For all you Final Fantasy XIII-2 haters

The story/ dialogue and characters were crap, too too linear, music was meh and gamplay had its moments. Final fantasy xiii-2 will dissapoint it will be in the same vein as FF X-2, I am not interested , I wish they would devote more time to versus that actually looks very promising.

musalala

Let me guess.... Squall and/or Cloud are the pinnacle of perfect characters? :roll: How does linear mean bad? As for the music and the story, they were quite dissapointing, the music was like pop instead of classical and such.

I am looking forward to FFXIII-2. the first game was enjoyable with a few flaws but I have faith that it would be addressed in the sequel.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

For all the people who thought Sazh was the "comic relief" of the game, I would agree to an extent. But moreso I would say Vanille was just meant to be silly. She's more or less exactly what Selphie would be like if she were voiced. Vanille is a uniquely Japanese archetype. Sometimes these things just don't translate or at least aren't recognized by other cultures. Like Squall from FFVIII.

Is there a problem with it being Japanese? I for one enjoy the designs in Japanese games because they aren't boring. The minute they start adding bald space marines characters that want big guns, make bro sexual inuedos to each other, and finally just blow up stuff, is the day I don't call it a S-E game.

Translation is something tricky as well. If it was easy, you'd get a broken story like Xenogears. You can't simply write a story, scenarios, and dialogue and have it translate directly into english and also have the right right target audience interpret it. Simple as that. You can't also blame one side for crappy translation, its not like they are doing it themselves. The only game this gen I think did a "decent" job translating was like you said LO, but only after Sakaguchi would only have a professor from harvard translate the dream sequences and such that it was just "decent".

Seriously here folks, we want to jump on JRPGs for cliches, yet everyother genre has cliches far worst. "Saving the world"-check, "Lets team up and blow stuff up" -check, "Get the girl" - check, "blow stuff up" -check. Did I mention "blow stuff up"

I'd like to actually see how a western game is actually translated in the East. Must be easy since there is probably even far worse "one liners" and less interested plots

/rant

:lol:

[QUOTE="musalala"]

The story/ dialogue and characters were crap, too too linear, music was meh and gamplay had its moments. Final fantasy xiii-2 will dissapoint it will be in the same vein as FF X-2, I am not interested , I wish they would devote more time to versus that actually looks very promising.

00Killaz00

Let me guess.... Squall and/or Cloud are the pinnacle of perfect characters? :roll: How does linear mean bad? As for the music and the story, they were quite dissapointing, the music was like pop instead of classical and such.

:lol: I think you must be mistaking me for the FF VII rabid fanboys who only started playing final fantasy on the psone, Both cloud and squal are equally crap at least with them we didnt have to here their pathetic dialogue voiced. Linearity is bad when it is accompanied but bad writting/story/dialogue as it only serves to heighten just how bad the game is.

If your going to make it a global product, then making the product more Japanese is the problem. Look at Mario, or Zelda, or most of the Metroid games (minus that abomination Other M)...plays to a global audience. Thats one reason why Nintendo is so successful. Here is a solution to the translation problem.....write two scripts, one in English and one in Japanese. Like how the Polish Witcher 2 is handling things. Or get better translators. If it wasn't for Nintendo's censorship policies back in the SNES days, Ted Woolsey would have made excellent translations. Well, I guess the East should translate games like Alpha Centauri, Planescape Torment, Biowares and Obsidians catalog, the first two Deus Ex games, Heroes of M&M III and IV, and even Ultima...........they blow away most Japanese storytelling.texasgoldrush

S-E is a global company :| Thier main flagship titles have sold millions of copies including worldwide with there translations. Writing two scripts would be useless, someone would have to relay the story. You would also get two different game stories which would hinder the localization process even more, porbably even making it a burden and costly.

