Forza 3 Vs. GT5.................

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[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Forza 3 has better physics because of how the game calculates stuff, I gave an example in another thread, there was a video of the Evolution X FQ 360 being put against a GTR in 3 tests, when they got to the Latteral G test, the Evo X hit 1.61G's, I went into Forza and modded my Evo X to the specs of the FQ 360 and hit a corner like the one in the video and it hit 1.66G's, thats pretty damn accurate.

better physics for what tho? and based on what? for an arcade game or for a simulation type game where the physics should be based off the real life carcounterparts...like how GT5 has done?

or is it just that...you like those physics Forza 3 better but don't really have anything to base those "calculations" it uses off of?

just a few questions to get a better understnading of if whatyou're trying to say is based on facts or your opinion.

Did you not read my post? First off, I DO race, I've raced on tracks and on a drag strip, second, I gave a prime example, read the friggin post, carefully...

EDIT: Haha, he tried to delete his post. :lol:

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

Please post that video

RacerFMGT

Link. Pretty neat video, I was mistaken though, it was the Evo X FQ 400, not the 360.

Yea, the GTR (Use to be the Skyline GTR) is a beast, expensive, but its pure awesomeness. :)

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Forza 3 has better physics because of how the game calculates stuff, I gave an example in another thread, there was a video of the Evolution X FQ 360 being put against a GTR in 3 tests, when they got to the Latteral G test, the Evo X hit 1.61G's, I went into Forza and modded my Evo X to the specs of the FQ 360 and hit a corner like the one in the video and it hit 1.66G's, thats pretty damn accurate.

playharderfool

Please post that video

Your turn, show something from Polly even remotely close to this please ?

No trying to undermind GT5 & polly but T10 has proved themselves as one heck of a dev. when it comes to drivers.Physics

IGN: Can you talk about some of the more crucial additions to the physics engine as compared to the original Forza?Greenawalt: We're pretty obsessed with physics. It takes upwards of 9000 parameters to define a car in our simulation -- everything's got weight and inertia from the engine, driveline and clutch to the rims and tires. We spent over three months on the tire physics alone. You can't overestimate the importance of tire modeling and a physics simulation. Tire physics are a very dynamic science. The manufacturers are learning new things about the properties of tires all the time. We partnered with real-world tire manufacturers including Toyo to make sure we were on the cutting edge of tire technology.

Also, we run our physics at 360 fps. This makes the cars very responsive like in the real world. Some games run their physics at 60 fps, this makes the cars unresponsive -- they feel like they are driving in molasses. Occasionally, players mis-identify the unresponsiveness as weight and inertia, but that's not the case. Even heavy cars with a high polar inertia like mine are very responsive in the real-world. By running our physics at 360 frames per second, we can recreate every nuance of a car's behavior as it transfers load as well as each bump in the road and change in terrain. IGN: There are pits in some of the tracks. Will these play any role in races? And please explain the decision to keep pits open in short races, when it would be completely unnecessary to pit? Greenawalt: With damage, it's never completely unnecessary to pit. Even in a short race, if there is a giant smash up in the first corner and the AI gets significantly damaged, it will pit on the next lap. With our simulation damage turned on, the car becomes completely un-drivable -- and the race doesn't end until the player says it does. You may not win if you pit, but it does allow you to keep "griefing" the AI. Give it a try; you'll see how much fun it can be.

[QUOTE="RacerFMGT"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Link. Pretty neat video, I was mistaken though, it was the Evo X FQ 400, not the 360.

Yea, the GTR (Use to be the Skyline GTR) is a beast, expensive, but its pure awesomeness. :)

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

better physics for what tho? and based on what? for an arcade game or for a simulation type game where the physics should be based off the real life carcounterparts...like how GT5 has done?

or is it just that...you like those physics Forza 3 better but don't really have anything to base those "calculations" it uses off of?

just a few questions to get a better understnading of if whatyou're trying to say is based on facts or your opinion.

RacerFMGT

Did you not read my post? First off, I DO race, I've raced on tracks and on a drag strip, second, I gave a prime example, read the friggin post, carefully...

