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:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.Adrian_CloudDid you completely miss the Virtua Tennis 3 announcement for the 360? In which it was said to be native 1080p?
:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.Adrian_Cloud360 does have 1080p in games. Maybe it is "scaled" but since the fall update, every game I play is diplayed, according to the menu on my tv, in 1080p.
[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.mythrolDid you completely miss the Virtua Tennis 3 announcement for the 360? In which it was said to be native 1080p? Xbox360 doesnt have the Capabilities of Producing NATIVE 1080p... But nice try ;)
[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.mythrolDid you completely miss the Virtua Tennis 3 announcement for the 360? In which it was said to be native 1080p? NBA Street, too...
[QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"][QUOTE="GloverD"]Scaled 1080p.....purplemidgetsStill 1080p.
[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.GloverDDid you completely miss the Virtua Tennis 3 announcement for the 360? In which it was said to be native 1080p? Xbox360 doesnt have the Capabilities of Producing NATIVE 1080p... But nice try ;) The 360 CAN do 1080p natively. Nice try though....
[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.GloverDDid you completely miss the Virtua Tennis 3 announcement for the 360? In which it was said to be native 1080p? Xbox360 doesnt have the Capabilities of Producing NATIVE 1080p... But nice try ;) Virtua Tennis 3 and NBA Street will have 1080p on the 360... Where have you been?!
[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.GloverDDid you completely miss the Virtua Tennis 3 announcement for the 360? In which it was said to be native 1080p? Xbox360 doesnt have the Capabilities of Producing NATIVE 1080p... But nice try ;) Yes it does. Go read the fall firmware update for the 360. It specifically says native 1080p. CRAP! Why does this discussion come up so often? Are cows afraid of the "mythological" 1080p mark of the 360?
[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.GloverDDid you completely miss the Virtua Tennis 3 announcement for the 360? In which it was said to be native 1080p? Xbox360 doesnt have the Capabilities of Producing NATIVE 1080p... But nice try ;) I does...the update fixed it. it just needs the game to be produced with native 1080p..it already upscales them, jus need native games..and they're coming;)
[QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"][QUOTE="GloverD"]Scaled 1080p.....fatzombiepigeonStill 1080p.
[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.dhjohns360 does have 1080p in games. Maybe it is "scaled" but since the fall update, every game I play is diplayed, according to the menu on my tv, in 1080p. EVery game since the Fall update, downloaded sotware has very little to do with a game being in 1080p resolution. The only problem is what MS said, the update did. By what they said, actual gameplay cannot be in 1080p. I thought it could, but Lost Planet is definately not 1080p.
I'll bet you anything that all these people that say that 1080p upscaled looks worse than 1080p native don't even own 1080p TV's :lol:Â
Guess what? I have a 1080p TV, (51in LCD HDTV),  a PS3 & a 360 & games running in "true" 1080p on the PS3 through HDMI look no better than 360 games running at "upscaled" 1080p through component. FACT.
[QUOTE="GloverD"][QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.mythrolDid you completely miss the Virtua Tennis 3 announcement for the 360? In which it was said to be native 1080p? Xbox360 doesnt have the Capabilities of Producing NATIVE 1080p... But nice try ;) Yes it does. Go read the fall firmware update for the 360. It specifically says native 1080p. CRAP! Why does this discussion come up so often? Are cows afraid of the "mythological" 1080p mark of the 360? Im not scared i just never knew.. my ignorence sorry. And is that This Fall update or the one that passed?
Yup, the x360 is certainly capable of 1080p.
[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.GloverDDid you completely miss the Virtua Tennis 3 announcement for the 360? In which it was said to be native 1080p? Xbox360 doesnt have the Capabilities of Producing NATIVE 1080p... But nice try ;)
You self-owned with your lack of knowledge.
Leave the thread to save face. ;)
It says 1080p. So it's 1080p.fatzombiepigeon
[QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"][QUOTE="GloverD"]Scaled 1080p.....fatzombiepigeonStill 1080p.
[QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"][QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"][QUOTE="GloverD"]Scaled 1080p.....GloverDStill 1080p.
Guess what? I have a 1080p TV, (51in LCD HDTV), a PS3 & a 360 & games running in "true" 1080p on the PS3 through HDMI look no better than 360 games running at "upscaled" 1080p through component. FACT.ColoradoKindBud
Anyway. Back to Forza. Game has 12 tracks not really all that good i wudda preferred to see 2 discs with more tracksGloverD12 environments... 40 or so tracks.
