Forza 2 to be in 1080p

Sure I can, because I have a 1080p TV & both systems. It makes me more qualified to compare them the most of the fanboys on here that have neither a 1080p TV or both systems to do a true comparison. And the fact that people like you want to argue about how much better native 1080p looks vs. upscaled 1080p simply proves my point. Play both systems on a 1080p TV before trying to talk to me about how one looks so much better than the other.

ColoradoKindBud

[QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]Yep, Forza looks cool.  I must admit I'm more looking forward to Motorstorm right now but I'll still pick up Forza2 for sure.urdoomed11

[QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]Guess what? I have a 1080p TV, (51in LCD HDTV), a PS3 & a 360 & games running in "true" 1080p on the PS3 through HDMI look no better than 360 games running at "upscaled" 1080p through component. FACT.ColoradoKindBud

Sure I can, because I have a 1080p TV & both systems. It makes me more qualified to compare them the most of the fanboys on here that have neither a 1080p TV or both systems to do a true comparison. And the fact that people like you want to argue about how much better native 1080p looks vs. upscaled 1080p simply proves my point. Play both systems on a 1080p TV before trying to talk to me about how one looks so much better than the other.

[QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]

[QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]Guess what? I have a 1080p TV, (51in LCD HDTV), a PS3 & a 360 & games running in "true" 1080p on the PS3 through HDMI look no better than 360 games running at "upscaled" 1080p through component. FACT.Adrian_Cloud

Sure I can, because I have a 1080p TV & both systems. It makes me more qualified to compare them the most of the fanboys on here that have neither a 1080p TV or both systems to do a true comparison. And the fact that people like you want to argue about how much better native 1080p looks vs. upscaled 1080p simply proves my point. Play both systems on a 1080p TV before trying to talk to me about how one looks so much better than the other.

Like I said, get back to me when you get a 1080p TV, a 360 & a PS3 & can see for yourself that there are no graphical differences between PS3 running games natively in 1080p & the 360 running them upscaled in 1080p.  Until then, you're just like the rest of the people who think they know something about it, but really don't.

So... the 360 has to do double the work to take a 1080i signal and turn it into 1080p? Am I the only one that thinks that's an utterly retarded idea?


purplemidgets

[QUOTE="DMWhiteDragon"]

1080p = 1920x1080 resolution, 1920x1080 per frame

1080i = 1920x1080 resolution, 1920x540 per frame (alternating, alot less bandwidth was designed for HDTV broadcasting at high res with lower bandwidth needs)

Now... can you make graphical resources that are interlaced? ... no, making two bitmaps with "blank" alternating lines actually takes more RAM/Storage than a single bitmap for example so noone will ever bother doing that lol. Also GPU's dont render interlaced images, you can't calculate AA correctly when you are missing every second line can you as another example. This means when a GPU renders a 1080i image is *has* to render a 1080p image and then the output is interlaced, this is the only way it *can* be done

You know what means? That means making a game 1080i native is just as stressfull on the GPU as a 1080p native application. (and its why we dont even get 1080i native high end games much less 1080p high end ones)

In fact if you show a still image at 1080i and 1080p... it would be completely impossible to tell the difference... impossible ;)

The 360 can do native 1080p rendering also as pointed out in the link article itself and by microsoft and by game developers (check annoucements of 1080p native games) and by the update that allowed it.... what else do you need to believe it folks? :)

Adrian_Cloud

lol, man are YOU out of date...

http://au.gear.ign.com/articles/735/735860p1.html

there is the UPDATED article where you got that from... and as you can see, they didn't quite have it right ;) have a read and get back to me

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/blogs/turn_10s_forza_motorsport_blog/archive/2007/02/12/46731.aspx


yes
supermechakirby

My 42 inch Sharp Aquos 1080p LCD doesent have a VGA input but Component, HDMI and RCA inputs. The TV however accepts 1080p through component cables (pretty sure most 1080p tv's do).

Upscaled.

And GT 5 will destroy Forza 2 in the graphics department when it sports NATIVE 1080p graphics.

[QUOTE="supermechakirby"]http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/blogs/turn_10s_forza_motorsport_blog/archive/2007/02/12/46731.aspx


yes
PS2Hawk

LMAO NOW 1080p matter to lemmingsPS2Hawk

Not really.

x360 gamers just like to point out that the x360 can do 1080p and, thus, squash Sony's claim. ;)

Oh and before you re pasted that rediculous line out of context again

"The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p"

how about you paste the WHOLE thing

"There are very few 1080p native HDTVs that accept 1080p via Component connections. The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p. "

What that means is... while the 360 does FULL NATIVE 1080p support over VGA and Component...it doesn't yet do it over HDMI which most 1080p TV's only accept a 1080p signal from, which MEANS... 1080i will only be accepted from the componenet on these TV's and it will be upsclaed to 1080p

Thought id clear that up for you, you seemed a bit confused :)

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="dhjohns"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.Adrian_Cloud

Both Virtua Tennis 3 and NBA Street Homecourt will be rendered in native 1080p.