EDIT: Haha, he tried to delete his post. :lol:

2009 Lancer Ralliart with a bigger Turbo, better BOV, Boost Pill, ECU Flash. (Obviously, can't have alot of things on these new cars without a friggin ECU Flash...)

EDIT: Oh yea, the other car in my sig, thats the 2009 V6 Galant, its a pretty quick car for how big it is.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="RacerFMGT"] i like that Nissan GTRRacerFMGT

Yea, the GTR (Use to be the Skyline GTR) is a beast, expensive, but its pure awesomeness. :)

80 - 85k

yeah GT5 demo was highly disapointing, was actually looking forward to that game but not much excited after playing the demo. Forza 3 just murders GT5

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Forza 3 has better physics because of how the game calculates stuff, I gave an example in another thread, there was a video of the Evolution X FQ 360 being put against a GTR in 3 tests, when they got to the Latteral G test, the Evo X hit 1.61G's, I went into Forza and modded my Evo X to the specs of the FQ 360 and hit a corner like the one in the video and it hit 1.66G's, thats pretty damn accurate.

Nagidar

Please post that video

Link. Pretty neat video, I was mistaken though, it was the Evo X FQ 400, not the 360.

:| Oh so that video really dosen't have anything to do with the spokesmen endorceing Forza 3's physics/calculations in relationship to the real cars?

You just gave out some random numbers as your "evidence" that Foza 3 has better calculations than GT5 because the "numbers" of those calculations were close?

But what about the actual proformance in relationship to those numbers?

All I'm saying is that's a pretty weak argument for evidence that Foza has better physics/calculations than GT just because GT dosen't show them...and even if GT's numbers were shown if wouldn't make a real diffrence if those numbers weren't based on the real life car counterparts.

[QUOTE="RacerFMGT"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Did you not read my post? First off, I DO race, I've raced on tracks and on a drag strip, second, I gave a prime example, read the friggin post, carefully...

EDIT: Haha, he tried to delete his post. :lol:

2009 Lancer Ralliart with a bigger Turbo, better BOV, Boost Pill, ECU Flash. (Obviously, can't have alot of things on these new cars without a friggin ECU Flash...)

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[QUOTE="RacerFMGT"] i drag race too,so what kind of car you have.RacerFMGT

2009 Lancer Ralliart with a bigger Turbo, better BOV, Boost Pill, ECU Flash. (Obviously, can't have alot of things on these new cars without a friggin ECU Flash...)

What are you rolling in?

[QUOTE="RacerFMGT"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Yea, the GTR (Use to be the Skyline GTR) is a beast, expensive, but its pure awesomeness. :)

80 - 85k

[QUOTE="RacerFMGT"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

2009 Lancer Ralliart with a bigger Turbo, better BOV, Boost Pill, ECU Flash. (Obviously, can't have alot of things on these new cars without a friggin ECU Flash...)

What are you rolling in?

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="RacerFMGT"] how expensive,whats the price tag?RacerFMGT

80 - 85k

Funny you mention Fast & Furious, the blue Skyline in that movie, wasn't even a GTR, they got a Skyline GT-S and dressed it up to look like a GTR, they said not only was it cheaper, it was disrespectfull to crash such a legendary car, hence the line in the movie when Paul Walker drives down the hill, "Sorry car".

my goodness,now thats a car. i wish you lived in houston so we can race. :PRacerFMGT

What are you rolling in?

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="RacerFMGT"] my goodness,now thats a car. i wish you lived in houston so we can race. :PRacerFMGT

What are you rolling in?

It runs a 1/4 mile in the 9's? What do you have in that thing?

[QUOTE="RacerFMGT"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

80 - 85k

Funny you mention Fast & Furious, the blue Skyline in that movie, wasn't even a GTR, the got a Skyline GT-S and dressed it up to look like a GTR, they said not only was it cheaper, it was disrespectfull to crash such a legendary car, hence the line in the movie when Paul Walker drives down the hill, "Sorry car".

