[QUOTE="DMWhiteDragon"]This says maybe not. IGN: Will games begin to be developed with 1080p as the native resolution, or is the 360's new 1080p support an advance in the console's internal scaling abilities? GN: Will games begin to be developed with 1080p as the native resolution, or is the 360's new 1080p support an advance in the console's internal scaling abilities? Microsoft: If developed, the Xbox 360 will support playback of native 1080p games and all existing Xbox 360 titles can be up-scaled to 1080p. The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p. How is the 360's new 1080p support, in practical application, going to be any different than what was already possible? Microsoft: We can offer 1080p support through both the VGA connection and the Component connection. _____________ I assure MS, doesn't know what there doing with 1080p? They say its native, but admits it comes through as 1080i and then is de-interlaced to 1080p? This part sums 360's 1080p. ____________ Microsoft's current response doesn't yet explain how the company can rectify its claimed support of 1080p with the fact that the 360 doesn't support the connection (HDMI) that will actually allow most 1080p HDTVs to display the signal. While the VGA solution may work for a minority of 1080p HDTV owners, we're left wondering if Microsoft is promoting this new 1080p capability primarily to blunt the onslaught of the PlayStation 3, which supports HDMI and 1080p. Who ever spoke for MS was not well informed how the system works. All games stated 2 years ago, will be made NATIVELY 720P, and then scaled to 1080i, if your set won't do 720P. Now saying that, in turn that means that from 720P, if you choose to do 1080P, 720P would then be upscaled to 1080P. Not 1080i, to 1080P. Since games are made 720P natively. Now as stated before, most TV's won't do 1080P through component. But there sets that will. I play on my Aquos with that resolution thru VGA, and it looks great.1080p = 1920x1080 resolution, 1920x1080 per frame
1080i = 1920x1080 resolution, 1920x540 per frame (alternating, alot less bandwidth was designed for HDTV broadcasting at high res with lower bandwidth needs)
Now... can you make graphical resources that are interlaced? ... no, making two bitmaps with "blank" alternating lines actually takes more RAM/Storage than a single bitmap for example so noone will ever bother doing that lol. Also GPU's dont render interlaced images, you can't calculate AA correctly when you are missing every second line can you as another example. This means when a GPU renders a 1080i image is *has* to render a 1080p image and then the output is interlaced, this is the only way it *can* be done
You know what means? That means making a game 1080i native is just as stressfull on the GPU as a 1080p native application. (and its why we dont even get 1080i native high end games much less 1080p high end ones)
In fact if you show a still image at 1080i and 1080p... it would be completely impossible to tell the difference... impossible ;)
The 360 can do native 1080p rendering also as pointed out in the link article itself and by microsoft and by game developers (check annoucements of 1080p native games) and by the update that allowed it.... what else do you need to believe it folks? :)
Adrian_Cloud
Forza 2 to be in 1080p
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[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="DMWhiteDragon"]Yeah, Virtua Tennis will likely be the first native 1080p game. I already told you its not native. All "1080p" games, The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p. not "true" HD, if you ask IGN.[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]It's only scaled to that resolution. It's not really 1080p.DMWhiteDragon
Quote: "IGN: There are very few 1080p native HDTVs that accept 1080p via Component connections. The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p....."
Quote: "IGN: Will games begin to be developed with 1080p as the native resolution, or is the 360's new 1080p support an advance in the console's internal scaling abilities?
Microsoft: If developed, the Xbox 360 will support playback of native 1080p games and all existing Xbox 360 titles can be up-scaled to 1080p."
Source: http://au.gear.ign.com/articles/735/735860p1.html
According to the VERY SAME IGN article... it is NATIVE 1080p... stop spreading lies my god lol
Im starting to believe we really DO have plants here (from all companys)
Thats in my above quote, if you read it fully, and stop butting into other peoples posts and say there telling lies. Dont just skip to the last page, and mis every thing that was discussed. Get real. this is 360 Native 1080p(as also seen in Lost Planet)T:he signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p PS3 NAtive 1080p: Signal is fully received in progressive1080.Again you are WRONG ma lad-o ;)... you are either trolling/lying or grossly misinformed... i made posts before about how wrong you were... you are ignoring them so i can only assume you are lying.
