Forbes: PS4 Is Truly Next-Gen And Your PC Isn't

Thank you Forbes. Thank you Sony.

Thank you Forbes. Thank you Sony.

Douevenlift_bro

Someone use the Jennifer Lawrence "Yeah OK" gif.

 

My computer annhilates the PS4. I havent gamed at 1080p since ummmm a long time ago.

Fizzman

How much dat sh!t in your sig costs anyways? 

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

Thank you Forbes. Thank you Sony.

Cranler

Dude, the PS4 has GDDR5.  

Brah, do you even game?  

I already gave my POS PC to some homeless guy on the street.  He was excited to have it, but when i told him i was going to wait in line for the PS4 he got all depressed and said, "Does this have eight gigs of GDDR5?"  I told him no and he threw it in the trash.  

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Someone use the Jennifer Lawrence "Yeah OK" gif.

 

My computer annhilates the PS4. I havent gamed at 1080p since ummmm a long time ago.

HAZE-Unit

How much dat sh!t in your sig costs anyways? 

Using Newegg

around 4k including the monitor.  

I paid a lot less though.  Bought stuff on sale and at a local computer store called Microcenter.

2300 sounds about right.  

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

Thank you Forbes. Thank you Sony.

Fizzman

Dude, the PS4 has GDDR5.

Brah, do you even game?

I already gave my POS PC to some homeless guy on the street. He was excited to have it, but when i told him i was going to wait in line for the PS4 he got all depressed and said, "Does this have eight gigs of GDDR5?" I told him no and he threw it in the trash.

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"][QUOTE="Cranler"] No matter how much ram it has or how fast it is, it cant make up for the weak cpu and mediocre gpu. A pc with a high end gpu and cpu destroys PS 4. PS 4 is a relatively weak console compared to 360 for its time.

you do realize the clock speed for each of those cores is extremely low right?  the cpu they're using is used for low/med end laptops.  this is going to blow your mind, but there are many 4 core cpu's that completely obliterate the cpu for the ps4.  so what did you learn today kiddo?  number of cores doesnt mean it's uber powerful

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Someone use the Jennifer Lawrence "Yeah OK" gif.

 

My computer annhilates the PS4. I havent gamed at 1080p since ummmm a long time ago.

Fizzman

How much dat sh!t in your sig costs anyways? 

Using Newegg

around 4k including the monitor.  

I paid a lot less though.  Bought stuff on sale and at a local computer store called Microcenter.

2300 sounds about right.  

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"][QUOTE="Cranler"] No matter how much ram it has or how fast it is, it cant make up for the weak cpu and mediocre gpu. A pc with a high end gpu and cpu destroys PS 4. PS 4 is a relatively weak console compared to 360 for its time.Cranler

welcome to the next 5 years of sw where we will discuss.

ram.

ram.

more ram.

and general ramm.

Riverwolf007

Thanks for the pic. You made my day.:P

[QUOTE="Rage010101"]

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"] Weak GPU? Are you serious? Running on 8 CPU cores alone? Do you know how many CPU cores that totals?MstaPrimeMnista

you do realize the clock speed for each of those cores is extremely low right?  the cpu they're using is used for low/med end laptops.  this is going to blow your mind, but there are many 4 core cpu's that completely obliterate the cpu for the ps4.  so what did you learn today kiddo?  number of cores doesnt mean it's uber powerful

so basically what you're saying is that you have no idea what you are talking about.  gotcha :|

Last gen you guys said "oh look at dat sh!tty RAM, my 200 years old PC have more RAM", now you guys say "look at dat sh1tty GPU, 8GB RAM doesn't mean sh1t if GPU is crap".

So hermits, which is it do you want to be impressed about? is it RAM? is it GPU? or is the argument changes whereever it suits you?

HAZE-Unit

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"] Weak GPU? Are you serious? Running on 8 CPU cores alone? Do you know how many CPU cores that totals?MstaPrimeMnista

hes simply stating that the pc market has more advanced hardware.  if he wanted, he could have named alot lesser costing gpu's and cpu's that are also more powerful than whats in the ps4.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Someone use the Jennifer Lawrence "Yeah OK" gif.

 

My computer annhilates the PS4. I havent gamed at 1080p since ummmm a long time ago.

Fizzman

How much dat sh!t in your sig costs anyways? 

Using Newegg

around 4k including the monitor.  

I paid a lot less though.  Bought stuff on sale and at a local computer store called Microcenter.

2300 sounds about right.  

and it doesn't even have "dah cell" err wrong gen, i mean "dah 8gb gddr5"

i had gddr5 like 2 v cards ago, and now the console fanboys are hyping it like the second comming.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Someone use the Jennifer Lawrence "Yeah OK" gif.