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="RacerFMGT"] good lord! thats expensive.thats like "fast and the furious" expensive. :PRacerFMGT

Funny you mention Fast & Furious, the blue Skyline in that movie, wasn't even a GTR, the got a Skyline GT-S and dressed it up to look like a GTR, they said not only was it cheaper, it was disrespectfull to crash such a legendary car, hence the line in the movie when Paul Walker drives down the hill, "Sorry car".

I'm talking about the one in the new movie.

nagidr I don't have any random numbers I can trow at you

But what I can give you is a video of GT5P actual driving vs real-life by a professional race driver...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1EEZe-Eqto&NR=1

so much for those numbers huh?

*edit*

I don't know if these are any simular videos like this of Forza done by professionals but if there are some please post them because I would like to see how those "calculations" you are talking about pan out when compaired against the real thing.

[QUOTE="RacerFMGT"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

What are you rolling in?

Nagidar

It runs a 1/4 mile in the 9's? What do you have in that thing?

nagidr I don't have any random numbers I can trow at youto

Butwhat I cangive youis a video of GT5P actual driving vs real-life by a professional race driver...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1EEZe-Eqto&NR=1

so much for those numbers huh?

playharderfool

That didn't really have anything to do with Racing Physics, thats more to do with Track Accuracy, the numbers I posted weren't "random", try again...

nagidr I don't have any random numbers I can trow at you

But what I can give you is a video of GT5P actual driving vs real-life by a professional race driver...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1EEZe-Eqto&NR=1

so much for those numbers huh?

*edit*

I don't know if these are any simular videos like this of Forza done by professionals but if there are some please post them because I would like to see how those "calculations" you are talking about pan out when compaired against the real thing.

playharderfool

Go back through the thread, I posted the video I was talking about....

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="RacerFMGT"] 93' Mustang GT,its really my dads car but we both race it at the strip.it runs in the high 9's so its a good race car. I'll post some pics of it later,RacerFMGT

It runs a 1/4 mile in the 9's? What do you have in that thing?

Wow, that is nice man. :)

[QUOTE="RacerFMGT"]

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

It runs a 1/4 mile in the 9's? What do you have in that thing?

Wow, that is nice man. :)

You just gave out some random numbers as your "evidence" that Foza 3 has better calculations than GT5 because the "numbers" of those calculations were close?

But what about the actual proformance in relationship to those numbers?

All I'm saying is that's a pretty weak argument for evidence that Foza has better physics/calculations than GT just because GT dosen't show them...and even if GT's numbers were shown if wouldn't make a real diffrence if those numbers weren't based on the real life car counterparts.

playharderfool

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

nagidr I don't have any random numbers I can trow at you

But what I can give you is a video of GT5P actual driving vs real-life by a professional race driver...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1EEZe-Eqto&NR=1

so much for those numbers huh?

*edit*

I don't know if these are any simular videos like this of Forza done by professionals but if there are some please post them because I would like to see how those "calculations" you are talking about pan out when compaired against the real thing.

playharderfool

Go back through the thread, I posted the video I was talking about....

I saw that video, it has NOTHING to do with Forza 3.

The spokesmen for the video weren't endorsing Forza 3 at all much less for how it compaires to the real life counterparts...you re-read what I wrote.

I said, "I don't know if there are any simular videos like thisof Forzadone by professionals but if there are some please post them"

Are you friggin kidding me? They ran ACTUAL physics tests, not a lap around a track, go upgrade an Evo x in F3 to the FQ 400's specs and see for yourself.

EDIT: And again, he deletes his post.

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

nagidr I don't have any random numbers I can trow at youto

Butwhat I cangive youis a video of GT5P actual driving vs real-life by a professional race driver...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1EEZe-Eqto&NR=1

so much for those numbers huh?

Nagidar

That didn't really have anything to do with Racing Physics, thats more to do with Track Accuracy, the numbers I posted weren't "random", try again...

I just dont know what to say to the highligted part...So even tho the cars are shown to handle almost identicle to the realife counter parts, itlol, and I quote,"don't really have ANYTHING to do with raching physics"?