[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="GloverD"][QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.GloverDDid you completely miss the Virtua Tennis 3 announcement for the 360? In which it was said to be native 1080p? Xbox360 doesnt have the Capabilities of Producing NATIVE 1080p... But nice try ;) Yes it does. Go read the fall firmware update for the 360. It specifically says native 1080p. CRAP! Why does this discussion come up so often? Are cows afraid of the "mythological" 1080p mark of the 360? Im not scared i just never knew.. my ignorence sorry. And is that This Fall update or the one that passed? IGN: Will games begin to be developed with 1080p as the native resolution, or is the 360's new 1080p support an advance in the console's internal scaling abilities? GN: Will games begin to be developed with 1080p as the native resolution, or is the 360's new 1080p support an advance in the console's internal scaling abilities? Microsoft: If developed, the Xbox 360 will support playback of native 1080p games and all existing Xbox 360 titles can be up-scaled to 1080p. The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p. How is the 360's new 1080p support, in practical application, going to be any different than what was already possible? Microsoft: We can offer 1080p support through both the VGA connection and the Component connection. _____________ I assure MS, doesn't know what there doing with 1080p? They say its native, but admits it comes through as 1080i and then is de-interlaced to 1080p? This part sums 360's 1080p. ____________ Microsoft's current response doesn't yet explain how the company can rectify its claimed support of 1080p with the fact that the 360 doesn't support the connection (HDMI) that will actually allow most 1080p HDTVs to display the signal. While the VGA solution may work for a minority of 1080p HDTV owners, we're left wondering if Microsoft is promoting this new 1080p capability primarily to blunt the onslaught of the PlayStation 3, which supports HDMI and 1080p.
[QUOTE="dhjohns"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.Adrian_Cloud360 does have 1080p in games. Maybe it is "scaled" but since the fall update, every game I play is diplayed, according to the menu on my tv, in 1080p. EVery game since the Fall update, downloaded sotware has very little to do with a game being in 1080p resolution. The only problem is what MS said, the update did. By what they said, actual gameplay cannot be in 1080p. I thought it could, but Lost Planet is definately not 1080p.
Both Virtua Tennis 3Â and NBA Street Homecourt will be rendered in native 1080p.
360 does have 1080p in games. Maybe it is "scaled" but since the fall update, every game I play is diplayed, according to the menu on my tv, in 1080p. EVery game since the Fall update, downloaded sotware has very little to do with a game being in 1080p resolution. The only problem is what MS said, the update did. By what they said, actual gameplay cannot be in 1080p. I thought it could, but Lost Planet is definately not 1080p.[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="dhjohns"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.The_Game21x
Both Virtua Tennis 3 and NBA Street Homecourt will be rendered in native 1080p.
Both thos games aren't out, and haven't been shown to be 1080p on anything other than PS3. Anyhow. IGN: Will games begin to be developed with 1080p as the native resolution, or is the 360's new 1080p support an advance in the console's internal scaling abilities? GN: Will games begin to be developed with 1080p as the native resolution, or is the 360's new 1080p support an advance in the console's internal scaling abilities? Microsoft: If developed, the Xbox 360 will support playback of native 1080p games and all existing Xbox 360 titles can be up-scaled to 1080p. The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p. How is the 360's new 1080p support, in practical application, going to be any different than what was already possible? Microsoft: We can offer 1080p support through both the VGA connection and the Component connection. _____________ I assure MS, doesn't know what there doing with 1080p? They say its native, but admits it comes through as 1080i and then is de-interlaced to 1080p? This part sums 360's 1080p. ____________ Microsoft's current response doesn't yet explain how the company can rectify its claimed support of 1080p with the fact that the 360 doesn't support the connection (HDMI) that will actually allow most 1080p HDTVs to display the signal. While the VGA solution may work for a minority of 1080p HDTV owners, we're left wondering if Microsoft is promoting this new 1080p capability primarily to blunt the onslaught of the PlayStation 3, which supports HDMI and 1080p.[QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"][QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"][QUOTE="GloverD"]Scaled 1080p.....GloverDStill 1080p.
[QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]Guess what? I have a 1080p TV, (51in LCD HDTV), a PS3 & a 360 & games running in "true" 1080p on the PS3 through HDMI look no better than 360 games running at "upscaled" 1080p through component. FACT.purplemidgets
Sure I can, because I have a 1080p TV & both systems. It makes me more qualified to compare them the most of the fanboys on here that have neither a 1080p TV or both systems to do a true comparison. And the fact that people like you want to argue about how much better native 1080p looks vs. upscaled 1080p simply proves my point. Play both systems on a 1080p TV before trying to talk to me about how one looks so much better than the other.
[QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]Guess what? I have a 1080p TV, (51in LCD HDTV), a PS3 & a 360 & games running in "true" 1080p on the PS3 through HDMI look no better than 360 games running at "upscaled" 1080p through component. FACT.ColoradoKindBud
Sure I can, because I have a 1080p TV & both systems. It makes me more qualified to compare them the most of the fanboys on here that have neither a 1080p TV or both systems to do a true comparison. And the fact that people like you want to argue about how much better native 1080p looks vs. upscaled 1080p simply proves my point. Play both systems on a 1080p TV before trying to talk to me about how one looks so much better than the other.
What were you comparing Gears vs Mobil suit Gundam If a game looks better, its probably not cause of the resolution. Its just cause the game naturally looks better.1080p = 1920x1080 resolution, 1920x1080 per frame
1080i = 1920x1080 resolution, 1920x540 per frame (alternating, alot less bandwidth was designed for HDTV broadcasting at high res with lower bandwidth needs)
Now... can you make graphical resources that are interlaced? ... no, making two bitmaps with "blank" alternating lines actually takes more RAM/Storage than a single bitmap for example so noone will ever bother doing that lol. Also GPU's dont render interlaced images, you can't calculate AA correctly when you are missing every second line can you as another example. This means when a GPU renders a 1080i image is *has* to render a 1080p image and then the output is interlaced, this is the only way it *can* be done
You know what means? That means making a game 1080i native is just as stressfull on the GPU as a 1080p native application. (and its why we dont even get 1080i native high end games much less 1080p high end ones)
In fact if you show a still image at 1080i and 1080p... it would be completely impossible to tell the difference... impossible ;)
The 360 can do native 1080p rendering also as pointed out in the link article itself and by microsoft and by game developers (check annoucements of 1080p native games) and by the update that allowed it.... what else do you need to believe it folks? :)
This says maybe not. IGN: Will games begin to be developed with 1080p as the native resolution, or is the 360's new 1080p support an advance in the console's internal scaling abilities? GN: Will games begin to be developed with 1080p as the native resolution, or is the 360's new 1080p support an advance in the console's internal scaling abilities? Microsoft: If developed, the Xbox 360 will support playback of native 1080p games and all existing Xbox 360 titles can be up-scaled to 1080p. The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p. How is the 360's new 1080p support, in practical application, going to be any different than what was already possible? Microsoft: We can offer 1080p support through both the VGA connection and the Component connection. _____________ I assure MS, doesn't know what there doing with 1080p? They say its native, but admits it comes through as 1080i and then is de-interlaced to 1080p? This part sums 360's 1080p. ____________ Microsoft's current response doesn't yet explain how the company can rectify its claimed support of 1080p with the fact that the 360 doesn't support the connection (HDMI) that will actually allow most 1080p HDTVs to display the signal. While the VGA solution may work for a minority of 1080p HDTV owners, we're left wondering if Microsoft is promoting this new 1080p capability primarily to blunt the onslaught of the PlayStation 3, which supports HDMI and 1080p.1080p = 1920x1080 resolution, 1920x1080 per frame
1080i = 1920x1080 resolution, 1920x540 per frame (alternating, alot less bandwidth was designed for HDTV broadcasting at high res with lower bandwidth needs)
Now... can you make graphical resources that are interlaced? ... no, making two bitmaps with "blank" alternating lines actually takes more RAM/Storage than a single bitmap for example so noone will ever bother doing that lol. Also GPU's dont render interlaced images, you can't calculate AA correctly when you are missing every second line can you as another example. This means when a GPU renders a 1080i image is *has* to render a 1080p image and then the output is interlaced, this is the only way it *can* be done
You know what means? That means making a game 1080i native is just as stressfull on the GPU as a 1080p native application. (and its why we dont even get 1080i native high end games much less 1080p high end ones)
In fact if you show a still image at 1080i and 1080p... it would be completely impossible to tell the difference... impossible ;)
The 360 can do native 1080p rendering also as pointed out in the link article itself and by microsoft and by game developers (check annoucements of 1080p native games) and by the update that allowed it.... what else do you need to believe it folks? :)
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Yep, Forza looks cool. I must admit I'm more looking forward to Motorstorm right now but I'll still pick up Forza2 for sure.ColoradoKindBudmoterstorm = ps3 only good game
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