Forza 5 high fidelity 1080p / 60fps vs Drive Club subpar fidelity + framerate

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

People should drop it the PS4 is more powerful period and a few launch games been ahead in development will not change that,nothing on xbox one comes close to Infamous on PS4,the game is basically CG like,Ryse is the closes and is not open world and is QTE based all the damn way.

When i see something as impressive as Infamous on xbox one then i talk,hell i saw COD ghost on xbox one and it look like sh** the game looks little better than this gen games,so either he game sucks cross platforms incuding PC or the xbox one version wow is horrible.

SecretPolice

Everybody knew in 2006 that PS3 would blow 360 out of the water on the day it launched since who could argue, on paper, PS3 > 360 but tad-ah, 360 held up quite nicely and in many cases exceeded PS3. :shock: :P

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

People should drop it the PS4 is more powerful period and a few launch games been ahead in development will not change that,nothing on xbox one comes close to Infamous on PS4,the game is basically CG like,Ryse is the closes and is not open world and is QTE based all the damn way.

When i see something as impressive as Infamous on xbox one then i talk,hell i saw COD ghost on xbox one and it look like sh** the game looks little better than this gen games,so either he game sucks cross platforms incuding PC or the xbox one version wow is horrible.

sts106mat

http://www.videogamer.com/news/xbox_one_and_ps4_have_no_advantage_over_the_other_says_redlynx.html

Speaking to VideoGamer.com at E3, Ilvessuo said: " Obviously we have been developing this game for a while and you can see the comparisons. I would say if you know how to use the platform they are both very powerful. I don't see a benefit over the other with any of the consoles."

http://www.videogamer.com/xboxone/metal_gear_solid_5_the_phantom_pain/news/ps4_and_xbox_one_power_difference_is_minimal_says_kojima.html

"The difference is small, and I don't really need to worry about it," he said, suggesting versions for Xbox One and PS4 won't be dramatically different.

On paper(or VGleaks), PS4's hardware is slightly faster than X1, but you have to factor in the humans that programs the hardware.

In relation to commercial level AMD GPU experience, Sony has about 7 year deficit compared Turn10.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

People should drop it the PS4 is more powerful period and a few launch games been ahead in development will not change that,nothing on xbox one comes close to Infamous on PS4,the game is basically CG like,Ryse is the closes and is not open world and is QTE based all the damn way.

When i see something as impressive as Infamous on xbox one then i talk,hell i saw COD ghost on xbox one and it look like sh** the game looks little better than this gen games,so either he game sucks cross platforms incuding PC or the xbox one version wow is horrible.

sts106mat

Everybody knew in 2006 that PS3 would blow 360 out of the water on the day it launched since who could argue, on paper, PS3 > 360 but tad-ah, 360 held up quite nicely and in many cases exceeded PS3. :shock: :P

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Ya mean like 2006 and PS3 > 360 :shock: yeah, check the muliplats for proof :P

Not to mention, Halo 4, console king baby. :cool:

casharmy

Killzone 3, GOW, Uncharted all look better than anything on 360.

Lems are the only ones who self proclaim their games to have the best graphics.  PlayStation fans have Unbiased professionals in the industry who make those claims for PS3.  

They believe in cloud, game sharing w 10 ppl, etc lol

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

People should drop it the PS4 is more powerful period and a few launch games been ahead in development will not change that,nothing on xbox one comes close to Infamous on PS4,the game is basically CG like,Ryse is the closes and is not open world and is QTE based all the damn way.

When i see something as impressive as Infamous on xbox one then i talk,hell i saw COD ghost on xbox one and it look like sh** the game looks little better than this gen games,so either he game sucks cross platforms incuding PC or the xbox one version wow is horrible.

Chutebox

Everybody knew in 2006 that PS3 would blow 360 out of the water on the day it launched since who could argue, on paper, PS3 > 360 but tad-ah, 360 held up quite nicely and in many cases exceeded PS3. :shock: :P

Sorry pal, ya know me, I just had to to it. :P

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

I actually remember DF saying sony was brave enough to have the actual console running there, which lead me to believe MS had dev kits(which is still fine).