 

My computer annhilates the PS4. I havent gamed at 1080p since ummmm a long time ago.

Fizzman

How much dat sh!t in your sig costs anyways? 

Using Newegg

around 4k including the monitor.  

I paid a lot less though.  Bought stuff on sale and at a local computer store called Microcenter.

2300 sounds about right.  

So if anyone wants to make the same rig it would probably be around the $4K? unless they find deals like you did? 

Thats a beastly rig but cmon you can't compare PS4 with yours, it's not fair like AT ALL lol.

I mean for the average consumer who wants a gaming machine that is up to date, PS4 is a hell of a machine right there with the mainstream gaming PCs and surely can be an alternative for gaming PCs.

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

How much dat sh!t in your sig costs anyways? 

Tessellation

Using Newegg

around 4k including the monitor.  

I paid a lot less though.  Bought stuff on sale and at a local computer store called Microcenter.

2300 sounds about right.  

Too bad it can't max out Crysis 3.  I have to turn AA off to achieve 60+ FPS.  AA is pretty useless at my resolution, but i want to say i can completely max out Crysis 3.  

Nvidia just released the best GPU on the planet, "Titan" and a pair of those makes my 680's look like complete garbage.  Unfortunately they cost 1k per card which is just too much money and I would have to buy two more monitors so i am not wasting their performance since one monitor for SLI'd Titan's is extreme overkill.  That adds another 1600+ in monitor costs.  

Extreme resolution gaming is fun, and if you can afford it, it is definitely worth the price of admission once you start playing at resolutions 10x better than what the PS4 and 720 will be playing at.  You are basically playing video games ten years into the future.  

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

How much dat sh!t in your sig costs anyways? 

HAZE-Unit

Using Newegg

around 4k including the monitor.  

I paid a lot less though.  Bought stuff on sale and at a local computer store called Microcenter.

2300 sounds about right.  

So if anyone wants to make the same rig it would probably be around the $4K? unless they find deals like you did? 

Thats a beastly rig but cmon you can't compare PS4 with yours, it's not fair like AT ALL lol.

I mean for the average consumer who wants a gaming machine that is up to date, PS4 is a hell of a machine right there with the mainstream gaming PCs and surely can be an alternative for gaming PCs.

Don't take what i say too seriously on SW.  I just like to mess around with console users just like console users like to "troll" PC gamers.  

PS4 and 720 will have decent graphics.  I am buying both and looking forward to playing their exclusive software.  

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

Last gen you guys said "oh look at dat sh!tty RAM, my 200 years old PC have more RAM", now you guys say "look at dat sh1tty GPU, 8GB RAM doesn't mean sh1t if GPU is crap".

So hermits, which is it do you want to be impressed about? is it RAM? is it GPU? or is the argument changes whereever it suits you?

DarkLink77

Not a PC tech savvy but at least that's what I remember for the whole last-gen, I said RAM isn't everything and everyone and their mother disagreed.

Good you catched my post, wanted to edit got accidentally deleted.

Sony has a way of convincing it's flock that they are getting some kind of god technology that only Sony can use.

 

Emotion Engine

Cell

GDDR5

Atleast the last two had interesting names.

Fizzman

you are taalking with people that are too lazy to build their own pc and go to options menu of the games, expecting them to read about something, specially hardware, is well, :lol:

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Using Newegg

around 4k including the monitor.  

I paid a lot less though.  Bought stuff on sale and at a local computer store called Microcenter.

2300 sounds about right.  

Fizzman

So if anyone wants to make the same rig it would probably be around the $4K? unless they find deals like you did? 

Thats a beastly rig but cmon you can't compare PS4 with yours, it's not fair like AT ALL lol.

I mean for the average consumer who wants a gaming machine that is up to date, PS4 is a hell of a machine right there with the mainstream gaming PCs and surely can be an alternative for gaming PCs.

Don't take what i say too seriously on SW.  I just like to mess around with console users just like console users like to "troll" PC gamers.  

PS4 and 720 will have decent graphics.  I am buying both and looking forward to playing their exclusive software.  

Good to know, never easy to know who's serious and who's trolling.

it still amazes me no matter how many times i see it how can a supossedly professional writter for an important magazine write something without even doing a proper analysis and investigation on the matter.

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

How much dat sh!t in your sig costs anyways? 

HAZE-Unit

Using Newegg

around 4k including the monitor.  

I paid a lot less though.  Bought stuff on sale and at a local computer store called Microcenter.

2300 sounds about right.  

So if anyone wants to make the same rig it would probably be around the $4K? unless they find deals like you did? 

Thats a beastly rig but cmon you can't compare PS4 with yours, it's not fair like AT ALL lol.