I'd take any S-E base story from the ones you just mentioned. Especally anything from Bioware. (One of the most cliched out that list )

Snow was awesome and I didn't notice Vanille being annoying

Solid_Link22

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

For all the people who thought Sazh was the "comic relief" of the game, I would agree to an extent. But moreso I would say Vanille was just meant to be silly. She's more or less exactly what Selphie would be like if she were voiced. Vanille is a uniquely Japanese archetype. Sometimes these things just don't translate or at least aren't recognized by other cultures. Like Squall from FFVIII.

jasonharris48

You right it was cliched but it was done in right, If we are honest many many games rely heavily on cliches the differnce is how they executed. Lost Odyssy was JRPG done right, the crossed all the t's and dotted the I's.This is why it appeares that WRPG are evolving because at least they do interesting things with their cliches. I mean seriously Bioware makes the same game over and over. Some mysterious threat/person/entity threatens the land/galaxy collect you team fight the threat multiple endings splash some moral choices and thats it.But dragon age mass effect have very differnt charcters very good writing and exellent dialogue.

Biggest problems i had with FF13 was that the towns were missing, a little bit too linear and that 80% of the game was a tutorial.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] If your going to make it a global product, then making the product more Japanese is the problem. Look at Mario, or Zelda, or most of the Metroid games (minus that abomination Other M)...plays to a global audience. Thats one reason why Nintendo is so successful. Here is a solution to the translation problem.....write two scripts, one in English and one in Japanese. Like how the Polish Witcher 2 is handling things. Or get better translators. If it wasn't for Nintendo's censorship policies back in the SNES days, Ted Woolsey would have made excellent translations. Well, I guess the East should translate games like Alpha Centauri, Planescape Torment, Biowares and Obsidians catalog, the first two Deus Ex games, Heroes of M&M III and IV, and even Ultima...........they blow away most Japanese storytelling.hayato_

S-E is a global company :| Thier main flagship titles have sold millions of copies including worldwide with there translations. Writing two scripts would be useless, someone would have to relay the story. You would also get two different game stories which would hinder the localization process even more, porbably even making it a burden and costly.

I'd take any S-E base story from the ones you just mentioned. Especally anything from Bioware. (One of the most cliched out that list )

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

Ands that the problem with SE development now............the less and less globally aware they are. The series has gotten more and more "Japanese", especially after Sakaguchi left...made worse by Toriyama and especially Nomura. Sakaguchi's Lost Odyssey was far more West friendly in its storytelling. No real anime sterotypes.texasgoldrush

You right it was cliched but it was done in right, If we are honest many many games rely heavily on cliches the differnce is how they executed. Lost Odyssy was JRPG done right, the crossed all the t's and dotted the I's.This is why it appeares that WRPG are evolving because at least they do interesting things with their cliches. I mean seriously Bioware makes the same game over and over. Some mysterious threat/person/entity threatens the land/galaxy collect you team fight the threat multiple endings splash some moral choices and thats it.But dragon age mass effect have very differnt charcters very good writing and exellent dialogue.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

For all the people who thought Sazh was the "comic relief" of the game, I would agree to an extent. But moreso I would say Vanille was just meant to be silly. She's more or less exactly what Selphie would be like if she were voiced. Vanille is a uniquely Japanese archetype. Sometimes these things just don't translate or at least aren't recognized by other cultures. Like Squall from FFVIII.

texasgoldrush

Yes, exactly.

The number one priority of Japanese developers should be to be "west friendly." Any uniquely Japanese elements should be removed.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

For all the people who thought Sazh was the "comic relief" of the game, I would agree to an extent. But moreso I would say Vanille was just meant to be silly. She's more or less exactly what Selphie would be like if she were voiced. Vanille is a uniquely Japanese archetype. Sometimes these things just don't translate or at least aren't recognized by other cultures. Like Squall from FFVIII.

Yes, exactly.

Be careful Japan! Be sure not to produce Japanese games reflect elements of Japanese culture!