The 1080p signal is not interlaced then deinterlaced at all... you are VERY confused here... you need to re-read the article untill you actually understand whats going on
You have a very valid gripe about HDMI as i do myself... MS should add the cable as they in that very article say they can
Now lets get to examples:
1080p Native TV, supports 1080p via HDMI only
Result: Only option is to use 1080i over component and the TV will deinterlace the signal to support its 1080p native display
1080p Native TV, supports 1080p via HDMI and Component
Result: Perfect native 1080p signal from the 360
Now the games... if we are using tv 2... and the game is 1080p native.. not just 'supported'.. then we get a pure true hd 1080p native experiance... all using the 360
I mean the article itslef that YOU are using as information tells us this ^^
read it... again... carefully
YOu just said, what i just said and called me wrong. If i knew this thread was going to be still here after 6 hours, i might have come back and checked. Man this isn't even debateble. If there sending a 1080i signal to the T.V its not 1080p. If there sending a 1080i signal and the t.v is de interlacing it to support its 1080p, still not true HD. If 360 had an HDMI then its 1080p, and for the majority of people whos 1080p tvs don't accept it through any other than HDMIs, then there screwed. So much for the Big FAll update. I like 360, and i like 1080i. Virtua Tennis 3 comes out in 3 months?[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]
*snip*
1080p televisions can accept 1080p through the VGA cable. And if your tv doesn't have a vga port, then all you have to do is convert the analog component/vga signal to HDMI. Bam, problem solved.DMWhiteDragon
Oh of course, but im trying to keep it simple so he can understand the issue.. and understand the issue IGN was talking about
Ah, cool. I still don't know if he'll accept the truth though.[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="DMWhiteDragon"]Yeah, Virtua Tennis will likely be the first native 1080p game. I already told you its not native. All "1080p" games, The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p. not "true" HD, if you ask IGN.[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]It's only scaled to that resolution. It's not really 1080p.-GeordiLaForge-
Quote: "IGN: There are very few 1080p native HDTVs that accept 1080p via Component connections. The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p....."
Quote: "IGN: Will games begin to be developed with 1080p as the native resolution, or is the 360's new 1080p support an advance in the console's internal scaling abilities?
Microsoft: If developed, the Xbox 360 will support playback of native 1080p games and all existing Xbox 360 titles can be up-scaled to 1080p."
Source: http://au.gear.ign.com/articles/735/735860p1.html
According to the VERY SAME IGN article... it is NATIVE 1080p... stop spreading lies my god lol
Im starting to believe we really DO have plants here (from all companys)
Thats in my above quote, if you read it fully, and stop butting into other peoples posts and say there telling lies. Dont just skip to the last page, and mis every thing that was discussed. Get real. this is 360 Native 1080p(as also seen in Lost Planet)T:he signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p PS3 NAtive 1080p: Signal is fully received in progressive1080. That's what the scalar does... The 360 can do 1080p NATIVELY, just like the IGN article states. Latest update adds 1080p native support @ XBox.com Microsoft: the Xbox 360 will support playback of native 1080p games @ IGN.com Microsoft announces support for native 1080p gamesVirtua Tennis will be NATIVE 1080pSega's Virtua Tennis to Be X360's First Native 1080p TitleOnce again, Virtua Tennis is first NATIVE 1080p 360 game I am not going to continue just because of your lack of technical knowledge about console and computer hardware. Seriously, read the articles very carefully... Look up Adrian_Cloud[QUOTE="DMWhiteDragon"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="DMWhiteDragon"]Yeah, Virtua Tennis will likely be the first native 1080p game. I already told you its not native. All "1080p" games, The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p. not "true" HD, if you ask IGN.[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]It's only scaled to that resolution. It's not really 1080p.Adrian_Cloud
Quote: "IGN: There are very few 1080p native HDTVs that accept 1080p via Component connections. The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p....."
Quote: "IGN: Will games begin to be developed with 1080p as the native resolution, or is the 360's new 1080p support an advance in the console's internal scaling abilities?
Microsoft: If developed, the Xbox 360 will support playback of native 1080p games and all existing Xbox 360 titles can be up-scaled to 1080p."
Source: http://au.gear.ign.com/articles/735/735860p1.html
According to the VERY SAME IGN article... it is NATIVE 1080p... stop spreading lies my god lol
Im starting to believe we really DO have plants here (from all companys)
Thats in my above quote, if you read it fully, and stop butting into other peoples posts and say there telling lies. Dont just skip to the last page, and mis every thing that was discussed. Get real. this is 360 Native 1080p(as also seen in Lost Planet)T:he signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p PS3 NAtive 1080p: Signal is fully received in progressive1080.Again you are WRONG ma lad-o ;)... you are either trolling/lying or grossly misinformed... i made posts before about how wrong you were... you are ignoring them so i can only assume you are lying.
