Forbes: PS4 Is Truly Next-Gen And Your PC Isn't

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

How much dat sh!t in your sig costs anyways? 

HAZE-Unit

Using Newegg

around 4k including the monitor.  

I paid a lot less though.  Bought stuff on sale and at a local computer store called Microcenter.

2300 sounds about right.  

So if anyone wants to make the same rig it would probably be around the $4K? unless they find deals like you did? 

Thats a beastly rig but cmon you can't compare PS4 with yours, it's not fair like AT ALL lol.

I mean for the average consumer who wants a gaming machine that is up to date, PS4 is a hell of a machine right there with the mainstream gaming PCs and surely can be an alternative for gaming PCs.

I do agree it has great specs. I was worried Sony would go with some crap HD 6670 GPU which would hold back on the GPU power, hence we will have crappier looking games hence crappier looking games being ported over the PC instead of a significant leap in graphics. Looking at the specs at least some of my fears have been partially removed. Glad they went with 8 GB of RAM. Hopefully that will mean better looking games high rez textures, larger environments, heh consoles might actually be able to run Crysis in all it's glory, with all settings set to MAX. :P

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"][QUOTE="delta3074"]No it can't, the GPU isn't powerful enough, why don'y ou actually post an argument to refute my point instead of just saying so,oh, thatys right, you can't can you, like i said , the GPU in the Ps4 doesn't even come close to the power requires to run crysis 3 on Max settings, the GDDR5 in the Ps3 cannot magically turn a HD 7850 into a HD 7970 whichever way you slice it. Provide evidence that you can magically double the power of the HD 7850,loldelta3074

the example is every console generation ever?
optimization and coding to one spec with less OS over head will allow the ps4 to most likely produce graphics on the level of a 7970 if not better

Tears in my eyes from laughing so hard. Unless the PS4 is built like a desktop tower, you're going to have the same kind of heat issues that have been the downfall of every console over the course of it's life.

I don't have that issue with my PC. Not only do I have a watercooler on the CPU, but my GPU has a dedicated fan and has a constant stream of cool air being blown at it.

I'm not even touching on the fact that a system with 16GBs of DDR3 RAM and GDDR5 ram dedicated to the GPU will ALWAYS run better than anything that's forced to use the same resources.

airshocker

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"][QUOTE="delta3074"]optimisation can double a GPU's power? Really? good to know,loldelta3074

I can get max graphics with my shared GPU, doesnt mean it performs well.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"] Its possible, taking out the 1000 of threads running in a PC background and eliminating them, could very well double the performance.MstaPrimeMnista

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"][QUOTE="delta3074"]optimisation can double a GPU's power? Really? good to know,loldelta3074

your ignorance or attempt and trolling is showing then

cause you keep ignoring the following

console hardware will run games with higer graphical ability that their pc equivalant

ps4 is almost minium spec for crysis 3 on max

therefore ps4 will be able to run crysis 3 on max and probably even crysis 4(when that comes out) on med/high

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"] You havent tried to prove anything for me to prover otherwise, all you did was post a graph which makes as much sense as a hazy pie graph. Your trying to say HD 7970 is the only thing to run crysis 3 on max. You are wrong.MstaPrimeMnista

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Using Newegg

around 4k including the monitor.  

I paid a lot less though.  Bought stuff on sale and at a local computer store called Microcenter.

2300 sounds about right.  

Fizzman

So if anyone wants to make the same rig it would probably be around the $4K? unless they find deals like you did? 

Thats a beastly rig but cmon you can't compare PS4 with yours, it's not fair like AT ALL lol.

I mean for the average consumer who wants a gaming machine that is up to date, PS4 is a hell of a machine right there with the mainstream gaming PCs and surely can be an alternative for gaming PCs.

Don't take what i say too seriously on SW.  I just like to mess around with console users just like console users like to "troll" PC gamers.  

PS4 and 720 will have decent graphics.  I am buying both and looking forward to playing their exclusive software.  

