For all you cows that say that Sony is worth more than MS...

Im talking about all you deluded cows that said that Sony is worth more than MS in this thread and many other threads. It really shows how smart you cows are, cause I have seen this claim being made in alot of threads by many different cows.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25787883

Well cows here is your free lesson look at the little thing called market cap and enterprise value for both companies in both of the links

MS market cap = 301.45 Billion $

MS Enterprise Value = 270.33 Billion $

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=msft

Sony market cap = 52.32 Billion $

Sony Enterprise Value = 56.31 Billion $

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=SNE

PS. Im in no way saying that Bill Gates can buy Sony like the stupid lemming that started the thread

Market Worth =/= Total Value

Its stupid to compare the entire companies as a whole, Microsoft makes OS and plenty of software, Sony also makes TVs, DVD players, HiFi's etc

If you want to compare them to one another use Sonys game division and Microsofts Game division, and iam sure its quite close, with Sony's most likely worth more as its been going for longer.

I dont' think anyone was really saying that sony was 'worth more than MS' just that MS is not sitting on a pile of money with nothing to do with it as some seem to picture them. If they did then they probably didn't really think it through too well before they started typing.

However Sony is in my opinion a better diversified company as compared to Microsoft, but that dosn't make them stronger or weaker just stable.

Its stupid to compare the entire companies as a whole, Microsoft makes OS and plenty of software, Sony also makes TVs, DVD players, HiFi's etc

If you want to compare them to one another use Sonys game division and Microsofts Game division, and iam sure its quite close, with Sony's most likely worth more as its been going for longer.

Snagal123

I agree.

Hey I never said comparing companies as a whole was smart. It was the cows that did im just trying to show them that they are wrong, way wrong. An once I do you come up with this excuses. The fact is MS is worth more than Sony any way you want to see it. That is the only thing Im teyinbg to prove them.dx_80

with the exception of their game divisions, sony and MS are for the most part in completely diffrent industries. You cant compare them. The only way you can compare is to compare their gaming divisions, as someone said ealier.

The ground that Sony buildings are on are past a trillion dollars in worth.NobuoMusicMaker

that is ridiculous. WHat are you even talking about? Stop trying to even argue that Sony is worth more as a company than Microsoft. It's not even close. Doesn't mean that Microsoft is better than Sony, but it is still worth more. Just stop.

Who would say that?

Anyways, at least sony can actually make money on their games division :shock:.

Market cap is basically a company's net worth. It just goes to show that MS could eat up sony in a heartbeat, if it behooved them.

MS is going after the PS brand, and they are ripping market share day by day. Sony is in the crosshair of one of the largest, most powerful corporation in the world. They'd better be worried.

farrell2k

Im talking about all you deluded cows that said that Sony is worth more than MS in this thread and many other threads. It really shows how smart you cows are, cause I have seen this claim being made in alot of threads by many different cows.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25787883

Well cows here is your free lesson look at the little thing called market cap and enterprise value for both companies in both of the links

MS market cap = 301.45 Billion $

MS Enterprise Value = 270.33 Billion $

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=msft

Sony market cap = 52.32 Billion $

Sony Enterprise Value = 56.31 Billion $

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=SNE

PS. Im in no way saying that Bill Gates can buy Sony like the stupid lemming that started the thread

dx_80

The ground that Sony buildings are on are past a trillion dollars in worth.NobuoMusicMaker

DX-80, your numbers are pretty right on and you seem to knowyoureconomic analysis. Now, NobuoMusicMa..., if Sony's buildings were reallyworth a trillion dollars, wouldn't you think that Sony would be in the real estate industry and not the tech industry? And if their buildings are are truly worth a trillion dollars (which I very much highly doubt), wouldn't you think that Sony would include the buildings on their balance sheet as assets?

A trillion dollars in assets is a lot of money. In appreciation alone it would generate anywhere between $50-$200 billion dollars a year. The next time you speak, make absolutely sure that you know what you're talking about before you make a fool out of yourself.