The 1080p signal is not interlaced then deinterlaced at all... you are VERY confused here... you need to re-read the article untill you actually understand whats going on
You have a very valid gripe about HDMI as i do myself... MS should add the cable as they in that very article say they can
Now lets get to examples:
1080p Native TV, supports 1080p via HDMI only
Result: Only option is to use 1080i over component and the TV will deinterlace the signal to support its 1080p native display
1080p Native TV, supports 1080p via HDMI and Component
Result: Perfect native 1080p signal from the 360
Now the games... if we are using tv 2... and the game is 1080p native.. not just 'supported'.. then we get a pure true hd 1080p native experiance... all using the 360
I mean the article itslef that YOU are using as information tells us this ^^
read it... again... carefully
YOu just said, what i just said and called me wrong. If i knew this thread was going to be still here after 6 hours, i might have come back and checked. Man this isn't even debateble. If there sending a 1080i signal to the T.V its not 1080p. If there sending a 1080i signal and the t.v is de interlacing it to support its 1080p, still not true HD. If 360 had an HDMI then its 1080p, and for the majority of people whos 1080p tvs don't accept it through any other than HDMIs, then there screwed. So much for the Big FAll update. I like 360, and i like 1080i. Virtua Tennis 3 comes out in 3 months? First off, almost all 1080p tv's have VGA ports. And if a person's 1080p tv doesn't, then they can convert the analog component/vga 1080p signal to HDMI very easily. In either case, there is no problem in reality.[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="DMWhiteDragon"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]
*snip*
1080p televisions can accept 1080p through the VGA cable. And if your tv doesn't have a vga port, then all you have to do is convert the analog component/vga signal to HDMI. Bam, problem solved.Adrian_Cloud
Oh of course, but im trying to keep it simple so he can understand the issue.. and understand the issue IGN was talking about
Ah, cool. I still don't know if he'll accept the truth though. I do........1080i upscaled to 1080p on t.vs= HD. The part that makes it native is the fact that it was developed to be displayed in 1080p, since it can't do that without an HDMI, it sends the signal through as 1080i and then it goes to 1080p. This process doesn't lower quality all ofcourse. Virtua Tennis 3 1080p PS3= Vritua Tennis 3 1080p. Native 1080p = native 1080p, NOT 1080i upscaled to 1080p... And 1080p televisions can accept 1080p through the VGA cable. And if your tv doesn't have a vga port, then all you have to do is convert the analog component/vga signal to HDMI. Bam, problem solved.YOu just said, what i just said and called me wrong. If i knew this thread was going to be still here after 6 hours, i might have come back and checked. Man this isn't even debateble. If there sending a 1080i signal to the T.V its not 1080p. If there sending a 1080i signal and the t.v is de interlacing it to support its 1080p, still not true HD. If 360 had an HDMI then its 1080p, and for the majority of people whos 1080p tvs don't accept it through any other than HDMIs, then there screwed. So much for the Big FAll update. I like 360, and i like 1080i. Virtua Tennis 3 comes out in 3 months? Adrian_Cloud
omfg... did you... really just say that? i didn't say what you said at all cause what you are saying is false
You didn't read a damn word did you lol, your one crazy fanboy
Its quite simple now... you ready? here we go...
You set the 360 to output at 1080p... ok?
You hook up the component cables to a TV that supports 1080p over component cables... still with me??
You play a 1080p native game.... am i losing you yet?
and what do we get?
1080p rendering, 1080p output over component and 1080p display... without any 1080i or deinterlacing *AT ALL* at *ANY POINT* in the process
Are you with it now?
1080i doesn't even come into the process at all at any point in that setup... got it? that means *NATIVE 1080p* ok? right?
Hmm perhaps you are simply misunderstanding this paragraph
"IGN: There are very few 1080p native HDTVs that accept 1080p via Component connections. The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p. "
The second sentance has context with the first... hence it being a paragraph. This sentance tells us very clearly that the 360 does do native 1080p over component.... but because most TV's accept it over only HDMI, the 360 will need to be set to 1080i INSTEAD for the tv to accept a display signal... got it?
This in no way shape or form at all suggest the 360 doesn't do native 1080p... ok ? :P In no uncertain terms its declared in that same article... that "the Xbox 360 will support playback of native 1080p games "
So your statements that the 360 cannot do native 1080p are... *completely* false
got it?
1080i upscaled to 1080p = Native 1080p. There i agree with you. /thread.Adrian_Cloud
lol i swear you are a company plant... and you are proberbly doing it for a PS3 right? ;)
Anyway noone said that (expect you), nor even impled it (expect you)
You simply choose not to understand i guess... well i guess thats your right hey? to remain ignorant! ... well long as ya happy i guess heh
:lol: 360 doesn't have 108p in games. Show me the quote where MS says 1080p "replay". Other than that it will look great in 1080i... maybe even better than MotorStorm. :lol: motorstorm.Adrian_Cloud
not only can 360 do 1080p better then PS3 , but it can upscale the games to it :lol: @ PS3 that downscale game insteed of upscaling them :lol: !
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