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"] Its possible, taking out the 1000 of threads running in a PC background and eliminating them, could very well double the performance.xxgunslingerxx

your ignorance or attempt and trolling is showing then

cause you keep ignoring the following

console hardware will run games with higer graphical ability that their pc equivalant

ps4 is almost minium spec for crysis 3 on max

therefore ps4 will be able to run crysis 3 on max and probably even crysis 4(when that comes out) on med/high

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="xxgunslingerxx"]

the example is every console generation ever?
optimization and coding to one spec with less OS over head will allow the ps4 to most likely produce graphics on the level of a 7970 if not better

xxgunslingerxx

it will produce the equivalant not double the power

find me a pc that has 256mb system ram and 256 video ram that can run something like uncharted 3 or crysis 3

also find the john carmack link he says so himself and im pretty sure he knows a thing or 2 about what a game console can do

also its not just optimization its programing to exact specs and using one set of APIs

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"] Its possible, taking out the 1000 of threads running in a PC background and eliminating them, could very well double the performance.xxgunslingerxx

your ignorance or attempt and trolling is showing then

cause you keep ignoring the following

console hardware will run games with higer graphical ability that their pc equivalant

ps4 is almost minium spec for crysis 3 on max

therefore ps4 will be able to run crysis 3 on max and probably even crysis 4(when that comes out) on med/high

"You could almost certainly build something faster and more powerful, but it will cost you more than the PS4 is likely going to cost"

He spent alot of time writing all that about the ps4 ram when he admits at the end that it doesn't actually change anything and personally for me it will cost me about the same as the ps4 assuming it cost $400 to upgrade my pc once I sell my old ram and gpu and get my rebate.

[QUOTE="Slow_Show"]

Cliff notes version: dude from Forbes doesn't understand what GDDR5 is. 

Mozuckint

so this pretty much mean the PS4 is gonna be mega expensivethedork_knight

"You could almost certainly build something faster and more powerful, but it will cost you more than the PS4 is likely going to cost"

He spent alot of time writing all that about the ps4 ram when he admits at the end that it doesn't actually change anything and personally for me it will cost me about the same as the ps4 assuming it cost $400 to upgrade my pc once I sell my old ram and gpu and get my rebate.

DJ_Headshot

"You could almost certainly build something faster and more powerful, but it will cost you more than the PS4 is likely going to cost"

He spent alot of time writing all that about the ps4 ram when he admits at the end that it doesn't actually change anything and personally for me it will cost me about the same as the ps4 assuming it cost $400 to upgrade my pc once I sell my old ram and gpu and get my rebate.

DJ_Headshot

"Again, what Sony has done with the PS4 is something that PC builders simply cannot do yet. PCs come with two separate chips connected over a PCI-E chipset."

He wouldn't be refering to the APU that PCs have had for 2 odd years now would he, by any chance?

If so, have a guess how much credibility the article has left.

And if by his own admission GDDR 5 has higher latency, maybe he should have a guess why PCs that are designed to do other things, don't use it. See PC owners have the luxary of using both types to suit both purposes.

Does he think i'd use higher latency Ram in my PC as my main Ram on purpose?

EDIT: Just read the update to that article (at the bottom), he starts back-peddling on everything. :lol:

"Again, what Sony has done with the PS4 is something that PC builders simply cannot do yet. PCs come with two separate chips connected over a PCI-E chipset."

He wouldn't be refering to the APU that PCs have had for 2 odd years now would he, by any chance?

If so, have a guess how much credibility the article has left.

And if by his own admission GDDR 5 has higher latency, maybe he should have a guess why PCs that are designed to do other things, don't use it. See PC owners have the luxary of using both types to suit both purposes.

Does he think i'd use higher latency Ram in my PC as my main Ram on purpose?

HalcyonScarlet

Back in 2006 I couldn't build a custom PC with "teh cell" in it either.

That didn't really mean anything though.

Ly_the_Fairy

Exactly, I remember back in 2006 when console fanboys saying that ps3 will surpass even 2x 8800GTX, what happened of course is that a single 8800GTX was & still play games with better graphics and performance  than ps3. in fact even a prehistoric ati x1950pro(that it is two times slower than 8800) can play games like crysis2 with slightly better graphics and performance   than ps3 link.

console fanboys will never learn...

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"]Gotta say it, already stated you cant get a PC to do what the PS4 is doing in another thread. Basically effeciency, bandwidth and speed at its finest. Excellent article, especially the part about the unified memory, which makes a huge difference as neither the CPU or GPU is really limited to less then 7-8 gigs of the full RAM.MstaPrimeMnista

[QUOTE="DJ_Headshot"]

"You could almost certainly build something faster and more powerful, but it will cost you more than the PS4 is likely going to cost"

He spent alot of time writing all that about the ps4 ram when he admits at the end that it doesn't actually change anything and personally for me it will cost me about the same as the ps4 assuming it cost $400 to upgrade my pc once I sell my old ram and gpu and get my rebate.