I see now that you're arent basing this off of any factual basis at all its just your holy opinion? How in the world do you know that what was shown didn't have anything to do with racing physics? :shock: Did Polyphony tell you that? you've just come of with the most blatant dismissal of evidence I've seen of someone who's trying to tell other people to take his word at face value and you tell me to try again? I think not

Are you friggin kidding me? They ran ACTUAL physics tests, not a lap around a track, go upgrade an Evo x in F3 to the FQ 400's specs and see for yourself.

EDIT: And again, he deletes his post.

Nagidar

Ok guy both times I deleted my posts were to give YOU the benifit to the doubt. The first time The first time I read your comments about "calculations" I deleted my post because I saw to see the video you spoke about to see if it validated your claims.

I watched half of the vidoe and...well I should have just left my original comments up bacause I could see that it had nothing to do with forza 3.

The second time I deleted my post is because you kept refering to the video you posted as if there was some kind of evidence to validate forza 3's "calculations" so again I deleted my post because I DON'T WANT TO POST COMMENTS OUT OF IGNORANCE. But again...I should have just left my orginal comments are they were. I watched the entire 5:16 video and NOTHING was said in refrence to Forza 3 or the Forza fanchicse as a whole. You just drew a whole bunch of conclusions based off some numbers that might not mean anything in comparison to the real life counterparts.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Are you friggin kidding me? They ran ACTUAL physics tests, not a lap around a track, go upgrade an Evo x in F3 to the FQ 400's specs and see for yourself.

EDIT: And again, he deletes his post.

playharderfool

Ok guy both times I deleted my posts were to give YOU the benifit to the doubt. The first time The first time I read your comments about "calculations" I deleted my post because I saw to see the video you spoke about to see if it validated your claims.

I watched half of the vidoe and...well I should have just left my original comments up bacause I could see that it had nothing to do with forza 3.

The second time I deleted my post is because you kept refering to the video you posted as if there was some kind of evidence to validate forza 3's "calculations" so again I deleted my post because I DON'T WANT TO POST COMMENTS OUT OF IGNORANCE. But again...I should have just left my orginal comments are they were. I watched the entire 5:16 video and NOTHING was said in refrence to Forza 3 or the Forza fanchicse as a whole. You just drew a whole bunch of conclusions based off some numbers that might not mean anything in comparison to the real life counterparts.

WTF?? Seriously? Because it has nothing to do with Forza, when we're talking about REAL LIFE physics compared to Forza, that means it doesn't "count"? Are you serious? I gave a PRIME example of Forza 3's physics by comparing the Lateral G-Force of a FQ 400 in real life compared to the Evo X in Forza 3, upgraded to the FQ 400's specs and it hit almost the exact the same Lateral G-Force as its real life counterpart.

You can't be serious... :roll:

Nagidar, we are done talking now.

When people feel the need to resort to personal attacks to try to make a point you know it goes beyond just personal opinion.

BTW:

Those real life physics tests youkeep referring to would be a whole lot more impressive when discussing Forza 3 if the people in the video had, ya know...mentioned Forza.

You're just tring to mesh to unrelated things together to try to make one point, but in the same breath try to totally dismiss a professional race driver who actually dose endorces GT for it's realistic driving physics and handling mechanics, good job.

Nagidar, we are done talking now.

When people feel the need to resort to personal attacks to try to make a point you know it goes beyond just personal opinion.

BTW:

Those real life physics tests youkeep referring to would be a whole lot more impressive when discussing Forza 3 if the people in the video had, ya know...mentioned Forza.

You're just tring to mesh to unrelated things together to try to make one point, but in the same breath try to totally dismiss a professional race driver who actually dose endorces GT for it's realistic driving physics and handlingmechanics GG.

playharderfool

So, because they didn't "mention" Forza 3, that TOTALLY negates the fact that the Evo in the video, which tested Lateral G-Force, in REAL LIFE, hit almost the same Lateral G-Force as its Forza 3 counterpart?