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]The ground that Sony buildings are on are past a trillion dollars in worth.den4sir

DX-80, your numbers are pretty right on and you seem to knowyoureconomic analysis. Now, NobuoMusicMa..., if Sony's buildings were reallyworth a trillion dollars, wouldn't you think that Sony would be in the real estate industry and not the tech industry? And if their buildings are are truly worth a trillion dollars (which I very much highly doubt), wouldn't you think that Sony would include the buildings on their balance sheet as assets?

A trillion dollars in assets is a lot of money. In appreciation alone it would generate anywhere between $50-$200 billion dollars a year. The next time you speak, make absolutely sure that you know what you're talking about before you make a fool out of yourself.

Guess you don't know the worth of land, especially in Japan. Sony has thousands of buildings all over the world.

Market Worth =/= Total Value

NobuoMusicMaker

damn you beat me to it. Look at the volume of each company to really represent how big it is.

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]The ground that Sony buildings are on are past a trillion dollars in worth.accameron

that is ridiculous. WHat are you even talking about? Stop trying to even argue that Sony is worth more as a company than Microsoft. It's not even close. Doesn't mean that Microsoft is better than Sony, but it is still worth more. Just stop.

He's just saying Sony has a lot more physical capital. Which is definitely true. MS has loads of cash but Sony has huge factories and research facilities.

They're both huge companies. MS makes like 50billion a year with 12billion profit. Sony makes like 60 billion a year with 1-2 billion profit.

YOu are forgeting that sony has a p/e of 55.23. Meaning that the company will have very huge growth soon. It will be impossible for microsoft to buy out sony due to this.

[QUOTE="den4sir"]

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]The ground that Sony buildings are on are past a trillion dollars in worth.NobuoMusicMaker

DX-80, your numbers are pretty right on and you seem to knowyoureconomic analysis. Now, NobuoMusicMa..., if Sony's buildings were reallyworth a trillion dollars, wouldn't you think that Sony would be in the real estate industry and not the tech industry? And if their buildings are are truly worth a trillion dollars (which I very much highly doubt), wouldn't you think that Sony would include the buildings on their balance sheet as assets?

A trillion dollars in assets is a lot of money. In appreciation alone it would generate anywhere between $50-$200 billion dollars a year. The next time you speak, make absolutely sure that you know what you're talking about before you make a fool out of yourself.

Guess you don't know the worth of land, especially in Japan. Sony has thousands of buildings all over the world.

If it's truely worth what you are saying (again, I highly doubt it), their assests would be mentioned in the same breath as their business... unfortunately, that's not the case. For example, if you are holding just 1 trillion dollars, usually when you introduce your product to any consumer, the first sentence in any trade show would be "I am worth 1 trillion dollars." I have never heard of Sony mentioning that they are worth 1 trillion dollars, lead alone you used the word in plural form. Log on to Citibank or Merryll lynch and sure enough the first thing you will see is "1(or more)trillion dollars." It's like if I were dating Jessica Beil. Do you think the first thing you will see on my website is a picture of Jessica Beil? Hell no, it'd be a picture of me having my way with Jessica Beil.

Im talking about all you deluded cows that said that Sony is worth more than MS in this thread and many other threads. It really shows how smart you cows are, cause I have seen this claim being made in alot of threads by many different cows.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25787883

Well cows here is your free lesson look at the little thing called market cap and enterprise value for both companies in both of the links

MS market cap = 301.45 Billion $

MS Enterprise Value = 270.33 Billion $

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=msft

Sony market cap = 52.32 Billion $

Sony Enterprise Value = 56.31 Billion $

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=SNE

PS. Im in no way saying that Bill Gates can buy Sony like the stupid lemming that started the thread

dx_80

Hey I never said comparing companies as a whole was smart. It was the cows that did im just trying to show them that they are wrong, way wrong. An once I do you come up with this excuses. The fact is MS is worth more than Sony any way you want to see it. That is the only thing Im teyinbg to prove them.dx_80

Book Value of MSFT: 35 Billion
Book Value of SNE: 27.48 billion. MS is still worth more this way, but there isn't as much of a discrepancy.

Market Worth =/= Total Value

NobuoMusicMaker

now put the game divisions side by side sony ownes ms

Market cap is basically a company's net worth. It just goes to show that MS could eat up sony in a heartbeat, if it behooved them.