KungfuKitten

Thats not even taking into account the $120 of free games I got WITH the 7950. Thanks to AMD never settle reloaded promotion they have going on now I got download codes for Crysis 3 and Bioshock Inifinite for free.  If I wasn't using them for my self to play them I could have made the upgrade cheaper by selling the codes for both games online for $50-$60 each.  Regardless if I had sold them or not I doubt you will see any game bundles at launch with the ps4 so your going to be spending a minimum of $460 if you want to enjoy your brand new ps4 for next-gen gaming assuming sony doesn't get cocky with there pricing again.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Tears in my eyes from laughing so hard. Unless the PS4 is built like a desktop tower, you're going to have the same kind of heat issues that have been the downfall of every console over the course of it's life.

I don't have that issue with my PC. Not only do I have a watercooler on the CPU, but my GPU has a dedicated fan and has a constant stream of cool air being blown at it.

I'm not even touching on the fact that a system with 16GBs of DDR3 RAM and GDDR5 ram dedicated to the GPU will ALWAYS run better than anything that's forced to use the same resources.

Cranler

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Tears in my eyes from laughing so hard. Unless the PS4 is built like a desktop tower, you're going to have the same kind of heat issues that have been the downfall of every console over the course of it's life.

I don't have that issue with my PC. Not only do I have a watercooler on the CPU, but my GPU has a dedicated fan and has a constant stream of cool air being blown at it.

I'm not even touching on the fact that a system with 16GBs of DDR3 RAM and GDDR5 ram dedicated to the GPU will ALWAYS run better than anything that's forced to use the same resources.

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Tears in my eyes from laughing so hard. Unless the PS4 is built like a desktop tower, you're going to have the same kind of heat issues that have been the downfall of every console over the course of it's life.

I don't have that issue with my PC. Not only do I have a watercooler on the CPU, but my GPU has a dedicated fan and has a constant stream of cool air being blown at it.

I'm not even touching on the fact that a system with 16GBs of DDR3 RAM and GDDR5 ram dedicated to the GPU will ALWAYS run better than anything that's forced to use the same resources.

CwlHeddwyn

The article was heavily misleading, He was just trying to say that you can't find a APU as powerful as the one found in PS4, He wasn't trying to say PS4 is more powerful than PCs. Forbes is a user attracting whore.

The article was heavily misleading, He was just trying to say that you can't find a APU as powerful as the one found in PS4, He wasn't trying to say PS4 is more powerful than PCs. Forbes is a user attracting whore.

faizan_faizan

You mean I can't buy a ps4 level slimform laptop?!?

:cry:

welcome to the next 5 years of sw where we will discuss.

ram.

ram.

more ram.

and general ramm.

Riverwolf007

Uh, a lot of rich hermits already have better PCs...

What they don't have, tho, is the software to showcase it. (except that tech-demo called Crysis 3 and some graphics mods)

You can buy APUs on PC, AMD has been making them for a while now.ferret-gamer

Yeah, but they don't have teh 8 gigs of GDDR5... :D

Uh, a lot of rich hermits already have better PCs...

What they don't have, tho, is the software to showcase it. (except that tech-demo called Crysis 3 and some graphics mods)

The hardware may have a cool design, yet it can't run Killzone: Shadow Fall at 60fps.

Result = PC wins.

Im absolutely amazed by the sheer amount of pc gamers feeling so completely threatened by the announcement of the ps4 i really dont know what to say, other than playing games the 2 devices are completely different its apples and oranges.

I will laugh though if when the ps4 actually launches and the games make current top end pc games look bad, god only knows what the pc (and console) zealots will be like LOLOL :lol::lol:

Uh, a lot of rich hermits already have better PCs...

What they don't have, tho, is the software to showcase it. (except that tech-demo called Crysis 3 and some graphics mods)

nameless12345

you don't have to be rich to have a decent pc, you need to have a decent income by dum dum dum ..... work!

i know, shocking for a basement dweller such as yourself

running every game with maxed graphics, 1080p 60 fps and flawless for the last years is more than enough showcase. 