Seriously, think about what you are saying.

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Are you friggin kidding me? They ran ACTUAL physics tests, not a lap around a track, go upgrade an Evo x in F3 to the FQ 400's specs and see for yourself.

EDIT: And again, he deletes his post.

Nagidar

Ok guy both times I deleted my posts were to give YOU the benifit to the doubt. The first time The first time I read your comments about "calculations" I deleted my post because I saw to see the video you spoke about to see if it validated your claims.

I watched half of the vidoe and...well I should have just left my original comments up bacause I could see that it had nothing to do with forza 3.

The second time I deleted my post is because you kept refering to the video you posted as if there was some kind of evidence to validate forza 3's "calculations" so again I deleted my post because I DON'T WANT TO POST COMMENTS OUT OF IGNORANCE. But again...I should have just left my orginal comments are they were. I watched the entire 5:16 video and NOTHING was said in refrence to Forza 3 or the Forza fanchicse as a whole. You just drew a whole bunch of conclusions based off some numbers that might not mean anything in comparison to the real life counterparts.

WTF?? Seriously? Because it has nothing to do with Forza, when we're talking about REAL LIFE physics compared to Forza, that means it doesn't "count"? Are you serious? I gave a PRIME example of Forza 3's physics by comparing the Lateral G-Force of a FQ 400 in real life compared to the Evo X in Forza 3, upgraded to the FQ 400's specs and it hit almost the exact the same Lateral G-Force as its real life counterpart.

You can't be serious... :roll:

When you find a video that establishies that you get back at me, until then your calims of calculations are as pointless as any other raching game out there that displays "calculations" that have no realistic connection to their real life counterparts

*note*

a random video of some guys testing G's on some cars are dose not = real life physics compared to forza.

Even if those numbers are simular they are meaningless unless you test the results of those numbers against real life and see how those results vary in comparison...YOU HAVE GIVIN PROFF OF NO SUCH VIDEO as I have said over and over again.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

Ok guy both times I deleted my posts were to give YOU the benifit to the doubt. The first time The first time I read your comments about "calculations" I deleted my post because I saw to see the video you spoke about to see if it validated your claims.

I watched half of the vidoe and...well I should have just left my original comments up bacause I could see that it had nothing to do with forza 3.

The second time I deleted my post is because you kept refering to the video you posted as if there was some kind of evidence to validate forza 3's "calculations" so again I deleted my post because I DON'T WANT TO POST COMMENTS OUT OF IGNORANCE. But again...I should have just left my orginal comments are they were. I watched the entire 5:16 video and NOTHING was said in refrence to Forza 3 or the Forza fanchicse as a whole. You just drew a whole bunch of conclusions based off some numbers that might not mean anything in comparison to the real life counterparts.

playharderfool

WTF?? Seriously? Because it has nothing to do with Forza, when we're talking about REAL LIFE physics compared to Forza, that means it doesn't "count"? Are you serious? I gave a PRIME example of Forza 3's physics by comparing the Lateral G-Force of a FQ 400 in real life compared to the Evo X in Forza 3, upgraded to the FQ 400's specs and it hit almost the exact the same Lateral G-Force as its real life counterpart.

You can't be serious... :roll:

When you find a video that establishies that you get back at me, until then your calims of calculations are as pointless as any other raching game out there that displays "calculations" that have no realistic

*note*

a random video of some guys testing G's on some cars are dose not = real life physics compared to forza.

Even if those numbers are simular they are meaningless unless you test the results of those numbers against real life and see how those results vary in comparison...YOU HAVE GIVIN PROFF OF NO SUCH VIDEO as I have said over and over again.

Oh wow, you can't be serious.... The Evo X in the video, REAL LIFE video, hit 1.61 on a Lateral G test, its Forza counterpart, hit 1.66, and you say thats not proof? Seriously? Go play Forza 3, upgrade a Evo X to the FQ 400's specs and test it yourself.

EDIT: Testing Lateral G's on a car is a REAL LIFE physics test, seriously dude, listen to yourself.