Chutebox

Not with Forza 5 they didn't.

And yes, there were some games that were - categorically, without a shadow of a doubt - running on Xbox One hardware. It'll come as little surprise to learn that first party software was more likely to be showcased running on the new console, with Turn 10's Forza Motorsport 5 the most high profile title we saw that was visibly operating on the actual unit. Digital Foundry

Considering how impressed Digital Foundary was: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-xbox-one I'd say its a good start for first gen -next gen games :)shawn30

With some games while not with all like it is the case of DR3 which was running like at 15FPS is says nothing just that the game is to early on development,much like Drive club is.

[QUOTE="shawn30"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Nothing to be proud of.

Chutebox

Yes and no

"with extreme compression clearly evident on the smoke billowing in the distance, among other darker details. It looks very unlike a CryEngine game at this point, and possibly indicates the use of pre-rendered footage to cover this scene. It may be very low resolution alpha transparency, but poorly encoded video seems like the more viable scenario. This surprises us bearing in mind that there's plenty of capacity on the Blu-ray disc for non-nerfed video encoding.....There is a little chugging during the opening beach sequence, but it clears up during the second section on higher ground. "

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"] Kojima said the difference in power is minimal. He's a PlayStation-centric developer. CanYouDiglt

Digital Foundry can confirm 3 games on the X1 that are running with 60 fps 1080p and using the X1 hardware.

Hmm maybe that power difference will not be as big as you are hoping huh?

Drivew Club stated on their demo that it was at 35% complete at this stage. and forza 5 showed off just 1 track and 4 cars it's very easy to show off a 1080p demo running at 60fps on a high end pc, i've know doubt it will be good, and i have no doubt drive club will look amazing it's way way to early to say who has the better graphics most games aren't even near completion

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="shawn30"] Considering how impressed Digital Foundary was: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-xbox-one I'd say its a good start for first gen -next gen games :)shawn30

Yes and no

"with extreme compression clearly evident on the smoke billowing in the distance, among other darker details. It looks very unlike a CryEngine game at this point, and possibly indicates the use of pre-rendered footage to cover this scene. It may be very low resolution alpha transparency, but poorly encoded video seems like the more viable scenario. This surprises us bearing in mind that there's plenty of capacity on the Blu-ray disc for non-nerfed video encoding.....There is a little chugging during the opening beach sequence, but it clears up during the second section on higher ground. "

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Verne Verne, when will you guys learn?

Everybody knew in 2006 that PS3 would blow 360 out of the water on the day it launched since who could argue, on paper, PS3 > 360 but tad-ah, 360 held up quite nicely and in many cases exceeded PS3. :shock: :P

SecretPolice

Sorry pal, ya know me, I just had to to it. :P

I have no clue what that mean, bud lol

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]
Specs don't lie, PS4 is alot more powerful

bezza2011

Digital Foundry can confirm 3 games on the X1 that are running with 60 fps 1080p and using the X1 hardware.

Hmm maybe that power difference will not be as big as you are hoping huh?

Drivew Club stated on their demo that it was at 35% complete at this stage. and forza 5 showed off just 1 track and 4 cars it's very easy to show off a 1080p demo running at 60fps on a high end pc, i've know doubt it will be good, and i have no doubt drive club will look amazing it's way way to early to say who has the better graphics most games aren't even near completion

Forza 5 GOTY :)

PS4 is not more powerfull period, if it was, we'd have seen evidence of that, however, according to digital foundry, the games running on xboxone hardware are fairing better that the PS4 ones. whilst I accept that PS4 look more powerfull on paper, the real world evidence doesn't back that up. we need to wait and see. still i am more interested in games shown and neither manufacturer has any MUST BUY games yet in my opinion. the titles that interest me the most are on both machines. At the moment, my decision will probably come down to which controller i prefer the feel of.sts106mat

That is because the games on xbox one are further in development dude,Drive Club is 35% complete WTF and is been compare to almost a final version of Forza 5,which by the way has no dynamic lighting is baked,and has not day to night dynamic changes either.