PS4 has the highest architecture for right now. PCs move forward at pretty fast rate with GPUs, CPU, and RAM. So within 1-2 years of PS4 launch PCs will pass it up. 

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]You can buy APUs on PC, AMD has been making them for a while now.nameless12345

Yeah, but they don't have teh 8 gigs of GDDR5... :D

PS4 has the highest architecture for right now. PCs move forward at pretty fast rate with GPUs, CPU, and RAM. So within 1-2 years of PS4 launch PCs will pass it up. 

clr84651

PS4 has the equivalent of a $160 GPU and a $90 CPU. It was surpassed by PC years ago. My guess is that AMD will by making a full on push with their APUs in '13/14, so we'll see Kaveri at around X3 levels this year, and then a Liverpool type APU mid 2014. Both around $150. 

Like some people have been saying, 360 was much more powerful compared to PCs at it's release than the X3/PS4 will be by the time they drop. Gears, Fight Night, and Oblivion were legit showcases against their PC counterparts in early '06. 

Give MS some credit on this one, Sony basically ditched their hardware design philosophy from the past 12yrs and went straight with the 360 approach. All those years bragging on the Cell and RSX, now cows gonna flip out over an AMD APU? 

PS4 has the highest architecture for right now. PCs move forward at pretty fast rate with GPUs, CPU, and RAM. So within 1-2 years of PS4 launch PCs will pass it up. 

clr84651

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]You can buy APUs on PC, AMD has been making them for a while now.nameless12345

Yeah, but they don't have teh 8 gigs of GDDR5... :D

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]You can buy APUs on PC, AMD has been making them for a while now.delta3074

Yeah, but they don't have teh 8 gigs of GDDR5... :D

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

 

Yeah, but they don't have teh 8 gigs of GDDR5... :D

faizan_faizan

i seen 60fps on PS2 and PS3 but we wont of PS4? wow lol

:lol:

Uh, a lot of rich hermits already have better PCs...

What they don't have, tho, is the software to showcase it. (except that tech-demo called Crysis 3 and some graphics mods)

nameless12345

[QUOTE="clr84651"]

PS4 has the highest architecture for right now. PCs move forward at pretty fast rate with GPUs, CPU, and RAM. So within 1-2 years of PS4 launch PCs will pass it up. 

delta3074

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="clr84651"]

PS4 has the highest architecture for right now. PCs move forward at pretty fast rate with GPUs, CPU, and RAM. So within 1-2 years of PS4 launch PCs will pass it up. 

Eddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="clr84651"]

PS4 has the highest architecture for right now. PCs move forward at pretty fast rate with GPUs, CPU, and RAM. So within 1-2 years of PS4 launch PCs will pass it up. 

Eddie-Vedder

It's not. It's better than a PC that cost $100 more.

A $2000 Pc is not oonly overkill, it's like 4 PS4's glued together.

Now, stop being a stupid consolite.

What many people here do not understand is that having lots of fast RAM is useless if your GPU is trash.

[QUOTE="clr84651"]

PS4 has the highest architecture for right now. PCs move forward at pretty fast rate with GPUs, CPU, and RAM. So within 1-2 years of PS4 launch PCs will pass it up. 

gamecubepad

PS4 has the equivalent of a $160 GPU and a $90 CPU. It was surpassed by PC years ago. My guess is that AMD will by making a full on push with their APUs in '13/14, so we'll see Kaveri at around X3 levels this year, and then a Liverpool type APU mid 2014. Both around $150. 

Like some people have been saying, 360 was much more powerful compared to PCs at it's release than the X3/PS4 will be by the time they drop. Gears, Fight Night, and Oblivion were legit showcases against their PC counterparts in early '06. 

Give MS some credit on this one, Sony basically ditched their hardware design philosophy from the past 12yrs and went straight with the 360 approach. All those years bragging on the Cell and RSX, now cows gonna flip out over an AMD APU? 

Holy $hit, you just blew my mind.

Could this have been AMD's plan all along?

Saddle the consoles with an APU - then sell APu's that perform the same on desktops and laptops and pretty much OWN that market.

I mean, if you can say that your laptop with AMD APU will do all of your computing AND play all the enxt gen games for cheap, man, that's goign to bring a lot of people to their platform.

Brilliant AMD!