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

Nagidar, we are done talking now.

When people feel the need to resort to personal attacks to try to make a point you know it goes beyond just personal opinion.

BTW:

Those real life physics tests youkeep referring to would be a whole lot more impressive when discussing Forza 3 if the people in the video had, ya know...mentioned Forza.

You're just tring to mesh to unrelated things together to try to make one point, but in the same breath try to totally dismiss a professional race driver who actually dose endorces GT for it's realistic driving physics and handlingmechanics GG.

Nagidar

So, because they didn't "mention" Forza 3, that TOTALLY negates the fact that the Evo in the video, which tested Lateral G-Force, in REAL LIFE, hit almost the same Lateral G-Force as its Forza 3 counterpart?

Seriously, think about what you are saying.

Already had...

From my last post, "Even if those numbers are simular they are meaningless unless you test the results of those numbers against real life and see how those results vary in comparison"

Nagidar, we are done talking now.

When people feel the need to resort to personal attacks to try to make a point you know it goes beyond just personal opinion.

BTW:

Those real life physics tests youkeep referring to would be a whole lot more impressive when discussing Forza 3 if the people in the video had, ya know...mentioned Forza.

You're just tring to mesh to unrelated things together to try to make one point, but in the same breath try to totally dismiss a professional race driver who actually dose endorces GT for it's realistic driving physics and handling mechanics, good job.

playharderfool

The video you posted did not endorse GT, it was simply a clip of Felipe Massa describing his race, with a clip of a youtube users GT race on the same track edited along side of it. It's no different than what Nagidar said earlier taking an actual clip and comparing it to his own experiences, he just didn't edit a clip of himself into the youtube video, but he actually compared an element of physics instead of lap times.

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

Nagidar, we are done talking now.

When people feel the need to resort to personal attacks to try to make a point you know it goes beyond just personal opinion.

BTW:

Those real life physics tests youkeep referring to would be a whole lot more impressive when discussing Forza 3 if the people in the video had, ya know...mentioned Forza.

You're just tring to mesh to unrelated things together to try to make one point, but in the same breath try to totally dismiss a professional race driver who actually dose endorces GT for it's realistic driving physics and handling mechanics, good job.

opex07

The video you posted did not endorse GT, it was simply a clip of Felipe Massa describing his race, with a clip of a youtube users GT race on the same track edited along side of it. It's no different than what Nagidar said earlier taking an actual clip and comparing it to his own experiences, he just didn't edit a clip of himself into the youtube video, but he actually compared an element of physics instead of lap times.

Thank you, someone gets it. :D

Oh wow, you can't be serious.... The Evo X in the video, REAL LIFE video, hit 1.61 on a Lateral G test, its Forza counterpart, hit 1.66, and you say thats not proof? Seriously? Go play Forza 3, upgrade a Evo X to the FQ 400's specs and test it yourself.

EDIT: Testing Lateral G's on a car is a REAL LIFE physics test, seriously dude, listen to yourself.

Nagidar

:roll: Where did I say it wasn't?

Seriously stop trying to change the subject trying to undermine my intelligence while producing nothing to further your point about the "better calcualtions" you think are in forza.

I posted a video of a professional race drver (that means a better source for driving professional cars than you im sorry) driving his own car and Driving GT5p and is proud to show that the results for GT are almost exatly the same as in real life. turns / curvs / speed / shifts / breaks etc, ALL of that has an impacted on by the physics engine...You asked me if I even know what driving physics were, do you?

you can say what ever you want from here on out but until you can produce a simular video for Forza that compaires and contrasts how it'scars handle in comparison to real life likeI've shown for GT5"p":? like Isaid GT dosen't show it's calcultions so how do you know Forza's are better?

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Oh wow, you can't be serious.... The Evo X in the video, REAL LIFE video, hit 1.61 on a Lateral G test, its Forza counterpart, hit 1.66, and you say thats not proof? Seriously? Go play Forza 3, upgrade a Evo X to the FQ 400's specs and test it yourself.