MS is going after the PS brand, and they are ripping market share day by day. Sony is in the crosshair of one of the largest, most powerful corporation in the world. They'd better be worried.

farrell2k

they cant win in games or mp3 the zune flop xbox got them no money 360 still in the red nintendo gets hella money from the ds and wii sony gets all its money from ps2 psp and soon ps3 nintendo and sony own the video game market ms will never take that

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"][QUOTE="farrell2k"]

Market cap is basically a company's net worth. It just goes to show that MS could eat up sony in a heartbeat, if it behooved them.

MS is going after the PS brand, and they are ripping market share day by day. Sony is in the crosshair of one of the largest, most powerful corporation in the world. They'd better be worried.

farrell2k

1. MS currently enjoys #1 in next-gen sales for hardware and software.

2. MS, in about 9 months, has taken 12% of the market away from apple, according to estimates.

Sony is being dethroned this gen. You should learn to accept that.

how is number 2 happening. ps2 brings in more money then the 360 ever will sony aint got to worry about anything

[QUOTE="den4sir"]

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]The ground that Sony buildings are on are past a trillion dollars in worth.NobuoMusicMaker

DX-80, your numbers are pretty right on and you seem to knowyoureconomic analysis. Now, NobuoMusicMa..., if Sony's buildings were reallyworth a trillion dollars, wouldn't you think that Sony would be in the real estate industry and not the tech industry? And if their buildings are are truly worth a trillion dollars (which I very much highly doubt), wouldn't you think that Sony would include the buildings on their balance sheet as assets?

A trillion dollars in assets is a lot of money. In appreciation alone it would generate anywhere between $50-$200 billion dollars a year. The next time you speak, make absolutely sure that you know what you're talking about before you make a fool out of yourself.

Guess you don't know the worth of land, especially in Japan. Sony has thousands of buildings all over the world.

Dude, what a weak argument, he pretty much said what it is, proof is there, numbers,numbers,and more numbers favor MS....bu bu but teh Gazillion Billion Buildings!:cry:

dont take the entire corporation into consideration, we're talking game divisions correct?MorisUkunRasik

the gaming division of MS corp doesn't have the power to spend and spend and spend without any gain, on the contrary, with significant loss

Market Worth =/= Total Value

NobuoMusicMaker

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Market Worth =/= Total Value

Rob2223

it is not bigger, it is more profitable, but that is something different

dont take the entire corporation into consideration, we're talking game divisions correct?MorisUkunRasik

you cows are funny cause now that I have proved you wrong with substantial information, you mention game division only? haha In the thraed that I mentioned (the one where the lemming said gates could buy sony) and in others I always see deluded cows saying Sony is worth more than Microsoft. You guys had never mentioned this gaming division talk before. The point is not all but definitely a lot of cows would think and say that sony corp is worth more than ms, without having a freakin' clue what they where talking about. Yes sony may have more factories and thats becuase they need them retards, they are mainly a freaking electronics company, ms on the other hand is mainly software. also in some thread im not sure if it was in this one, some idiot cow said something along the lines of "sony has more employees" that doesnt mean they are more profitable, the more employees a company has only means more costs for a company since you have more salaries to pay! Unless most employees work for 0.25 $ and hour in a thrid world country.

now if you cows want to talk about gaming divisions fine go ahead. I dont really care aslong as you dont make claims that make most readers of this forum even more stupid than what they already are.

I don't care about worth or market value. in terms of size, Sony is bigger, that's all that I want people to accept as fact. MS has greater returns from software because it is cheap to produce and is valuable to consumers. Sony is less profitable but exetremely stable in the market. they can't have as much return from producing somany physical goods.

I don't care about worth or market value. in terms of size, Sony is bigger, that's all that I want people to accept as fact. MS has greater returns from software because it is cheap to produce and is valuable to consumers. Sony is less profitable but exetremely stable in the market. they can't have as much return from producing somany physical goods.

Mordred19

BlindCow wont accept defeat!!.....:lol:

Irony:

In one division sony and microsoft are at eachothers throats (gaming)

In another, sony is a customer of microsoft, buying vista for vaios.

[QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"]dont take the entire corporation into consideration, we're talking game divisions correct?dx_80

you cows are funny cause now that I have proved you wrong with substantial information, you mention game division only? haha In the thraed that I mentioned (the one where the lemming said gates could buy sony) and in others I always see deluded cows saying Sony is worth more than Microsoft. You guys had never mentioned this gaming division talk before. The point is not all but definitely a lot of cows would think and say that sony corp is worth more than ms, without having a freakin' clue what they where talking about. Yes sony may have more factories and thats becuase they need them retards, they are mainly a freaking electronics company, ms on the other hand is mainly software. also in some thread im not sure if it was in this one, some idiot cow said something along the lines of "sony has more employees" that doesnt mean they are more profitable, the more employees a company has only means more costs for a company since you have more salaries to pay! Unless most employees work for 0.25 $ and hour in a thrid world country.

now if you cows want to talk about gaming divisions fine go ahead. I dont really care aslong as you dont make claims that make most readers of this forum even more stupid than what they already are.

I never said any of those things you mentioned but I do think we should only be concerned with the gaming divisions of these companies, seeing as the gaming division doesn't have as deep of pockets as the company they've branched from. And even if sony or MS make a ton of money selling tvs or OSs this has little to do with the gaming divisions of the companies, if the gaming division do nothing but lose money for the corporation you bet they'll eventually be terminated.

I don't care about worth or market value. in terms of size, Sony is bigger, that's all that I want people to accept as fact. MS has greater returns from software because it is cheap to produce and is valuable to consumers. Sony is less profitable but exetremely stable in the market. they can't have as much return from producing somany physical goods.

Mordred19

In terms of size, Sony isn't "bigger". Capital such as land and building are smack bang in their balance sheet.

Why anyone even cares, however, is another matter all together.

Who would say that?

Anyways, at least sony can actually make money on their games division :shock:.

Trading_Zoner

They're losing money on each PS3 you cow.

MOOO MOO

keep mooing.

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

I don't care about worth or market value. in terms of size, Sony is bigger, that's all that I want people to accept as fact. MS has greater returns from software because it is cheap to produce and is valuable to consumers. Sony is less profitable but exetremely stable in the market. they can't have as much return from producing somany physical goods.

Art_424

BlindCow wont accept defeat!!.....:lol:

I have never been called a cow before because I am not. You are way off the mark my friend. could MS produce xbox 1s as well as 3 different 360s,while producing their own line of laptops, TVs, phones, speaker systems, and digital cameras? no, because they don't have as much physical capital for producing goods. that is what I am saying. my eyes are open, and you are looking for something to fight about.

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Market Worth =/= Total Value

Rob2223

Sony's competition in electronics? Samsung, Sharp, Mistubishi, Panasonic, LG, Apple, etc., etc.

Microsoft competition in OS? Apple, ?Linux?

Apple probably only has 5% or even less than Microsoft. Microsoft sells their OS at **** prices.

Sony's competition is huge and they probably don't even have a third of their electronics market. Yet they are the biggest but nothing like the profits Microsoft make.

So in conclusion, Net Income =/= Total Value.

[QUOTE="Art_424"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]

I don't care about worth or market value. in terms of size, Sony is bigger, that's all that I want people to accept as fact. MS has greater returns from software because it is cheap to produce and is valuable to consumers. Sony is less profitable but exetremely stable in the market. they can't have as much return from producing somany physical goods.

Mordred19

BlindCow wont accept defeat!!.....:lol:

I have never been called a cow before because I am not. You are way off the mark my friend. could MS produce xbox 1s as well as 3 different 360s,while producing their own line of laptops, TVs, phones, speaker systems, and digital cameras? no, because they don't have as much physical capital for producing goods. that is what I am saying. my eyes are open, and you are looking for something to fight about.

Well, Im glad Im the first to call you a cow, cause you sure are, reading most of your posts. Second, how in the hell MS cannot afford to make Digital Cameras, TVs, Phones, Speakers....lol, they pretty much got everyone monopolized on everything that operates on a computer,that would be just greed to compete in every aspect with all brands. They got tons of money to invest in diffrent fields, Bill gates is the seconds most richest man on the planet, so you think his franchise is not able todo that and more?, Third, Im not getting a penny for defending microsoft and saying they are richer, so I will not comment anymoreon this cause this is just silly, but what bothers me iscows ignorance towards reality.