Yes they have. Sega confirmed 1080p support on the Xbox 360 here, and NBA Street was confirmed here, thus destrying the whole, "Xbox 360 can't display a native 1080p signal" argument. 

:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.Adrian_Cloud

your right, 360 doesn't have 108p playback, it has 1080p playback.

Anyone look at the back of Lost Planet? It is in 1080p also.T-Aldous

[QUOTE="GloverD"][QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="GloverD"][QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.Adrian_Cloud

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.GloverD

[QUOTE="T-Aldous"]Anyone look at the back of Lost Planet? It is in 1080p also.purplemidgets

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.GloverD

Upscaled.

And GT 5 will destroy Forza 2 in the graphics department when it sports NATIVE 1080p graphics.

mentzer

if you say so...:roll:

[QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="T-Aldous"]Anyone look at the back of Lost Planet? It is in 1080p also.Velocitas8

i got a 1080p tv that thew only way to get this rersolution is by HDMI.SO M$ doesnt satisfy that option

[QUOTE="GloverD"][QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.Raidea

i got a 1080p tv that thew only way to get this rersolution is by HDMI.SO M$ doesnt satisfy that option

OldParr

My HDTV only goes to 1080i, so this news is unimportant to me.

sonicare

[QUOTE="GloverD"]Scaled 1080p.....fatzombiepigeon

upscale 1080p does not equal 1080 native... sorry...

that's like taking regular dvd movies and upscale to 1080...

better quality than standard but not equal to native 1080p

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="GloverD"][QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="GloverD"][QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.Pro_wrestler

It's only scaled to that resolution. It's not really 1080p.TrueReligion_

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]It's only scaled to that resolution. It's not really 1080p.-GeordiLaForge-

Upscaled.

And GT 5 will destroy Forza 2 in the graphics department when it sports NATIVE 1080p graphics.

mentzer

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]It's only scaled to that resolution. It's not really 1080p.Adrian_Cloud

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]It's only scaled to that resolution. It's not really 1080p.Adrian_Cloud

Quote: "IGN: There are very few 1080p native HDTVs that accept 1080p via Component connections. The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p....."

Quote: "IGN: Will games begin to be developed with 1080p as the native resolution, or is the 360's new 1080p support an advance in the console's internal scaling abilities?

Microsoft: If developed, the Xbox 360 will support playback of native 1080p games and all existing Xbox 360 titles can be up-scaled to 1080p."

Source: http://au.gear.ign.com/articles/735/735860p1.html

According to the VERY SAME IGN article... it is NATIVE 1080p... stop spreading lies my god lol

Im starting to believe we really DO have plants here (from all companys)

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]It's only scaled to that resolution. It's not really 1080p.-GeordiLaForge-

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]It's only scaled to that resolution. It's not really 1080p.DMWhiteDragon

Quote: "IGN: There are very few 1080p native HDTVs that accept 1080p via Component connections. The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p....."

Quote: "IGN: Will games begin to be developed with 1080p as the native resolution, or is the 360's new 1080p support an advance in the console's internal scaling abilities?

Microsoft: If developed, the Xbox 360 will support playback of native 1080p games and all existing Xbox 360 titles can be up-scaled to 1080p."

Source: http://au.gear.ign.com/articles/735/735860p1.html

According to the VERY SAME IGN article... it is NATIVE 1080p... stop spreading lies my god lol

Im starting to believe we really DO have plants here (from all companys)

It's only scaled to that resolution. It's not really 1080p.TrueReligion_

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]It's only scaled to that resolution. It's not really 1080p.Adrian_Cloud

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]It's only scaled to that resolution. It's not really 1080p.DMWhiteDragon

Quote: "IGN: There are very few 1080p native HDTVs that accept 1080p via Component connections. The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p....."

Quote: "IGN: Will games begin to be developed with 1080p as the native resolution, or is the 360's new 1080p support an advance in the console's internal scaling abilities?

Microsoft: If developed, the Xbox 360 will support playback of native 1080p games and all existing Xbox 360 titles can be up-scaled to 1080p."