[QUOTE="hayato_"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] If your going to make it a global product, then making the product more Japanese is the problem. Look at Mario, or Zelda, or most of the Metroid games (minus that abomination Other M)...plays to a global audience. Thats one reason why Nintendo is so successful. Here is a solution to the translation problem.....write two scripts, one in English and one in Japanese. Like how the Polish Witcher 2 is handling things. Or get better translators. If it wasn't for Nintendo's censorship policies back in the SNES days, Ted Woolsey would have made excellent translations. Well, I guess the East should translate games like Alpha Centauri, Planescape Torment, Biowares and Obsidians catalog, the first two Deus Ex games, Heroes of M&M III and IV, and even Ultima...........they blow away most Japanese storytelling.texasgoldrush

S-E is a global company :| Thier main flagship titles have sold millions of copies including worldwide with there translations. Writing two scripts would be useless, someone would have to relay the story. You would also get two different game stories which would hinder the localization process even more, porbably even making it a burden and costly.

I'd take any S-E base story from the ones you just mentioned. Especally anything from Bioware. (One of the most cliched out that list )

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Ands that the problem with SE development now............the less and less globally aware they are. The series has gotten more and more "Japanese", especially after Sakaguchi left...made worse by Toriyama and especially Nomura. Sakaguchi's Lost Odyssey was far more West friendly in its storytelling. No real anime sterotypes.texasgoldrush

Yes, exactly.

Be careful Japan! Be sure not to produce Japanese games reflect elements of Japanese culture!

Oh, so games with stereotypically Japanese elements such as Ookami are okay. But becareful! Modern Japan doesn't exist.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="hayato_"]

S-E is a global company :| Thier main flagship titles have sold millions of copies including worldwide with there translations. Writing two scripts would be useless, someone would have to relay the story. You would also get two different game stories which would hinder the localization process even more, porbably even making it a burden and costly.

I'd take any S-E base story from the ones you just mentioned. Especally anything from Bioware. (One of the most cliched out that list )

hayato_

This is the problem with Persona 2. One of the characters is a white girl in Japan who was raised there acts Japanese. It's offensive! White people could never act Japanese. After all, how we act is determined by the color of our skin.

And mods, know that I am being sarcastic because what's really "offensive" is the racist implications that are being made in this thread.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Yes, exactly.

Be careful Japan! Be sure not to produce Japanese games reflect elements of Japanese culture!

Oh, so games with stereotypically Japanese elements such as Ookami are okay. But becareful! Modern Japan doesn't exist.

When Japanese books are written, two versions should be written. One version for the Japanese and one version without that pesky Japanese influence for western audience.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Make games like Okami, which are authentically Japanese. Its silly to make Anglo and African American characters act Japanese....thats what turns Westerners off.texasgoldrush

Oh, so games with stereotypically Japanese elements such as Ookami are okay. But becareful! Modern Japan doesn't exist.

Who can suffer? What is this addressing? Certainly not my post.

When Japanese books are written, two versions should be written. One version for the Japanese and one version without that pesky Japanese influence for western audience.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Oh, so games with stereotypically Japanese elements such as Ookami are okay. But becareful! Modern Japan doesn't exist.

hakanakumono

Who can suffer? What is this addressing? Certainly not my post.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

When Japanese books are written, two versions should be written. One version for the Japanese and one version without that pesky Japanese influence for western audience.

texasgoldrush

It doesn't matter. Japanese media is Japanese. If you can't accept that a game is going to have a Japanese cultural influence when playing it, then don't play it.

Not that Vanille is anything remotely significant to Japanese culture.

