalent "digital" resolution of 4096 x 2160, and the lens on your typical camera, even thirty plus years ago, are far beyond the "lens" of 3D gaming that we work with even on games akin to Crysis. Film since the 1970s (arguably even far earlier) has been the culmination of thousands of years of research in Chemistry, Physics, Optics - in addition to all the of "artistry" that goes into it -writing, design, acting, etc...

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Yes, the Wii absolutely limits the expression of the developer's concepts when a developer is creating a game ultimately benefiting from audio-visual immersion. The Wii is holding back gaming from reaching maturity. We must reach a point where a developer chooses a "cartoony" style not because they have to, but because it's their stylistic choice. Developers in the gaming world are still limited by what the systems *can* do, not what they'd like to do, and no system is more limited this generation than the Wii.