Nothing on xbox one is CG like,like Infamous is,since you want to hold on tied to DF opinion...

You decision is already make dude you are a die herd lemming with no intention of buying a PS4 just like,you used pathetic excuses to justify not owning a PS3.

WoW casharmy is having a full blown meltdown. CanYouDiglt

A bit of common sense...if forza 5 (the most impressive looking game in the entire MS line up) was capable of being rendered at that level all from xbone hardware, why was there a need to hide and lie about other games confirmed to be running on completely different hardware architecture on PC?  

poor drive club looks like a last gen game even when it's running at 20fps.  i gues i'll go with Forza 5, only on Microsoft Xbox One. 

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]WoW casharmy is having a full blown meltdown. sts106mat

whats the deal cash?

poor drive club looks like a last gen game even when it's running at 20fps.  i gues i'll go with Forza 5, only on Microsoft Xbox One. 

KarateeeChop

Its impressive that no one even mentiones that DC is in the Pre Alpha STage and is only 35% finished. Thats what was written on the E3 Booth Demo and said by the Devs...

 

they even said that they are targeting 60 FPS

IDuB7

LOL cow are in damage control theyr drive club look like shite

"DriveClub is presented at 1080p, but the high resolution only serves to amplify the somewhat flat-looking textures which look somewhat current-gen right now."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-next-gen-joypads-a-true-evolution

Looking like the hardcore Lems balls have dropped since MS reversed their DRM/Used game policy eh?

I am sure that MS will pull a MS and make them go all timid and go into hiding again like they were for the past few weeks. We can only hope.

Now if we could just get the hardcore Cows to shutup and stop embarrassing 'normal' Sony fans around here, things could actually be a bit peaceful.

Back OT: Might have most to do with the fact that Turn 10 really has a top-notch team with plenty of experience in the genre working on Forza 5. But to act like the Xbone has some sort of superior hardware to what the PS4 offers due to 1 game? C'mon now, lets not get ahead of ourselves ;)

[QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]

Of course I'm happy that Forza is looking and performing well this early in the development, but just wondering how come Drive Club (according to DF report) is struggling to achieve such fidielity & smoothness when PS4 is supposed to be the more powerful console.

Kinthalis

Forza was being shown runing on PC, that's why. Some PS4 games were also being shown on PC, but others were running on dev kits. So they are probably more representative of what you'll get on "next gen" consoles. The only thing the Xbox demo's show is how a  gmaing PC would run those games.

LOL cow are in damage control theyr drive club look like shite

"DriveClub is presented at 1080p, but the high resolution only serves to amplify the somewhat flat-looking textures which look somewhat current-gen right now."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-next-gen-joypads-a-true-evolution

nyzma23

DR3 looks last gen, titan fall looks last gen, crimson skies looks gameboy advanced, etc. Its called "IN DEVELOPMENT"

Its some flimsy shit to claim ownage over. But I guess when you got nothing else, anything matters lol.

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

poor drive club looks like a last gen game even when it's running at 20fps.  i gues i'll go with Forza 5, only on Microsoft Xbox One. 

Douevenlift_bro

earlier today i was thinking about picking up a ps4 for drive club. now thanks to DF for exposing sony's lies, i'll pick up Forza 5 instead. only on Microsoft Xbox One. 

[QUOTE="nyzma23"]

LOL cow are in damage control theyr drive club look like shite

"DriveClub is presented at 1080p, but the high resolution only serves to amplify the somewhat flat-looking textures which look somewhat current-gen right now."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-next-gen-joypads-a-true-evolution

Douevenlift_bro

DR3 looks last gen, titan fall looks last gen, crimson skies looks gameboy advanced, etc. Its called "IN DEVELOPMENT"

Its some flimsy shit to claim ownage over. But I guess when you got nothing else, anything matters lol.