And is Mass Effects morality system cliched? No Is Jade Empire's morality system cliched in theory? No Both systems are actually morally ambigious, and last time I checked, Dragon Age doesn't have a morality system. And its laughable calling the stories to Baldur's Gate I and II, KOTOR, Jade Empire, and Mass Effect 1 and 2 terrible....better than anything SquareEnix has done since 2000.

texasgoldrush

:D If you say so (Bioware has there grip on you). The moral system is cliched because it represents a good, middle, or bad choice based on the player selecting that action. Now, they disguise it well with written dialogue, but when its all said and done, you've made a choice (pseudo) that is within the games limit or thinking and it rationalizes it to be either good, middle, or bad.I have yet to see a game ultilize the system in a way were the choices I make are a burden (Heavy Rain was the only one to successfully get close), but I have hope for the future

You can call it laughable all you want, It makes me no difference :) Its your opinion that those stories are any good or not a cliche or whatev, but I would never sacrifice authenticity for someone else, which is why I'm glad at the beginning intro to FF Versus XIII with the style from Roen and designs. Its cool to have something different, I'm pretty sure everyone can agree.

It was fun chatting, but the new PSP just got announced and I dont really see anything else here, so adieu. It was fun to return and make a thread.

*Don't hate FF XIII-2*:cry:

i lookin forward to it. i enjoyed the first game

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

And is Mass Effects morality system cliched? No Is Jade Empire's morality system cliched in theory? No Both systems are actually morally ambigious, and last time I checked, Dragon Age doesn't have a morality system. And its laughable calling the stories to Baldur's Gate I and II, KOTOR, Jade Empire, and Mass Effect 1 and 2 terrible....better than anything SquareEnix has done since 2000.

:D If you say so (Bioware has there grip on you). The moral system is cliched because it represents a good, middle, or bad choice based on the player selecting that action. Now, they disguise it well with written dialogue, but when its all said and done, you've made a choice (pseudo) that is within the games limit or thinking and it rationalizes it to be either good, middle, or bad.I have yet to see a game ultilize the system in a way were the choices I make are a burden (Heavy Rain was the only one to successfully get close), but I have hope for the future

You can call it laughable all you want, It makes me no difference :) Its your opinion that those stories are any good or not a cliche or whatev, but I would never sacrifice authenticity for someone else, which is why I'm glad at the beginning intro to FF Versus XIII with the style from Roen and designs. Its cool to have something different, I'm pretty sure everyone can agree.

It was fun chatting, but the new PSP just got announced and I dont really see anything else here, so adieu. It was fun to return and make a thread.

*Don't hate FF XIII-2*:cry:

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

When Japanese books are written, two versions should be written. One version for the Japanese and one version without that pesky Japanese influence for western audience.

It doesn't matter. Japanese media is Japanese. If you can't accept that a game is going to have a Japanese cultural influence when playing it, then don't play it.

Not that Vanille is anything remotely significant to Japanese culture.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] books are not gamestexasgoldrush

It doesn't matter. Japanese media is Japanese. If you can't accept that a game is going to have a Japanese cultural influence when playing it, then don't play it.

Not that Vanille is anything remotely significant to Japanese culture.

Texas are there any Japanese games you like out of curiosity (I'm not being snarky or anything:P Just want to know) especially this generation.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] books are not gamestexasgoldrush

It doesn't matter. Japanese media is Japanese. If you can't accept that a game is going to have a Japanese cultural influence when playing it, then don't play it.

Not that Vanille is anything remotely significant to Japanese culture.

Whatever that means. I would take what you've said into consideration if you had actually played the game.

Make games like Okami, which are authentically Japanese. Its silly to make Anglo and African American characters act Japanese....thats what turns Westerners off.texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Make games like Okami, which are authentically Japanese. Its silly to make Anglo and African American characters act Japanese....thats what turns Westerners off.Luxen90

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

It doesn't matter. Japanese media is Japanese. If you can't accept that a game is going to have a Japanese cultural influence when playing it, then don't play it.

Not that Vanille is anything remotely significant to Japanese culture.

Texas are there any Japanese games you like out of curiosity (I'm not being snarky or anything:P Just want to know) especially this generation.

[QUOTE="musalala"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] I rather have things feel authentic and not out of place....like everything was in FFXIII.texasgoldrush

Texas are there any Japanese games you like out of curiosity (I'm not being snarky or anything:P Just want to know) especially this generation.