I mean for the average consumer who wants a gaming machine that is up to date, PS4 is a hell of a machine right there with the mainstream gaming PCs and surely can be an alternative for gaming PCs.

you can build a rig with similar specs to a ps4 for about $600

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

Last gen you guys said "oh look at dat sh!tty RAM, my 200 years old PC have more RAM", now you guys say "look at dat sh1tty GPU, 8GB RAM doesn't mean sh1t if GPU is crap".

So hermits, which is it do you want to be impressed about? is it RAM? is it GPU? or is the argument changes whereever it suits you?

Not a PC tech savvy but at least that's what I remember for the whole last-gen, I said RAM isn't everything and everyone and their mother disagreed.

Good you catched my post, wanted to edit got accidentally deleted.

Not sure if all this trash talk is a joke. Clearly the ps4 is no match for a high end pc. It is a mid end pc at best and soon to be a lower end pc next year or two. The one saving grace is that the ps4 will be maxed out. This is the edge consoles have being a closed system but is also it's curse. Unlike past gens these console will be a blessing to hermits IMO. While the next gen consoles will be maxed out at 1080p, pc's have long passed that point.

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"][QUOTE="Cranler"] Pc is up to 8 cores at 4ghz. 7850 is med-high end now. 360 launched with a card that didnt even have an equal atlaunch let alone 9 months prior to launch. Titan is almost 3x faster than a 7850. Rage010101

hes simply stating that the pc market has more advanced hardware.  if he wanted, he could have named alot lesser costing gpu's and cpu's that are also more powerful than whats in the ps4.

What is new ?

That is why consoles can last 7+ years with 300$ hardware and a 2000$ PC is obsolete after a few months usually

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"]Gotta say it, already stated you cant get a PC to do what the PS4 is doing in another thread. Basically effeciency, bandwidth and speed at its finest. Excellent article, especially the part about the unified memory, which makes a huge difference as neither the CPU or GPU is really limited to less then 7-8 gigs of the full RAM.MstaPrimeMnista

(Condensed Version):

You Can't Build A PS4: Why Sony's Next Console Is Truly Next-Gen And Your PC Isn't

The PS4 uses hardware that you simply cantget for your custom gaming PC.

RAM-BO

In the PC set-up, we have 8 gigs of common DDR3 RAM, but Sony has somehow crammed the same amount of GDDR5 RAM into its PS4.

GDDR5 is primarily used in graphics chips. Its not something you see used as system RAM at all.

For instance, the nVidia Titan GPU, which costs $1000 by itself, has just 6GB of GDDR5 RAM, and thats still all reserved for the GPU. Youll be hard-pressed to findany PC with GDDR5 plugged directly into the motherboard rather than sitting on the graphics card. This just isnt how PCs work at the moment, though that will likely change.

GDDR5, while suffering from slightly higher latency, offers a substantial bandwidth boost over DDR3, and given the make-up of the integrated CPU/GPU chip in the PS4 this will translate to a substantial performance boost.

One Chip to rule them all

Next up we have the CPU/GPU configuration.

Again, what Sony has done with the PS4 is something that PC builders simply cannot do yet. PCs come with two separate chips connected over a PCI-E chipset.

The PS4, on the other hand, houses an integrated CPU/GPU custom AMD chipthe Jaguar CPU is not available for purchase yet and the GPU side of the equation is said to be similar to AMD cards running in the $200 price-range. The secret weapon here isnt either the 8-core CPU or the GPU, but rather how the two are paired.

Both the processor and the graphics card are built into the same chip and both tap into that 8GB of DDR5 memory at onceits a unified memory setup as opposed to the system your PC uses, with the CPU utilizing your DDR3 system memory and your GPU harnessing the more robust GDDR5.

What does this mean? Basically it means that the two chips will be able to communicate with one another much faster and more efficiently than in a traditional PC set-up. Combine this with the high-bandwidth GDDR5 memory and the fact that much of the traditional CPU tasks will be offloaded to the GPU, and you have a machine that you simply cannot compare to a modern PC.

The fact is, no matter how you slice or dice it, you cant build a PC with the same specs or performance as the PS4. You could almost certainly build something faster and more powerful, but it will cost you more than the PS4 is likely going to cost.

Link

GIXX3R

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

What is new ?

That is why consoles can last 7+ years with 300$ hardware and a 2000$ PC is obsolete after a few months usually

BPoole96

[QUOTE="Rage010101"]

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"] There you have it folks, get the titan and you wont need anything else for gaming!! Everyone to PC RIGS!!MstaPrimeMnista

hes simply stating that the pc market has more advanced hardware.  if he wanted, he could have named alot lesser costing gpu's and cpu's that are also more powerful than whats in the ps4.