:lol: from the guy that was comparing driveclub to Forza a few weeks ago lol lol lol

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]

Of course I'm happy that Forza is looking and performing well this early in the development, but just wondering how come Drive Club (according to DF report) is struggling to achieve such fidielity & smoothness when PS4 is supposed to be the more powerful console.

blackace

Something about resolution not being that important

Forza was being shown runing on PC, that's why. Some PS4 games were also being shown on PC, but others were running on dev kits. So they are probably more representative of what you'll get on "next gen" consoles. The only thing the Xbox demo's show is how a  gmaing PC would run those games.

It was like some kind of disclaimer saying something about resolution not being that important.  

I also remember when Alan Wake was supposed to be 720p.  MS never even announced it, the tech sights had to uncover the fact that the game was sub-HD.

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]WoW casharmy is having a full blown meltdown. casharmy

A bit of common sense...if forza 5 (the most impressive looking game in the entire MS line up) was capable of being rendered at that level all from xbone hardware, why was there a need to hide and lie about other games confirmed to be running on completely different hardware architecture on PC?

guy was loving driveclub feb 20th :lol: :roll:

 

http://www.videogamer.com/news/xbox_one_and_ps4_have_no_advantage_over_the_other_says_redlynx.html

Speaking to VideoGamer.com at E3, Ilvessuo said: " Obviously we have been developing this game for a while and you can see the comparisons. I would say if you know how to use the platform they are both very powerful. I don't see a benefit over the other with any of the consoles."

 

http://www.videogamer.com/xboxone/metal_gear_solid_5_the_phantom_pain/news/ps4_and_xbox_one_power_difference_is_minimal_says_kojima.html

"The difference is small, and I don't really need to worry about it," he said, suggesting versions for Xbox One and PS4 won't be dramatically different.

 

 

 

On paper(or VGleaks), PS4's hardware is slightly faster than X1, but you have to factor in the humans that programs the hardware.

In relation to commercial level AMD GPU experience, Sony has about 7 year deficit compared Turn10.

ronvalencia

This is why i consider you a joke of a poster..

You bias toward the damn xbox is so high that you want to pretend that there is not fu**ing difference between a 1.2TF GPU vs a 1,.84,you want to pretend that having 32MB of ESRAM will actually totally compensate for the lack of bandwidth of DDR3 vs GDDR5,i wonder if that is right why GPU didn't stay with DDR3 and used ESRAM to bring the performance to GDDR5 levels...

You are quoting developer which will not take a side,few developers if any takes side unless they are buthurt with companies or are first party or been pay,like Respown is by MS,which is why they go around screaming unlimited cloud power,when we all know it total bullsh**.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=536

This ^^ is the reality you choose to ignore there is a difference in power period and it will be use sooner rather than latter,the generation hasn't even started yet,and already Forza 5 is using baked lighting,while at the same time is been use as poster child of the xbox one,wonder why not use 3rd person or first person shooter,since those engines require more power to show pretier graphics.

But is funny because the same power use to run BF3 at 30 FPS on the 7770 at 1920x1200 will make Dirt 3 runs at almost 60 FPS on that same resolution.

Deny it all you want and change the GPU again like you have do 3 times already on the xbox one,fact is that it has lower specs than the PS4 and MS knows it,when both hardware get push the xbox one will fall behind.

I can't play or see specs on my TV screen ingame. I can only play and watch video of the games. Whatever the specs show, and I agree that on paper the PS4 is more powerful, this power has not manifested itself in any PS4 game shown thus far.shawn30

See infamous for more details..

Drive Club always looked pretty mediocre to me, no way its gonna be even near the quality of Forza 5, Turn 10 are just better developers

[QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]

Of course I'm happy that Forza is looking and performing well this early in the development, but just wondering how come Drive Club (according to DF report) is struggling to achieve such fidielity & smoothness when PS4 is supposed to be the more powerful console.