Ok good to know.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="musalala"]

Texas are there any Japanese games you like out of curiosity (I'm not being snarky or anything:P Just want to know) especially this generation.

Ok good to know.

Unlike the rabid blind FF fanboys, I wont be drooling over this game but neither am I going to hate on it. It could turn out to be, I dunno? An actual RPG this time? Either way nothing will change the fact that FFXIII just outright sucked.

[QUOTE="Luxen90"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Make games like Okami, which are authentically Japanese. Its silly to make Anglo and African American characters act Japanese....thats what turns Westerners off.texasgoldrush

I personally enjoyed XIII so i am looking forward to XIII-2

spookykid143

It was'ntthat bad as everyone was making it out to be.

I think people had high expectations and they were not met which let people down.

Either way, am looking forward to this one

I'm looking forward to FXIII-2. FFXIII was a prety good game. It's weakest point was it's story but even then it isn't as horrendous as people make it out to be. While flawed and inconsistent it still had it's moments and was atleast interesting for the first half of the game, since I liked the whole "running away from the government and turning into a despised being" thing to the story.

Gameplay-wise the game was great and production value wise the game was terrific. Could have used a bit more side content though, the cieth stone missions were alright, but got tiresome with all the backtracking, and it would have been nice if there was a good weapon upgrade system and not the lame one present in XIII. But other wise I loved the ideas they had with the combat system.

[QUOTE="Luxen90"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Make games like Okami, which are authentically Japanese. Its silly to make Anglo and African American characters act Japanese....thats what turns Westerners off.texasgoldrush

Lol ... a "genki girl," huh? I would hope that both girls and boys could be happy and healthy.

Harley Quinn from Batman is Genki girl she must be too japanese for the western audience.

Harley Quinn from Batman is Genki girl she must be too japanese for western audience.Luxen90

"Genki girl" isn't even a real term. It doesn't really describe what Vanille is, which is somewhat of an airhead.

[QUOTE="Luxen90"]Harley Quinn from Batman is Genki girl she must be too japanese for western audience.hakanakumono

"Genki girl" isn't even a real term. It doesn't really describe what Vanille is, which is somewhat of an airhead.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="Luxen90"]Harley Quinn from Batman is Genki girl she must be too japanese for western audience.Luxen90

"Genki girl" isn't even a real term. It doesn't really describe what Vanille is, which is somewhat of an airhead.

Vanille is just full of Japanese sillyness. She's a ridiculous character, but she's meant to be. That's what I was getting at when I originally explained it.

The twist is, of course, that she's secretly crushed by a feeling of guilt inside.

[QUOTE="Luxen90"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

"Genki girl" isn't even a real term. It doesn't really describe what Vanille is, which is somewhat of an airhead.

hakanakumono

Vanille is just full of Japanese sillyness. She's a ridiculous character, but she's meant to be. That's what I was getting at when I originally explained it.

The twist is, of course, that she's secretly crushed by a feeling of guilt inside.

[QUOTE="Luxen90"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

"Genki girl" isn't even a real term. It doesn't really describe what Vanille is, which is somewhat of an airhead.

hakanakumono

Vanille is just full of Japanese sillyness. She's a ridiculous character, but she's meant to be. That's what I was getting at when I originally explained it.

The twist is, of course, that she's secretly crushed by a feeling of guilt inside.

Well, that's one kinda cool thing about Vanille, that being that she's not all perky and bubbly for s***s and giggles like other overly peppy FF girls in the series, but it's actually a facade to hide her guilt.

yea a sequal to the worst final fantasy games i ever played.............hell Legend of Legaia was a much better game then 13 thanks for supporting a horrible game guys

I'm certainly keeping my eyes open for FXIII-2. I sure hope they make some improvements or I might just skip out on the game.

I love the FF series, while lightening is hot, the game is not the best in the series,

every new edition usually pushes ahead of the others, not always, but for the most part. Master DX 11, bring back original members of the team and come to the PC.

even if they dont i will play the next one anyway.