EDIT: Testing Lateral G's on a car is a REAL LIFE physics test, seriously dude, listen to yourself.

playharderfool

:roll: Where did I say it wasn't?

Seriously stop trying to change the subject trying to undermine my intelligence while producing nothing to further your point about the "better calcualtions" you think are in forza.

I posted a video of a professional race drver (that means a better source fordriving professional cars than you im sorry) driving his own car and Driving GT5p and is proud to show that the results for GT are almostthe same as in real life. turns / curvs / speed / shifts/breaksetc, ALL of that has an impacted on by the physics engine...You asked me if I even know what driving physics were, do you?

you can say what ever you want from here on out but until you can produce a simular video for Forza that compaires and contrasts how it'scars handle in comparison to real life likeI've shown for GT5"p":? like Isaid GT dosen't show it's calcultions so how do you know Forza's are better?

No, actual PHYSICS test are what really shows a cars physics, not a lap time, like I said earlier, many times, go test it for yourself, upgrade an Evo X in Forza 3 and test it yourself.

GT5>f3

GT5>f3

ksko

Quite an arguement you have there, totally indisputable...

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I posted a video of a professional race drver (that means a better source for driving professional cars than you im sorry) driving his own car and Driving GT5p

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playharderfool

No, look at the video's description:

"Thats a little comparison between me, and Felipe Massa. The shown lap of massa is from 2006..."

Its some one else playing GT5P, who has edited his race along side Felipe's real life race.

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

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I posted a video of a professional race drver (that means a better source for driving professional cars than you im sorry) driving his own car and Driving GT5p

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opex07

No, look at the video's description:

"Thats a little comparison between me, and Felipe Massa. The shown lap of massa is from 2006..."

Its some one else playing GT5P, who has edited his race along side Felipe's real life race.

I honestly believe he is confused between testing a vehicles physical limits and lap times....

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

Nagidar, we are done talking now.

When people feel the need to resort to personal attacks to try to make a point you know it goes beyond just personal opinion.

BTW:

Those real life physics tests youkeep referring to would be a whole lot more impressive when discussing Forza 3 if the people in the video had, ya know...mentioned Forza.

You're just tring to mesh to unrelated things together to try to make one point, but in the same breath try to totally dismiss a professional race driver who actually dose endorces GT for it's realistic driving physics and handling mechanics, good job.

opex07

The video you posted did not endorse GT, it was simply a clip of Felipe Massa describing his race, with a clip of a youtube users GT race on the same track edited along side of it. It's no different than what Nagidar said earlier taking an actual clip and comparing it to his own experiences, he just didn't edit a clip of himself into the youtube video, but he actually compared an element of physics instead of lap times.

So you think the only thing that video dispayled was lap time? I didn't even need a video to show that I could justthrow out numbers likeNagider is doing. Andyet you think he's compairing elements of physics...with NO VIDEO TO COMPARISON AT ALL? OK

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Nagidar, we are done talking now.

When people feel the need to resort to personal attacks to try to make a point you know it goes beyond just personal opinion.

BTW:

Those real life physics tests youkeep referring to would be a whole lot more impressive when discussing Forza 3 if the people in the video had, ya know...mentioned Forza.

You're just tring to mesh to unrelated things together to try to make one point, but in the same breath try to totally dismiss a professional race driver who actually dose endorces GT for it's realistic driving physics and handling mechanics, good job.

playharderfool

The video you posted did not endorse GT, it was simply a clip of Felipe Massa describing his race, with a clip of a youtube users GT race on the same track edited along side of it. It's no different than what Nagidar said earlier taking an actual clip and comparing it to his own experiences, he just didn't edit a clip of himself into the youtube video, but he actually compared an element of physics instead of lap times.

So you think the only thing that video dispaled was lap time? but yet you think he's compairing elements of physics...with NO VIDEO TO SHOW THE COMPARISON? OK

DUDE! GO TEST IT! How hard is this? Testing Lateral G-Force on a vehice is a test of the vehicles physical capabilities, hence the word "physics".