Kinthalis

Forza was being shown runing on PC, that's why. Some PS4 games were also being shown on PC, but others were running on dev kits. So they are probably more representative of what you'll get on "next gen" consoles. The only thing the Xbox demo's show is how a  gmaing PC would run those games.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]WoW casharmy is having a full blown meltdown. Mr720fan

A bit of common sense...if forza 5 (the most impressive looking game in the entire MS line up) was capable of being rendered at that level all from xbone hardware, why was there a need to hide and lie about other games confirmed to be running on completely different hardware architecture on PC?

guy was loving driveclub feb 20th :lol: :roll:

[QUOTE="nyzma23"]

LOL cow are in damage control theyr drive club look like shite

"DriveClub is presented at 1080p, but the high resolution only serves to amplify the somewhat flat-looking textures which look somewhat current-gen right now."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-next-gen-joypads-a-true-evolution

Douevenlift_bro

DR3 looks last gen, titan fall looks last gen, crimson skies looks gameboy advanced, etc. Its called "IN DEVELOPMENT"

Its some flimsy shit to claim ownage over. But I guess when you got nothing else, anything matters lol.

Verne Verne, when will you guys learn?

Everybody knew in 2006 that PS3 would blow 360 out of the water on the day it launched since who could argue, on paper, PS3 > 360 but tad-ah, 360 held up quite nicely and in many cases exceeded PS3. :shock: :P

SecretPolice

Yeah if you went by both sony and MS made up spec.

MS claimed the xbox 360 was 1TF which is a joke the xbox one is 1.2,and sony claim 2TF which is more of a joke the PS4 is 1.84.

Both companies lied about spec last gen,and it was MS who started on may 12 2005 when the PS3 spec were unknow by the way.

The PS3 has a stronger CPU and MS a stronger GPU,and don't act like MS did not try to pass the xbox 360 as more powerful since launch,want me to quote Major Nelson pretty charts on preformance difference between the PS3 and xbox 360.?

They basically even claim that their Xenon was more powerful than Cell..:lol:

Aint DriveClub an open world racing game and Forza 5 a small track racing game? Maybe thats why but last i heard is DriveClub devs will push for 60fps for final version. These are just launch games so people need to chill out, they will look really good but very bad vs second gen games.

[QUOTE="sts106mat"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]you are pretty stupid dude.  Why don't you read what I quoted before making yourself look like even more of an idiot that we all know you to be.

casharmy

One may need to repeat DF's statement multiple times i.e. Sony's guerrilla marketing is working overtime.ronvalencia

Yeah and that same DF that found Infamous to be impressive and CG like..:lol:

But i guess you people read only what you like..

Forza is a damn racing game is not even impressive by graphics standards,want to impress me make a 3rd or first person shooter that does,because as of now Tittalfall look averages so does COD ghost running on xbox one,and BF4 was not running on xbox one but on PC admited by EA.

WOWZERS, cows are not taking this news very well :shock:

Ya I am not buying that only 35% done crap. PS4 and the exclusive game Drive Club release in 4 months and they only have a 35% demo ready, bullcrap. They do not even have 4 months to fix it since they have to have the final touches done, all the licensing finished, printed on blu-rays, and shipped around the world. I am not saying that demo was end product but it sure as heck is not only 35%.CanYouDiglt

Yeah but you believe what ever crap that comes from MS.:lol:

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

http://www.videogamer.com/news/xbox_one_and_ps4_have_no_advantage_over_the_other_says_redlynx.html

Speaking to VideoGamer.com at E3, Ilvessuo said: " Obviously we have been developing this game for a while and you can see the comparisons. I would say if you know how to use the platform they are both very powerful. I don't see a benefit over the other with any of the consoles."

http://www.videogamer.com/xboxone/metal_gear_solid_5_the_phantom_pain/news/ps4_and_xbox_one_power_difference_is_minimal_says_kojima.html

"The difference is small, and I don't really need to worry about it," he said, suggesting versions for Xbox One and PS4 won't be dramatically different.