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]Enough with this fvcking 8GB GDDR5 RAM.RedCore119

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"][QUOTE="Cranler"] No matter how much ram it has or how fast it is, it cant make up for the weak cpu and mediocre gpu. A pc with a high end gpu and cpu destroys PS 4. PS 4 is a relatively weak console compared to 360 for its time.delta3074

The hardware may have a cool design, yet it can't run Killzone: Shadow Fall at 60fps.

Result = PC wins.

GeForce-

hes simply stating that the pc market has more advanced hardware.  if he wanted, he could have named alot lesser costing gpu's and cpu's that are also more powerful than whats in the ps4.

buy 25 pc games, and buy 25 console games..       See whos laughing at the end of the day.

 

Buying a console is like taking out a loan to buy that brand new car, you might be driving it immediately!, but your gonna be paying more than what it should cost in the long run.

 

Pc games are cheaper, pc games go on sale faster.    PC doesnt compete with consoles, pc is master race and in a league of its own. 

lunar1122

who wrote that page? consolelet? YUP even I don't keep with tech parts but, i know damn well that is horse Sh1tk2theswiss

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]who wrote that page? consolelet? YUP even I don't keep with tech parts but, i know damn well that is horse Sh1tdelta3074

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"] These are not all optimized for gaming, PC is not mainly for gaming. I have an audio program that requires the CPU, movie makers require the GPU, game makers require it, these optimizations for tools doesnt mean optimization for a games graphics performance, especially when developers dont optimize it for them, they optimize it for average american joe who got his PC whipped together by target. The only thing PC gamers have, is modders who make sh!t look better behind all the other smoke and mirrors, and even this, is only recognized best for select games.MstaPrimeMnista

Someone use the Jennifer Lawrence "Yeah OK" gif.

My computer annhilates the PS4. I havent gamed at 1080p since ummmm a long time ago.

Fizzman

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"][QUOTE="delta3074"]You realise that the Ps4 probably won't be able to run crysis 3 on max settings right?delta3074

the example is every console generation ever?
optimization and coding to one spec with less OS over head will allow the ps4 to most likely produce graphics on the level of a 7970 if not better

a pc with the specs of a ps3 couldnt run half the games a ps3 can
there is also a article from john carmack where he states coding to one spec/one api allows consoles to produce power of 2x the pc equivalant(this has always been the case for quite some time)

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="k2theswiss"]who wrote that page? consolelet? YUP even I don't keep with tech parts but, i know damn well that is horse Sh1tMstaPrimeMnista

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"][QUOTE="delta3074"]You realise that the Ps4 probably won't be able to run crysis 3 on max settings right?delta3074

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"] Yes, it would, easily actually.xxgunslingerxx

the example is every console generation ever?
optimization and coding to one spec with less OS over head will allow the ps4 to most likely produce graphics on the level of a 7970 if not better

No it can't, the GPU isn't powerful enough, why don'y ou actually post an argument to refute my point instead of just saying so,oh, thatys right, you can't can you, like i said , the GPU in the Ps4 doesn't even come close to the power requires to run crysis 3 on Max settings, the GDDR5 in the Ps3 cannot magically turn a HD 7850 into a HD 7970 whichever way you slice it. Provide evidence that you can magically double the power of the HD 7850,loldelta3074

the example is every console generation ever?
optimization and coding to one spec with less OS over head will allow the ps4 to most likely produce graphics on the level of a 7970 if not better

[QUOTE="xxgunslingerxx"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]No it can't, the GPU isn't powerful enough, why don'y ou actually post an argument to refute my point instead of just saying so,oh, thatys right, you can't can you, like i said , the GPU in the Ps4 doesn't even come close to the power requires to run crysis 3 on Max settings, the GDDR5 in the Ps3 cannot magically turn a HD 7850 into a HD 7970 whichever way you slice it. Provide evidence that you can magically double the power of the HD 7850,loldelta3074

the example is every console generation ever?
optimization and coding to one spec with less OS over head will allow the ps4 to most likely produce graphics on the level of a 7970 if not better

it will produce the equivalant not double the power

find me a pc that has 256mb system ram and 256 video ram that can run something like uncharted 3 or crysis 3

also find the john carmack link he says so himself and im pretty sure he knows a thing or 2 about what a game console can do

also its not just optimization its programing to exact specs and using one set of APIs

LOL i thought lemmings were bad.........or maybe the sheep.....NAW its the hermits......the sheer amount of butt hurt i see is startling..........go watch more videos of Star Citizen if you gonna keep crying about the ps4..........jeeze

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"] Yes, it would, easily actually.MstaPrimeMnista