Source: http://au.gear.ign.com/articles/735/735860p1.html

According to the VERY SAME IGN article... it is NATIVE 1080p... stop spreading lies my god lol

Im starting to believe we really DO have plants here (from all companys)

[QUOTE="GloverD"]Scaled 1080p.....fatzombiepigeon

[QUOTE="DMWhiteDragon"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]It's only scaled to that resolution. It's not really 1080p.Adrian_Cloud

Quote: "IGN: There are very few 1080p native HDTVs that accept 1080p via Component connections. The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p....."

Quote: "IGN: Will games begin to be developed with 1080p as the native resolution, or is the 360's new 1080p support an advance in the console's internal scaling abilities?

Microsoft: If developed, the Xbox 360 will support playback of native 1080p games and all existing Xbox 360 titles can be up-scaled to 1080p."

Source: http://au.gear.ign.com/articles/735/735860p1.html

According to the VERY SAME IGN article... it is NATIVE 1080p... stop spreading lies my god lol

Im starting to believe we really DO have plants here (from all companys)

[QUOTE="DMWhiteDragon"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]It's only scaled to that resolution. It's not really 1080p.Adrian_Cloud

Quote: "IGN: There are very few 1080p native HDTVs that accept 1080p via Component connections. The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p....."

Quote: "IGN: Will games begin to be developed with 1080p as the native resolution, or is the 360's new 1080p support an advance in the console's internal scaling abilities?

Microsoft: If developed, the Xbox 360 will support playback of native 1080p games and all existing Xbox 360 titles can be up-scaled to 1080p."

Source: http://au.gear.ign.com/articles/735/735860p1.html

According to the VERY SAME IGN article... it is NATIVE 1080p... stop spreading lies my god lol

Im starting to believe we really DO have plants here (from all companys)

Again you are WRONG ma lad-o ;)... you are either trolling/lying or grossly misinformed... i made posts before about how wrong you were... you are ignoring them so i can only assume you are lying.

The 1080p signal is not interlaced then deinterlaced at all... you are VERY confused here... you need to re-read the article untill you actually understand whats going on

You have a very valid gripe about HDMI as i do myself... MS should add the cable as they in that very article say they can

Now lets get to examples:

1080p Native TV, supports 1080p via HDMI only
Result: Only option is to use 1080i over component and the TV will deinterlace the signal to support its 1080p native display

1080p Native TV, supports 1080p via HDMI and Component
Result: Perfect native 1080p signal from the 360

Now the games... if we are using tv 2... and the game is 1080p native.. not just 'supported'.. then we get a pure true hd 1080p native experiance... all using the 360

I mean the article itself that YOU are using as information tells us this ^^

read it... again... carefully

EDIT: damn malformed html errors... i hate these editors heh

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="DMWhiteDragon"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]It's only scaled to that resolution. It's not really 1080p.DMWhiteDragon

Quote: "IGN: There are very few 1080p native HDTVs that accept 1080p via Component connections. The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p....."

Quote: "IGN: Will games begin to be developed with 1080p as the native resolution, or is the 360's new 1080p support an advance in the console's internal scaling abilities?

Microsoft: If developed, the Xbox 360 will support playback of native 1080p games and all existing Xbox 360 titles can be up-scaled to 1080p."

Source: http://au.gear.ign.com/articles/735/735860p1.html

According to the VERY SAME IGN article... it is NATIVE 1080p... stop spreading lies my god lol

Im starting to believe we really DO have plants here (from all companys)

Again you are WRONG ma lad-o ;)... you are either trolling/lying or grossly misinformed... i made posts before about how wrong you were... you are ignoring them so i can only assume you are lying.

The 1080p signal is not interlaced then deinterlaced at all... you are VERY confused here... you need to re-read the article untill you actually understand whats going on

You have a very valid gripe about HDMI as i do myself... MS should add the cable as they in that very article say they can

Now lets get to examples:

1080p Native TV, supports 1080p via HDMI only
Result: Only option is to use 1080i over component and the TV will deinterlace the signal to support its 1080p native display

1080p Native TV, supports 1080p via HDMI and Component
Result: Perfect native 1080p signal from the 360

Now the games... if we are using tv 2... and the game is 1080p native.. not just 'supported'.. then we get a pure true hd 1080p native experiance... all using the 360

I mean the article itslef that YOU are using as information tells us this ^^

read it... again... carefully

*snip*

1080p televisions can accept 1080p through the VGA cable. And if your tv doesn't have a vga port, then all you have to do is convert the analog component/vga signal to HDMI. Bam, problem solved.-GeordiLaForge-

Oh of course, but im trying to keep it simple so he can understand the issue.. and understand the issue IGN was talking about