On paper(or VGleaks), PS4's hardware is slightly faster than X1, but you have to factor in the humans that programs the hardware.

In relation to commercial level AMD GPU experience, Sony has about 7 year deficit compared Turn10.

tormentos

This is why i consider you a joke of a poster..

You bias toward the damn xbox is so high that you want to pretend that there is not fu**ing difference between a 1.2TF GPU vs a 1,.84,you want to pretend that having 32MB of ESRAM will actually totally compensate for the lack of bandwidth of DDR3 vs GDDR5,i wonder if that is right why GPU didn't stay with DDR3 and used ESRAM to bring the performance to GDDR5 levels...

You are quoting developer which will not take a side,few developers if any takes side unless they are buthurt with companies or are first party or been pay,like Respown is by MS,which is why they go around screaming unlimited cloud power,when we all know it total bullsh**.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=536

This ^^ is the reality you choose to ignore there is a difference in power period and it will be use sooner rather than latter,the generation hasn't even started yet,and already Forza 5 is using baked lighting,while at the same time is been use as poster child of the xbox one,wonder why not use 3rd person or first person shooter,since those engines require more power to show pretier graphics.

But is funny because the same power use to run BF3 at 30 FPS on the 7770 at 1920x1200 will make Dirt 3 runs at almost 60 FPS on that same resolution.

Deny it all you want and change the GPU again like you have do 3 times already on the xbox one,fact is that it has lower specs than the PS4 and MS knows it,when both hardware get push the xbox one will fall behind.

This is why i consider you a joke of a poster..

bias toward the damn Sony is so high that you want to pretend that there is fu**ing large difference with effective performance between a 1.228 TF GPU vs a 1.84. With GPUs, FLOP by themselves are useless.

Effective DDR3 vs GDDR5 performance according to AMD http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/gddr5/Pages/gddr5.aspx You DON'T get linear improvements with theoretical 2X bandwidth.

MS would need to close the above gap and X1's has JIT LZ+JPEG hardware decompression/compression and low latency SRAM (zero refresh overheads).

Anyone a with brain would know that you can't use the standard DDR3 vs GDDR5 comparison. One could calculate the effective bandwidth with the known LZ compression ratios.

Effective performance for Low latency DRAM + DDR3 setup according to Intel.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/3

Intel claims that it would take a 100 - 130GB/s GDDR memory interface to deliver similar effective performance to Crystalwell since the latter is a cache. Accessing the same data (e.g. texture reads) over and over again is greatly benefitted by having a large L4 cache on package.

Sorry, I'm not X1 fanboy... You got the wrong camp.

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http://www.videogamer.com/news/xbox_one_and_ps4_have_no_advantage_over_the_other_says_redlynx.html

Speaking to VideoGamer.com at E3, Ilvessuo said: " Obviously we have been developing this game for a while and you can see the comparisons. I would say if you know how to use the platform they are both very powerful. I don't see a benefit over the other with any of the consoles."

http://www.videogamer.com/xboxone/metal_gear_solid_5_the_phantom_pain/news/ps4_and_xbox_one_power_difference_is_minimal_says_kojima.html

"The difference is small, and I don't really need to worry about it," he said, suggesting versions for Xbox One and PS4 won't be dramatically different.

Deny it all you want when the above statements indicates minor differences. Your claims on my bias with X1 is a joke. I don't plan to buy an X1.

Btw, I have used 7770's Dirt 3 results to debunked Cow's F5 being just F4 at 1080p/60fps claims. Dirt 3 DX11 at ultra details has improved textures and shader programs.

As for "and change the GPU again like you have do 3 times already on the xbox on", again

1. I have attached a large caveat with AMD VI and it's linked to 20 nm being on-line within a given time.

2. Dual APU was based from http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2405922,00.asp

3. You can F**koff on fanboy wars.